Hate Watching Anon - Stick Gun Up! This is a Robbery...Of Your Time

A future where your eyes record everything should make crime harder, truth clearer, and privacy basically extinct. That is the promise of Anon, the 2018 Netflix sci-fi noir starring Clive Owen. We wanted to love the premise. Instead, we end up asking the most brutal question a tech thriller can face: if the movie cannot follow its own rules, why should we believe any of its stakes?

We break down the filmmaking choices that constantly pull us out of the story, especially the stiff first-person POV shots that feel locked to a tripod and the bizarre “gun on a stick” staging that makes tense scenes look like a dated video game. From there we dig into the bigger problems: a surveillance system that is sold as perfect but proves fallible almost immediately, hacking that seems to work differently in every scene, and a mystery that tries to hide the plot instead of building it. We also unpack the twist involving Cyrus and why the motivation never feels earned, plus the movie’s claim that everyone becomes numb and robotic in an always-recording world.

Along the way we hit a few tangents that fit the theme more than you would expect, including a wild story about ChatGPT being discussed in court, plus what we are watching for fun right now and what we are reviewing next. Subscribe, share the show with a friend who loves sci-fi movies, and leave a review. What is the one “future tech” idea you actually think is coming soon?

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Transcript

Cold Open And New Intro Ideas

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Oh my god. Oh, you just see yourself?

SPEAKER_01 0:05

Wow. No, Dan, because that would have been a look like this. Oh, you know, you know, you get it.

SPEAKER_00 0:34

Welcome to Hate Why Think with Dan and Tony. I'm Dan. I am Tony. You know, I was thinking about a new intro where it's like, doo doo doo.

SPEAKER_01 0:43

Sometimes you can't even remember our own intro. You know, I come up with new intros. I'm sorry, Katie. I would love to hear it, Dan. Pitch it to me.

SPEAKER_00 0:50

Well, the truth is I completely forgot what the new intro I was thinking. It's like, you know, like, Dan, it doesn't surprise the movies.

SPEAKER_01 1:04

I like it. I'm I'm on board. Okay. A few more iterations, a little bit longer in the cooker. I think you got something, Dan.

SPEAKER_00 1:13

On this show, uh, we not surprisingly, since we're we're we're creatures of Hollywood to talk about the movies.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

I thought you were gonna say habit, because that's also true. Creatures of habit who talk about the movies. There are creatures of habit.

SPEAKER_00 1:27

What was there was some terrible habit I had which I had to cut off.

SPEAKER_01 1:30

I don't remember what it was now. Is it being mean to me? Have you cut that off? Is that is that where we are? You know, I always watch like talk shows and things, and I'm like, I wouldn't be that way if I was on that talk show.

SPEAKER_00 1:43

I'd probably be very cruel to the host.

SPEAKER_01 1:45

Yeah. Which is fun. I think every not all the time, right? But I think on occasion, I think that would be fun. Mix up the energy. All the time. And if you were on Jimmy Fallon, it would be deserved. So that's all I'm saying. I watched that show for a long time and then I had to stop. No, I just're all mad at him. Did you hear about this?

SPEAKER_00 2:04

That was a habit. That was a habit. You know, I watched it every day. There you go. And then I there's the next day I didn't watch it, and I haven't watched it since.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

So and they what do they say? It takes 20, 21 days to break a habit or something. So good for you for sticking with it.

SPEAKER_00 2:18

No, it takes me a day to break a habit.

SPEAKER_01 2:20

It takes you just a switch. There's just a one moment in Dan's life where it's like, nope, I'm done with that. That's good. Okay, well.

Why Fallon’s Guest Choice Backfired

SPEAKER_01 2:28

I wish I had that.

SPEAKER_00 2:29

Before we go on to the movies, let's talk about why we're mad at Jimmy Fallon.

SPEAKER_01 2:34

Um, so he had a fairly bad person on the show. Uh Connor McGregor, who's I guess the story is very, very bad. It's really bad. Yeah, no, it's like terrible. And what's weird is like it's everybody knows, it's pretty well known. So I don't know why. Listen, I'm not I'm not gonna get into politics or anything, but I don't know why you would let that he has to have some moniker of control over guests.

SPEAKER_00 3:04

Oh, he has 100% control. But my question is, right? Connor McGregor, a footnote, right? He's I mean it's he's not doing I I saw I was gonna look at this because the wife and I were talking about this, and I was like, why is he even on the show?

SPEAKER_01 3:17

Yeah, nobody cares about him anymore. Like he's dead, right?

SPEAKER_00 3:21

Yeah, it's the fighters when they stop being fighters, you know, or stop participating in serious fights, you don't have them on the show anymore. You don't, you know, I mean yeah. I mean, if he was fighting at the stupid Trump thing or something like that, I'd be like, well, I suppose.

SPEAKER_01 3:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:40

Right.

SPEAKER_01 3:41

Someone's gotta have him on then, because that's a big deal. But guess what? Not invited to that because he sucks. Uh I yeah, I don't I can't, I don't know. I'll have to read into it, but I have no idea why he was on the show, other than just to be like piss people off, probably. Yeah, there you go. People pay people paid attention to the tonight show. There you go. Right. It's the first time in a long time, years probably, I've ever been like, I wonder what's going on on that show. So I guess, you know, there you go. No press is bad press. Is that there's no way that's true.

SPEAKER_00 4:13

They had a really um really good bit on on his show before didn't he have a show before he had the tonight show? Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. And it was like they dressed in the they had these wigs, and then they, you know, show us is they sang the song Show Us Your Look, and then they'd they'd bring a person from the audience and then they'd spray hairspray all over their hair and fuck up their hair. Or something like that. And then he'd do it with guest stars. I loved it, and it was all they were all they were all online and I would watch the watch the bits, and then at a certain point they just took them all off and threw them in the trash. Sounds about right. You're like, if you go to the the trouble of creating a great bit, why would you let them take you know, it's like he had to have some say in the bit disappearing, and you're like, Wow.

SPEAKER_01 5:00

You would think. Yeah. I don't know. So, anyhow, yeah, not bad guy.

SPEAKER_00 5:07

So,

Introducing Anon And Immediate Red Flags

SPEAKER_00 5:08

Tony, tell us about the movie you picked this week.

SPEAKER_01 5:10

I didn't pick it. Okay, let me be very clear. Not only did I pick it, I had never heard of this movie before. No one had. You mentioned it to me. Um, which is weird because the cast ish there. Yeah, there are people that I'm like, hey, I know your face. Um, this movie, what are they called? This was like a neo-noir piece of crap. Is that right?

SPEAKER_00 5:35

It's called Anon from 2018. 100 Minutes. Clive Owen. Our buddy Jules in Australia suggested this one now. Shout out, shout out, Jules. This uh this was a I think this is a good movie to do.

SPEAKER_01 5:50

Wait. Okay, thank you for finishing that sentence. That ellipses was ill timed because I was like, what? You're right.

SPEAKER_00 5:58

Yeah, this is a good movie to do. A little different than a lot of movies we do. Like, I think the think the problems with this movie are very different than the problems with a lot of the movies we do.

SPEAKER_01 6:08

Well, you're right about that. That's true. Although, I mean, just in general, it's bad. So that's a common theme. It's bad. It's made poorly, it's written poorly. Is it made? It looks bad. Is it look bad and is it made poorly? So here's what I'll my I'm okay.

The Locked-Off POV Problem

SPEAKER_01 6:31

I'm just gonna tell you my biggest problem, and then we don't have to talk about it ever again. I have lots of problems with this movie. It's a bad movie. You can talk about the biggest problem for an hour. My biggest problem with this movie, and it drove me crazy, and they do it a lot. That's my that's what's frustrating.

SPEAKER_00 6:48

Wait, I'm gonna guess. I'm gonna guess. Okay, you guess. You guess. It's putting a gun on a stick and then shooting like you're in first person. Is that what it is? Putting a gun on a stick.

SPEAKER_01 7:00

So and then it is kind of that, but the re but my biggest problem, the whole thing looks bad, right? It's like clearly a puppet. You have some a stick on the front of a camera with just a glove on it and a gun, and it's just like move, it doesn't move naturally whatsoever. But my biggest problem with all of that is that the camera is stable. Yeah, if I'm in a first-person view, especially when they're sitting down and they're interviewing subjects, yeah, and they cut to this first person view. I'm Clive Owen, he is so still, he can't, he doesn't move. The camera's locked on a tripod, and that's supposed to be a human head. Are you kidding me? That's not natural at all. And I understand that it would probably be a little jarring if it's always a little shaky, but it would be.

SPEAKER_00 7:48

Um there is a movie called Seconds, a John Frankenheimer film starring Rock Hudson from like maybe 1968 or so. And they did the same thing in that. They they You're so far off.

SPEAKER_01 8:02

It's 66, Dan. Continue.

SPEAKER_00 8:05

Oof, burn. Rough, tough one, dude. And they do a first person with him, and it was locked off like that. And you know, I probably saw this movie probably in the 80s, and just made me angry.

SPEAKER_01 8:17

You're just like as it should, because that's if you're gonna do a first-person view, it has to look like a first-person view.

SPEAKER_00 8:24

So there is a way to sort of do it with a little bit of bob and weave in there, just the tiniest bit of swag.

SPEAKER_01 8:30

It doesn't have to, yeah. I'm not talking Jason born, you know, shaky camera nonsense, but it has to breathe, it has to move a little. You're cutting from Clive Owen talking, hey, oh, I'm Clive Owen, right? He's moving around. I can't do access. And then you cut to his point of view, and it's still, it's completely still. That's not right, it doesn't work. You can't do it. I'm sorry, but also, yeah, the gun, fuck, dude. Looks so stupid. It's it's like a puppet, it's so bad. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like a first-person shooter almost, really. Kind of, except for I don't know if you've played a first-person shooter or what, but those guns move, bro. They move with hand movement. Like, oh really, it's not just oh, I'm on rails anymore. That's like Nintendo GameCube. Oh, 2006, guys. They now they move, they breathe, we reload, we see shit happen with the gun. It's uh it's embarrassing.

