Hate Watching War of the Worlds 2005: Spielberg Fumbles at the 1 Yard Line

The wild thing about War Of The Worlds (2005) is how quickly it earns our trust and how loudly it tests it later. We sit down on Heat Watching and walk through Spielberg’s alien invasion thriller beat by beat, starting with that terrifying, razor-tight opening stretch where ordinary people do the only “heroic” thing available: make one decent choice, then make the next one fast. The sound design, the crowd behavior, the dust-covered aftermath, and the sense of public systems failing all feel brutally real, and we talk about why the movie’s 9/11 allegory still hits.

Then we get into the stuff that makes us argue. Why give Ray a specific job that never pays off? Why does the timeline feel vague when the movie needs us to feel the long grind of survival? And what is the son’s arc actually doing besides forcing a few plot turns? We also talk performances: Tom Cruise is surprisingly great as a messy, selfish dad, while Dakota Fanning runs circles around almost everyone and keeps the emotion honest even when the script gets shaky.

Finally, we go straight for the big debate: the basement detour with Tim Robbins, the rushed sprint to the finish, and a climax that hinges on the common cold instead of a character-driven payoff. If you love Spielberg, disaster movies, alien invasion films, or film criticism that’s equal parts admiration and frustration, you’ll have opinions here. Subscribe, share the episode with a movie friend, and leave a review, then tell us: which scene would you rewrite first?

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Transcript

Flappy Bird Warm-Up And Banter

SPEAKER_01 0:00

That's my new nickname. Flappy Bird. Flappy Bird? Do you remember that game? That was like my favorite game. I was so good at it. Tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap. Oh boy. I was obsessed. We played all the time. It's great. Look like Mario.

SPEAKER_03 0:18

I mean, you can't go wrong. You're just you're part of every lame thing that's ever happened to this token.

SPEAKER_02 0:35

I'm watching now.

Welcome And Why This Movie

SPEAKER_02 0:37

Welcome to Heat Watching with Dan and Tony. I am Dan.

SPEAKER_03 0:40

I am Tony. On the show, we talk about a movie. This week Tony has picked a movie. It's a movie that we've already done a movie of the same name, which might be a first.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

You're right about that. But I guess the other way around. Remake, or I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 0:56

This is uh this is a this is a uh this is a second remake. Well, we already watched the third remake. Right. Yeah, that's a maybe even fourth movie remake. I don't know. I think there probably was one in 1910.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

There probably was, but there was there was a radio play, right? The radio play like made people believe that there's an alien invasion, wasn't that the thing?

SPEAKER_03 1:14

Orson Wells. Uh that's a that's a lie. That's a fiction. It's a lie. It's a fiction.

SPEAKER_01 1:21

I believe it.

SPEAKER_03 1:22

It the the show had radio commercials and you know. Sure. Yeah, it's not like they've they it's not like they were like, okay, no radio, you know. Were there a couple people that maybe did some stupid things? We're like, oh my god, Martha, yes, there is a war of the world.

SPEAKER_01 1:37

No. And then a commercial came out, and they're like, also grab the ketchup, Heinz. That was the commercial, it was a Heinz commercial. I think they got that. So, Tony, why don't you tell them what movie it is since I just spoiled it?

Remakes, The Book, And The Basement

SPEAKER_01 1:50

Well, you did spoil a little bit by saying the name of the movie. Um, but I'll give a little backstory because Disclosure Day came out last week. I hope everybody got to see it. I did not, heartbroken about it. Um, so we just uh I decided we should do um an old Spielbergian alien movie, and this is the one that I chose because I saw it when I was younger and I was mad and I didn't remember why. I do remember why. I absolutely remember why now. Uh still mad about it. Yeah, but you know, overall, there's it's about 90 to 95 minutes of darn near perfection. So there's that.

SPEAKER_03 2:31

There's yeah. Um it's a movie that you wish that somebody wrote the script trying to be fairly true to the War of the Worlds book movie, etc. Yeah. And the s the parts where they aren't that way is the better movie.

SPEAKER_01 2:52

Yeah, correct. That's correct. Yeah. So yeah, for the most part. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:57

Yeah. So when they, you know, when they sort of, you know, if you know it, they end up in the basement of this farmhouse where stuff occurs. Most of that stuff you could have just done without.

SPEAKER_01 3:11

Or just less. There's are we down there for 20 minutes? Like I'm I'm honestly not sure.

SPEAKER_03 3:17

Yeah, yeah, we are certainly down there for 20 minutes. It feels like we're cruising, cruising. That's true. Yeah. It wasn't just we go down there, then we say, okay, we're we're getting out of here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:29

Yeah, I and I I haven't read the book, full disclosure. Um, I haven't really seen any other iterations other than this and the cube. Uh, so those are my two points of reference, which we'll talk about in a second. But you you you need less in that basement. Pick one thing for that base to happen in that basement. Either it's the aliens, which I would say don't pick that one, or it's Tim Robbins being like, Well, I'm gonna get you all killed, and then he has to kill Tim Robbins. That's a much more fun, emotional thing to play. Yeah. Um don't need the aliens, the little monkey guys coming down. I don't under that's not good.

SPEAKER_03 4:07

Um we gotta put the aliens in in the 50s movie, they had the they did the dung dung dung dung dung dung thing pretty much the same, and we had one alien come down there that he axes, I think, and then it runs off. Um but they left the they left the person out, as I remember it in the 50s movie, but in the radio play, the person is down there because you you kind of have to have a person down there to play off of. Yeah. And in the in both of those other ones, there's no family involved, so we don't get the I'm gonna take your child.

