Hate Watching Little Brother: Hoobastank Can't Save You Now!

A comedy can survive bad taste, broad jokes, even a ridiculous set piece, but it can’t survive refusing to commit. We kick things off with a very real spiral about money and sustainability, then take a hard left into a bigger fear that’s creeping into entertainment: AI likeness, synthetic commercials, and what happens when consent becomes optional. That thread sets up the core question we keep coming back to: in a world flooded with content, why does so much of it feel weightless?

Then we get into our main event: Netflix’s Little Brother with John Cena and Eric Andre. The cast is game, the premise has solid bones, and the movie still dodges the one thing it needs most, clear stakes. We talk through the scenes that almost work, the moments that collapse under “reset button” writing, and why a redemption arc can’t land if the story won’t let anyone be truly wrong. Along the way we revisit a rule we’ll scream forever: a reference is not a joke.

To close, we unpack the confusion around Louis C.K.’s new Netflix special and what his return says about comedy culture, platforms, and the ways people justify watching. If you’re thinking about comedy writing, streaming movies, AI in filmmaking, and the ethics of fandom, this one gives you plenty to argue about. Subscribe, share this with a friend who loves movie debates, and leave us a review with the worst comedy trope you’re sick of seeing.

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Transcript

Money Anxiety And Overthinking

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Then I was walking the dog and I was thinking about how do I make enough money to live? And and it doesn't make any sense. So I I'm not gonna think about it a lot more.

SPEAKER_04 0:08

Oh yeah. You know what? Don't overthink it. If it's working, just leave it alone. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 0:13

These numbers, I don't know how those numbers are sustainable.

SPEAKER_04 0:16

These numbers don't add up. I don't know what's going on. Ignore it. It's gonna be fine.

SPEAKER_02 0:20

I don't see how this is ever gonna last.

AI Likeness Fears And Consent

SPEAKER_03 0:35

Welcome to Hate Watching with Dan and Tony. I'm Dan and I'm in trouble.

SPEAKER_04 0:40

I'm Tony, and uh he is, folks, he is in trouble. He's done some bad things. I've done bad things in my life.

SPEAKER_03 0:47

On this show, we watch movies. Sometimes we watch movies that even we haven't heard of.

SPEAKER_04 0:54

That's true. That's true. I mean, you know, because we let other people decide sometimes, and it's a treat. They put out Eddie Murphy movies, they put out all these movies and nobody knows they come out. No. Well, some people might. Eddie knows, right? Eddie would know. Well, he might. What if now we're gonna get what if people start just releasing AI movies? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 1:17

We're in trouble. What do you mean if they start what if what does that mean? What if they start releasing nothing's going to happen? So I'm watching, let me hold on. You know what? Here's the point. You're not in my head. Hold on. I think my quick my quick point. They're releasing Eddie Murphy movies and nobody knows or cares. Releasing if they released a thousand AI movies tomorrow, no one would know. No one would care.

SPEAKER_04 1:44

That's true. Let me ask you a question. Have you seen these? This is where this is sparking from, by the way, because you're not you're not understanding what I'm saying, Dan, because you're not inside Monogan. I need you to read my mind. Um so have you seen these iced tea commercials, the person iced tea? I don't think so. Where he's like, it's like some sort of law commercial, but I am convinced that he's not there. I'm convinced these are AI commercials using his likeness. Sure. I assume with his blessing, that's fine. Yeah, you gotta pay him. Yeah, but it's weird. And I was just thinking, like, what if people just start releasing things without the people's consent, you know? Well, if it's iced tea, he's going to sue them out of existence. And he's gonna win instantly. But I wouldn't win, you know what I mean? Well, not that people are using my likeness, but they could. Why would they? Because I'm delightful to look at, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 2:42

See, the the we've reached this the whole idea long time ago when I started in this business.

SPEAKER_04 2:48

Long, long time ago.

SPEAKER_03 2:50

You'd always meet these people, you'd be like, What's your idea? And they'd be like, I can't tell you my idea, it's such a good idea. And then at a certain point, you learn that an idea is only good if it is executed and executed well.

SPEAKER_04 3:03

That's true. People steal my ideas all the time.

SPEAKER_03 3:07

I mean, you have an idea and then someone does the same thing. Correct.

SPEAKER_04 3:11

Yeah, yeah. They steal it, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:12

Yeah. So they do your idea, do they make lots of money and become successful?

SPEAKER_04 3:16

They make they make a lot of money, but I would they generally don't do them well. You know what I'm saying? Bothers me.

SPEAKER_03 3:23

Well, that means that you should be creating because if you're actually having the same good ideas that other people are having and you can do them better, then that's what you should be doing.

SPEAKER_04 3:30

I tried to create, people didn't want it. So I was like, you bet. I understood, I'm gonna sit back, but sometimes things will come out and be like, uh, my

Ideas Versus Execution In Hollywood

SPEAKER_04 3:40

idea was way better than that. We should have done my idea, guys. I'll send it to you.

SPEAKER_03 3:45

I was watching Danny McBride, I did uh listen to a Danny McBride interview, and he just put out a weird book. He wrote a book of short stories, which sounds interesting. Oh, okay. But he was talking about them making their foot fist movie. His first movie. He's like, we came out to Hollywood in 1999, and we were here for six years, and then we were like, you know what we should do? We should go home and spend $17,000, make our movie, bring our movie out to a festival, brought the movie out to a festival, got signed by Adam McKay and Will Farrell, and like within a year he said he was in Hot Rod, he was in Tropic Thunder, and they'd shot two bangers. They'd shot the the pilot for Eastbound and Down within uh one within like about 12 months or a little more, it seemed like that's a good fucking year, right there. Wow. What he did was he got on the right people's radar, and then it happened for him. And it's been happening since, and he's very funny. He's he's the funniest person in all the movies that he shows up in, you know, and all those cameos. He is the best person in them.

SPEAKER_04 4:56

Sure. In the cameo, I mean, we've had this discussion before. In small doses, he's wonderful. When he is the lead, I can't handle it. It's too much. I just I'm out. Well, whatever. It's fine. Yeah, it's fine. It's fine. It's not a bet, it's not like I don't like him. I just I can only take him in small doses.

SPEAKER_03 5:14

Yeah, but uh, point being is you gotta be you gotta do your work, then you gotta be in the right place at the right time, and then you gotta get the right break, and then you can ascend. Yeah, this AI stuff, nothing's gonna happen for any of these people because they're never gonna be in the right, you know, they're never gonna be in the right place, they're never gonna be at the right time. Well, one person will. There'll be one person who will be like, I can I but and who's who's it gonna be?

SPEAKER_04 5:38

That's the question, Dan. We're all gonna try.

SPEAKER_03 5:41

Well, I sit here and I think, yeah, um, you look at all the strategies that the AI people make, they're all wrong. And you're like, if someone was intelligent and sat down and and created a strategy, but it's like I can't do that. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna try to do that. I can't it's too much. I can't do that. Well, it just would be it would be a Pyrrhic victory. You'd just be like, uh, you know, it might be you might make lots of money, maybe, but if you were the person who who who who brought in actual AI filmmaking, you'd be hated for forever. Forever.

SPEAKER_04 6:13

Yeah, but you said I have money, right? So I'm gonna take money over being liked any day of the week.

SPEAKER_03 6:20

But I do think that there's gonna be a couple of smart people that are gonna sit down, figure out some plan of attack, just like what's going on now is these horror movies, right? Someone is gonna make a good horror movie with AI, and they're gonna do it right, and it's gonna make a lot of money.

SPEAKER_04 6:38

Yeah, maybe. Maybe. Not maybe I'm not gonna see it. I'm not gonna see it is all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 6:43

Well that but you will see it.

SPEAKER_04 6:44

You of cour you of all people will see it. I will I refuse. You'll see it. All right. I don't even like it follows, so listen, I'm not gonna fall for this crap.

SPEAKER_03 6:53

It'll be on the streamers and you'll watch it, and you'll be like, fuck, that guy he's Oh, it's free?

SPEAKER_04 6:58

Yeah, no, I'll watch it on streaming. You're right. Absolutely. Good point.

SPEAKER_03 7:03

You know, and that's that's the thing I'm gonna be talking about at the end of the show is Louis C.K. He has his new Netflix special.

SPEAKER_04 7:10

Saw that. A little confused. Oh, we'll talk about it. I'm a little confused. Oh put a pin in that. I'm glad you brought it up because I asked Naomi about it last night and she's like, I don't know. It's like, okay. I've done all the research. Weird.

SPEAKER_03 7:23

All right. Um, and so I was like, would I pay money to see Louis C.K.? Of course not. But am I going to watch some of Louis C.K.'s new comedy special to see what the fuck's going on? And then do five and a half hours of research? Yes, I am.

SPEAKER_04 7:39

Yes, I am. All right. Yeah, I did not. I was like, I think I'm not allowed to click on it. You know what I mean? Exactly. Because if someone finds out my history, then I feel like I'm in trouble.

SPEAKER_03 7:50

I watched 15 or 20 minutes of the special, and I literally watched five and a half hours about what is up with Louis C.K.

SPEAKER_04 7:59

So I don't know what that says about the world, but it says something. Yeah. Smarter people than we can figure it out. But that's a very interesting dynamic where you watch a little bit of the actual special and then a bunch of people talking about that. It's that's very interesting.

SPEAKER_03 8:13

Well, it's because it's because of the brain drain that we live in today where there's not that many new, interesting things that come out. And so it's easier to go back and research a thing that you love or like or want to understand, and people will spend way more time redisecting an old thing that that has already worked. That's true. You know, and I mean the movie we did today is just, you know, it's kind of a redisection, you know, it's just a sort of old formula with with sort of newer players, sort of newer players. Sorta. And, you know, it's it does it offer anything new? Offers nothing new.

SPEAKER_04 8:54

I you know, I I can't remember a time that I've seen someone pee into their own mouth, so that's something. I feel like I have seen that. Have you? Yeah, maybe you know what? You we probably have, you're right. Nothing

Why Old Movies Still Hit Hard

SPEAKER_04 9:06

new.

SPEAKER_03 9:07

You know, and that's fine, except that there isn't an audience for the same old, same old with the moderately, slightly new people.

SPEAKER_04 9:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:18

We're just the world just doesn't isn't interested in that.

SPEAKER_04 9:22

Also, I mean, they're worse people. You know what I mean? Not as people, but talent-wise, they're definitely not as strong.

SPEAKER_03 9:29

And it was interesting because in this Danny McBride thing, of course, we haven't told you what movie you're gonna talk about, but in the Danny McBride thing, he went- Nope, stay tuned, everybody. He talked, they they asked him about did he show has he shown his movies to his kids, and he's like, his kids don't care.

SPEAKER_04 9:43

Um, of course, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:44

And they've seen, you know, the the the older son has seen clips and he's like, eh, not for me. And then the guy asked him, great question. What of that stuff that you love, you know, Goonies and all the stuff we love from that time period, there's tons of stuff. What is it they care about? They care about the action thrillers. Interesting. Speed and great, and you know, those kind of those kind of movies, because those movies, they got you going, right?

SPEAKER_04 10:13

They sure do.

SPEAKER_03 10:14

They got you going heart pumping. Yeah, and movies today, I don't know. Do they ever uh is there anything that gets your heart pumping?