SPEAKER_00 9:28

How interesting that a that uh you know the video game guys they learned that no, it doesn't look good. It moves when you walk, like the guns do this now.

SPEAKER_01 9:37

This looks weird when I'm just doing it, but yes, it's yeah, it's it's bad. This is bad, bad filmmaking. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 9:46

Yeah, well, and it it takes you out of it, you know, and it's like it does. If you didn't it happens a lot, oh god, they do it all. I mean, it's it's all of those, it's it's all that stuff. Yeah, and and you know, whenever they go to it and you know they're shooting like naked lesbians, you're just like, you know, I want to enjoy these naked lesbians being shot. How dare you ruin the best part of your movies? Oh no, don't kill us. Oh no.

SPEAKER_01 10:15

I yeah, I mean, let's we could talk about that too. I you know, at this movie, ah boy. I there's so much I have so many thoughts flooding my head right now. It's rough. Nobody knows how to almost die. Nobody I I understand that we've never experienced it. I get that. True. But it's called acting, and you should act like you're about to get murdered a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 10:40

Okay, here's my question.

SPEAKER_01 10:41

What's your question?

SPEAKER_00 10:42

We got some lesbians. We have we have a high class lady at the beginning who gets some jewels stolen. Oh, right, yep. Um, we have a prostitute, and we have an ex-wife. Do you think that all of these people were hired because they were hot? I I just it felt like I won't say stunt casting, but it felt like being paid or or you know, the the it's it felt problematic. It did not feel like they went and found the right people for these roles. They just found people that were very attractive and very terrible at acting.

SPEAKER_01 11:28

I'm gonna tell you now I get to tell you a personal story, and this is a treat.

Casting, Nudity, And A Real Audition Story

SPEAKER_01 11:32

Thanks for opening this door to me. So I did a movie back at Minnesota. I won't I don't remember the name, it was Camp Something. It's a it was like a cheesy 80s horror throwback to like Friday the 13th summer camp movies. Yeah, it's not very good. I think Nate directed it. Um I won't say his last name, but he did he did a great job in some of the effects and stuff. It doesn't really matter. But there was one role that required nudity in the movie. Oh, yeah. No, no, now none of us were getting paid for this movie. It's a super low budget Minnesota indie movie.

SPEAKER_00 12:00

Was it your role?

SPEAKER_01 12:01

Yes, it was my role. My titties were out. I do. Um so what he did is at the auditions, oh no, is he would like before they even auditioned for the scene, he would say, Hey, just so you know, this role requires nudity. Do you feel comfortable? Nobody said yes until he started offering money. What do you mean? And so he's so none of our roles were paid, yeah, and no girl was willing to go topless for this movie because it's yeah, it's a terrible movie. So he was like, I think I'm gonna have to pay them. So he started, and this gets weird, right? So in the audition, so when he got the second round of auditions, he started being like, for $100, would you take your top up? And um not to be rude, because I think the the the young lady that we got was fine at best, but she certainly wasn't good. Yeah, she just happened to be the only person willing to go topless. She would go topless for a hundred bucks, and you she took what he could and she was. He had to base it on, will you go topless? Now, was that important for the movie? I don't know. You can argue yes just because it's an homage to 80s movies. But anyhow, it can't the stunting or the casting was a bit of a stunt cast because it's just are you willing to show your boobs on camera?

SPEAKER_03 13:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:27

So there's a chance that a lot of it is yes, Dan.

SPEAKER_00 13:31

Because I, you know, I mean, the acting in general and the rest well, okay. The acting in general, the rest of the movie is fine, but fine. These characters were especially bad.

SPEAKER_01 13:43

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 13:44

You know, correct. And and actually the first woman was by far the worst. Who and she was not topless or anything. She was just terrible.

SPEAKER_01 13:53

She's his girlfriend, probably. I'm just gonna throw this out. Direct, because the guy, the guy who did it, he's the writer, director. Oh, was he everything? I didn't. He wrote, direct, I think he did something else, maybe edited. I don't know. He had three titles in the credits.

SPEAKER_00 14:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:06

Um, he knows her. I don't care. I don't care what anybody says. He knows her. I don't know how, but it's a friend. Yeah, she was terrible. She's really bad. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:14

Okay, uh, so you're complaining about the first person bad photography. What were your other top top point uh hate hated things? Or this problematic things?

SPEAKER_01 14:25

Uh well, just in general, it doesn't make any sense. I still don't know why the bad guy did it. Do you? The girl? Or the dude? No, the dude. Spoiler alert, by the way, if you haven't seen the movie, there's a twist, and it's not who you think the killer is. Yes, they did tell us everything we needed to do. I mean, did we you're gonna need to explain it to me because even while you said that, I was like, what? Are you sure? I'll explain it to you.

SPEAKER_00 14:54

Okay. I I I think I have a fairly detail. It was it was they had to interesting, you really have to say this. They had to bury the plot in the script.

SPEAKER_02 15:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:08

That's not a thing you want to say. They had to bury the plot in there. So so when they gave you the plot, they they really tried to cruise through it as quickly as possible. Yeah. And yeah. So yes, I do believe I have I'll tell you, I'll we'll talk, we'll do the plot in the middle.

SPEAKER_01 15:26

I can't wait. I can't wait for that. Okay. My two other big problems are the system is already broken in the very first scene. Their societal system. Well, because Clive lets the thief go.

SPEAKER_00 15:41

Oh, well that yeah, that that well uh okay, that's separate.

SPEAKER_01 15:45

Is it separate? Because that'll talk about it. They set up a quarrel.

SPEAKER_00 15:49

Okay, we'll talk about that. Okay, we'll talk about that. We'll talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 15:51

Okay, what else? And then my other biggest problem is the the m how how the hacking works. Because I don't understand the rules. She's able to do it on the fly. Yeah, she does it on the fly. But it seems like it doesn't make any sense, but also it seems like it's almost a proximity-based thing sometimes, but then sometimes she can just do it whenever she wants. The reason why I say it's proximity is because she hacks Clive Owen in the subway as they're being as he's chasing her the first time, and then the next day he's like, I'll go undercover. She has no idea who I am. She was in your brain, sir. Unless somehow her hacking isn't an individual attack on him. But if you are hacking someone else's system, you sure as shit know who that is. So I I don't the system didn't make any sense to me. But here's

Google Glasses Future And Black Mirror

SPEAKER_01 16:51

what I will say, Dan. Yes, I think the concept is cool. I like the concept, and I think it would suit itself better in like novel form.

SPEAKER_00 17:01

Yeah. The quick comparable, of course, is the Black Mirror episode that deals with basic things. I don't have you watched all the Black Mirrors or some of them.

SPEAKER_01 17:11

Definitely not. No.

SPEAKER_00 17:13

There's one which I think might have been might have been part of the Christmas special. Um and what it is, everyone has the inputs in their eyes, right? You have a you have a so basically the premise of this movie is everybody has Google glasses in their eyes. Correct. So if I look at Tony, it says Tony, and then under that it'll just say loser. I'm like, all right. Got it. First of all, no, it wouldn't.

SPEAKER_01 17:37

It would say super cool dude. Let me just say real quickly, I love that you went Google glasses and not meta glasses. Good for you. Isn't that what we call them? Well, they're two different companies making two different glasses.

SPEAKER_00 17:51

But what do we call them? That's the question is what is what is society going to call them? Are they gonna call them Google Glasses?

SPEAKER_01 17:57

Or are they gonna call them metaglasses? I hope I hope it's not meta.

SPEAKER_00 18:01

I think there's enough people that say Google glasses already. I think it's gonna be Google glasses, even though metaglasses probably better.

SPEAKER_01 18:09

Shh, they don't say that out loud, Dan.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

No, I mean I would rather be saying, I mean, I know 100%. Stylistically, I'd rather say metaglasses. Google glasses sounds really stupid, so that's probably the better one.

SPEAKER_01 18:20

Can we just call them smart glasses? Because that nobody likes that. That's too dumb.

SPEAKER_00 18:24

That's where we started, and I don't think that's happening. We up, we already moved past it.

SPEAKER_01 18:29

Okay. I think we're already past that.

SPEAKER_00 18:31

So everybody has Google Glasses, and then everybody's stuff is stored, right? So basically, your whole life, you record your whole life, and then if you think about it, if you see her go like, hmm, remember when I went on a picnic? You can go back and watch that picnic through your through your own eyes. Um, where the stuff is stored, we don't ever talk about that. How this stuff is all stored, we don't talk about that. Right. Why can't the government when it's when it you know, since it's stored somewhere, why that can't the government just download that and print it out? Nah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 19:08

Amen. Amen to that.

SPEAKER_00 19:10

So basically the whole tech of this show is is uh you know, plot derivative. You know, it's like, well, we want to be able to do this, so that's happening. Um okay, so everybody has Google Glasses. In the Black Mirror, the same thing, you get the lenses, and then it's a man and the wife, and then for whatever reason they have problems, and I think it's a man and a wife, maybe it's boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever. Um she blocks him. And what happens when she blocks him? Uh-oh. He no longer can see her. He can't see her, and she's like a blur. She's like a and I think we do that with the voice also, so he can't understand her. So it's like a peanuts. Okay. It's the peanuts filter. Um and you know, it goes from there. So super, super interesting premise. And in like, you know, I believe in a 20-minute, half an hour Black Mirror, you're like, okay.

SPEAKER_01 20:12

100%. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:13

This one posits the world, everyone has their emotions have gone away because of this, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 20:19

And they all I mean, is that what they're saying? Because that's for sure how the acting is. I just wasn't sure if that was a statement or just it happened. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 20:29

So they're positing that we will all become kind of robots that walk around like dot dot dot dot dot dot so weird. And not live lives and not care about anything, and you know, we'll turn watch watch, you know, the the latest uh Arnold Schwarzenegger movie while we're having sex and you know, all kinds of really sort of dumb things. I didn't even think about that. That's so our boy in the movie, Clive Owen, is a detective. Our boy. And there's a person that is killing people, but they're also like sort of erasing the crime so that we can't we can't catch the person. So eventually we figure out, or we we f we we seem to think that it's this woman that's doing it because she is a person who cleans up memories, and then we're thinking, but we what we find out is that the people that are all dying are people whose memories she already cleaned up. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 21:33

Okay, so that's the part of the movie where I'm like, Wow, what why is that part of it?