SPEAKER_01 4:39

Interesting. It's because the because the book is just him and his wife, and they get separated. Is that what I remember?

SPEAKER_03 4:45

I think it says that. I think that's what the book is. In the in the 50s movie and more in the radio play, I actually don't remember who exactly he is. In the movie, he's he's a scientist who ends up down there, and then in the in the radio play, yeah, the he ends up down there with talking to the dude, and the dude's like, someone who's been sort of driven crazy, but it's all I think on his he's actually gathering information, and and they gather information while they're down in that basement, which I believe plays some small amount of help. Not in this movie. In this movie, yeah, you're like, well, we kind of learned some stuff, you know. Doesn't really matter. This movie shoehorns in the learning of stuff, but we don't need to learn any of the stuff that we learn. No, because we don't beat them.

SPEAKER_01 5:32

Yeah, he doesn't do anything. They get the common cold. Uh, spoiler alert. It's yeah. I understand that that's I had to look it up. I understand that's how the book ends. Not does not make a great movie ending. I'll just say that.

SPEAKER_03 5:46

Not how they not how they set it up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:49

Yeah, where he goes and grenades someone and it's like, oh shit, he took one down. This is gonna be exciting. Oh, they're dead? Okay. They're gone. Okay, that's cool.

SPEAKER_03 5:59

Yeah, I mean, Independence Day works because that we figure out how to work a ship, we steal a ship, we go out there, and we have Jeff Goldblum, our our B plot, type some virus into the bad guy's things. We're like, oh, okay, there's a reason for everything that happened in this movie.

SPEAKER_01 6:15

There's not, there's no reasons.

SPEAKER_03 6:17

There's no reason, and and I think that when there is no reason is the best part of this movie.

SPEAKER_01 6:24

Okay, I can I can I can see how you feel that way.

SPEAKER_03 6:27

I think the beginning of this, the first 34 minutes of this movie are perfect, and then you have the rest of the movie.

SPEAKER_01 6:33

Oh, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 6:34

You know, yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, for sure. And if it you know, I and this is this is a point I've made, and this is why I actually use this movie as a reference point all the time. Is that there's nothing special about Tom Cruise's character and family. Nothing. Zero.

SPEAKER_01 6:51

No, that is correct. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:52

Except he made one, he did, he made one important thing. He understood cars and understood you needed to change out the solenoid. That's it. That's the only thing. And and then other than that, I hate that. Oh, okay. Well, we'll talk about that in a second.

SPEAKER_01 7:07

We'll talk about it, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:08

But other than that, the first 34 minutes, he's just the guy that turns down the correct street, goes the right direction, and makes you know, makes the correct arbitr almost nearly arbitrary choice to survive. And I wish that was this movie. I wish this whole movie was just it it, you know, because it is also a 9-11 allergy. Yeah, not an analogy, allegory.

SPEAKER_01 7:35

Yeah, all right, yeah, I don't know the difference. I tell you that all the time.

SPEAKER_03 7:39

I wish I wish things had just winnowed down, windowed down, windowed down. And then if he ended up in the basement and you were just like, this is like the only place to hide. You know, a blasted landscape, and he, you know, the these are the he and that guy are the last people, that's the only food, they're running out of food. But the pr the other huge problem with this movie is it's that I don't know how long this movie takes place over. It seems like it's a week. It seems like it's a week. But they could have spent uh two weeks down in that basement. I don't know any of those things. We don't know if night and day is is contiguous down there, or if we jump a week or two, you know, we don't know any of those things. He never grows a beard, so this all takes place in a week. That's true, or less. Or less. Could be could be three days, who knows? And if they'd have, and I believe in in some of the other movies, the old movie, and maybe the radio, well, maybe not the radio play, radio play kind of has to take place in real time, the way they set it up. But you need it to take place over a month or two months. Yeah, we need we need to get ravaged. Yeah, we need to go, we need to put him through it. And and they don't really put it put him through it. They they they tease that he's being put through it, but then you know it it resolves pretty quick. Yeah.

unknown 8:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:57

Um yeah, I have a lot of problems, I think.

SPEAKER_03 9:00

I mean, I I enjoyed this movie. Tony, you have a lot of problems.

SPEAKER_01 9:03

I have so many problems. A couple of them are from this movie, the majority of them are not. Yeah. Um, so I I a hundred percent agree. I wish I do wish that that's the movie you get because it is the movie that I feel like they set up, and then we kind of get away from it, and then in the end, it's kind of like, oh yeah, well, he didn't matter. But we went through this second act journey where he seemed he kind of was gonna matter, and then like, and then he does it, it's very confusing. Um just stick with him. Just it's a survival story. That's fine. He doesn't have to win anything, you know what I mean? He just living is winning, surviving is winning. Um and then obviously the ending is awful, terrible. Worst ending to a movie I've ever seen in my life. Uh-huh. Uh, do you want to talk about the sun?

Cast Takes And The “Robbie” Problem

SPEAKER_01 9:55

Not really. He's he's the reason why I'm so mad at this movie, to be honest with you. Um, do you know anything about the actor that played the sun? No, do you? No, I didn't look him up. Oh, okay. You you the way that you said that, Dan, was like, I have information that you're gonna want.

SPEAKER_03 10:13

You might have been like, oh, he's been on the Aeroverse and he plays Dipship McRooney, and I'm like, oh, that's the Dipship McRoonie guy.

SPEAKER_01 10:22

He does look familiar as an older guy. So he oh shit. He's in Dragon Ball Evolution, Dan.