SPEAKER_04 10:23

No, this is I mean, and this is like a whole this could be a whole series of a podcast, I guess, with smarter people than me. But like we are re-watching, I haven't told you this. We have decided to re-watch the entire Marvel cinematic universe because uh Doomsday comes out in December. So we've got six months to get through, I think it was like 90 something things. Uh because we're doing movies, TV shows, we're doing everything. Doing all the TV, doing we're gonna consume all of the MCU. Anyhow, and we're watching some stuff, it's just like it does, it's not, it's fine, it's done, it's made well, it's interesting, but it's not like I'm watching something that gets me excited, you know? I don't know. But are you watching you? So you started with Iron Man, right? No, so we're doing it chronologically, so I can't wait to get to Iron Man because Iron Man is one of my favorite MCs.

SPEAKER_03 11:23

So wait, are you watching the entirety of the CBS Hulk show?

SPEAKER_04 11:27

Okay, so not everything is included. Um, we are currently in the middle of Agent Carter, the TV show.

SPEAKER_03 11:35

Oh, you're doing it chronologically? Correct.

SPEAKER_04 11:38

Yeah, I am.

SPEAKER_03 11:39

Oh, I see.

SPEAKER_04 11:40

Yeah, yeah, we found someone did it if you're if you're if you're interested, someone did it on Rotten Tomatoes, I think. They made a list or something. I don't know. Um You're watching What If. They're coming. Yeah, yeah, there's some what ifs in there. I you know, it's I don't it's interesting because it there's not a lot of movies that and I thought that this is a me problem that make me feel like the movies that we used to watch, you know? Yeah, because you're right, like you watch speed. Whew shit, man. It's a good movie. You're like, oh wow. Um, it just doesn't, I don't know. We're not I don't know what's going on. Makes me a little sad, I think, Dan.

SPEAKER_03 12:21

But then again, you compare like the the good horror movies of today to the good horror movies of the past. You you grew up on all the horror movies.

SPEAKER_04 12:28

The good horror movies of the past are better. You're right.

SPEAKER_03 12:30

You're absolutely right. All those slepaway camps and all that stuff. It is a bunch of shit. Oh man, that was wild.

SPEAKER_04 12:37

I haven't seen that movie, but all that stuff's you got then you do me a favor and watch sleepaway camp. It's the crazy, it's a terrible movie. It's not interesting, it's not good, but the twist at the end is the is just you just don't see it coming.

SPEAKER_03 12:53

It's wild stuff. But those movies are all you know, they're beloved, but they're not good movies, right? You and and if you go to go into them now, you can't go into them expecting good movies. You can go into them now looking at how goofy and silly they are, but they're not good movies. But you put you put on Die Hard and you're like, it's a good movie forever. It's a great movie.

SPEAKER_04 13:13

Good movie for you know it's perfect execution.

SPEAKER_03 13:15

You know, you don't watch a lot of 50s, 40s, 30s movies, but the good ones are good movies. When you when you when you put on Maltese Falcon or you put on uh Casablanca, you're like these movies were made by the greatest writers, the greatest cinematographers, the greatest directors. This stuff is all great. And and that's the thing, each each era has its stuff, and I mean I think mostly what we have going on now is horror. Dune was very good. Dune was very good. I so I know you hate Dune. I hate Dune.

SPEAKER_04 13:48

I don't hate it. It's very beautiful, it is visually stunning. Yeah, but uh you you just in my opinion, you just can't make that story interesting to me. I'm sorry. It's it's not, but you know what? Beautiful movie. I we only saw the first one. No idea if the second one is good.

SPEAKER_03 14:08

It's okay, not as good as the first one.

SPEAKER_04 14:10

Okay, so that's great. I'll never see that movie. Tony, what movie are we watching today?

Marvel Rewatch And Modern Movie Malaise

SPEAKER_04 14:15

We are 18 minutes into this podcast, and the movie we're watching today is um uh John Cena, uh, Eric Andre, Michelle Monaghan? Is that Moynihan, I believe. Moynihan, sorry, I'm stupid. Uh anyhow, this is Little Brother on Netflix, dropped this week. Um I mean, it's just basically just what about Bob? That's it. That's the review. See you later.

SPEAKER_03 14:50

The the problem with the this movie is that just one, huh? Yeah, there's just one problem with this movie. Okay. I think I have more than that, but I don't know. I can't wait.

SPEAKER_04 15:07

They're not terrible, but they're also not funny. They're just there.

SPEAKER_03 15:13

Yeah, they're just well, they're just they're they're actually normal people, pretty much. Pretty much pretty much normal people. Um you know the the the setup is that he had Eric Andre as a little brother when he was younger, and now the little brother has come back into his life. He's John Cena has an older brother who he's jealous of, and so he's trying to sort of impress his older brother, and then the little brother, Eric Andre, wants to have a positive relationship with him, and he's not interested in that because he's kind of more interested slightly in the older brother. Well, the older brother turns out at the end to be fine.

SPEAKER_04 15:57

He's just like a pretty nice supportive guy. Yeah, it's it's a real weird thing.

SPEAKER_03 16:02

You have to make you have to make the you know, you talk about what about Bob? That's the one where it's uh he's the Richard Dreyfus is the the therapist, and then his patient who has a bunch of real issues, yeah, played by uh Bill Murray, I think. Bill Murray. Yeah. Bill Murray is obnoxious to infinitely obnoxious in that movie, and it is hard. I mean, for me, it's hard to watch because I don't like embarrassing movies.

SPEAKER_04 16:30

It's hard to watch. I uh re-watched the first half of it last night, and I was like, whoa, this is this is like very, very good, right? But I was so I was uncomfortable. The situation I was never uncomfortable in this movie, except for one time.

SPEAKER_03 16:47

No, and the situations in those kind of movies are supposed to be extreme. Yes, yeah, you know, and at a point in this movie, his whole Porsche gets destroyed, and then in the next scene, it's got destroyed.

SPEAKER_04 17:01

It's fine. Yeah, I have so much money that that didn't matter at all to me. I got it fixed within 12. I don't know if you've ever brought a car in to uh to someplace, it doesn't get fixed the next day. This is they call you and they're like, Yeah, the part's coming in from Arizona, it's gonna be here about three weeks. We're gonna give you a loaner, and I'm like, it's I scratched the windshield guy. I could have just called AAA and they would have replaced it. So, yeah, well, we gotta get special glass. It just wouldn't happen. This guy's got so much money that he probably just has people to do it for him on the side. He's just like, Oh, here's $100,000. Fix my car. I don't care about anything. Fuck y'all money. Stupid.

SPEAKER_03 17:42

Sorry in a real movie with real stakes and whatnot, he would he would be crying. He would be crying.

SPEAKER_04 17:49

Oh, yeah, but that door would be off for the rest of the movie. Right? That's just what you do. That door has to be off for the rest of the movie. It's so weird that the car was totally fine. Doesn't make any sense. That car is messed up for the rest. He drives that car even though it's messed up.

SPEAKER_03 18:05

He's like there's him duct taping that that thing back on. 100% have to, you know, you have to

Little Brother Setup And First Impressions

SPEAKER_03 18:14

do those things. So weird. You have to get to those those endpoints. Um and they don't, they don't, they don't even, they're like, man, we're not, we're not even thinking, they don't even explain how his car got better. They don't even a little bit. They don't even talk about it, and the car is literally never brought up again. Yeah, yeah. And and that's the whole that's the whole problem, is that they don't they don't take it anywhere. They really make it easy and simple. And and I I got emotional at the end of this movie. I thought the the end emotion thing, uh, it worked for me.

SPEAKER_04 18:50

Um they know what they're supposed to do. Um, I you know, I I don't you can't manipulate me, you know what I'm saying? And if you have to do it well, okay. I know what you're going for, and the end is fine. Like you do the right speech, you say the right things, you make the right actions, but everything that came before it means nothing, and so I'm not there. I'm not, I'm like, yeah, I see what you're doing, I don't give a fuck. Like, go go pedal that shit to someone else. Dan Goodsell, apparently. Go talk to Dan, he'll cry for you for no reason whatsoever. I did get teary. You gotta earn it, and they just don't do it right. They know what you're supposed to do, right? But they don't know how to get there.

SPEAKER_03 19:36

See, but if you write the speech right and you have two people that can act, which John Cena and Eric Andre are both really good actors. 100%.

SPEAKER_04 19:45

No, I have I have no problem there. Uh my problem is if I'm listening to the speech and I'm like, nope, that didn't happen. That's fake, because it didn't none of that is real before. And so if you tell me these empty things, even though the words are correct, there's no weight to them, and I'm like, well, this is stupid, this is dumb. Get out of here. So you you I don't know, I got problems.

SPEAKER_03 20:08

So you get emotionally burnt out. I don't get emotionally burnt out, I get comedically burnt out, where it's like if you're really being the anti of fun and comedy, at the end, I'll just be like, even if you do a good joke, I'm just not laughing because you've you've lost.

SPEAKER_04 20:22

I know you shut down. You shut down, and I'm like, there's a great joke at one hour and twelve minutes. Like, I wasn't even watching then. I've I turned I tuned out way before that.

SPEAKER_03 20:31

Well, it's you shut down emotionally, I shut down comedically. It's we we both shut down in very different ways.

SPEAKER_04 20:38

I think mine is much more problematic just in my life, you know, because that's not just for movies. It's my whole life. Yeah, that's just kind of everything.

SPEAKER_03 20:48

But yeah, Eric Andre does not play a really broken person. He plays a very genuine, nice person who gets along with everyone and never really has a problem.

SPEAKER_04 20:57

Literally gets along with everyone super everyone loves him.

SPEAKER_03 21:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:03

Which is fine, but that's not the premise that you are giving me.

SPEAKER_03 21:08

They don't give him a he's not a character. He's really not a character. He's just a guy that gets along with everyone, and he maybe is a little gullible and he's a little clumsy.

SPEAKER_04 21:21

Sure. Yeah. That both of those things are true.

SPEAKER_03 21:23

But it's just a little naive attack. Just a little, you know, that yeah, not extreme. Not extreme. And and if you're swinging for if you're doing a swinging for the fences comedy, which uh, you know, what about Bob? I have the feeling Bill Murray's character is swinging for the fences in the character he plays. Oh, yeah. 100%. Richard Dreyfus's character probably loses his mind and wants to literally murder him.

SPEAKER_04 21:45

Well, Dreyfus is kind of an asshole, so it's he just kind of plays himself, I think.

SPEAKER_03 21:50

Yeah. Sorry, Rich. So, you know, it in a and we've talked about this in movies before where nobody wants to play the bad guy, nobody Wants to they don't want to make people into being gigantic problem assholes. But you when you watch Scrooge, it's like Bill Murray's character is a terrible boss and a terrible person.

SPEAKER_04 22:11

And so when he's redeemed at the end, you're like because you have to have you have to have it has to be a big swing, right? Like if your redemption arc is just from like mediocre to kind of good, that's not that's nothing. That's that can happen in one scene, you know. Like you need you need several scenes to go from the depths of hell up to like an angel. They don't do that. The movie starts. Wait, one more thing to say because this movie made me think a lot about game night. Remember game night? Perfect film.

SPEAKER_03 22:47

You mean the the last great comedy of of time? Might be.

SPEAKER_04 22:51

I mean, it might be. I don't know. I I would have to think about it, but it's definitely up there.