SPEAKER_00 21:38

First of all, and why was she we're just told that that's the one thing we have this one scene where Clive Owen and and his guy that's sort of his boss, yeah, they're like, Well, she's definitely cleaning up people's memories, and then she has sex with them, sex with them, and then she comes back later and murders them. Like what? They give us all this information with with no proof of that, or no nope, no reason why they could would had got there.

SPEAKER_01 22:10

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 22:10

And so if you know when you think about it now, you're like, well, the person who's killing those people is someone that's jealous of her, you know, having sex with those people. It's not hers. That is correct. Why would she have sex with these people and then then come back later and kill them? That's just doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_01 22:27

The only thing that made me mad is they didn't give her like a cool nickname, like the praying mantis. Like if that's the if that's the what we're going with, like give her a cool moniker, you know? Well, um, so dumb. It didn't make any sense to me. I was like, well, how do you first of all how do you know she's having sex with these people? Did they tell us how they knew that? Nope.

SPEAKER_00 22:45

I don't I don't think I didn't see I you know when they gave that whole explanation. I'm like, wait, what? What's happening? What why are we why in that? Did you just say having sex with them? Yeah, like how do you know she had you know, like that it was her clients? You could have said that. Sure.

SPEAKER_01 23:01

But which, yeah, which we know, and that would have made sense. Just be like, oh, all the people that she's erased are now being murdered. Got it. That's a that's a very clear link. But then just be like, and I think she had sex with all of them. I don't know for sure. I have no evidence, but I'm pretty sure she had sex with them.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

What are you talking about? So the other thing is is she works through proxies, I guess. I don't yeah. My assumption was what this meant was she's bouncing the signal around. That's the feeling I got. I think that's right.

SPEAKER_01 23:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:37

And so the dude basically the dude that is killing the people that she had sex with, I think, was someone that she sort of routed through. And then he's also sort of a hacker. So then he at a certain point was able to now watch the videos of what she was doing. And now and he got jealous and started killing the people she was having sex with, as opposed to just a weird thing. Enjoying watching it while at home. Which sounds like this episode.

SPEAKER_01 24:12

That's that's yeah, I'm listening if all of a sudden, because I, you know, you got your magic eyes on, if all of a sudden, boom, hot girl having sex just pops into my head, I'd be like, okay, I guess that's what we're doing now. That's fine. I'm not gonna be like, well, I think I love her, and now I'm gonna kill all the people she had sex with. That's such a weird leap to make. Well, I'm not gonna hinder her sending these signals to my to my eyes. I'm not gonna tell anyone I'm getting them because keep it beaming in, but I'm not gonna get a weird attachment to it.

SPEAKER_00 24:45

What video game are you playing over there? Uh Pokemon. Yeah, don't worry about it. It's very good. I mean, understand. Yeah, you know, I mean, there's probably a more organic way that we could have set up that this guy was doing that.

SPEAKER_01 25:04

And and why I guess we just come up with something slightly different because that's a weird plot to me. I maybe that's just me. It's just super weird. And I and also as weird is I do need to see it a little bit. I don't need to see you know her having more sex. She does that plenty in the movie. Does she? But uh I need uh doesn't she do it once? With him, yeah. Her and Clyde. Yeah, her and Clyde do it one time. We never saw any of the sex with the other dudes. 100%. I'm just saying I need I need a moment of seeing this guy once he's revealed as the killer or something, he needs to have some sort of moment with his eye fetish. I don't know. But did the whole thing just felt stupid to me. So did she have sex with the lesbians? Cool. I that's a good point. I don't understand. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 25:57

Full disclosure. I have no idea. Do you think the director probably shot all those sex scenes and then was like, yeah, we're we're not gonna use them?

SPEAKER_01 26:06

I mean, like, I'm gonna keep them on the shelf uh just in case we have to do any recuts, but uh, we're not gonna use it. I just I don't understand. I don't I don't understand the plot. And this is what I mean, like, I I know that they told us those things, Dan, but I'm saying I don't understand that motivation at all. And I don't see it at all. There's no moment where it's like, oh, he's in love with her. Even at the end, when he's like, oh, we're one or something weird that he said. I was like, what are you talking about? And then he falls in love with her or doesn't fall in love with her? Or doesn't, I have no idea. It's not it's not done well. No, it's not done well.

SPEAKER_00 26:52

Um, I think the thing that I found most annoying is the concept that in a world with all this stuff, everyone's gonna become zombies and have no emotions. Because the world we live in, we have all this pretty much. People are not a bunch of zombies. People are here instead of here.

SPEAKER_01 27:13

It's only about six inches different, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 27:16

And still everybody's getting pissed off, and the world rages, you know, if you do the right-tworld will rage on your ass so hard, harder than it's ever had before. And it think tensions are much higher now than they were in the past. For sure. So the idea that this this Google Glass's future, that everyone's gonna be zombies classify us.

SPEAKER_01 27:40

Yeah, nope, definitely not. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. And they say, I think they say something like crime is at a minimum or something. I'm like, I don't believe that for a second. There's no way that that's true. That people are gonna just get worse and worse and worse, and it it'll be bedlam.

SPEAKER_00 27:59

We watch things, we watch the the body cam with the police and the the all the crime shows. We watch all the crime shows. They do it right in front of the cameras.

SPEAKER_02 28:11

Oh, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 28:11

Yeah, they don't care. They're like they're like, oh, we're coming out of there, we're gonna kill you, and then we're you know, I'm s we're we're watching this other oh, we'll watch this other show, which we'll talk about at the end. And they they caught the bad guys because the bad guys had been sitting in front of the guy's place before they beat him up. And they, you know, they were waiting for him to show up. And they were like they're like eating their dinner and they like threw out a milk carton. The police collected that milk carton and and put it in evidence for two and a half years. Wow. Before going back and pulling a fingerprint off of it to work to work up this other case. And you know what the lesson there is, Dan? Don't litter, folks. Don't litter. Take care of your trash. Um, yeah, so the the whole positing of this this mindless world where everybody drives around in quiet cars and and every street is empty of cars. Yeah, they're cool cars. Um and and everyone's just like having sex with high class hookers and all this no. You you have to you have to set up that there's an overclass and an underclass. And there was this everything was overclass. And I'm like, well, huh? Who who you know? We have one maid in there, and it's like, well, there's there's there's but they have to ride on buses and you know, all these people that have to do all this thing. They're not living in these these no, but we don't deal with any of that.

SPEAKER_01 29:41

Not at all. No Tony, do you have any? Should we start the movie?

SPEAKER_00 29:49

Um we start with a stupid poem, and the last part of it's I want to be forgotten by God.

SPEAKER_01 29:56

Yeah, I so um let me read what I wrote as my first note. Uh-oh. I don't even understand the poem at the beginning. I'm in real trouble. That's what I wrote. But then it turns out the movie's not that smart. I thought maybe it was gonna be smarter. It's not. So you're fine, folks.

SPEAKER_00 30:16

I did a poem at the front of one of my stories, and I think it was just fortune favors the bold. You gotta, you gotta get to get to the point when you do the poem.

SPEAKER_01 30:26

Get to the meat of it. All right. Yeah, because I I'm reading five stanzas. I don't know what's going on. I don't know what a stanza is, but I I think it's in poetry, so you know, tough. It's tough to read.

SPEAKER_00 30:39

Our guy leaving the subway. I wrote Google Glasses, names, profession, all suits. There's French signs, there's Japanese signs. You can virtually try on clothes. He walks by this one lady, which I didn't realize was our main lady because she's wearing a wig the whole time. Not a great attractive wig, but not a great wig.

SPEAKER_01 31:02

You're like, she's wearing a wig. Oh a hundred percent, yeah. So, you know, I know that it's bad to dye hair, but unless she's wearing a wig in the movie, maybe just dye the hair. You know what I mean? I don't know. That's just a me thing.

SPEAKER_00 31:17

Yeah. You know, or have her take off the wig at some point.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

That's what I mean. Like, unless it's there for a reason, like is she hiding her real identity in the movie? Great, then I'm on board. But if I'm looking at a person, I'm like, why is she wearing a wig right now? And then it's not a wig in your movie, that's weird to me. You gotta take that wig off, and then she's like, does that super sexy, like off with the wig, there's the blonde hair, woof, woof, woof. We're like, oh Dan Clive removes his toupee, and then he's got a nice bald spot, and you got a great moment. Bald as fuck.

SPEAKER_00 31:49

Um, his name is Sal. He goes into a concrete building, he smokes. Uh it's just like it's just like this dumb affectation. You're like, you know, do you ever eat? Yeah, and part of you is like, oh, they're trying to imply that this is all like a fairy tale. You're like, that's dumb. Yeah, it is dumb. Yeah. Um so oh, he's got like a I don't know if you okay. So we we watched this one guy jump off of a building? I don't even know what that was about.

SPEAKER_01 32:26

Oh, he's interrogating somebody, and it's like his son or something jumped off a building. I I'm not totally sure.

SPEAKER_00 32:35

I don't even know what that was about. Dad cries. I think he was just solving crime. So we're just he's going through. Oh, I see. So this this kid jumped, and so we want to find out about it, so we just watch the kid jump. Oh, okay, then we do a one, okay. This is

The System Breaks In Scene One

SPEAKER_00 32:48

the one we have to talk about.

SPEAKER_02 32:49

Yeah, we do.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

Rich woman has her jewels gone missing, so she's like, I think the maid stole them. Then they he runs a clip of the maid's memory, maid's memory, and it shows that she didn't steal them, and then he's like, eh, go fuck yourself. She leaves, and then he's like, haha, I didn't show her where the maid stole the jewels.