SPEAKER_03 10:31

That we did? He was the kid.

SPEAKER_01 10:33

He was the guy in Dragon Ball Evolution, the lead guy. Yep. So we do know him. Does that help? Uh nope. He's cute. He's cute as he gets older. That's for sure. Oh, he's cute. Hey, good for him. He's got something going for him, right? Good on you, dude. Him want me nothing. Um, no, he was not great. What's interesting to me is I love Tom Cruise. I feel like I've said that many times on this podcast. Love Tom Cruise. Dakota Fanning out acts them all. She's great. She's great. She's running circles around these two knob heads, uh, which was great. But on the flip side, Tom Cruise was nominated for a Razzie for this performance, which I did look into, and it seems more like it was his off-screen antics where they were just kind of like, we're putting you up because you're a piece of shit. Because that was during the uh jumping on the couch. Yeah, yeah. So apparently they him and Spielberg fell out during the press tour because that happened during the press tour. He came out against um psychology, psychiatrists.

SPEAKER_03 11:41

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:42

So like him and Spielberg kind of like had a feud a feud. They separated during the press tour. Um anyhow, so that I think that was part of the reason why I got a Razzie. But I was like, he didn't, he's not bad in this movie on any level whatsoever.

SPEAKER_03 11:56

No, not at all. Um I think it's one of his I you know, just as this kind of movie is one of his better roles like this. I you know, he he's very believable in every movie makes in the entire movie that I could think of.

SPEAKER_01 12:08

Of course. Yeah. Um, I love watching him play a flawed character. It's so much more interesting to watch him like, he's not a great, he's not a great father. He's trying, he's doing his best. Like that's a that's a fun thing to watch Tom Cruise do. Yeah. Because generally, it's just kind of like Tom Cruise is gonna kick some ass. I also love that, Tom Cruise. Sure. But this is fun. This is fun to watch.

SPEAKER_03 12:33

And when he kind of plays the dick of the father, you're like, there's the there's real Tom. That's who I think. 100%. Yeah, I feel like I I would agree. That feels like him.

unknown 12:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:44

You know. Now, is Dakota Fanning, is she the one in the new that new Margot's Got Money Problems TV show? Or is that I think that's what I think that is that her sister?

SPEAKER_01 12:54

I think it might be her sister. I think so too. Because Got Money Troubles. Yeah, it's L. Who's in love with Jack Black, by the way, apparently?

SPEAKER_03 13:04

A lot of nudity in that show. So is there? What is that about?

SPEAKER_01 13:09

That's not I isn't this just a TV show?

SPEAKER_03 13:12

No, it's a I think it's an apple or something. And then she becomes like an OnlyFans person or something, but Oh, because she's got money troubles. Uh yeah, a lot of a lot a lot of full frontal nudity. So be prepared for that. I was like, okay. I'm not planning on seeing it, but you know, it's like someone you you think like this is this actress has you know a career or whatever, and you're like, oh, that's a lot of her naked. Oh, and she's a super naked in the next scene? Okay, lots of nudity. So you know, it just achieved like a little more than I would have expected.

SPEAKER_01 13:45

Sure, I get that 100%. Is it funny? Is it supposed to be funny? Not those scenes, but like the show. Is it a comedy show?

SPEAKER_03 13:52

Or well, it's like yeah drama, dramatic, yeah, maybe. But she like she immediately sleeps like and sleeps like her with her older professor, and I was just like, oh, that's that just seems not not like the place you want to start in this day and age where where you know 26. Where dynamic 19-year-olds are sleeping with 28-year-olds. She's like, Oh, okay, this feels gross. I'd probably turn this off.

SPEAKER_01 14:16

Similar to the wonderful show off campus, which we loved. The main girl is 19 and the main guy is like 28. Not in the show, they're playing college students, but the in real life, everyone's like, maybe we don't do that anymore, Hollywood. That is a little, that is a little weird. It's a lot. It what's what's interesting to me is she's the only one that's 19. Everyone else is mid to late 20s. So she's sure she's the only one that was cast, and not to get into it, but I I don't think she was so good that she's the only person that could have played that role. But that's a me thing.

SPEAKER_03 14:52

Yeah, I get it.

SPEAKER_01 14:53

Anyhow, um we saw Elle in The Great, the her show The Great with um Nicholas Holt. It's awesome. It was a very fun show. But that's only that's the only thing I know her from. That and the fact that she's in love with Jack Black and she did like a whole thing with her sister about how she loves him. And I was like, that's funny. Good for you. Not everybody feels that way, so it's good. It's good that it's Jack Black. People don't like Jack Black. He's funny. People like I mean, she like likes Jack Black. She likes likes Jack Black. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:27

You mean not in a chaste way, is that what you're saying? Yeah, that's what I was saying.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

Okay, that's correct. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:32

Anywho. Once again, things getting weird. Um Spielberg, the the kid, the kid was also in another terrible movie, and then maybe never done anything again. Yeah, they have an arc for him that doesn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_01 15:49

There you go. It's it's not, it's gobbledygook. Um, also, he's dead. I I refuse. There's no way that he's alive at the end of this movie. I hate that. I hate it so much, Dan.

SPEAKER_03 16:01

And it makes a lot of sense for his that basically the kid wants to join the military halfway through the movie. He joins the military, and then at the end, he's there alive at Boston, where they're heading towards, and you're like pretty much totally fine. Totally fine. Well, if you wanted to join the military, you'd still be in the military, right?