SPEAKER_03 22:56

I didn't I didn't make it through send help. Didn't make it through.

SPEAKER_04 23:00

I get it. So send help is so weird. I have a huge crush on Dylan O'Brien. Um is he the bad bad guy? He's the main bad guy. Yeah, he's the main guy, and he's so pretty. Um, so that helped a lot. But that movie is um, I'll never watch it again. I enjoyed it. Yeah, I had a great time. I'm glad I saw it. It's not a movie that I'm like, I'm gonna throw that on. You know, for obvious reasons. Uh, but game nine, I mean, I've watched that does a dozen times, you know, and I still think about it all the time. Anyhow, it makes me think about the brother dynamic in that movie because you got Bateman and Kyle Chandler, and Kyle Chandler is undermining Bateman all the time, all the time. And then his wife, uh Rachel McAdams, oh, also in Send Help. That's funny. She sees it, she sees it and recognizes it and is like, oh shit, he does do that. That's interesting. And then they kind of bond together on that. In this movie, John Cena is like, oh, he's undermining me all the time. And the and the wife is like, No, he's not, you're an idiot. And that dynamic doesn't make any sense because then you're like, Okay, well, is Cena crazy? And it turns out he kind of is because the brother just seems pretty genuinely, you know, supportive. He's just boisterous, which is not well a bad thing. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 24:24

They kind of sh the movie sets you up to thinking that he is, and then it just set decides it's not right, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 24:32

Now, game night, as in in direct opposition, is like, yeah, he's fucking with him the whole time. The whole movie is predicated on the fact that his his older brother is fucking with him constantly, all the time, and then they get to have a redemption

Stakes Problem And Character Commitment

SPEAKER_04 24:48

because then they come together at the end.

SPEAKER_03 24:51

In a comedy, you can't have a character that that isn't who they say they are, right? You can't have a you can't I mean this movie didn't didn't act like it was revealing that to us, but it just sort of did it. It's just like, well, by the way, you know, if you're if you're playing a game, you have to play the game. You have to set up that there's a misunderstanding that Cena doesn't understand, and then when it resolves, he has to have it resolve to his face. Instead, yeah, yeah, they just sort of do it, and then they're just sort of like, oh yeah, he's he's cool, and then Cena's like, Oh, I I guess he is cool.

SPEAKER_04 25:30

I guess I'm the asshole. And they're like, Yeah, a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 25:33

Yeah. They kind of not a lot, but not a lot. He's just kind of an asshole. And they they because that that's the other thing they do in this movie, is we have we have the first flashback where they kind of meet, and then we have a final flashback where where he blows the little brother off, and you're like, in a real movie, we'd put that up front.

SPEAKER_04 25:54

But also he feels bad about it in that same scene. Yeah, it's so wishy-washy because he's like, Oh, I'm peace out, I'm gonna go hang out my brother, and I'm never gonna call you again. And then he gets in the car and he looks at him, he's like, I feel bad. Oh, and then he tries out. What the fuck? What are you talking about? No, he doesn't care about the kid. Let him not care about the kid.

SPEAKER_03 26:15

That's the scene. We have to set him up not caring about the kid. We can't set him up.

SPEAKER_04 26:19

Right, that has to happen up top. We gotta see that and we're like, oh shit, this guy's a dick.

SPEAKER_03 26:25

Yeah, no, because that's the only time in the movie that we see he was a dick. We're like, oh, here's a he's really a dick. And you're like, but we don't support that the rest of the movie. He's gonna be a dick the whole movie.

SPEAKER_04 26:37

Correct. Yeah. You gotta make just here's the thing you gotta make choices and then stick with the choices. I know it's hard, but that's what you gotta do.

SPEAKER_03 26:47

Yeah, and a lot of movies today, they don't want to paint anybody in a bad light during any part of the movie. So they sort of play both sides, and then at the end they're like, Oh yeah, but he was good, and then you kind of could have figured that out the whole time. You're like, well, yeah, okay. It's all wishy-washy and it means nothing. So there you go. Eric Andre plays Marcus, he is taking off from uh uh mental institution of some sort, um, because he he needs to get he wants to go find his big brother, who who's is like you know, the big brother situation, and he's misreading a letter where the guy's like, you know, the end of the letter says something about you know, can't wait, you know, uh yeah, wish you were here. Wish you were here, and so he's like, I'm gonna make it here. So we do a whole sort of escape from the institution. His roommate is weird and has a rock and tries to give him a rock. I loved the the second, I loved the weird guy in the second part of the movie.

SPEAKER_04 27:49

I thought he had some of my favorite jokes of the whole movie. When he's like, hey, I'm you don't feel like salami. I don't remember what he said, but he's got like three or four great jokes at the end.

SPEAKER_03 27:58

Yeah, the the rock ones are okay at the beginning. He's like has a rock that has eyes that he's like, take my rock. It's okay, it's okay. It's I mean, it's fine, it's just weird. He's very weird. Yeah, no, well, you're setting up a very weird character and then not paying him off for an hour and a half.

SPEAKER_04 28:15

He disappears. Like, because Eric Andre doesn't have the jokes in this scene, right? Like the jokes are the roommate who then is gone, and we're following the guy that didn't make any jokes, isn't funny, and isn't interesting. Yeah, that's a weird choice to me. He should probably be the one with the jokes, and we're like, oh, let's follow this guy for a movie.

unknown 28:34

Nope.

SPEAKER_04 28:35

It's the opposite. You get to follow the boring guy. Okay, can't wait. Thanks, everybody.

SPEAKER_03 28:40

So he tries to escape, he steals some keys to a car, but then he's going through the ducks, and then he falls back into his own room, and then he just throws himself out the window and takes a car and takes off.

SPEAKER_04 28:52

Could have been like the jumping out the window's funny.

SPEAKER_03 28:54

Yeah, it's kind of funny.

SPEAKER_04 28:56

But that's yeah, that's it. Again, I'm just more interested in the roommate at this point. So okie dokie.

SPEAKER_03 29:04

So we meet Rudd, who's played by uh John Cena. He has a weird name. His name is Rudd. He has such a weird name.

SPEAKER_04 29:15

Why? I was it it's so weird that it made me think about it multiple times throughout the movie. Of like, why, why? Are you just a fan of Paul Rudd? And you're like, what if that was a first name? That's it's just weird. And not to and I don't want to be rude here, but Deirdre also kind of a weird name. It's not not it's not Rudd, to be clear, but it's also just like it's not really a normal name in 2026.

SPEAKER_03 29:45

It doesn't act as a good placeholder for a super hot wife, super hot loving wife.

SPEAKER_04 29:52

Yeah. It's just weird. It's just there's just some weird names in it. I just I it was interesting, and you know, choices matter, people, and rudd as a name is not a great choice.

Reality Show Bits And Comedy Logic

SPEAKER_03 30:04

Oh, it's just kind of weird. So he is a real estate agent. His brother is, I don't know what his brother does, but his brother's he's just cool, I think. Very wealthy, even more wealthy. He's wealthy, he has no money problems. There it's never an issue with money at all. He's doing great. His wife does charity work. They have a wiener dog that's missing its back legs that she takes care of dogs. He's a cute little wiener dog. Yeah, you know, cute little guy. I don't really believe his back legs didn't work, but you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_04 30:34

Whoa, you're calling ableism on this. A little bit. Okay, all right. Listen, I believe you. I didn't pay enough attention.

SPEAKER_03 30:42

Wish they'd hired a truly disabled dog, but you know, they gotta do what they gotta do. Um, so he has a big break. He's gonna be on a reality show called uh New York City Hustlers. And then he talks to I think he talks to uh the two people running the show who are played by Ego Wodem, who's used to be on a team with our our good friend uh uh Brent. And wait, really? Oh yeah, she was on she was on his uh team at whatever that other comedy places.

SPEAKER_04 31:21

The other, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:22

The other places, yeah. So he's really close with her. He he I think he still talks to her, and I think they're still friends. And he went out to and when he went out to New York one point, he got to go see uh live when she was on. So I was like, oh, it's all right, cool. And then the other guy's Caleb. Yeah, he's like a hot thing. I tried to watch his show, it did nothing for me. I don't find it.

SPEAKER_04 31:45

Yeah, I don't get it at all. And here's I mean, listen, I don't want to, I don't want to be rude. I'll leave it as I don't get it. However, if you have one funny person and one person that isn't very funny, it becomes distracting how unfunny they are, as opposed to me paying attention to how funny the other person is. Because I think she's great in all of their scenes.

SPEAKER_03 32:13

So you think she's working, you think he's he's killing it.

SPEAKER_04 32:16

I do I do like hard. It was wow. I was like, how was he? I didn't know who he was. Oh, okay. But I I had to look him up because I was like, this guy is distractingly bad. How did he get this? Is he a TikTok star? And that's rude, that's a rude thing to say, but that was my first thought. I was like, he must be like a social media guy because he doesn't have any real talent. And then I looked up, I was like, okay, I guess he works. That's weird. But I um not a fan. So he's uh moving on. He's he's a hot property. I don't, yeah. Wow, what a weird world we live in. Yeah, yeah. So, all right.

SPEAKER_03 32:54

There you go, guys. Basically, all the biggest comedians in LA Tony hates. That's uh what it comes down to. Um yeah, maybe probably line him up. Um so they show him they show him they've made uh they've made a promo, and the promo references his brother a whole bunch. You're like, okay, and so he's not happy about that. So he wants he wants them to redo it. Um it's not very funny. Yeah, I mean I think the but yeah, because they they don't really want to make fun of the thing, right? Right, but wouldn't wouldn't you? Isn't that the move? Well, they just want to replicate a thing. That's where they it's the I I've made the reference and that's the joke. Right.

SPEAKER_04 33:43

And that's not a joke. And I don't know how many times we're gonna have to say that on the show until somebody listens. I assume no one will ever listen because no one watches the show. But if you take away one thing from this show, 300 episodes, a reference is not a joke. Make a joke using a reference, you got a home run. A reference is not a joke. Um, and this is this is a great opportunity to make a bunch of jokes that don't really have to make sense anywhere else in your movie. You you've given yourself a platform to kind of do whatever you want to make fun of this character, and you don't. You just you just don't. That's what are you doing? Why even give yourself this vehicle if you're not gonna use it? It drives me crazy.

SPEAKER_01 34:36

Um I just wonder, did I leave the whole thing out?

SPEAKER_04 34:41

Did we do that? I don't think so. You think you missed something?

SPEAKER_03 34:45

No, I uh okay, here we go. So we get a montage of travel, Marcus gets there. Uh it's his first day on set. We have Mia, his assistant, and then he has to she oh, we find out who Marcus is, I guess. I don't know if I wrote everything down. Um so he she has to take care of Marcus because she's been in communication with Marcus this whole time.

SPEAKER_04 35:15

Now is this because she answers his emails.

SPEAKER_03 35:17

Now, is this the whole thing where the car gets hit and everything? Is that right, this right at the beginning? Yeah, pretty much. So basically they're shooting and he's not sure what he's doing. They make him play the mysterious traveler. This one guy, the other person tricks him into playing the mysterious traveler. That kind of gets thrown away. And then he gives a nice impassioned speech. But while the impassioned speech is happening, Marcus is in the Oh no.