SPEAKER_01 33:11

The necklace just three minutes earlier, apparently. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:15

What? This right, this is a character. Exactly. This is what we call a character moment. And this has to tell us about because they're not gonna tell us anything else about the character except that he has a or a dead character ever again. I know. This is the big character moment. We're like, oh, he's he's like, fuck the system, the system is broken, you know, we gotta, you know, this this is all about him breaking, you know, it's like Fahrenheit 451. Do you know what that is? I mean, I know that it's a book.

SPEAKER_01 33:47

Uh I know it's by Ray Bradbury.

SPEAKER_00 33:49

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_01 33:50

Okay. That's about all I got.

SPEAKER_00 33:51

Fahrenheit 451. In the future, fireman, instead of putting out fires bird books. Okay. The main fireman, our main guy, whatever his name is, he has a good name. I don't remember it. He brings a book home, starts reading.

SPEAKER_01 34:07

Spoiler alerts, everybody. Oh, yeah. Don't listen to this if you have a red Ferrari 450.

SPEAKER_00 34:12

So he starts reading the books and then, you know, comes into conflict with his profession. And he's like, oh wait, books are cool.

SPEAKER_01 34:19

I mean, I get it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:21

That's very relatable. Okay. You know, that's you know, great story, great, you know, does everything, and that's why, you know, sure. Brad Barry wrote the book, and that's that's his book. Uh, you know, that's the you you write something that good, you you know, you're you're you're going to forever you because yeah, it means something. It's like, okay, I I can explain this book in 30 seconds, and you're like, oh, I get it. For sure. Um, just like this movie. This movie.

SPEAKER_01 34:48

Is that why you're saying you're you're bridging the two because it's the same? Oh, God.

SPEAKER_00 34:52

But here's his character moment. Okay, he's against the system, right?

SPEAKER_01 34:55

He's he's breaking the rules for no also the system pretty fallible then, because there's no there's no bounds. No one is uh looking at that and being like, hey, hey, that's wrong. You're doing that wrong, guy. He could just do whatever the frick he wants. That's not even a system.

SPEAKER_00 35:14

That's why we have two people on the podcast, so I can say, Tony, you got it wrong, and I think correct the record, right?

SPEAKER_01 35:22

Thank you. Thank you for keeping me honest.

SPEAKER_00 35:24

Going to jail. Tony's like, let her go, let her go, Dan. And I'm like, no, jail for her.

SPEAKER_01 35:29

That's right. Believe it or not, jail. And then what's interesting is they have his counterpart there, and his counterpart's like, well, hey, you didn't show the part where she literally did the crime. And then Clive's like, well, yeah, but uh, did you see the part where later she used it to pay rent? So therefore, crime's okay. Sorry. Nope. Not allowed. It was very weird. Ridiculous. So stupid. Yeah. So immediately I'm like, okay, well, the system doesn't work. No, so later, later, they're like, well, the system is perfect. It's the only thing we got. So, Clive, now we believe that you murdered somebody because the system told us that and it's perfect. But they've already proved it's not. I it's just it the whole thing unravels within two minutes to me.

SPEAKER_00 36:18

Yeah. Um, then I think we do a murder. Do we even do a murder too? Guy shot guy, bird's eye view an hour earlier. He was in the bar, and oh, I think he sends it. He had a discussion, so one guy sent the other guy to shoot the guy or something. I don't know. They do a plea agreement or something. All this stuff means nothing. They're just trying to set up the system.

SPEAKER_01 36:40

Yeah, there's basically like one guy pulls a gun and the other guy's pulling out a notebook or something. And then so that's pretty damning evidence. So they're like, I guess we'll plea out. Yeah. And I'm like, no, you're guilty. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_00 36:55

So now we begin the whole thing. He drives this new murder, it's this dude, and there's stuff that oh, he was his record was blocked, and then they unblock it, and then it's glitchy, and then the killer hacks him, and then he says, Um, the who can hack a human being? Okay, so now we're we're presented with the idea that someone can hack in because the what the shooter does is they change their viewpoint with your viewpoint. So you're watching a guy come at you with a gun, but yeah, I don't buy it. You're seeing a gun come towards you or something.

SPEAKER_01 37:35

Here's why I don't believe it.

SPEAKER_00 37:36

I don't believe it.

SPEAKER_01 37:38

Everyone, every single one of those scenes where it's the killer, and the the the movie posits that the killer puts their POV into your eyes as they come and kill you. That's what they're that's what they're saying. Right? Yeah, right. So why does every single one of these people that get murdered act like they're blind? It's as if they don't see anything. They're not looking to try to figure out the orientation, they do, they're looking around. They're like, what's happening? What's happening? It's so weird. I'd like to go like this. I you would start trying to figure out where the lines are, and then you would start swathing, you would do anything. A gun is coming at you, you just have to figure out which direction it is. The every single one of these people looks around as if they're blind, like they don't they don't know anything. It's so weird. The directing of these scenes is awful. It's so bad. And this is my other biggest problem with the movie is all of these scenes that people don't know how to act. And I don't even know if I blame them entirely because the director needs to be like, no, no, no, no, that's not what's happening. This is what's happening. They don't they don't know. None of these people know. It drove me crazy. They show it there's like six or seven murders, and it's so bad. If you were looking at yourself, you'd be like, Right.

SPEAKER_00 39:10

Good looking. Uh I don't know. It is weird. It is weird. You'd probably want to have some Google Glasses. You want to set it up, and you know, you probably you probably want to do some do it a few times, right? Have somebody come at you with a gun and then put some goggles on where you see what's what's happening, and then you see what you do. Because I I I really you you don't know what you you don't know what you'd do.

SPEAKER_01 39:38

I know what I wouldn't do, Dan, and that's this. What's happening? What's happening? Don't shoot me. It's ridiculous. The only person that does it right is Clive at the end of the movie. He's able to figure out where it is.

SPEAKER_00 39:52

He's trying to he's trying to gauge it.

SPEAKER_01 39:54

You can see him gauge it. And that's what any human would do. Some something like that. It's weird.

SPEAKER_03 40:00

It's weird.

SPEAKER_01 40:01

Um, anywho. Who could hack a human being? A lot of people, it turns out, because later throughout this movie, they're like, there's a lot of ciphers, there's a lot of people that do this. What are you talking about? Then why is this a big deal?

SPEAKER_00 40:15

I don't understand. Yeah, it's they they set up that this this person that's doing this is the only one that could do this sort of a thing. And then it's then they're not. And then we have like a drug dealer, and the drug dealer is the same as her, where he nothing comes up, and you're like, and he doesn't he can't see you either.

SPEAKER_01 40:35

Right. And I don't even under fully understand what they're talking about.

SPEAKER_00 40:39

Uh well, I mean, he's not making a record of what's happening, basically.

SPEAKER_01 40:42

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 40:43

So he's not recording what's happening, and you're like, well, that he's just a stupid Joe Blow drug dealer.

SPEAKER_01 40:50

He's just yeah, he's just a street criminal. Not to not to belittle all you drug dealers out there. It's not a knock on you. It's just like you're not a high-class white caller. Yeah. I don't know. It's weird. It just seems like now all criminals can do it.

SPEAKER_00 41:03

Yeah. Um once once you introduce someone else doing it, you're like, well, it's not that unique. That means you can do it.

SPEAKER_01 41:10

Um it seems it seems relatively easy now that we're talking about it.

SPEAKER_00 41:14

It seems uh, yeah. Uh he goes, so he brings up the sexy girl he saw on the street that didn't have a file, which that's a pretty huge coincidence that he would have run across her walking in a big street because she doesn't do that. First of all, she explains she stays in the shadows.

SPEAKER_01 41:30

She never leaves, she never goes out, she doesn't like to be seen except for by Clive Owen in the middle of a street.

SPEAKER_00 41:35

You know that you mean she would have gotten in a taxi, or she would not have been wandering the streets. Seems unlikely. Um, okay, he goes home, there's a rat outside his apartment that he has some sexy time. Um, but instead of watching the person he's having sexy time with, which is sort of his girlfriend, he's watching the dark haired girl. Don't know why.

SPEAKER_01 42:00

Yeah. I mean, it's like it's the it's the next step in the the whole like oh the cops never fully in their relationship because they're always thinking about the stuff. But instead of thinking about it, he just gets to watch it and then they're like, well, what if he's having sex while he does it? That's funny. It's all weird, it's all super weird.

SPEAKER_00 42:19

I'm not watching my day, my general day, right?

SPEAKER_01 42:25

I don't I don't wanna listen. I I'm not bored during the sex, you know what I mean? Like, I'm not doing other things because I'm like, this is the best part of my week right now. So I don't get it.

SPEAKER_00 42:37

It's a little weird. And if like you're gonna make him obsess over her, he has to he he never really even obsesses over her. He's just kind of like, eh, I'm kind of interested.

SPEAKER_01 42:47

No, he needs to be way too into it almost immediately. Like, he needs to be obsessed with her, and then when they meet, he needs to be like, fuck. I need I want you. You know what I mean? Like, not in a creepy way, but he has to be invested because then when they do sleep together, I'm kind of like, this is weird. You're not you're just doing it to get murdered. Like, I don't know. It's all weird. Yeah. He needs to get in too deep, and then that's what one of the reasons he believes that she's innocent, you know.

SPEAKER_00 43:17

Well, not even beliefs doesn't matter. That's the whole thing. He just has to be obsessed. Yes. Um, and it has to be a relationship. We have to feel like there's some sort of relationship going on between them. But there's no relationships between anyone in this movie because you know that his girlfriend just like says and she leaves, and he's like, ah, ah well. Oh, oh well, it's cool. Didn't like you anyhow. He goes into work and then they start figuring out that this girl is is erasing uh parts of these people's memories. Yeah. Um on the street, his boss eats a hot dog. Um then they realize that she She's now edited herself out of his memories. So she's they can't even get her. And then this is where I wrote, and so they don't even know what she looks like. And I was like, why don't you just hire a police sketch artist to draw a picture of her?

SPEAKER_01 44:13

Well, that AI took that job, Dan. Okay. There are no sketch artists anymore because we have video surveillance in our eyes.

SPEAKER_00 44:22

He's at home and he starts watching his dead kid. I guess his kid died when he took his eyes off him for a second, and the kid followed a balloon into the street and got hit by a car.