SPEAKER_01 16:20

The military didn't just end being military. Unless we have like a really fun scene where he joined, he like gets there and they like give him a gun, and he's like, Whoa, this is more real than I thought, and then gives the gun back. Other than that, it's stupid. That would have been that I I could have seen him doing that. Right? Never never mind, never mind. This is bad. I don't like this. I'm going home. Mommy.

SPEAKER_03 16:45

Anything else you want to say?

SPEAKER_01 16:46

Everything we'll we'll cover it. We'll cover

Opening Voiceover And Setup Issues

SPEAKER_01 16:49

it. All my problems we're gonna cover pretty quickly.

SPEAKER_03 16:52

Boom! We start with the with the voiceover. Basically, the aliens have been watching us as you know, sort of like microscopic beings. You know, they're looking at us through their microscope and they're vast and cool and unsympathetic.

SPEAKER_01 17:08

Yeah. Um I get that this is almost, from what I understand, verbatim from the book. My problem is that this setup doesn't deliver all the information that we need for the ending to make sense. Because I had to look this up because I was so confused on the end of this movie. Yeah. Um but the Martians moved their timeline up, supposedly, in the book because humans were advancing faster than they had expected. So they weren't fully prepared for the invasion where they came. Because I was like, how if they were studying us for millions of years, would they not be like, they get colds? We should probably, guys, we should watch out for the common cold. Um, but apparently, like they weren't fully prepared. They had to move up their attack because we had advanced further than they expected. Yada yada. Mars and Mars depleted faster than they expected, or something. So some sort of information there would have been nice, other than this is like they've been watching us and now they're here, but not prepared, which is very silly, you know.

SPEAKER_03 18:13

Because we do set up that they sent the Martian ships here like a million years ago or something. Yeah, forever ago. Doesn't make any sense. Yeah. Like, really? Okay. Well, they just come here.

SPEAKER_01 18:24

They just come at the time, because there were no humans then.

SPEAKER_03 18:28

Yeah. That's that all who are you planting?

SPEAKER_01 18:31

I don't, yeah, whatever. It doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_03 18:33

That all sounds like writer stuff, which you know, writers, writers like to get involved in all those kind of things, like, well, how am I gonna work out that this is this happened with, you know, and you're like, okay, uh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 18:47

And don't get me wrong, any movie that starts with a Morgan Freeman voiceover, I'm into. Yeah. Uh, but I just I think it's I yeah, it didn't work.

SPEAKER_03 18:58

So we start off with Ray. He works on the docks, he he works the crane that picks up the containers and takes them off the container ships.

SPEAKER_01 19:05

Can't wait for that to come into play at some point. It doesn't. It doesn't. So why give him a job? Why give him that job? You give him any job you want. Oh, because he's gotta be salt of the earth, you know. That is what is what I got from it, but he can't throw a baseball, which we'll talk about in a little bit. And so that kind of negates him throwing a baseball.

SPEAKER_03 19:27

He didn't do it right? You're you're angry about the okay. Hold on, we gotta get to that.

SPEAKER_01 19:32

Okay, cool. Yeah, you go, you go.

SPEAKER_03 19:35

So he drives his fast car home, and then here's the ex-wife now repre pregnatized, um, reimpregnated by Tim, the yuppies. They're dropping off the two kids. The one kid is the 22-year-old boy. Yeah, yeah. He's he looks too old, but I he's I guess he's supposed to be 16 or 17. Yeah, you know, he's got a paper due on Monday.

SPEAKER_02 20:04

So yeah, oh, I'm not gonna do my paper, I'm too cool.

SPEAKER_01 20:08

Are you cool? I don't know. No, he's he's not cool at all.

SPEAKER_03 20:12

And then we have the cute daughter. Uh his name is Ray, the son's name is Robbie, her name is Rachel. Three R's. Oh, I didn't even pick up on that. Who wrote this script? Like, no sane person in the world would write would write three names that all start with R. Because when you're doing the when you're doing the program, it you know, if you type one.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

When you're doing your script program, is what they had. If you've never written out a script program, it autofills your character.

SPEAKER_03 20:41

So if you type an R, it's gonna go Ray. So you only have one R. You know, you call the kid, you know, a swago and you call the the daughter, you know, please call him a Swago Sunbird, you know, and so each R, O, and S. Boom. Out come the names. Um two, three R names. I don't understand that.

SPEAKER_01 21:01

That's insane. That's a that's a hot tip for any final draft writers out there, all right.

SPEAKER_03 21:05

I mean, so if you look at 99% of scripts, every every if you have a hundred, if you have a hundred characters, they're each, you know, some of them are gonna be starting to start with an asterisk, a percentage sign. You know, if you got too many characters, you gotta do that. So dropping off the kids, they're going to Boston. Uh the what the ex-wife goes in the house, there's an engine on the dining table, is she smells his milk. I'm gonna smell your milk.

SPEAKER_01 21:33

Which is and it was fine, by the way. It wasn't even bad, right? She was she put it back in, so it must not have been expired. So I was like, what are you being so judgmental for? You gotta pour the lumps. You gotta give us a that was what I was thinking. I was like, Oh, here it comes chunky milk. It's my favorite. No, it was actually just fine. So get off his back about it, lady.

SPEAKER_03 21:54

And then they're they're fucking off to Boston.

SPEAKER_02 21:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 21:57

Great. Sounds like a lovely weekend.

SPEAKER_03 22:00

Tom drags Robbie out into the thing to play ball, and we start playing ball, and Tony immediately thinks they're playing ball wrong. That's not how I play ball.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

First note that I wrote for this movie. Uh-oh. Tom Cruise can't throw a baseball. That might be the only thing I've ever seen him not be able to do. I mean, I hear the noise. It's like, it's a hard one.