SPEAKER_04 35:41

Oh, this doesn't happen. This is Marcus's accident. When Marcus is at a stop sign and he sees two little kids and he's like, brothers, and then he gets hit. Oh, I know I jumped ahead of the truck or whatever. Okay, I jumped ahead way too.

SPEAKER_03 35:54

You did. I wrote Marcus Hit, and I was like, This is when the thing gets why did I write everything down?

SPEAKER_04 35:59

No, no, this is when he's alone. He gets hurt a lot in a car, so that's understandable.

SPEAKER_03 36:04

He's alone, he gets T-boned by a by a big vehicle and and route. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 36:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:09

So now we cut to a fancy dress party. Uh oh, the

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SPEAKER_03 36:13

shoot is in two days. Okay. The wife is there, the brother is there, you know, and the brother is selling his his expensive house, and yeah, Rudd is, you know, losing his mind because he wants to be the one who sells the super expensive house.

SPEAKER_04 36:28

Right. Makes sense. What doesn't really ever make sense is why the brother doesn't offer it to him. If he's not doing it because he doesn't believe in him and he's not sticking it to him, there's no actual reason for then later he's like, Can I say your house? He's like, Yeah, of course you can. Absolutely. I'd love it. That not that doesn't make any sense. I don't understand. He has to be like, I, you know, you just can't handle it, bro. You know, something. I I don't know, but this is a weird moment.

SPEAKER_03 36:56

Some point of proof has to occur where he's like, right, I don't think you're ready for this, I think this, I think that, and then he then he accomplishes that thing, or he doesn't accomplish that thing.

unknown 37:06

Right.

SPEAKER_03 37:06

You have to you have to set up something that you can defy the expectation or succeed in the expectation.

unknown 37:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:13

That's what instead what they decide is like, well, John never asks. Cena never asks, so you know, he doesn't get to do it.

SPEAKER_03 37:23

That doesn't make any sense, guys. So the Rudd gives $10,000, but the brother hooks up Paris Hilton, and she calls in and gives $100,000, and everyone everyone cheers.

SPEAKER_04 37:37

Which you would. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:40

Yeah. Um that night he cries about it. Uh, he cries about it to the wife, he cries about it to his two sons. The boys are sort of feuding, and that's sort of this weird subplot that we never really talk about.

SPEAKER_04 37:54

Yeah, they're just trying to make parallels to the the dad and his Cena and his brother, I guess. I I don't know. It never really solidifies.

SPEAKER_03 38:05

So, boom, they get a call that the brother's in the hospital. They go down to the the hospital, and lo and behold, boom, it is Eric Andre, not his older brother Josh.

SPEAKER_04 38:18

I think this was my only laugh of the movie. Oh, okay. Is the reveal, and and Cena goes, Who the fuck is that? That's I think that's the only time in this movie that I laugh. I'm like, that's a great reaction. Very fun. Delivered well, you know, it's nice.

SPEAKER_03 38:34

We do a flashback to 1998 where they meet. We do the just the two of us song, and then we set up there playing horse, and then uh he injures himself with the basketball. Yeah. What do you mean? They don't they don't do just the two of us?

SPEAKER_04 38:49

I don't know. The they set up the I don't know. He's it doesn't seem like they quite know how to play horse, in my opinion. Oh, yeah. Later in the movie, they do it correctly during the credits or whatever. They do play horse correctly. So I think it's just a weird edit. Actually, they don't play horse correctly at the end.

SPEAKER_03 39:05

They Oh, do they not? They they he says, okay, this is the first shot. He does the shot, and then what's his name? Fails at it two or three times, and then he just runs around and makes random shots. No, you're right. They don't never play horse correctly. They don't really play horse correctly.

SPEAKER_04 39:21

You're absolutely correct. Yeah. So that's just a weird, I don't know. That took me out of it. I was like, are they even playing horse? I don't know. All right.

SPEAKER_03 39:28

Instantly the wife is impressed with this, but he doesn't read he never reads the wife. The wife could yeah, the wife could be having sex with someone else in front of him, and he would be talking about himself. That's sort of this character. Yeah, you don't want to miss that, buddy. Um she pours on the charm, and she's like, You you fucked up by not uh by not carrying him. In comes the nurse, and we do a whole removing the bed pen and the catheter.

SPEAKER_04 39:54

Catheter. Yeah. It's very broad. Yeah, very broad. I don't know. I'm sure I'm sure people find it funny.

SPEAKER_03 40:04

Yeah, and he's not me. He's very sexually rude about the nurse. Just like, uh don't you wish you could hit that? Um, there's a weird sexual frankness about this movie that at times really works, at other times it's off put, you know, like he can be he can be very off-putting, very objectifying, you know, which I kind of wish he wasn't. I wish that they did the frankness about sex, but then he wasn't weirdly objectifying her.

SPEAKER_04 40:38

Right, like I'm intrigued to find out when you thought it worked, because I never thought it worked. So I'm just I'm excited.

SPEAKER_03 40:45

Okay, yeah. I I I I think it sort of goes back and forth where there like this scene, I don't think it works, but there's other scenes where I do figure it out. Sure does he he seems rude. Uh the wife offers to have him to the house, and he says yes. Yeah. Um great. Oh, yeah, we did this too. He

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SPEAKER_03 41:04

he he's in an electric wheelchair, and they're gonna put him in the Porsche, and he fucks up the Porsche with the wheelchair.

SPEAKER_04 41:10

Yeah, oh, that's right, and that just gets buffed right out the next day. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:15

Or even the same day. I don't know. They get to the house and and they talk about how uh Marcus could maybe learn real estate from him, and then and then Rudd rolls him into the garage.

unknown 41:28

I I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 41:29

Rolls him into the garage and then closes, and this was kind of a nice scene. You were like, okay, here's somebody's gonna speak frankly, and he's uh he's all like, you know, why why did you come here? Is this a money grab? And then we we learn about the emails that there were emails, and we're like, well, yeah, I figured it was gonna be the brother Josh that was doing the emails, it's gonna turn out to be his assistant, me at the emails.

SPEAKER_04 41:52

Like, okay. Yeah, well, that's true.

SPEAKER_03 41:55

Um, so he he's basically, I'm gonna write you a check and you're gonna get lost. They go inside, and the wife sees right through this, which I thought was nice that she saw right through it. She knows his ways, and she's forcing me.

SPEAKER_04 42:09

It's weird how nonchalant she was about it. Though she's like, Did Rudd tell you to say this? Yeah, that's weird. That's weird, lady. Like, maybe have a little bit more anger with it. Be like, you're you're a son of a bitch, don't do it. But she's just like, Did he tell you to do that? Don't listen to him. You're staying. Whatever.

SPEAKER_03 42:28

He's staying. So yeah, we do a we do a weird bit where he tries to carry him up the stairs and they both fall down, then he tries to carry him with the chair, and then the chair falls down.

SPEAKER_04 42:38

And there was there's a joke about Vaseline in there, that's why it's so slippery.

SPEAKER_03 42:44

Then there's cat, and then they're laying on each other, and he's like, I'm not erect. And later on, John Cena is like, he was erect. Would have been a funny joke.

SPEAKER_04 42:53

I guess if this if that scene made any sense whatsoever, that's a funny joke.

SPEAKER_03 42:59

Yeah. Uh in bed with the wife, he's like, uh, he's a stranger. Like, okay, well, I mean, it's true. It is kind of weird to let a stranger into your house sleep in the house.

SPEAKER_04 43:09

100%. I don't know. Because John Cena not really being irrational in this moment, you know?

SPEAKER_03 43:15

And you have to sort of, you know, every other movie like this, the guy coming in is going to try to steal.

SPEAKER_04 43:22

A hundred percent. Something. He's he's got an angle, he's you know, he has to be we have to be like, uh-oh, you better get him out, but you can't.

SPEAKER_03 43:33

Yeah. So now we have what I think was the nicest scene of the movie. The wife's wife hears noise downstairs, goes downstairs to find uh Marcus watching their wedding video, and he's like, It's so fucking beautiful. This scene is very well acted.

SPEAKER_04 43:51

Sure. Yeah. The acting isn't the problem for most of this movie.

SPEAKER_03 43:55

Which is amazing. It's amazing to see, you know, it was just pleasant for me to watch people act. Act through a scene where you're like, oh, these people seem to care about each other. They seem to be listening to each other. They're they're not just doing sitcom reactions to things.

SPEAKER_04 44:10

Yeah, to be fair, we do watch a lot of movies where that is a problem. So I understand feeling like, oh, what a relief to not have that be an issue.

SPEAKER_03 44:20

I get it. I mean, and you watch a whole scene that is a whole scene. And they she says they have marriage issues, they talk about sex life, and he's, you know, he's basically you need to re-ignort Knight the Spark. And I'm like, oh wow, this is a true scene. There are so few movies we watch where there's even one scene that feels like a scene between two human beings.

SPEAKER_04 44:46

I mean, you're right about all of that. However, Dan, I think I think that that the fact that it's well acted has pulled the wool over your eyes a little bit because this doesn't really make sense in a movie. Right. So well, it depends on what you're going for. Is he a nuisance or is is John Cena the problem? John Cena is the problem. One of them has to be the problem, but this movie doesn't really make a choice on it. John Cena has to be the problem. He that's fine. I'm fine with that, but make him the problem then. Because they kind of don't. And in a movie where one of them has to be the problem, and neither of them really are, that's confusing. Yes, it is. I don't know what's happening then. I'm just like, okay, well, they're all just kind of fine people. Let's just get along. This is weird.

SPEAKER_03 45:35

Um now it's the morning. Uh Eric Andre's gotten up and he's made pumpkin quiche for the kids.

SPEAKER_04 45:44

Weird choice, but I will try it.

SPEAKER_03 45:46

That's all I will say. Good joke in here. He's like, he's had all the he had all these foster families. So he has a bunch of knowledge from these foster families. And he talks about this one foster family where the dad died on 9-11, but it was in an unrelated casino fire.

SPEAKER_04 46:06

Sure. It's a good joke. Yeah, it's a fine joke. Yeah. Nice misdirect. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:11

Then he he burns a second quiche and then has to do a whole thing. And so the basic idea is he's gonna go with Rudd to work as opposed to staying home burning down the house.

SPEAKER_04 46:23

Right. Which is that okay? Because he puts out the fire. Do you see what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 46:32

It's it's in comedy's go, it's as good as you're gonna get.

SPEAKER_04 46:37

No, don't don't settle for less, okay? You know what? Don't you dare settle because he shouldn't put out he is not a danger. You see, yeah, he accidentally burned something, but he put it out immediately, and nothing happened.

SPEAKER_03 46:51

Most of the movies we watched, they're like, I'm not going on the mission. Then the next scene, guess I'm going on the mission. You know, at least they they took the time to set up that he could burn down the house. So Cena doesn't want the house to be burned down because he already fucked up his car.

SPEAKER_04 47:09

And he has no problem fixing the car. This so here's the problem, Dad. This is what we have all discovered is that this podcast that we have done has lowered your bar so far that just the bare minimum makes you happy. I refuse. I refuse to be happy with bare minimum. Cena needs to put out the fire. This guy needs to be a danger, and that's why he's going on the thing.

SPEAKER_03 47:35

I mean, I have to say it would be very funny if Cena put out the fire and then Eric Gande was running around freaked out about the fire.

SPEAKER_02 47:42

Oh my god, my gate!