SPEAKER_01 44:35

But did he didn't really follow the balloon? The balloon was just already in the street. The balloon. Just according to that shot. Lured him into the street to his test. It's almost as if it, Pennywise the Clown, just like put a little balloon in there. It was like, come out and play. And then the kid got run over.

SPEAKER_00 44:52

And I I hate it when they do the line, uh I I I didn't pay attention for one second or something like that. And it's like, so what what you basically have to do is look at your child 24-7 because they're gonna just die if you don't do that.

SPEAKER_01 45:10

Well, that is a that is my fear, right? You know? That's what we call helicopter parenting.

SPEAKER_00 45:17

Yeah, and it's too much. You have to, you know, when when your dog is, you know, I I used to be that way with the dog. Now we're on our third dog. I let the dog walk around the house. That's it, though.

SPEAKER_01 45:30

That's it.

SPEAKER_00 45:31

You can walk around for a while. Call the ex-wife, she's there, and Conrad is there. Why is he always there when I call you? It's like, well, huh? Lay off time.

SPEAKER_01 45:42

What are we talking about?

SPEAKER_00 45:43

Like, what so we are never gonna see Conrad again in this movie, and we're taking time to get pissed off at Conrad.

SPEAKER_01 45:50

So what's weird is that I didn't understand that in order to make a call, you had to be looking in the mirror. Did you notice this? No. Because the only way that the person can see you is if you are seeing yourself in the mirror. I'm pretty sure this is what they were saying. Oh, okay. It was very weird because both times that he calls her, he has to go to a mirror. I don't know. Maybe that's why people. But it was super weird. And he's like, why is he always there? I was like, because she's in the bedroom, dude. It's his house, too. They live together, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I don't know. Also, just for the record, if you murder your kid, probably don't continue to call your wife and be like, hey, he's dead. I killed him. Sorry. Make me feel better.

SPEAKER_00 46:39

No, fuck you, dude. Do better. It's kind of like rubbins, you know. Ah, I got him killed. So what?

SPEAKER_01 46:48

It's been 10 years since I threw our kid into the street. You remember that? Huh?

SPEAKER_00 46:52

Um I mean, it's a weird thing. Then we we cut to like these two naked ladies getting murdered.

SPEAKER_01 46:59

But just unceremonious. Like it's I didn't understand what was happening.

SPEAKER_00 47:04

He's looking in the mirror talking to his lady. I thought that was the wife. I thought he was watching a video of the wife in a lesbian relationship. Because all the women kind of look the same.

SPEAKER_01 47:14

That's true. Oh, that's an interesting. You're not wrong. Uh, yeah, no, it's it's such a weird jarring cut. All of a sudden there's just two ladies going at it. I'm like, what? Where who? What's happening?

SPEAKER_00 47:27

So what it is is this is the next murder, and I guess our hacker woman had sex with the lesbian woman for some unknowable reason.

SPEAKER_01 47:35

We don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 47:37

More importantly, why why doesn't our girl just have sex with people that aren't her clients? That'd probably be the solution to the problem, right?

SPEAKER_01 47:45

That would be smart because you're getting too close. You know what I mean? You shouldn't be mixing business and pleasure. There's a rule against.

SPEAKER_00 47:52

Well, you got five murders of people that you had sex with and were also clients.

SPEAKER_03 47:56

No, no!

SPEAKER_00 47:57

Stop doing it! No, don't don't, you know, don't shit where you poop. Isn't that the sense?

SPEAKER_01 48:04

Well, no, it's where you eat. Because if you don't shit where you poop, you're doing nothing. Don't shit in your food. Please don't. It's it ruins it.

Hacking Rules That Never Add Up

SPEAKER_00 48:15

So he goes to the place, there's a rookie cop there, there's a housekeeper, and then it turns out that that the bad person's still there. Uh the bad person kills a cop, and then we do a chase in the subway, and then they make the the person takes control of his eyes, right? Messes with the stairs, makes a fake train, um, all on the fly while running away in reprogramming his eyes.

SPEAKER_01 48:44

Yeah. This is like Neo Post Matrix, so good at controlling the world. It's in it is wild how good she is. Now, I'm confused on two things. One, this is her, because he's chasing her, and we are you sure? He's chasing the he's chasing Lucius or whatever his name is. Oh, I thought for sure we saw her. Okay. Lexicon. So here's the other thing I'm confused about. Cyrus. Cyrus, the virus. Cyrus. He falls down the stairs. Yeah. You could kill him instantly. Well, first of all, yes. I mean, he might have died anyhow. I don't know. I fell down the stairs and it really messed me up one time. Yeah, you fall down a bunch of stairs. You're not doing, you're not, that's it. You're not doing anything. You're hurt. You're late. He's not young. Okay. He's not 18, bouncing back. He's crutching it the rest of the movie. Yeah, I don't know. I twisted my ankle. I can't walk on it for six weeks. I don't know. Nobody does anything. Nobody moves. All the people in the subquest.

SPEAKER_00 49:47

They're watching sex or movies. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:50

That's weird. Pokemon gun. I don't know. And then he pulls a gun and he's pointing the gun everywhere. No one reacts. Yeah, because they're all desensitized to everything. That's not that can't be a gun. I'm sorry. I'm never going to become desensitized to someone pointing a gun at my face. I don't know. It's just weird. What if it's on a stick? I mean, if it is on a puppet stick, maybe. Maybe. Let's find out. Let's try it.

SPEAKER_00 50:19

For some reason, now we do an in the club scene where she's like dancing with a bandit. Right? She's dancing with a bandit.

SPEAKER_01 50:26

And we never come back to it. It's it's eight seconds of her dancing, and then we're on to the next thing. We never talk about it. We never see that again. I have no idea what it is.

SPEAKER_00 50:37

Yeah. So now we set up, now we go to the office, and we set up the lesbian woman, and then her she's a senator's daughter, and she's a Christian, and uh like why?

SPEAKER_01 50:49

Who cares?

SPEAKER_00 50:50

This is where we drop all the information that she's erasing clients, getting paid in cash, having sex, and then killing them, and then rewriting what they see. And they all think this plan makes sense. Well, they I mean they they somehow they have all that information from the from what we've what we've seen so far.

SPEAKER_02 51:10

There's no way that that's right.

SPEAKER_00 51:13

So our our plan is what we're gonna do is we're gonna set up Clive Owen as a a banker or something, and then we're gonna give him a month's worth of things. Memories, yeah, and then he's gonna call a high-class call girl, have sex with her, feel guilty about it, and then go to the dark web, and then get in touch with our hacker to fix that, and then he goes, so we we do that month, and then he starts he starts having people from the dark web come over, and then if they fit the profile, then they're the person. Get the first person, it's like this dude that's like and this other person that's like me.

SPEAKER_01 51:53

It's yeah, it's weird. It's weird, but also just goes to show there's other people that can do what she does.

SPEAKER_00 51:59

So then we set up Lester's like okay, we set she calls, she texts him, she's like, ah, my name is her name is Anon, which is for anonymous. Oh it took me a long time to get it too. But that was the point I was like, oh, I get it. She's anonymous. I get it. Oh, stupid. So it's pretty dumb. Good thing that they do is Lester, his his sort of partners in the apartment next door to him, and so when he's gonna go out to meet her, he taps on his door so that there's no digital footprint. Yeah. Sure. Okay. Oh, look at you. Oh, wow. But we also set up a thing, it's like, well, why don't you just have independent cameras that aren't on a network?

SPEAKER_01 52:49

No, no, no. You want like some sort of CCTV closed circuit? I don't think so. Okay, not gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00 52:57

Can't work that way. Um, so they meet, and then she's like, cash only, but let's go back to your apartment to talk. I don't know why she didn't just meet him in his apartment. Who knows? They go back to the apartment, she's hacking him, cleaning it up, and he is just asking the most evasive qu not invasive questions.

SPEAKER_01 53:18

Invasive, yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 53:19

Just like, you know, so what's her social security number?

SPEAKER_01 53:23

Oh, mother's maiden name, uh, just checking. Okay, great. So it's so weird.

SPEAKER_00 53:31

It's so bad. He doesn't act like he's you know, when you're worried about something, you know, there's another Black Mirror episode, which is the I think the only one I never have watched. Because Wow, okay. It's a kid, 16-year-old kid, and he's like watching like the naked ladies on his computer, and then the well, unfortunately, his his camera is on, so they're filming him, and then they start blackmailing him.

SPEAKER_01 53:59

Oh, that's no fun. That's I was thinking, I part of me was like, is this like a weird science situation where he gets to like those ladies will come to life for him? Nope, it's a bad thing. This Black Mirror show, man, it's so negative.

SPEAKER_00 54:12

It's so negative. And you know, you just like you just you you, you know, you're you you're right there in the shame, the embarrassment, but also the blackmailing where you're like, ah, they're gonna ruin my life. And those those are things that cause people to, you know, life spiral out of control. Terrible things happen.

SPEAKER_01 54:29

Yeah, yeah, bad stuff.

SPEAKER_00 54:30

But he's like, ah, yeah, later on, she's like, you don't seem like you have a girlfriend or that you even care.

SPEAKER_01 54:38

Right. Which he does not, by the way, and he's not good at faking it. That's correct. And yet she doesn't care. She doesn't care. As a criminal, you have to be one to three steps ahead of the good guys. She is not concerned at all about this guy asking personal questions on their first meeting, asking her to do this weird thing. Like, uh, she needs to be way more on edge around this guy. It's weird.

SPEAKER_00 55:04

So she basically does the magic thing that no one can do, and then uh let's see, this uh she hacks him. Uh Lester's trying to hack her, she's fixing him and her. They were she's like, What should I replace it with? Should I make you alone in the apartment? She's a fixer, and then and then he's sort of talking to her, and he's like, How'd you get into this business? And she's like, I don't want to exist. And then she pulls out a gun, because she has that big gun with her.

SPEAKER_01 55:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:36

Does she have the same? I guess the bad guy would have bought the same gun as the gun she already owns.