SPEAKER_03 22:26

It's a heater. It goes right to the ball.

SPEAKER_01 22:28

Keep in mind that this movie was nominated for best sound. Okay, so that's somebody just adding that in because they're like, well, he can't throw. I better add a nice. Now, does bad deep kids?

SPEAKER_03 22:43

Does the ball go through the window because Robbie dodges out of the way?

SPEAKER_01 22:46

Yeah, they didn't show that very well, but that is the idea is him and Tom are throwing harder and harder, and then the kiss just like, well, no, I'm not gonna catch it, and he whips it through and breaks the window. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:57

Robbie should have made that noise. Oh can't hit me. Then Tom should have picked up none baseball right in the nuts.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

That's a good movie right there.

SPEAKER_03 23:08

And then Rachel offers advice about how to deal with Robbie, you know, the sage child. You know, it's not how you're gonna get through to him.

SPEAKER_01 23:17

Sassy.

SPEAKER_03 23:18

And I mean, that was she delivered that line so good.

SPEAKER_01 23:21

She really delivered that line so good. Great. She is a w she was incredible. I'm sure I'm sure she still is. I don't what has she been in lately? I don't even know. Probably lots of stuff. Probably lots of stuff.

SPEAKER_03 23:33

Um and and all through this, we're sort of peppering some some TV show stuff where we're sort of setting up that there's some anomalies going on, and you know, things are happening.

SPEAKER_01 23:44

It's it's become I don't know. Maybe this is an age thing, Dan, because I I can't totally remember growing up. You've come to the right person. But like, if I'm flipping through channels and there's a news segment that's like end of the world, storms, no, nobody knows how it's happening, what's going on, and then they're like, eh, next. No, no, I'm gonna watch that because I'm like, what's going on? Talk to me. Even if I don't think it's dangerous, I'm like, no one knows what's happening. I gotta figure this out. So that was the most unbelievable part of this movie to me. Is that nobody stayed to watch a news segment that starts with nobody knows this natural thing that's happening? We better look in, click.

SPEAKER_03 24:27

Well, no, they would they go right so guys. She goes to Rachel goes right to the cartoons.

SPEAKER_01 24:32

So well, I mean, which is also is Spongebob, by the way. And I was like, Wow, good for you, Spongebob. That's 20 years ago. Good for you, Spongebob.

SPEAKER_03 24:43

This is 21 years ago. Uh okay, they go to bed. Um, and then uh Rachel gets a splinter, and we we get the the foreshadowing line. He's like, Come over here, I'll take it out. And then she says, No, no, when it's ready, my body will just push it out.

unknown 25:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

What's that foreshadowing?

SPEAKER_03 25:07

The whole movie, right? The whole movie is the the aliens are the infection, they are the splinter. Oh, and then when the earth is done with them, they're just gonna expel them out. Did not get that at all. That's the thing about this movie, is this movie's very simple, you know, in it in I think a very positive way. Most of what this movie is. I think this movie is it's a very good movie to study because the simplicity of it allows them to put the stuff in there that's interesting and memorable. And you're like, I remember, you know, it's like I remember this scene, and when a scene fails in this movie, it's kind of in some ways, it's sort of doubly problematic because you're like, sure, well, that whole thing didn't work. Right.

SPEAKER_01 25:53

Yeah, yeah, that's correct.

SPEAKER_03 25:55

Yeah, you know, but you're like, it's executed really well, but it doesn't make any sense, and it's stupid. Yeah. So and it's dumb. So my body will push it out. Uh Tom Cruise gets up after sleeping because he worked, and the car is gone. Robbie's taken off. Um, and but before he can try to track Robbie down, stuff starts happening in the sky. This big storm, they go to the backyard to look at it, and his his his neighbor holding a baby. I'm like, wait, who is that? It's Amy Ryan, of all people, who's like one of my favorite actresses.

SPEAKER_01 26:33

She was like, We know her. And I was I was like, No, we don't.

SPEAKER_03 26:36

Yeah, from the wire. And she's yeah, I was like, they have to bring her in a little more, you know. One of the other nope, never comes back in any time. But it's like, you know, I'm sure it's a great, great paycheck, you know.

SPEAKER_01 26:47

And if Spielberg calls you, you you say yes, you just say yes.

SPEAKER_03 26:51

So it's wonderful. So basically, we've got this big lightnings coming, the wind is blow blowing away from them towards the storm, which is crazy. Very well. And then then the lightning hits like 26 times. Um just great, just wonderful. Really cool, really cool. Um powers out, phones out, watches out, cars out, he goes looking for Robbie, gets to the garage, and the guy's like, ah, all the cars are dead, and tried switching out the starters, and it doesn't work. And then Tom Cruise is like, try the solenoids.

SPEAKER_01 27:27

Now, I understand that it's great that he knows the answer, right? That's wonderful. Yeah. And I get that he's rebuilding an engine in his kitchen in his kitchen, and he has a car, and he has a car. And I know this is a stupid thing to get hung up on, but why is he a crane operator? Just make him a car guy, you know what I mean? Like, I the job never comes into play, and I that's fine. You're right. Not everybody needs to have a job that saves the world. I I get all that, but you you could choose any job. That's not his job in the book, I assume. You know?