SPEAKER_03 47:44

You know, I mean, if you're if you're rewriting that to cover your ideas, yes, of course you could write it a lot better.

SPEAKER_04 47:52

Cover my ideas. The correct ideas, Dan.

SPEAKER_03 47:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 47:56

Uh it's fine. Yeah, it's fine. It's all fine.

SPEAKER_03 47:58

They drive in his car across the bridge, they talk about sex with the wife, and and and then he he gives them he gives them real good advice, relationship advice. Like very exactly very clear, straightforward relationship advice, which he's he's accepting of the advice.

SPEAKER_04 48:17

Yep. Well, because it's good advice. Like it's I it's and this is weird. It's just that's not right. I I get that it's fine, but that's it. Someone has to be the problem.

SPEAKER_03 48:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:31

I don't know, it's fine.

SPEAKER_03 48:33

Okay, so we get to the we get to this the thing where like a brownstone or whatever, Marcus has to stay in the car. He goes in, meets Mia. Mia explains that she was the one in communication, she's in love with Marcus because they've been communicating for years now. And I'm like, okay, that's good.

SPEAKER_04 48:49

I mean I enjoy this subplot. I think it's fun.

SPEAKER_03 48:54

She's very sweet. Um, I mean, they set it up so well, and they play it pretty well too.

SPEAKER_04 49:03

Yeah, yeah, pretty good. Yeah, better than the uh the main dynamic, which doesn't make any sense, so that's great.

SPEAKER_03 49:11

Um, he meets the other star of the show, Kieran or Cierden or something, I don't know what his name is. And then he's he's this movie's full of weird names.

SPEAKER_04 49:20

Yeah, I don't know why. It's uh got a bunch of them. So someone was in a dictionary for baby names, and they were just like, What's the weirdest one I can find?

SPEAKER_03 49:29

So he sets him up to like question his his uh role decisions in the show. So uh we start shooting.

SPEAKER_04 49:38

Which is like another weird subplot that doesn't a go anywhere or really make sense or lead to any funny moments.

SPEAKER_03 49:47

Yeah, this guy's supposed to be a bad guy, but they don't ever give him a chance to be a bad guy. Nope. Um Rudd tries to do a catchphrase, he tries to play the mysterious stranger, it's not going well.

SPEAKER_04 50:00

Right, because it's not funny, it's just weird and off-putting. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 50:04

Marcus has to pee, but he's trapped in the car, the window is cracked, so he starts peeing out the window.

SPEAKER_04 50:12

Now, here's the thing. I get that that's a funny visual. Tony, tell me the thing. What's the thing with Marcus peeing out the window? Dan, I don't know if you have ever peed with a penis before. But it does with my own penis? Yours, someone else, anyone's penis. Okay. What doesn't happen is it goes zero to full stream immediately, and then full stream to zero immediately. There is always a growth period. Growth and degradation of the stream. I don't know that word, but I think I agree with you. And so no person on earth would ever be like, I can lay down and make it out the window without making a mess. Just not something that can physically happen. So the the basic premise of this scene, stupid.

SPEAKER_03 51:13

Well, I mean, truthfully, what you're saying would be funnier if he's like lays back and he's all like, okay, go. And then we get like this little stream. He's like, I need more, I need more, I need more. Yes, that there's a lot of ways you could play this that would be funnier.

SPEAKER_04 51:29

Not making him pee into his own mouth for no reason. Um, I don't listen. Maybe, maybe it's a me thing, but it's never it's not a fire hose, right? Like it doesn't, it's it's not that unruly. Uh, I am in control. It's just I just I hated it. I hated this scene. I thought it was bad to top to bottom.

SPEAKER_03 51:54

So he's so Rudd is up there and he's finally found his footing. He does a whole good speech, but it turns out that the camera could see everything that was going on down in the street.

SPEAKER_04 52:05

I lied to you. Yep. Continue.

SPEAKER_03 52:08

We all go out into the street and then we start shooting Marcus. And I don't remember what was there. Was he mad at him? Because it I mean, like a little.

SPEAKER_04 52:15

He was mad, but he wasn't like, You're dead to me. He was just like, What did you do? And then they're all like, We love him. And then he's like, Oh.

unknown 52:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 52:24

So that's that would be my summation of that scene. I so I lied to you. I did laugh again when we're in when we're still in the the house, and the camera someone yells cut, and the camera, someone's like, why? And the camera guy's like, Well, like I was in the car, peed out the car, got out of the car, ripped the door got ripped up. It was funny when he encapsulates the whole thing. Yeah, that was very that was a very funny moment. So I'm I'm trying to give this movie the flowers when they deserve it, which is not very often.

SPEAKER_03 52:55

So then as they're filming outside, Marcus then gets hit by a moped after losing the door. I thought that was very funny when he got hit by the moped. Sure. Um, yeah, he starts then bleeding from the head, which was very funny. Uh yeah, so okay.

SPEAKER_04 53:13

Yeah. I don't yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:15

Cut to the yeah, it doesn't it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_04 53:18

No. Poor Tony. I just I don't know. This movie, I think I was excited for. I love John Cena. The premise sounded funny, and I just I wanted more, and so I'm very like, I'm very disappointed. John Cena was born too late. I agree, I agree 100% with that. Yeah, if he'd have been born 20 years ago, he would have been a huge star. He would have been in a ton of banger comedies, classics, guaranteed.

SPEAKER_03 53:47

Uh that night he goes to bed with the wife, the wife tries to get it on, but he's he's too messed up.

SPEAKER_04 53:55

He's too messed up, yeah. You gotta be pretty messed up for that.

SPEAKER_03 53:59

Uh he's working out, he hears some noise, he goes, uh Marcus is staying in his study, and there Marcus is having sex with the nurse, and also his the boyfriend and the boyfriend is watching. Yeah. What's going on here, Dan? This is the whole sort of normalization of sexuality in in all of its myriad of forms, and that's this movie takes the stance that whatever you're into, you're into, and it's okay.

SPEAKER_04 54:31

Sure, but there's two kids in that house. There's two high school kids in that house, and he's just having a threesome in the office, and nobody's upset about that. On the desk. That's weird. It is kind of strange. And then they go outside and he bangs her on the back of the car, he's screaming, and then the two old neighbors are like, ah, well, we fuck all the time too. And I get it. You're like, oh, that's normal, but that's weird. You're in the suburbs. People wouldn't be okay with you having sex on the car. I grew up in the suburbs. We are shameful, okay? We're full of shame there. It's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 55:10

Ah, Tony's roots are coming out.

SPEAKER_04 55:14

Uh-oh. Do I need to die again? Hey, that's a hair joke. Because I don't I don't have any hair. So it's tough. Yep, they have uh they fuck on the head of the sorry, I yeah, I sorry, I stole all your lines there. My bad.

SPEAKER_03 55:31

And uh he's I I did like John Cena says the Myersons are watching. Right. And that's he's just fine.

SPEAKER_04 55:40

It's just so weird. He's really just like trying to make a point to his wife that it's weird. She's like, yep, now the Myersons are getting a show. I dude, I don't know. It's real weird.

SPEAKER_03 55:52

Okay. Cena goes through Marx's bag and finds the psychiatric hospital ID. Uh-oh. Yeah. That's tough. He he's calling the family together and he's gonna reveal Marcus has mental problems, and lo and behold, he gets a TV, he gets the call. The network loves Marcus, Ragster Riches. And you're also gonna get the Big Brother of the Year award.

SPEAKER_04 56:20

Right, I don't know. Okay, a lot going on.

SPEAKER_03 56:23

Okay. Uh then we do a big montage with the new setup where it's him and Marcus. Marcus gets to do the catchphrase, mansion accomplished, even though Rudd wanted to do that, but now they love it because Marcus is doing it. And that's a classic trope.

SPEAKER_04 56:39

A hundred percent. Yeah. I mean, it's fine. It's totally fine.

SPEAKER_03 56:45

And the other guy in the show corners uh Rudd and is like, oh, you better get rid of this Marcus guy. You know, Bethany Frankel didn't start out as the main person on Housewives. I'm like, okay, that's a good joke.

SPEAKER_04 56:58

And as I assume that's all true. I honest I honestly have no idea.

SPEAKER_03 57:03

Okay, they set it up. And then, yeah, so there you go. Um, we do a scene with Mia hitting on Marcus, and we do a whole thing where they both love hoobastink.

SPEAKER_04 57:16

And if I wasn't so cranky, you would have loved the hoob. Would have really hit home. Yeah, it's funny. I used to listen to hoobastink all the time. Um calling him the what did he say, the motherfucking stank? Like that's funny. That's objectively funny, but I was so cranky by this point that I had I had shut down. So you take these movies personal, that's the problem. Because it should be taken personal, because they have John Cena, number one, number one on the call sheet, baby. They have a solid premise, great cast, and they just fuck it up. I'm bitter. Let's just call it what it is, Dan. I'm bitter. I wish I was in the show and I'm not. And I'm like, you guys kind of suck, and that's stupid. So it is what it is.

SPEAKER_01 58:08

Sad.

SPEAKER_04 58:09

Do better.

SPEAKER_01 58:10

Hashtag do better.

SPEAKER_03 58:12

Uh he meets his bro to ask him if he can list his house, and the bro's like, sure, bro.

unknown 58:16

All right.

SPEAKER_04 58:17

Right. Yep. He's just like, cool, man. I was waiting for you to ask. Good thing you got the got the cojones for. I I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 58:24

Marcus is painting nails with the wife, and they talk about eating ass.

SPEAKER_04 58:31

Yeah. This is it's weird. I'm sorry. I'm not not to yuck anyone's yum. I believe that's what the kids say. Um that's a weird conversation to have. I don't I don't care. Works out all good. It works out on try it at home, kids. Try it at home.

SPEAKER_01 58:52

So they're driving to the brother's house where there's gonna be a big party and you know, big A-listers, and all this stuff, and he's having trouble, and so the wife's like, pull over, and then the wife eats his ass out.