SPEAKER_01 55:41

Yeah, because it's definitely the same gun. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:43

Turn around, then look away, and then she she leaves, and then Lester had hacked her, and he got her fifth proxy. That's what he says. I got her fifth proxy. I don't know what that means, but I'm assuming it's bouncing the signal around, and so he's kind of close.

SPEAKER_01 55:57

Um close, but still far away. You know, like fifth isn't great. Tony How's not as good as one.

SPEAKER_00 56:03

How hard would it have been for him to reach out and grab her? Physically?

SPEAKER_01 56:10

Yeah. Pretty easily. She was less than a foot away, I would say, give or take. Uh, well, because it's a trap, Dan. You see, they have she hasn't had sex with him yet, so he's still waiting for level two, you know? You gotta go through the whole thing. You can't just be like, oh hey, you're it's we may have all of this evidence that we already know that you you you do their job, you have sex with them, and then you kill them. We have all the evidence we need, but we really need to see it in person. So we have to wait. Don't have to tell you something about the police. Oh, okay. Tell me. Tell me from your dash cam videos.

SPEAKER_00 56:52

They will take anyone in.

unknown 56:54

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 56:55

Period. That's it. That's the whole thing. They will take anyone in. Sure.

SPEAKER_01 56:59

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 57:00

I mean, especially a ghost, right? She's a ghost woman, right?

SPEAKER_01 57:04

She's already doing something illegal.

SPEAKER_00 57:06

That's gotta be very illegal to be a ghost. I'm sorry, but I can just that's why you're like, Yeah, you're when later we have the drug dealer who's on literally on the street selling drugs and a ghost person. No. The cops are gonna drive by that, see a ghost person, and they're gonna be like Anonymous? Who's wait, you don't know who this is? I mean arrest him. For that matter, she walked by him and didn't he he didn't come up. He would have arrested her instantaneously. He'd be like, ma'am, yeah, ma'am.

SPEAKER_01 57:36

Excuse me, ma'am. You're not in my database, and I know everybody.

SPEAKER_00 57:41

Already a more interesting movie, right? He sees this anonymous person, he's like, wait, it's hey, hold on.

SPEAKER_01 57:47

But who are you?

SPEAKER_00 57:49

But of course that blows up the plot because she can't see it, you know.

SPEAKER_01 57:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:53

Dumb. Okay.

Undercover Setup And First Meeting

SPEAKER_00 57:57

They call in the cavalry, and this is when Cyrus comes in. He's the guy who's the really the bad guy, but then he starts watching her. But who who is he? Okay, what happened was this is this is what happened, Tony.

SPEAKER_01 58:12

Yeah, he doesn't even work for the police. Right. He's like a he's a guy that they hire the the head guy was like, you should get this guy, right? Right, but it wasn't the head guy, it was him. Cyrus hired himself in the movie. Yeah, which is the only interesting twist in the whole movie. I wish I could hire myself for jobs. I could I could get some working for some good companies. What are you talking about? You wouldn't hire you. Would you hire you?

SPEAKER_00 58:39

You wouldn't hire you.

SPEAKER_01 58:40

Wait, are you saying if I was the interviewer and someone like me came in?

SPEAKER_00 58:45

No, no, I'm no no if you knew your work ethic, would you hire you?

SPEAKER_01 58:50

That's the question. No, but I know what money I want to make. And so I would hire myself to make that money and then retire. So here's your question. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 59:00

Here's your question. What's the question? Yeah, talk to me. If you could clone yourself, would you put your own self in slavery so that you could live large?

SPEAKER_01 59:11

Nah, I'd feel bad. Because I assume a clone would like have the same sort of feelings. He wouldn't have a good time. That would be really rude. What do you care? You know? Because I like him. He's a good guy. You'd be friends with your clone, really. I we would probably hang out all the time. Yeah, we'd watch movies and laugh. We'd play video games. I finally have a video game partner. We can play some doubles, you know. What a treat. We we'd still be broke as fuck, though. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:37

Oh Jesus. We were talking about you the other day. We're like, Who's we? Shannon and I were like, who ordered who are all these people that order all this DoorDash? And then we're like, it's Tony.

SPEAKER_01 59:47

Yeah, yeah. No, it's it's us. Yeah, yeah. Let's see. Um, had breakfast this morning. We had Taco Bell for lunch yesterday. We DoorDashed your breakfast today. We DoorDash our breakfast three to four times a week. Just so you know. I, Dan, I throw so much money at this company, and they don't do anything back for me. It's ridiculous. I should be getting a kickback of something. They should sponsor this show. They should sponsor this show for real. Okay. Um, or at least get my order right. You know what I mean? I would say 30 to 40 percent of the time when my food comes, it's not all there. Very upsetting. Not upsetting enough for me to go get the food myself, but upsetting enough that I'm like, oh, one of these days, how many times how many times do you think it would take me if I didn't get my correct food for me never to use the service again?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:43

I would say zero times. No, I think you're already there. One time. One time.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:48

One time, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:49

If they didn't bring me my right food, well, I'd call them and make them bring me my right food.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:54

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:55

I'm a very accommodating customer, but it's like, no, that's not how they do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:59

I ordered it, I wanted it. It's pretty straightforward. You know, and you know what's frustrating, and now we're on a tangent, but they give you if you have to because you have to go to their help then and be like, in complete order, tell them what's missing, and then they refund you. And then they give you a survey and they're like, how do you feel about what just happened? And I think they want me to be like, I feel great. Thanks for refunding the thing that didn't show up. That's not what I say. I give them a frowny face and I say, Well, I'm still fucking hungry, aren't I?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:29

So okay, so Cyrus, who's gonna be our bad guy, he gets on the thing. We get to see her apartment, it's high-end in downtown. She reloads her gun. We sit through 25 minutes of her skincare regimen, and then what is she putting on the under eyes, you think?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:45

Can you think it's an anti-wrinkle thing? Is that what you think? I gotta go, I gotta look into it. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:52

You got tips? Yeah, it's serious, name right here. Okay. So I told you we watched this just Chinese YouTube guy that talks about all the trends.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:01

What's the no what's the one we watched this week? The bags under the eyes. Yeah, I got those. They well, you're you're you you you they they pay you. They inject me so that the the bags on your eyes look like pillows. Wait. Wait. What do you mean pillows? They look like they look like they sort of filled up. Like they they put fluid into this, so they're kind of puffy. But they pay me? Well, not you. Some somebody that's more more professional than you, but not really professional. I mean, no one would pay you to be gotta be insane.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:43

Okay. All right. I guess. So good job.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:46

So like when when you're really young, Shannon says you have these kind of these kind of pillows under your eyes. Sure. And it makes you look younger. And so they wanna they all want to look younger. Yeah, of course. You know. Um, but of course they put too much in there and it I couldn't watch it. Shannon's like, I'm watching this. I'm like, I'm leaving the room. Yeah, eyes are scary, dude. Yeah. So the bags under your eyes injected with fluid so they look like pillows.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:14

There you go. Um, can I just do any fluid, you think? I just shoot it up with some Kool-Aid.

unknown 1:03:22

He hasn't even.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:23

What's it about?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:25

Uh putting things in your face.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:27

Yeah, he's got another one where they put shit in their faces. It feels like that's a common theme. Isn't it just putting random things in screw lights or 3D printed shit in their faces? Do you think that I would get famous if I put Legos? If I just put little Legos under my eyes? That'd be cool. You actually would probably get famous, but not in a good way. Well, listen, good, bad, if you're paying for my YouTube, so I don't even care.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:53

So now the next thing is she goes and works for an art dealer who's buying fake paintings, and then she eliminates the forger so that he can sell the paintings. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:06

I don't know. That feels unnecessary.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:08

Uh, he starts dreaming of her naked body. Um, he goes back into work, everybody's they've been watching her all night.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:15

Did she do that because she knew they were watching? Because she looks into I don't know, it feels like she's looking at them and like, here's my body. You know what I mean? You didn't feel that way? All right.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:28

I mean, yeah, that it feels like she's cat and mousing them a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:32

A little bit, but then she it turns out she wasn't, and I was like, uh, alright.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:36

And then she they're like, oh, we just gotta get her to watch over walk over to a window. So she walks over to a window, and we see out the window.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:45

And I'm like, it doesn't seem to matter. Hold on, no, hold on, hold on.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:48

Oh, no, sorry. Later on, we we get explained to us that Clive Owen's character was watching her look out the window, but uh everybody else was watching her and not her looking out the window.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:06

But that's absurd. Because they all were begging her to look out the window. At one point, someone says, I wish she'd look out the window. And then she looks out the window, and no one's like, Oh, hey, it's the it's the skyline. We know where that is. Nobody says that. Except for Clive finds her later. It's a transformation.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:27

That he was the only one doing that. Everyone else was maybe they were, you know what I think? Maybe they were all not watching her look out her eyes, but they were watching other parts of her where she was looking at herself naked. That's what the Oh, I see.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:41

They're just replaying so they're just like sitting there like Is that you changing?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:48

Rewind, rewind, rewind. That's what I have to do when I rewind. Okay, boom. Now the art dealer is dead. He bleeds all over the paintings. Yeah, that's sad. Commissioner comes in, he's like, This. A priority because this is gonna make it so we can't solve crimes.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:07

Yeah, he says something like if the system is broken, it all falls apart or something, but the system's already broke. I don't I don't understand.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:17

He also says taking her life is not what's important, it's her not having one that is or something.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:25

Something like the fact that she's a ghost is more important or something, but there's other ghosts.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:31

There's other ghosts. Every drug dealer is a ghost. She's lots of ghosts. So he's going back undercover. He emails her. Uh, he buys cocaine, and then once again, she's like, Oh, you you bought cocaine, now you gotta eliminate that. She's like, But you haven't done the cocaine. He's all like, maybe I'm waiting to do it with for the right moment. She's like, Oh, am I the right moment? So then they party. So they party. Um, and then she talks about um her child.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:05

Does she delete the partying then? Because I guess, yeah, because she has to delete the sex part, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:10