SPEAKER_03 28:09

Well, the crane that we do a couple things with the crane. The boss tries to get him to come back and he he cites union and he cites 12, he also cites 12 hours work, so he has to go home and crash for X amount of time. If you're a car guy, you control your own fate a little more. That's true. Yeah, I mean, are these important distinctions that the movie needs? But no, it would have made more sense if he was a car guy, and and you could have maybe weaved that in a little more.

SPEAKER_01 28:36

You could, yeah, you could make him a little more useful if you wanted, but I'm I'm okay with it not. I just I don't know why I got so hung up, but I just the whole movie, I was like, why is he a crane operator? Why did we choose that for this guy? See, I still don't know.

SPEAKER_03 28:51

You thought the end of the movie would be him battling the crane versus one of the well, they're big things, right?

SPEAKER_01 28:57

So I thought maybe at some point something would happen with a crane. It doesn't. I work at a crane, and let me tell you some hydraulic stuff. That could have been. There you go. It's hydraulics. That's not even a word I thought of. So it is a word.

SPEAKER_03 29:12

Um they go to the zap spot and

Tripods, Dust, And 9/11 Imagery

SPEAKER_03 29:15

they see it there. The rocks are cold, and then things start rumbling, we start crumbling the thing, and then the the first tripod comes up out of the ground. Um, I I thought they did such a good job, or Spielberg did such a good job of enticing the people to stay and continue to watch. Yes. Because that's all it's all the couple things you hate. It's like you should be running, and also why are you not doing a thing and you're like crazy? I'm cradling Tony's dying body. No, I'm just gonna say, Tony, I know you're dying, but I've got to run away because I want to live. Deuces. Both your legs are broken, you're done. I can't save you. Leave me, Dan. No, please gotta go. I wanna live. You're gonna die. It's tough. See, then later when you survive, because you've like improvised your own wheelchair to fight against a backpack.

SPEAKER_01 30:09

You know, we've seen that.

SPEAKER_03 30:11

Did you ever watch that movie? You ever watch that one? What movie? Alan Rick, Alan Ricken, that's a whole movie. Alan Rick and yes, yes, yes. It just came out like three months ago. No, that I for sure didn't say they're fighting against the alien war machine, and he he's like, I'm not gonna lose all my men, and so he takes the last guy. The last guy's like strapped to his back, and he has to like see keep going and fighting with the guy strapped to his back.

SPEAKER_01 30:33

There you go.

SPEAKER_03 30:33

And also the Predator movie, they speaking of L Fanning, he he puts L Fanning on his back. I started watching that the other day too. Okay, kind of interesting. Um not enough to keep watching, apparently. You know me. I start a I start a lot of things. I start a lot of things, and I finish way fewer of them than I think there's tons of stuff I start that I enjoy and then I just never finish.

SPEAKER_01 30:58

Yeah. I I'd say I understand, but I have I have a problem. I have to finish. I I can't leave something unfinished. It uh bothers me.

SPEAKER_03 31:07

So here comes the tripod, it comes up, yeah, and we start vaporizing. Oh, wait, hold on.

SPEAKER_01 31:12

I wanted to say something because I'm I'm fully on board with you. And I was reading, as I do, I was reading some Ron Tomatoes audience reviews. I don't care about critics. And there were a lot of people that were like, it's it's so stupid that people were all just standing and not running. They're wrong. And here's the and here's the answer. As a viewer, someone watching the movie, if I'm interested in what you're showing me, then somebody there would also be interested. Yeah. So the fact that he's you know, he's picking up the rocks, it's cold, it's you're like, what's what's happening? Oh, the earth's starting to open like, oh shit, what's happening? If I feel that way, then those people would too. And that's how it's that's when it's believable. Yeah. If I'm sitting there and I'm thinking to myself, just get out, you gotta get out of there. You gotta go. Nothing's happened, nothing's happened, nothing good is happening. You gotta go. If that's the way I feel, you have failed as a filmmaker.

SPEAKER_03 32:08

And and we as human beings, and we we we have all we as viewers know that shit's gonna go down. So we have an unfair advantage. We we're like, get out, I'll go. And that's another point. This would have been a better movie if it dealt with things a little more horror-like.

SPEAKER_01 32:26

Speelper. There are moments that I feel like it does, but I should have leaned into it fully.

SPEAKER_03 32:32

I think we, you know, this is a graph on the level of horror. The horror, yeah, the horribleness of everything should just continue to raise, rise. And the points at which, you know, you see the horror of humanity, you see the horror of the things, those that that's the best part. Those are the best parts.

SPEAKER_01 32:48

Agreed. Yes, 100%.

SPEAKER_03 32:50

So here we go. They start vaporizing people. And this is like the probably the strongest part of the movie where yeah, it's so cool. It is so cool. They they they turn to dust, and then their clothes kind of go. And then by the time he's by the time he gets home, he's covered in the dust of humans. Yeah, which is as as extreme a 9-11 allegory illusion as you could ever make. And you're like, okay, I get it. It's beautiful, you know. And the the kids, he's he's traumatized, the kids are like, What's what's this dust? And he freaks out and has to go and wash it off because of continuity. Um movie making show. Yeah, so just great.

SPEAKER_01 33:41

Yeah, it's it's wonderful. And there's I just want to shout out a shot. There's someone's holding like a camcorder, and then that person gets zapped. You don't see them get zapped, but the camcorder falls, and you're like, whoa, what just happened? And then the cam in the camcorder, you watch people get zapped, and it was awesome. It was awesome. Great stuff.

SPEAKER_03 34:04

So they're like, what happened? He he washes himself off, and then he he delivers an incredible line. He's like, We're leaving in 60 seconds. You're like, Yeah. He understands the gravity of what's going down, and they're just not where you want to be.