SPEAKER_04 59:07

Yep. That's yep. Here's my biggest problem is they do that, which is weird. Sorry, it's weird. Um, and then everyone's like, that's totally normal, which is fine. I'm just again, I'm trying not to be judgmental here. Um but then my problem is is that it doesn't work, it doesn't do anything. So it's just relaxing, he's relaxed when they show up. But when they show up, it lasts maybe, maybe three minutes, and then he's cranky again. So it doesn't work. Like, let him come in and command that place. He comes in all happy. Hey, I'm having a good time, and then immediately is like, oh, the brother's here. Oh, this is happening. I'm cranky again. Yeah, so it's just a joke. It was just it's just a joke. He was reset, he reset the the we started at one again, and now he's back to where he was before. So uh it's just uh meant nothing.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:14

So they have some hot pot, and then after that, they go into the bathroom, and the brother has pills, and he crushes them up, and he's all like, Oh, Rudd's not gonna do any of the pills, and then Rudd does a bunch of the pills, and then everybody else begs off, so Rudd is the only one on drugs.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:30

I'm I'm sad that they didn't lean a little bit harder into this scene. You mean when he's oh god, no, I hate drugs. Being on drug scenes are my least favorite thing in the world. They're such a cop out.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:44

Well, the good thing about this movie is they don't really do the being on drugs scenes.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:47

That's true. That is true. They don't really do it, they just make them sweaty, which is great. Um, but I love there's something very funny to me about his brother when he says the line, I was just being a good host. That's one of the most clever things that they do in this movie, in my opinion, where he's like, I mean, I wasn't gonna do them. I just I was being a good host. You offer, yeah, you offer food, snacks, drugs. That's what you do. I wish that there was just a little bit more. No one else in the room cares. Everyone acts like it's not like you just did a ton of some sort of drug.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:22

That's that this movie sort of normalizes all these sort of behaviors that are kind of a little off.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:29

Kinda? Sorry. Again, not judging, not judging here. It's all weird. Well, all right.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:35

You know, being offered a bunch of drugs, it it is kind of a weird situation, right? It's not, but this movie treats it like it's a super normal situation.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:45

Yep, this is just a Tuesday, you know. You want some drugs? No, cool. See you later. Uh, I don't know, man. It's weird.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:52

So live in it a little. Josh the brothers playing DJ, and then Rudd is dancing. That's that's what he does when he's on drugs. That's his drugs, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:01

That's the effect of the drugs, makes him boogie. That's what I love it.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:05

Okay. So basically, what happens is he's afraid that Marcus is gonna steal the listing, and so it's finally at some point he sees Marcus and the brother talking. Yeah, he assumes that that you know, some words are said misconstruable.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:22

And there's like a high five or something, yeah. They're cheering or something. Yeah, something like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:27

So he runs towards the brother, and this is this is what happened. This is what this movie is. He's running towards the brother, they make him trip over a cord. That that drove you crazy, didn't it? It yes, you finish. Yeah, and then he falls into the brother and actually knocks the brother off the balcony. The brother goes over. This is the this is yeah, this is the weirdest scene in the whole movie. The brother goes over, someone yells, he needs a tracheotomy. That's what someone yells.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:57

Someone yells that as if that's like a normal thing to know.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:00

And so Eric Andre's character, Marcus, goes down there, gives him a tracheotomy with some pen that meant something. I don't know. I don't know, and then he's blowing in it, and when he blows in it, then a hot pot meatball, I guess, shoots out of his mouth, but it looks too large, and then it flies in the air, and then it visually covers the entirety of the moon. Yep. And then he gets taken away in uh an ambulance. Ambulance.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:31

Right. What? So so okay, there's so many things wrong with this. A lot going on in this scene to unpack. First of all, let's go with the biggest issue. You make him trip over a cable. This is bad for several reasons. One, it takes away his agency. This is no longer an action that he makes, this is an accident that happens. That's stupid. He this has to be something he does, right? Like, this is his moment to be the bad guy. This is his his tipping moment where he's like, Oh, I've gone too far. But nope, it's an accident, could have happened to anyone, no big deal. Two, you just coked him up with a ton of drugs, and then it culminates with him tripping over a cape. Those two things aren't related whatsoever. Why do you have the drug scene if you're not gonna use any drugs? He just he trips and knocks the guy over. That's so stupid. It's so useful. The whole movie is useless. This is I just I hate it so much. It's so stupid. Now the brother goes over the railing and falls two stories, and the only problem is he's choking. Is that what is happening? He just fell off a balcony and landed on his back. What do you mean? Oh, yeah, he's choking. No, he's dead. He broke his neck, he's dead. But all that happened is he's choking. I don't under you I don't understand that. But then also, Dan, don't we have like some sort of heimlich maneuver where you can just dislodge those things, you know? Why does he have to cut open his neck and then blow in it to get is that a thing? I don't I listen, I'm not a doctor. Is that is that like the the last step? Oh you know, no.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:22

What happens when you you you give somebody a tracheotomy when they've when they've damaged when they've damaged this because they can't breathe, and so you you're opening another hole.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:32

So below where the obstruction is or okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:36

But yeah, that's not I mean how someone diagnoses that from a distance doesn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:44

That doesn't make any sense, but do you I don't feel like you usually blow in that. No.

unknown 1:05:47

Nope.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:48

Right? You just breath out of that. Right. I just it's just a series of things that don't make any sense to me whatsoever. Including the the thing flies up there.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:00

And obscures the moon.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:01

Right. And that's just the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life, right? So I I you thank you, forgot about that. What a stupid someone in the editing room was like, I could CGI this meatball to go right over the moon. Is that cool? You want to see that, bud? I don't know. I just it's it's a terrible, it's a terrible four minutes.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:21

Well, it's not over yet. So uh Rudd comes down there and he calls Marcus a scam artist, and you know, and oh right, and then it says he's from a psych ward, and and then uh it turns and then Mia makes her confess this where no I oh he says yes, he says he's right, I did lie, you know, he's tired of being rejected. He checked himself in there because he was having suicidal thoughts, and then Mia confesses that she was the one that wrote the emails, and then he's like, Oh, you've been catfishing me, and then she's like, No, I haven't, and then she's like, Well, I guess I have.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:00

I guess she says some she had a funny line where it's like, I guess that's the definition of catfishing. Uh you know, that's funny.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:06

Yeah, and then Marcus leaves because he's you know, he's hurt.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:10

He's all sad again. Yeah. Um not to not to make this obviously, it's a screwball comedy. You know, you're not supposed to take things too seriously, but I don't love that he checked himself into an institution for suicidal thoughts, make it less serious. That's true. That probably was a lot of that's all but that's the thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:33

This is this movie's about the normalization of things that they normalized.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:37

I I get it, I get it, but like that's a very serious thing, and like, yeah, he's had a tough life, so like it's all very it's too real and too sad to be in this movie, yeah. And then at the end, everyone shits on this guy and then lets him walk away, knowing that he just told you, well, I do have suicidal tendencies. See you later, I'm gonna go probably kill myself, right? So I don't they did just let him leave. I I don't like this.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:05

Yes, so they just let him leave after he talked about suicide.

Hospital Reveal Emails And The Big Speech

SPEAKER_04 1:08:10

So I like that's just make it slightly less serious, is my only my only thing there. Like, that's I understand that that's policing or whatever, but like that's too that's too real, uh too sad, it's not funny.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:23

Anywho, they return home and he has the flashback of playing horse and then abandoning Marcus already at the thing to go be with his brother. Okay, so he's kind of a dick.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:34

Studio calls they're but also not really because he looks sad. As he's driving away, he looks mournfully at his brother. So like he already felt bad and is already humanized. No, make him a dick.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:49

He's a dick. Studio calls, they're like, he's like, I blew it, and they're like, no, no, we can make this work. So the big brother ceremonies tonight, go to that, they're gonna get the award. We'll get Marcus to give it to you. He's like, Well, I don't know where Marcus is. They're like, Well, we got you covered, we'll bring Marcus. Okay. This point he goes and he reads all the emails from Marcus, and he realizes what a great relationship that Marcus has in his brain for Rudd, and that's when he falls in love.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:22

Uh, there's a really good joke where he says, one of them, he's like, I saw a horse the other day. And it made me think of the time we played horse.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:32

It is a funny joke. Yeah, it is a very funny joke. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:36

And Cena gets emotional. Cena, very good at getting emotional. It's great. For sure, the guy can act.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:42

Like, I you know, it's great.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:43

Uh, they go to the awards ceremony, his boys are still mad, the wife is still mad, Mia is heartbroken because Marcus is gone. Uh, and then we get up there and then he sees Marcus, and Marcus tunes around. And who is Marcus?

SPEAKER_04 1:10:02

Somebody somebody different. Yeah, but who is that? Is it a real person? I think it is. No, I don't know. Oh no. I think it's Urkel. I think it's funny. I think it's oil. Whether it is or isn't, it is now. Yeah. For sure. 100%. That's hilarious.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:18

So they're gonna just have this fake person do it, and then they'll VFX in Marks' face. I was like, But that's not what they said.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:26

So that is that is the joke. Nope, they said they're gonna use AI. Did they? They said that. And I get it, because that's the hot thing right now. But that's not what you would do, right? You wouldn't AI his face. You would VFX Disney does this all the time. They face sweep, body swap. We just watched Captain America, the first Avenger, and Chris Evans is on a tiny 12-year-old boy's body, right? Like, we know you can do this. Make the correct joke. It's so disturbing to watch that. You're like, no, I don't like this. I don't like it. It is, it's very, it's very off. But we can do it, and we do do it all the time. You do it in stunts all the time. You have to superimpose someone else's face on the stunt double because you're like, oh shit, we caught his face in that scene. We better cover it up. Like, we do this, make the right joke.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:23

So Marcus has gone back to the uh psychiatric institution, and the doc's like the doctor is like, I didn't need to sneak out, you could have just left. And he's like, You gotta let me back in. And then they're kind of saying that they won't let him back in, and then he says, Yes, I'll suck your dick.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:40

Very funny. So again, this scene, in my opinion, this scene would be funny if he hadn't checked in for suicidal tendencies. Because if you you know, get help. If you are if you not to get serious, if you have suicide attendance, get get help, right? He does belong there. And I think I don't know, but if you check in for suicide, I think you actually have to stay like a certain amount of time and like get checked. So just make it less serious. He's there for something less serious than that, and then it's funny because the doctor's like, you we don't even want you here, like you shouldn't be here, you're fine. Because he says that he says you're fine, but if this guy's suicidal, he's not fine, right? So work on that. That's not okay, that's not right. But this scene is very funny then. If something's not actually seriously wrong with him, yeah, and he's just kind of lonely. He's just you know what I mean. Like he's just like, I just wanted roommates, you know, something, I don't know. And then he's like, I'll suck your dick. That's funny, that's all funny then, but it's just brought down because you're like, Well, this guy kind of wants to kill himself, so maybe let him back in. I don't know. Bums me out because I do think that this is a funny idea, but I just think they ruin it.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:56

See, like in a terrible movie like K-Pax, you'll overlook everything to get to what you want.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:06

Oh, K-Pax is wonderful. Listen, everybody, if you didn't go watch that episode, go watch the episode right now. It's delightful.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:12

Um, the brother Josh shows up at the award ceremony. He because of what happened, he now has an electro larynx. Lanx. Oof. I love that.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:23

I I don't like the Michael Douglas joke.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:26

Don't like the Michael Douglas joke. What's the Michael Douglas joke? Yeah, it's a dated reference. What did he say about Michael Douglas?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:32

Uh, he's like, it's the same one Michael Douglas used after he got throat cancer from doing oral on his wife. I said it nicer than he says it. Um, and it's like, yeah, that was like 20 years ago, guys. Like, let's try to get something a little more recent than a joke we've all done a million times.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:49

I didn't understand that joke. I was like, I don't know what he's talking about. Okay, so the we do a quick intro. He goes out there, he's given the speech, and then he's like, I can't do this. I blew it, you know. Marcus understood, and you know, fuck the show, fuck everything, you know. But he barely blew it.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:10

Like, that's my like this speech is good, but the actions previous don't dictate, don't add up to this speech. I don't know. That's all he can't accept the award. Yeah, which is right. That's totally fine.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:24

So the studio people, and so then he leaves, and then the studio people and are like sending the backup rudd. And so they've got a fake guy for Rudd and the fake guy for Marcus.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:34

I was like, okay, that's good.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:35

Yeah, I think it's very funny. I would have loved if the fake guy for Rudd was The Rock. I know you can't afford joying the Rock Johnson, but I think that would have been.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:45