I have no idea. You know, at this point, I don't know either. You don't know. At this point, she starts talking about how and when she was 18 she became a DFE, delete fucking everything, and she's tired of flesh space in the big room. That's where we live. We live in flesh space. Oh, okay. And then she says, You don't seem like you have a girlfriend, and then she pulls up a gun, and then they're kissing, and then they're sexing, and I'm like, Do they want us to think that this is an erotic thriller?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:43

Because there's nothing erotic about this movie because it's more of like an awkward thriller. There's not a lot of like sexy nudity, you know what I mean? It's just like nudity for nudity's sake. And I'm like, eh. She's very good looking when they're having sex. You're like, Of course, of course. But I'm not aroused by it. And that's not like a it's just it has to be the movie has to have tension. You know, like you have that sexual buildup, and then I'm ready for it. You know, and then I'm excited about it. That's not where this, it's just like, oh, now they're now they're doing it. Well, I don't understand what's going on. You gotta watch uh Under the Silver Lake. Umrew, you've told me this before, but it's by someone I don't like, right? Someone, the guy that made it's dumb. I'm pretty sure. I don't remember anything other than that. Uh what you need to watch is Body of Evidence. I think I've talked about this before.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:42

Body of Evidence. Is that like an old movie?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:43

It is no, no, no. It's like an erotic thriller. It's got Willem Dafoe and Madonna, and you know, he's not attractive, but boy, the movie, very sexy. She likes pours hot wax on his body, and I'm I am convinced it's real. I think they're really doing this shit, and it's it's hot, dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:03

Hot wax. It's hot. Okay. Um, they have sex, they get dressed. Yeah. Uh she leaves, and then she goes and kills Lester. But she didn't really kill Lester. Cyrus killed Lester.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:17

But she doesn't say that. When she calls him from the train, you'll tell you. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:22

She says that later. I didn't kill Lester.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:24

She says that.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:25

Later, but not at this very first conversation. She's on the subway, and then he's like, she's dead, and she's like, you should have thought of that, right? She does say that, doesn't she?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:36

That's what she said. And so that is nonsense, as opposed to, well, I didn't kill him. You know what I mean? That's that's a much more direct. I don't understand what you should have thought about that before you had sex with me. I don't I don't get that.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:50

And he gets in trouble, you let her escape, and so he has to go home. And he's at home, and he's he goes to his real home and he turns off the ads, and then she's watching him, and then he's all like, I'm gonna stop you because you killed Lester, and then she attacks him in his feed, she dog attacks him.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:08

She again doesn't say, No, I didn't. She's instead, she just is like, I'm gonna fuck up your life.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:14

Yeah, so she attacks him with dudes in his brain, and then dogs in his eyes, and then rats in his eyes, and then she starts erasing all the videos of his dead kid.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:24

Um just like super brutal, but we don't really ever bring that up again. Okay, Tony.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:30

If someone was going through your memory and clearing out, I mean, because it's essentially memories, right? Even though they say it's it's essentially everyone has substituted these video files for their memories, essentially.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:44

I mean, even that like I don't remember almost anything from my childhood. Yeah, so if I had those videos, kick ass. I love it. I would remember some shit, but I don't. So it's a memory.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:55

How angry, how much would you want to kill her if she took all those videos?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:00

He's so mad about it. It's my dead kid, and I watch it all the time, apparently. Uh, yeah, you'd be livid. It would kind of consume you, it'd be the only thing you care about anymore, and he doesn't.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:12

So he calls his ex-wife, she's like, send me the files, and she's like, okay, and then she's like, Oh my god, my files are gone, and then he's like, oh, hanging up on you.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:21

And she's also not that upset. She's not upset at all. In her in her defense, she also doesn't like to watch them. She's like, I don't like to look back, so she's probably relieved a little bit, which is dark, but you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:32

Who knows? I remember hearing about a drug like ten years ago that that clears your memory out.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:40

Just like control alt delete that shit?

unknown 1:11:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:43

I'm not I won't want to do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:44

But for people that have trauma, it just it just clears it back a little ways.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:50

So they can control it. This doesn't sound like a real drug, Dan.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:54

Maybe I may have a story. Sure. I mean, who knows? He goes outside, she sets his hallway on fire. He pulls out his gun and starts shooting. I don't know why he's shooting, because like thank you. She's like six miles away, like in her apartment, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:10

Yeah, yeah. So uh just the other day I set my kitchen on fire a little bit, and immediately I was like, You pulled out your wish I had your gun and started firing. No, stop, stop, stop fire. Right, like what what are we talking about here? That's not a natural reaction. That's so weird.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:29

His uh his neighbor comes out, Thomas Devry, why have you come out? And then he he shoots a couple more times, and then he goes to the elevator and he like starts to get in the elevator. I'm like, come on.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:42

Yeah, come on, come on, come on, dude. You know what's happening right now. First of all, if you really thought the place was on fire, you wouldn't go into the elevator, you go into the stairs. So you know it's not really on fire. So why would you try to get into an elevator? That's clearly a bad idea. Then would you get in a car and start driving, Tony? No, because this guy, he is so far past impaired at this point. Although I will say the scene did make me laugh super hard when the AI is like clear and pulls out, just gets like tossed around like pinball.

When Courts Misread ChatGPT Evidence

SPEAKER_01 1:13:17

Very funny. Okay, we're gonna we're gonna have our moment in AI right now. Oh, I can't wait.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:22

So, you know, they we had the big fire here in the Palisades that burned down everything. Yeah. That guy was on trial. Okay, and some of the main evidence they used against him was him talking to ChatGPT about how to do what he did. And then also when he came back talking about what he did, I think. I I I I haven't heard okay, so you know, pretty damning evidence.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:44

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:45

Well, we got a mistrial because two of the people are like, he's not guilty. So they what? Hold on. Okay, they talked to the one woman on camera, and what does she say? I think it was bad that they were like saying that it was bad of him to use Chat GPT. I use ChatGPT and it's alright. So it wasn't even what the information was, it was that they were just a fact they were casting ChatGPT in a negative framework that this woman was like, nah, he probably didn't do it because he's a chat GPT person like me.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:25

It's my chat GPT brother right there. He's no no back. I don't understand because it's only for the again. I wasn't I wasn't a part of the trial, but he just from the way that it sounds, it doesn't sound like they were saying using chat GPT is bad, but telling it that you're going to burn something down, oh, I just burned something down, and getting bad and getting it to help you do burn something down the right way. That's yeah, that's not a chat GPT problem, ma'am. That is a user problem, but it's still a problem. So that's our moment. That's our that's our that is wild.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:01

And that's I said I says to I says to Shannon when they do the trial again, I was like, you gotta be putting that on the jury questionnaire. And she's like, I'm sure they had that on the jury questionnaire. I'm like, I don't think that they probably thought that this guy was gonna get off because a woman has an intimate relationship with CPT. I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:20

I mean That's my boyfriend over there, so he couldn't have done nothing wrong. Chat GPT, love you.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:25

Uh okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:26

So weird. It's that's so weird, man. I love that story. Not in like a good way, because it's a little too elusive.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:34

But wild stuff. So he crashes the car, the boss meets him on the street, and she he's like, shoot chuck, my oil's I gotta find her, I gotta find her and stop her. And then it turns out that when he was shooting down the hallway, he killed the neighbor.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:50

No, he didn't.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:51

Did he not kill the neighbor or did he kill the neighbor?

SPEAKER_01 1:15:53

He didn't, no, no. He's I mean, honestly, it doesn't. We don't know, nor does it really matter. But he is saying that they and that that's an implanted memory in someone else. And what's his name? Carlos Curl curl. What was the what's the bad guy's name? Work it out, Tony. I don't remember. Coy. Think of uh think of Conair. Conair, Bunny John Malkovich.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:22

John Malkovich. Oh, what is this?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:25

You don't remember John Malkovich's name. Cyrus the virus. All right, thank you. Jesus Christ. I had to get this. See, my brain does. If I had these Google eyes, boy, I would have had that in a second, because I just would have turned on the movie. Anyhow, uh, he's saying that he, I mean, or her, that he implanted it, and that was a fake, uh fake killing.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:44

And what did the bosses say? They're like, we have to believe our eyes.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:49

And you're like, which is Which is ridiculous.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:52

Wait a second. So so somebody really did so there's somebody standing in there that like saw the bullet hole, stuck their finger in it, and it I you're like, I don't believe it.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:03

No, it doesn't make any sense because this whole movie is about the fact that people can hack your eyes now. So you can't believe your eyes. That's the only thing you cannot believe in this movie. It's so ridiculous.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:15

So they put him under house arrest. There he is. His big plan is he acts like he goes to bed, then he keeps his eyes closed, and then he creeps all the way down there and then knocks out the police officer that's watching him. Yeah. Now, damn. I like the idea that he stuck out with his eyes closed. I thought that was kind of funny. I thought it was funny.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:36

It is funny, but this is not a funny movie. You know what I mean? So this is a little weird. Um, but here's what else, and again, you're gonna tell me the same thing that you told me about the subway creatures, I assume.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:48

The subway creatures.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:49

But his window is open. I'm a policeman. My window's open. I'm gonna let somebody sneak up on my peripheral vision to the point where he gets here before I see him and he punches me out. Come on.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:03

More importantly, you're gonna know where he's situated. You know, I I I buy that if like there was a fire in the house and like my eyes were singed and I had to keep my eyes closed, or I had to keep a cloth over my eyes, right, to keep my eyes protected.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:16

I could get out of here.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:17

But you know I couldn't. I'll tell you that right now. I would be I'd be tumbling down these stairs. I'd be in the bathroom being like, where is the door? What's happening? I I got no sense of direction.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:31

The fireman would be in there, and they're like, Why are you in the bathroom? You're like, Am I in the bathroom? I was like, I thought I was outside. I was outside. It's tough, man. It's tough. Wow. So you don't you don't have any do you have any awareness, like situational awareness about what's around?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:49

Very little situal aware. Yeah, I I live in the moment.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:52

Now, if you if you don't have like the the GPS thing on your your phone telling you where to drive, can you drive places? Or you get lost instantly.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:00