SPEAKER_01 34:22

Yeah, like we gotta go. I I don't the answer, yeah. I love it that he doesn't even try to answer the question because he doesn't know the answer to the question. As opposed to wasting time, this character is like, We got we're just going. Don't ask questions, we gotta go.

SPEAKER_03 34:37

60 seconds.

SPEAKER_01 34:38

Yeah, it's great.

SPEAKER_03 34:38

Pack up some food, they're out on the street, and they're they're not running. And he says it, he says it again, and then he reframes the argument, and he's like, We've only got about another minute. Because he knows that you can't panic too much because you might panic everybody around. Everybody else. You gotta keep everybody in a state. Yep. So he gets to the and we we're gonna sneak off. Yeah, he gets to the place, he steals a van that the the garage guy has fixed, and the garage guy is like, Hey, what are you doing? This is not you, this is not your van. Yeah, and he delivers a third incredible line. He's like, whatever the guy's name is, he's like, get in the get in the car, you're gonna die. Manny, get in or you're gonna die. Yeah, and you're like, and then he dies.

SPEAKER_01 35:27

He dies, it's great. You set it up and you pay it off. Thank you, Spielberg.

SPEAKER_03 35:31

And that's how you make movies. That's why this, you know, as a short 34-minute film at the beginning of this movie, perfection. Unbelievable.

SPEAKER_00 35:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:40

Uh, and then they drive. And uh Rachel is screaming. We have to we have to calm her down a few times. Robbie knows how to calm her down. The dad has to learn through the movie how to calm her down. Which they they do a decent job of of okay.

SPEAKER_01 35:58

They do okay.

SPEAKER_03 35:59

It's not great. Don't know why he sings her little douche coupe at the one point. Uh, I didn't understand that at all.

SPEAKER_01 36:05

You know, like it's he's all it's all he's got because he's not very fatherly, so it's just like a a song. I I don't know. Yeah, it was weird. Uh you don't no offense to, and uh hopefully I'm right about this. I feel like I'm right about this. Everybody knows a lullaby. You don't have to have kids to know a lullaby. You know what I mean? It doesn't have to be this specific lullaby. Great. You go. Yeah. I so it's weird that he's like, I don't know a single lullaby.

SPEAKER_03 36:35

Does he say does he say that? Not in words. But that's what your feeling was.

SPEAKER_01 36:39

But that's I mean, why else would he sing a random song?

SPEAKER_03 36:42

That doesn't have any kind of interesting rhythm or anything to it.

SPEAKER_01 36:45

You're just like, well, he's yeah, he's always like, it seems awkward and bad. It's very strange because I get the idea is like, oh, he's not very fatherly, so he doesn't know the songs to sing. That's fine. Have just have him sing something else that's a lullaby. Like we all know things, or a nursery rhyme. Like, there are lots of things that as adults you just inherently know. Uh, it doesn't have to be a weird pop song that makes no sense.

SPEAKER_03 37:11

Yeah. So that's

Food Fights And Family Friction

SPEAKER_03 37:13

all. They drive to the suburbs where the mom's house is, they at the mom's house. They fucked off to Boston. So they're like, okay, we do a whole making peanut butter sandwiches, and the kids don't want peanut butter sandwiches, and he throws them at the window and peanut butter's awfully runny, Dan. Do you did you notice this? Well, peanut butter is an issue, right? What do you mean?

SPEAKER_01 37:36

Peanut butter. The peanut butter is an issue, folks.

SPEAKER_03 37:41

Peanut butter lives in a range, right? A range of oil. The amount of oil to the peanuts. 100%. And so unless you're getting like the really the skippy and things like that that are are very much, you know, products of outer space, you know, if it's real peanut butter. Delicious. Yes. But though those things, it's you know, 50% sugar, 50% oil, and then they throw one peanut in at the end. Just crush up the one peanut on top, guys. It'll be fine. It'll be enough. And for whatever reason, they didn't want to, you know, you want to go with a brand like that, that you could just pull it out and it will spread nicely, but there's a lot of technical issues.

SPEAKER_01 38:22

Loopy and weird. And I'm just like, what is happening?

SPEAKER_03 38:25

I don't understand the peanut butter here. And as if these kids, and first of all, they're in a house that's gonna be packed with food.

SPEAKER_01 38:33

Without a date, yeah, those people have so much food in their counters. Yeah, you cabinets, not counters. That's not a thing.

SPEAKER_03 38:40

You open that fridge, there's gonna be lunchables, and there's gonna be this, there's gonna be that.

SPEAKER_01 38:44

Oh, lunchables are so good. They probably got those pepperoni pizza lunchables. Oh, with the Capri son. Come on, dude. So I love lunchables.

SPEAKER_03 38:54

This is this is where we're gonna start having these sort of manufactured things that are yeah, they're manufactured movie movie times, you know. Tom can get mad at them and he can throw the throat of the food away, and it's like no person, no person is gonna wanna in the midst of grief, eat a plain peanut butter sandwich. It's it's it's too much.

SPEAKER_01 39:16

It's not it's not a comfort food. It's so sticky in your mouth, like, oh, I'm I'm so sad. Come on, no, you're not gonna do it. If he had jelly, I'd be like, okay. Because it just changes the equation.

SPEAKER_03 39:31

It does change the equation.

SPEAKER_01 39:33

And then if he had Fritos and he crunched those up and drizzled them on top of the jelly, oh, that's a nice three-piece soup right there.