I'm sure the guy was him was playing with somebody, but it could have been better. Sure. Better stud casting on that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, we go outside and the brother like apologizes, and the brother's like, I was always jealous of you, even though I was fucking a different Instagram model every night and living in the biggest house and having all the money in the world. Like, oh, okay, that's that's kind of funny. It's kind of funny.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:08

Nobody means it. Uh, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:11

Uh Mia's driving. They they're gonna go drive to the the psychiatric institute, cut back to psychiatric institute, he goes back to the crazy roommate, the crazy roommate. He's like, Yeah, I got something to show you. And they we look under the under the sheet. I don't know why that wasn't on his bed. It was on the crazy guy's bed, it wasn't on Marx's old bed.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:34

Oh, maybe you're right. Well, because he does say I gave you a vagina, so I think there's a good chance he's having sex with it. Oh, I was like, You asked why he was on the wrong bed, and I'm telling you, it's because it's his lover.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:46

Yeah. So he's made of an all lunch meat version of Marcus, and Marx is like, that's disgusting, but so beautiful. And then he's like, It's the most beautiful thing anyone's ever done. Yeah. But and I gave it a vagina.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:00

Yeah, right. So that's your answer, Dan. Because he's he's he's having some sex with it. My favorite line is when he says I have to change. Oh, sorry. Stop.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:11

Is this about the meat thing? Yeah, you can tell the favorite line then.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:14

No, yeah, my favorite line is just I have to change it once a week so it doesn't attract rodents. I think he's I think he says vermin. Oh, vermin. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. It's a better joke. It's a better joke than vermin. You're right. It is a better joke. Uh, that was my favorite line of the scene. I thought that was very funny.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:30

Uh oh, oh, now they so they arrive, they arrive at the thing, they get out of the car, tries to go in the front, he walks over there, there's a woman standing in the window, and they both go, ah! That was that was funny. No, it's a good good little moment. Yeah. And then she's like, you know, two two windows over, one up. He climbs up there. Um, and so he's sort of hanging there, and the roommate goes over there, and then Marcus is like, ask him what he wants. And he's like, I want to talk. And then the roommate says such a good line. He wants me to burn down my eyes. Yeah. Yeah. That was the second funniest thing today. I really like that. The funniest thing today, Shannon sends me this video. There's some guy paragliding in. This was, I guess, yesterday. He's got an American flag paraglide, you know, paraglider, and then he has a string, and then on that is a big American flag.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:34

He flying in, the American flag catches on some trees, and it just he just goes in a parabola straight down and crashes into like a tent, you know, like one of those full-up tents.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:49

I laugh so hard. I laugh so hard.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:54

You're evil. Like, what are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? If you're an idiot and you get hurt, it's your fault. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:03

Okay. Um, he wants me to burn down my ice cool. Um, he's like, are the so he climbs in, and we just have this thing where he said I read all the emails, and you know, I said a lot of stupid shit, and uh they hug it out. And I I I got emotional. I thought it was really well delivered. I think both people played their their emotional standpoints really well.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:31

I a hundred percent. And if the movie had led up to that in a convincing manner, I think it's a great scene.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:38

Oh, poor Tony. He's betrayed by comedy.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:42

I was betrayed. Betrayal. A betrayal. Nah, what are you gonna do?

SPEAKER_03 1:18:47

We go out to the car, Mia apologizes, and then they they do a duet and sing uh a hoobastank song, and then they kiss.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:54

Almost, almost a really great moment. Um it's too much, it's too long. She has too many lines before they sing together. Oh, I see. In my opinion, I think you have to get to the song a little bit quicker. Okay, tighten it up. Exactly. Tighten it up. Yeah, yeah. Tighten it up because she, you know, she walks all the way around the car, she does like four lines by herself. It's like, yeah, we know what you're doing. The second you said the first word, I was like, Yeah, it's who mustink. And maybe that's because I didn't listen to who stink. Maybe that's why, but immediately I was like, Oh, yeah, well, we've all done this bit, right? I don't do you remember my Darren Hayes bit from class? Like, it's a class you don't remember. Oh, I remember. You made fun of Darren years. I did I yeah, I did. We'll call it what is. He's the sweetest guy in the world. Well, I don't know about it. He was uh he was the sweetest guy in the world. Um, yeah, yeah. It it's just it's a very classic bit to like you use the words of the song and you say them normally as if it's your own thoughts, right? We get it.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:58

But you see, most of us were like, oh, they're talking, and then it becomes a song, and I'm like, oh, they're singing a song. And then they tell us at the end that it's a hubistik song, and I was like, Oh yeah, because they both like hoobastik.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:11

I guess that's on me then, because as soon as she said, I'm not

Hoobastank Duet And Emotional Ending

SPEAKER_04 1:20:14

a perfect person, I was like, haha, we're gonna sing the song. And then she said another line. I was like, Okay, we're gonna sing the song. And then she said a third line. I was like, Are we not singing the song? What's happening right now? Then she says a fourth line, and I was like, All right, I'm over this fucking shit. And then they sing the song. I was like, guys, get there quicker. Most of us were like, maybe that's just me. Most of us were like, they're talking. Wow. I guess that's just me showing my stank side, you know? What are you gonna do?

SPEAKER_03 1:20:40

And then they then Cena says, We have some unfinished business, and then we cut and they uh they play that lost horse game, sort of, and uh everything's okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:51

Yeah. I the one thing I do want to say, where is this basketball court? Because it has such a beautiful view of the skyline. I want to play there every day. There's some beautiful it's because it was on was it on top of a building? I think it was, right? Maybe that's what it is. I don't I honestly don't know. I was like, where are we? Tell me because I want to go.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:09

There's lots of basketball courts on top of buildings in New York.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:15

New York. New York, LA, they're all cool. They were in New York, Tony. Is that what they are?

SPEAKER_03 1:21:21

Remember that big bridge they were driving across?

SPEAKER_04 1:21:25

Yeah, the San Francisco Gate Bridge, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:21:28

The old San Francisco Gate Bridge.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:30

That's that's what we all call it. Golden Gate. Now hold on, I got it. It's Golden Gate Bridge. And then we do a bunch of outtakes. We do like a new intro where it's Some of them are outtakes.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:41

Some of them are not outtakes. Well, we do another intro for the show where it's uh where the fake guys uh play in the characters. I thought that was very enjoyable. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:51

Um, and then we get my my my other favorite joke, the old people who are watching them have sex on the car.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:57

Uh the one woman says Dan's in Dan's a little shy about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:09

You want to be my toilet? Yep, yeah. I side. That's so funny. That's so rude. That should have been in the movie. It would have been my I mean, the joke they made in the movie was fine. You want to be my toilet. That's fine. Oh, it's very funny. Tony didn't laugh because Tony's a midwestern. No, no, it's no, those are fine.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:34

Dirty humor makes me turn red. It's not the dirty humor is the problem. It's just it's such a crazy scenario that it loses all plausibility. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:46

There was at the ground links, they they they would occasionally do the super dirty shows.

unknown 1:22:51

Sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:52

And Jeff Galante did the he did the um human centipede. Were you there for the human centipede? I don't know. I might have. Oh my god, it was so filthy. It's so fun. I'm dying. He actually knew one of the girls that was part of the human centipede, and she was in the sketch.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:09

Like the movie? Yeah. Oh, I was like, did it happen in real life and this is the sad stuff? No, it's interesting.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:15

She she got roped into doing it one time. Oh, but yeah, I I do I do like my super dirty humor, especially when it's live. I just I like dirty humor.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:29

I just it just didn't make a lot of sense. I was angry. It's my fault. You want to be my toilet?

SPEAKER_03 1:23:37

Like, what is I don't even want to think about that's why I love it. It's because you're just like it it's just open, you know, it's like we live in a world where you can see everything, but yeah, sure. I'm gonna talk about that too. You can talk about what? Okay, okay, Tony. Anything else you want to say to disparage this incredible movie?

SPEAKER_04 1:23:59

It's fine, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:01

It's fine. It's not a good movie, but there are a few good jokes, and you know, it it makes you it leaves see, and this is what drives Tony crazy. It leaves him wanting there to be a good movie like this, and that drives me crazy.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:13

Because there is, because there's a good there's a good bones, there's good bones.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:18

See, but in K-Pax, it's the same thing. You now K Packs is just a great, it's a perfect film. Imagine the great movie that's that's in that movie.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:28

I see it. I see that movie every time I watch it. I watched the movie 50 times. I see it then. I don't know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:34

Uh okay, now we you have anything else you want to say?

SPEAKER_04 1:24:38

No, I'm good.

Dirty Outtakes And Why It Almost Works

SPEAKER_04 1:24:39

Move on.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:39

Okay, now we talk about something we like this week. Like we said, Louis C.K. dropped the new special um on Netflix, and you kind of go like, wait, wasn't he canceled 10 years ago? Yes. Now and the answer is yes. Let me ask you a question. Do you remember when you heard about Louis C.K. being canceled?

SPEAKER_04 1:24:59

Like, do I remember where I was? Like who you were with? No, I don't. Was I with you? Oh. Is this was I? Interesting. No, wait, no, wait, no, you weren't. Wait. See? I knew it.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:12

No, you weren't with us.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:13

Yes, you were. You were all hanging out. You were hanging out without me, you sons of bitches. We were at your wedding. Maybe I don't know if you were there or not. If it was just me and Johnny and Eric. Well, I don't want to. I was pretty busy at my own wedding, Dan. So I may not have been there with you guys. Yeah, it was your wedding. Yeah, it was your wedding. Yeah, wait, wait. No, that time-wise, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:33

What year did you get married?

SPEAKER_04 1:25:34

2010. 2016.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:35

2016. Yeah. We were driving in the car on like before your wedding, the day, like the I think the day of your wedding, we heard it on the radio, and we all then folks, radio is what we used to listen to. I was gonna continue. We all then relate our stories about how we'd all sort of heard creepy shit about Lewin.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:58

And yeah, that makes sense. The three of us had never talked about it before, but we'd all heard questionable things, and I have no idea where and you know, we're I am very peripheral to the comedy community. And you know, Harrison and Johnny not super buried in the you know, they're Harrison does a little stand-up, but none of us were stand-ups or anything, and we'd all heard stuff, so we were not surprised, and instantly you were like, Louis CK is a fucking problem, and he got cancelled, and we're like, well, good, you know, he he's he's a piece of garbage. Well, he just released a new special on Netflix. Having said that, so I'm like, what is going on with this? So this one one show I listened to, they did an entire hour about the set.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:45

Wow, okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:46

Turns out he was he how okay, here's the question. How long do you think it was before Louie was back out on stage doing his stand-up?

SPEAKER_04 1:26:56

Six months, probably.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:58

It was nine months.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:59

Nine months, okay. Longer than I thought, so that's something, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:03

I would have thought it was much longer. I asked Shannon and she's like, 18 months? And I was like, no, it was nine months.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:09

Um it's not great.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:11

So they talked about it, and you know, they were like, there's one good bit for mostly it was pretty lazy and sloppy. You know, he he had one part where he's talking, he's like, I had this dream and I was peeing on a baby. And you're just like, Wow. Probably not a good idea. And so this other guy has made four episodes on YouTube, which are each about an hour, but the fourth one is an hour and a half where he talks about Louie, talks about all of his stuff, and man, the Louis stuff, you know, I I enjoyed Louie and I liked his FX show. But at a certain point, Shannon and I watched it together, we turned it off because we were like, there's something. Wrong with this guy.