So it I might get I'll go to the general direction, but I'll I will never get to my destination. You know what I mean? I'll be like if I'm heading towards Santa Monica, I'll get to the ocean. Now the problem is the ocean's very big and Santa Monica's pretty small, so I probably won't hit Santa Monica, but I'll be in the ocean.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:20

Oh my god. We were coming home from the valley one time. And Shannon started by driving west. Sure. Yeah. Okay. I I just I'm still angry about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:34

I'm still angry about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:37

South or east. Those are your two choices.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:39

Right, those are my only two directions right now. Let's talk about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:42

Can't be going west. Nope. Not an option. She wanted to go down to some street, she wanted to go down. I'm like, nope, nope, that's not the way. Don't do it, don't you do it? So as we said before, he's the only one that was paying attention when they hacked her her eyes and saw where it was, and then somehow he's able to figure out where they are, where she is.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:01

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:02

And then so he drives there, and then boom, he's walking in her apartment.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:07

Yeah. Well, they don't have locks. You know, they have these weird digital things, the number pads that like line up, beep, boop, boop, boop, boop, and then you open the door. So I I assume you could just open any door. I I don't really understand how it works.

unknown 1:20:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:24

Um, and then then they then we have like this tense thing where they talk to each other and she doesn't just take control of his eyes. Um then we we go through the whole plot. Someone's killing my customers to make it look like me. I'm not safe, neither are you. She runs, and then there was he brings up like some other DNA that was on some crime scene thing. I don't remember that information.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:49

I don't remember it either, but he but he says something like maybe it wasn't degraded and it was really someone else's DNA. Is that something we can confuse? I really don't know. I don't know enough about DNA, but degraded DNA sounds incomplete to me. But if it's someone else's DNA, it just doesn't match the sequence, right? I don't know. I don't know how it works. I don't know. The only It's a double helix, you know, so I don't know what means.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:16

I was on a case one time and they were doing the DNA, and you know, when you hear the numbers. You were on a case? Yeah, I was on a case. Let's work in a case, Tony.

unknown 1:21:26

Okay, good.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:27

No, I was on a I was on a jury about something for some of my one of my things, and they they had the DNA, and you know, you're screwed.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:35

Yeah, no, that's bad. That's that's pretty damning evidence, yeah. So unless it's degree.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:41

So then she gets away again, and then he's placed on house arrest again, and then he gets away with this one by like looping a video, and then she just Well, she loops a video, she doesn't even do it. So she loops a video, and then she makes up a gives them a fake call, and then they all drive off. And then she goes there, and then it turns out that the bad guy is Cyrus, and then he explains that um he fell in love with her by being her proxy at some point for some reason, some way. And then Clive Owen eventually shoots him.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:19

But he doesn't seem like he's in love with her. He's not like we should be together.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:23

When he went to her apartment, he was not there to kill her. That's what I that's what I'd be there for. I'm gonna kill you. Or give me my memories back, or I'm gonna shoot you in the head.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:33

Please, I yeah, he never brings that up again. No, that's the problem. He never is like, hey, by the way, you stole my child from me. Can you please beam him back in there? Remember when you were torturing me? Right? I didn't like that. I was not a fan. Please don't do that again. You're dead. So weird.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:55

It's so weird. And then we learn that Cyrus really wasn't even who they thought he was, that he just hacked into everybody's eyes and made it so that he could join the police force to look for her. I guess. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, man. Yeah, the epilogue is they meet on the waterfront, and there's just a lot of talking.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:17

And about nothing. I'm sorry. I don't know if they think that this is like smart, like deep intellectual dialogue or something.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:27

Uh the more you try to hide, the more attention you attract. Nope, that's not the way it works. No, it's hiding. I don't know. We all see we all seen seven, right? We seen the movie seven. What does he do? He goes down to the library, he's like, you know, we they keep track of all the all the words they search, and there's this 32 words that we look up, and and that's how they catch the guy because they they pay attention to what you're paying attention to, and that's how you get in trouble.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:56

So true.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:56

You're out there So true. You're out there leaving a digital footprint. Um, and then she's like, Well, how do you hide? And she's like, I put a microsecond of myself on every different platform, and then I'm all spread out, and that's why you can't find me. You're like, What are you what are you talking about?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:14

What are you talking about? And the answer's nothing. You're talking about gobbledygook. And then we he watches his son again, right? Oh, I don't know. I'm pretty sure at the end of the movie he watches his son's video. How does he get it back? She gave it back to him. She should have given it back to him. That should have been the thing. So she stole it and put it somewhere else and she didn't actually delete it? Sure, that's what I would have done. I downloaded it.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:39

Right? I downloaded it into your brain. You gotta have that one thin file of blackmail that's in the evidence locket, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:47

Stored. Gotta I don't know.

Ending Twist And What Still Bugs Us

SPEAKER_01 1:24:50

I did not enjoy this movie. This movie's dumb.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:52

But you read the reviews of this, and the people are all like, oh, that this is what's gonna happen, and you know, oh, look out. And it's like, well, no, way worse things are gonna happen.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:03

Yeah, well, that's true. Way worse things are gonna happen, and that's because we're humans are the worst.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:09

Because this girl's not gonna exist. That can rewrite things on the fly. We're gonna have big, big computers that are sitting there that are rewriting what's in your eyes.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:20

That's what's gonna happen. 100%. It's giving me more of like uh Halloween 3 Season of the Witch. You know what I mean? We probably have to do that this year.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:28

Because I I do need to see because as I've as I've said before, I went to see that movie in the theaters after having not seen the first movie. And it was so terrible. I was like, this is terrible. I was like, this is the kind of shit movies the the kids these days love. And I I'll probably The kids these days, how old were you? This was like 1980. What you what year what year did that movie come out? Halloween. That's a great question.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:53

I was making it up. Halloween three, nineteen eighty-two. So I was seventeen. Oh, just like T Swift, right? She's got a song called 17. Did I make that up? Jesus Christ. You're so pathetic. Um Taylor Swift 17.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:12

Yeah, she's got a song. Oh, great. She got a song. It's probably about boys.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:19

17 forever. I don't know. Okay. You know what? I might have made it up. Yeah. Tony, anything else you want to see about this stupid movie? No, I'm done with this movie. Get it out of my life.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:28

It was a good movie to watch. You know, it's like it's wonderful. Kind of yeah. I will I'll say this positive about it. I thought the production design was interesting. Uh and I I thought it was visually very consistent. Consistent?

SPEAKER_01 1:26:44

Not good. Okay. No, no, it was fine. Other than what I said earlier about locking off the POV, if you don't do that, then I have no problem with it. Okay. Tony,

What We Loved Watching After

SPEAKER_01 1:26:55

tell us about something you like this week. I'm gonna say two things. One, the World Cup is a blast. We are having an absolute blast with this. If you're not caught up, like just look at some of these storylines. It's great. Um, and we watched Mortal Kombat 2 this week. Yeah. Dynamite. Just dynamite. I had so much fun. Was the first one okay? I did we do it? Yeah, the first one was good. So we did when the first one, the first reboot came out a couple years ago. We watched the original Mortal Kombat to make fun of that. Oh yeah. Or Annihilation, one of the two, to make fun of it in honor of the new one coming out.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:30

We watched Annihilation. We didn't watch the first one. First one's fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:32

That makes sense. First one's great. Um, but yeah, so the first reboot was fun. The only complaint was it wasn't the tournament. It's like, well, this isn't Mortal Kombat. Great fight scenes, it was beautiful, really well done, but it wasn't the tournament. So then this one, they're like, all right, all tournament bitches, and it is a blast. I had so much fun. Okay, I'll watch that. You should watch it. Yeah. Some of the fatalities, 10 out of 10. Oh, good.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:57

Uh, we're watching a great documentary called The Mortician. Nerd. Ooh, okay. Three episodes, hour each, about a uh um a funeral home in Pasadena. Oh, home. Okay. Oh man.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:18

What does that mean? What does that mean, Dan? A lot of crimes. A lot of crimes. Really? A lot of crimes. What kind of crimes? What do you mean? Bad crimes. Engaged in morally questionable and inhumane practices. What is happening? You know, not gonna talk about it, but all right. I guess I'll have to watch that at the same time.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:46

People can be very terrible.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:50

Right about that. You are right about that.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:53

Tony,

Next Week’s Pick Little Brother

SPEAKER_00 1:28:54

we need another movie to talk about. We sure do. And most importantly, we need a movie that's one hour and 42 minutes long.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:03

I can't believe you remember the exact number, Dan. That's impressive. Good for you. You don't even need Google Eyes. You got that memory of a hawk. I need Google Eyes. Give me them Google Eyes. Google Eyes. Okay. All right. So we are gonna do a movie brand new. Brand new movies on Netflix, I think, actually. Is it the uh so we're staying in the Netflix phase? No, it is not the weird one that you told me about. This one is uh friend of the show, John Cena, his brand new feature film comedy with uh Eric Andre. And it's called Little Brother. I've never heard of this. I've I've been waiting for this for almost two months. Like when I saw the first trailer, I was like, oh boy, we're gonna do that for the podcast. This movie was in this was in movie theaters? No, it was not in theaters, this is straight to Netflix, but the trailer dropped maybe it was a month ago. I don't know. Uh a little bit ago, and I was like, I cannot wait for that to come out. Came out on Friday. We're gonna watch it.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:06

Oh, so this is like a Big Brothers thing. He's like signs up for Big Brothers, and then he do you want me to tell you what it's about to do?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:12

That's gonna be like the basic premise. He gets John Cena gets a call that his brother's in the hospital and he gets to the hospital, and it's not his brother, it's it's his little brother from the Big Brother program.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:25

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:25

And him integrating into his life. Yeah, it's right. It looks good practice. The premise is funny. The trailer is not. I'll just say that. But I'm excited, very excited. I love John Cena.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:37

Okay, that sounds good.

Wrap And How To Support

SPEAKER_00 1:30:39

Um, we're running long as per usual. If you like what you see, give us a thumbs up, uh, give us a subscription, or leave a comment. Those are all things you can do to support us, and uh, we'll be back next week talking about whatever that John Cena movie that we just sent.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:54

Little brother! Goodbye, everybody.