Louis C.K. Netflix Return And Comedy Ethics

SPEAKER_04 1:28:02

There's and this might be me, but it I think it was that show or the HBO show that there was like a storyline where his underage kid's friend was like attracted to him or something, and that was when I turned that show off. I was like, uh oh, can't you can't do that.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:22

He put all this shit in there. There's one episode of the FX show where he basically forces himself on Pamela Adlon. And it's you watch it and you're just like, and I remember watching that episode, and I mean I won't say I didn't think there was a problem with it, but it's like I didn't go, we gotta stop watching the show after that.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:40

Well, right, because it turns out that he's just writing from experience what you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:46

There was like this one scene where he's like he's imagining himself a kid and he's interacting with this one girl, and she's wearing this red leather jacket, and then this guy found that he did the same scene in three different shows, and she's always wearing this red leather jacket. And you're just like, oh man.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:08

And then in the in the fourth episode, he talks about exhibitionism and how he, you know, he sort of talks about how this all sort of relates to Louie, and you know, once he starts talking about the clinical diagnoses and all the stuff that goes with that, you're like, oh, and he starts talking about Louis's childhood, and his Julie's childhood was terrible. And then when he got to the point, you know, where he, you know, when he got cancelled, yeah, Mark Marin, Sarah Silverman both came out not in his defense, but they were like, he's still my friend. They both said, he's still my friend.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:51

He those two and Pamela Adlon, he never talked to again after that. Really? So Louie never chose to do any work to get better at what the fuck was wrong with him. Cool, cool, cool. And the people that you're the people that you respect, Mark Marin, Pamela Adlon, Sarah Silverman, Sarah Silverman's weird person because she tells some weird stories about stuff that they did where he was Louie was problematic, but she was also problematic, seemingly, you know. Sure. She was being they were being weird, fucked up comedians. Because she's sometimes her comedy it back in the day, I had a hard time with.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:34

Sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:35

So, you know, these are complex people, but hopefully, as you go along as a complex person, if you see that there's a giant problem, you do work on it and you try to fix yourself. But Louie didn't do any work, and he has drifted into the the Joe Rogan bro bro comedy verse and became this guy about like they cancelled me for my jokes. And it's like, no, you got no, we did not. You got you can do whatever dirty weird shit on you know, you can talk about peeing on a baby on stage.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:06

Except for if you've actually done it.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:08

Except if that's I don't think he did, obviously. The whole thing is when you really start looking at a lot of his stuff, you're like, this is who you know, it's him being voyeuristic and and exhibitionistic when he's out there talking about all these things that he thinks about, and and no one not you know, there's very little pushing him back on the moral compass. You know, if if you were being pushed back on the moral compass, you would still be friends with Mark Marin.

unknown 1:31:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:36

And now they let him back on Netflix. Because the because the shitty people have all caught up to him, and you know, it's all the same, you know, that Tony Hitchcliffe's and all these characters. The who? Tony Hitchcliffe. You don't know who that is. I don't know who that is. He's one of the Rogan guys.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:54

And oh I I am so far patted myself on the back. I'm so far removed from that, I have no idea anything about that. Janet's always like, why are you watching this stuff?

SPEAKER_03 1:32:04

And it's like, because I need to understand. It's like I I'm trying to yeah, I'm trying to figure out what the F is going on.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:10

But I love Dave Chappelle and I watch Dave Chappelle's stuff, and I watch sure, and Dave Chappelle also does says some problematic things and gets into it with people. And but Dave said, you know, he'll stand on stage and put it, and he's like, you know, come at me, or whatever. And I don't know. But he's still in I watch one of his specials, and it's like they just are so funny. He I mean he's he's funny, but being funny was never a problem with him.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:39

But Louis's not funny anymore. Was I and listen, I know it's you can't ask this, but like, was he funny? I I think back to like some of the things like it's not as funny anymore. So I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:52

Well, you're well, also he made a whole movie called Call Me Daddy, I think it was, which was basically a thing about uh an older man and a younger woman having a relationship, and it was kind of a about Woody Allen and and just like there's so much stuff there's so much stuff that he wanted Woody Allen to play the the dude in the movie, and he made this movie right before the scandal, and then the movie got put on a shelf uh never to be released. Yeah, um but like if you're still looking, yeah. I love Woody Allen, I love his movies. I have not watched a Woody Allen movie since you sort of you know for sure, and he is a genius, and he's got a lot of problems, and so you know, you we all have to sort of weigh all those things out to make our decisions about what content and what content creators we can do.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:44

Yeah, for sure. And I know that I'm I'm often hypocritical in that. Like there are times where I'm like, oh, I separate the art and the artist. And I might Naomi yells at me all the time about it because she's like, You can't support them, and I'm like, Yeah, but it's great, you know. Um, so I am hypocritical.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:01

Yeah, it's throwing your uh uh Harry Potter books in the furnace. That's why you're saying I have it, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:34:07

And I'm like, I'm excited to watch the new show, see what they do with it. I I have problems, right? I get that, I totally understand that I am also problematic in that situation. But my thing is like when your problems influence your work, that's when I'm out. Yeah, like when I watch your work and I'm like, oh, I see your problems creeping through, then I delete you. And that's that's not a great way to do it. Like, I should make a stand, I understand all that, but sometimes, you know, no offense, everybody. Mel Gibson, great actor. Watched, I have watched every movie he's done ever, probably. So I don't know. I'm a problem.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:48

Yeah, it's and that's it's the same thing with Chappelle. It's like I read a lot of stuff into what Chappelle does that I think makes it so that he is doing more positive than negative. And that's the thing about it, is you know, it's like, but but well, that's that's almost responsible.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:04

You know, you can't say that about J.K. Rowling.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:07

Like she's not doing anything that's positive, and yet the issue is that J.K. Rowling Rowling made that stuff when she was a different person. You know, she there 100% there's definitely things that occur in people's brains where they go from being one thing to being a very different thing. God, what was the one guy? God, there's this one guy, one British guy um who worked on one of the big shows. Like um, God, I don't remember which show it is. He lost his mind. He literally lost his mind as a super anti-trans, he's a transphobe, and just every time he talks, it's it's you know, rolling rowling is a horrible person, but this guy's, you know, something happened in his brain. Oh, it's harsh.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:53

It is.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:54

So that's my thing about Louis.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:56

All right, yeah. Well, I'm not gonna watch it. So that's all I'll say about that. I'm not I'm not gonna finish it. There you go. There you go. Leave those minutes unwatched at a boy.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:06

And it's kind of helpful that he wasn't funny, so you were like, oh good, thank God.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:10

Sure, you're not you're not sad that you're like, well, I guess I gotta turn this off.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:14

Like, this guy's the greatest comedic genius that's ever lived. You're like, oh man, he's descended into thank you, Louis. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:24

Tough stuff. Tony, what do you got for us? Oh, right, I still have

What We Liked And Next Movie Tease

SPEAKER_04 1:36:29

to go. That was such an engaging conversation. Um, I'm gonna say two things. We watched the movie Office Romance, uh, done by the guy who plays Roy Kent. I feel so bad. Oh, I feel so bad. What's your name, Roy Kent? Uh hold on, I'm Googling. Brett Goldstein.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:47

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:49

Uh, it's him and JLo. Oh, it's not good. This is not me saying this is a good movie. Um, it's not bad. It's fine. There's some funny jokes. It's real weird. There's I won't if you're gonna know if anyone's gonna watch it. I'm not gonna spoil it, but there's the weirdest moment I've ever seen in the history of film. Uh, and I still laugh about it. Like, I we will just be doing something, and I'll look over like, hey, remember that one time? And that's that's it. You mean when he when he finds the room?

SPEAKER_01 1:37:19

Finds the room. Full of the stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:23

Oh, first of all, that is very funny. That's not it. Um no, no. If you don't want spoilers, don't where he's dressed up as something. That someone has someone has a baby.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:33

Oh, I didn't see it. Because I we watched this one clip show and they showed some clips from it, and we were like, oh, that looks different. But no, they didn't put they didn't put that in it.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:43

Okay, so if you if you're gonna watch it, close your ears for 30 seconds. I gotta tell Dan this. Okay, a woman has birth at the office, and he's like the one helping her, and you get to see a head come out of a vagina, just like pop out of a vagina. It's the craziest thing I've ever seen in my life. Obviously, not done like like there's no blood or anything. Like it's very, it's very clean. You've never seen a baby get birthed on you know, on screen like that, no. I've never watched that, I've never seen that happen in real time. No. You've never seen You've never seen a live birth on television? God no. First of all, what? But also, if it's on television, they're not showing the hoo-ha. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I've seen that multiple times. Okay. Well, not in a movie, not done comedically.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:35

Oh, maybe not. I haven't seen it done comedically.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:38

No, it's crazy. It's a it's a moment that will live it seared into my brain forever. And it's it's wild. Um, but it's the movie's super weird. It's very strange. It's a very strange movie. But we had a good time. Uh, and the other thing is I'm still watching World Cup. The drama. This is uh what a what I'm so sad that Kate Faraday lost to Argentina. It's quite a game. What a what a match, you know. I just it would have been so cool if they would have pulled it off. Yeah. Um, but it's been it's been really fun to watch. All right. I love I love it. Having a great time.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:16

All right, Dan.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:17

So we what a what stupid movie are we doing?

SPEAKER_03 1:39:20

We watched Anon a couple of weeks ago.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:23

We did, that's true. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:25

That guy's directed. Well, uh, jewels, our buddy in Australia, he said that the horrible woman, the terrible female actor with the jewels, yeah, director's wife.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:36

I told you. I mean, you said it as well, but I was like, that's his girlfriend, right? I let's roll back that tape because I'm pretty sure I said that's his girlfriend.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:48

Feels good to be right. It's pretty funny to we get to both be right. You're like, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:53

Let's go.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:54

So he's thank you, Juan. He's directed a lot of movies. Really? He he directed Gattaca, which was a very good science fiction movie. Oh, yeah, no, that's uh Ethan Hawk, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:40:07

Yeah, I remember that movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:09

He he also deliver directed another movie that is especially terrible. I think I've seen the whole movie. I think I have but it's so bad that you need to make us do it. We gotta do it because I really need to go top to bottom. Um Justin Timberlake in a rare dramatic role. This movie's called In In Time.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:41

And this is is this also Amanda? I think it's Amanda Seyfried. I wish I knew how to say her name. I think it is too, and she's in Anon. That's why I was saying that.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:51

Like Um In Time. We're gonna do in time next week. We gotta figure out when to do that because Tony's going on vacation.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:59

Going on a little vacation. I've earned it, you know. I work so hard, too.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:04

Uh we did get a comment, someone uh saying that K-Pax is a great movie, and Tony was right.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:11

So I I'm so sorry I didn't look down. You should warn me. Shout out to that person. You are number one in my book.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:20

Yeah, I can't. I what is I'm assuming you didn't watch the episode, otherwise he would now hate it because he would have listened to my arguments about what it is.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:27

Not a chance. We because we listen to you were like, oh damn, oh damn. We know we know K Pax is wonderful. You know what? Great work. That's my burner account, Dan. Was that really? No, no, it's not. I wish I wish I was that clever. Um I should just create like a bunch of burner accounts and just compliment myself on all of our videos. I'd be fine with that.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:52

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