SPEAKER_03 39:42

Yeah. You you can't be giving them the shit of the world and saying, like, look at what I got for you kids. I'm I'm I'm working here. No. Just uh just open the fridge, there's apple juice in there. No, no, no, eat your peanut butter.

SPEAKER_01 39:55

Oh, yeah, he shit on vegetarian food earlier because the he did. Yeah, it was hummus. Hummus. Hummus is delightful. I'm sorry. Hummus is great.

SPEAKER_03 40:03

We we live in a world where even Tom Cruise's crane operator would have absolutely, you know, because when he's watching the thing, he's got like the two friends. The one guy who I I recognize has been in all sorts of things, and then the other guy is like kind of a Dominican or Puerto Rican kind of looking guy. And it's like if that guy's your friend, you have eaten everything.

SPEAKER_01 40:25

All sorts of all sorts of delicious, delicious foods.

SPEAKER_03 40:27

Very people that live in cosmopolitan New York are not going to crap on hummus.

SPEAKER_01 40:34

I've never eaten anything but ham. I don't know what that is.

SPEAKER_03 40:37

I don't know about everybody's grocery store, but my grocery store has an entire case and a floor to ceiling six-foot case, six-foot by four foot case, at least four feet, full of all these different hummuses.

SPEAKER_01 40:55

I love hummus, and everybody eats it. Yeah. Have it be like fried eggplant or something. Not that he doesn't know what eggplant is, but uh have you eaten a fried eggplant? It's not that good. I'm just gonna throw that out. They don't come at me, vegetarians, but like an eggplant parmesan, no thanks, no thanks, give me chicken.

SPEAKER_03 41:16

Okay, sandwiches, throws a thing, they sleep in the basement, and in the middle of the night, things go crazy, there's flashes, another great shot explosion. Pretty good, you know.

SPEAKER_01 41:26

When um when he bolts up, great, great physical work by Tom, by the way. Just bolts, bolts up, and then it's a shot on him, and then his son like comes into frame in front of him. It's good, just you know, the guy really knows. I don't know if he's gonna have a future in the movie making business, but this guy knows his stuff, okay?

Plane Crash Neighborhood And News Crew

SPEAKER_03 41:48

Yeah, so they wake up in the morning, he goes outside. What had happened the night before was an airplane had crashed into the neighboring house. You know, they've got an engine sticking in the top of their house. I'm like, okay.

SPEAKER_01 42:02

Now, this is this set that is on the back lots of Universal Studios, and you can take the tram ride through it. Oh, so you still see it. And like you can go through that set. It's still I it was still up last time. I was like five or six years ago, I think, but it was still up, and it is so cool. It's so big, it's so practical effects, man. I love them. We're we gotta get back.

SPEAKER_03 42:24

This one didn't look like a set, didn't look like a set to me. Yeah, yeah, that's fair. Then he sees a guy in the airplane, and boom, what we see is that guy is part of a news crew. We meet the news crew, he's deaf because he got his camera blown up or something. Somehow they're somehow their van is working. Don't know how their specific news van continues to work, but whatever. Yeah. And they're they're scavenging food and water off of this airplane, which of course makes no sense. We have hundreds of suburban homes that are all empty that they can take food out of, which are all stocked with as much food as you can want.

SPEAKER_01 42:56

Yeah, but airplane water hits differently. I don't know if you've ever been over the Atlantic four hours into a flight, but boy is that good, Dan.

SPEAKER_03 43:06

Um, they just basically fill him in on what's going on. They're attacking the entire world. This is the war of the worlds, we can't do anything. And you know, I thought I thought they were gonna invite him to go with them, but they don't. Nope, just push him out. Push him out of the van slowly.

SPEAKER_01 43:22

But right, close the door, see you later, and then they just drive off. We have work to do. See you later, sir. Good luck surviving. I don't know. It's it's a little weird.

SPEAKER_03 43:31

We go back into the house. We have to kick we have to cover up Rachel because if she sees the airplane, she's gonna freak out. We get her out there and then we just drive away.

SPEAKER_01 43:40

Okay. Yeah, I mean, you're gonna pop a tire. Just throwing that out there. There's a lot of debris. You're gonna pop a tire, but it's fine. I'll forgive it.

SPEAKER_03 43:50

Uh, so they're driving the back roads across Connecticut. They have to stop the pee. Rachel can't have them seeing her pee, so she goes down by the river, and then here. Come here, come the bodies floating dead in the river.

SPEAKER_01 44:03

Awesome. Just great stuff. I don't know where all these people came from, but I love that there's so many dead people just floating down the river. It's great.

SPEAKER_03 44:11

Tom rescues her and saves them, and they uh they go back up towards the car.

SPEAKER_01 44:17

Um and now we get our first army army shot.

SPEAKER_03 44:21

Yeah. So here comes, they look, here comes the military, they're coming down the road. And then Robbie freaks out and wants to join the military.

SPEAKER_01 44:34

We gotta go get revenge. I mean, listen, it's America. I to on the aliens what has Robbie lost, right? Um uh his car that he stole. That was his dad's car, not his car. Yeah, but he stole it. So then it's a finders keepers. So that's that's his okay.

SPEAKER_03 44:58

We need to give him some reason for wanting to join the military. Yeah, for sure. You know, if he's really if his dad is that big of a dick, and he because he he acts like his dad's a dick, but he doesn't act like his dad is that big a dick.

SPEAKER_01 45:12

Yeah, for sure. Ben there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:17

And they get splashed and then you know they get splashed. And the dad is just like, you just want oh, the uh he gets mad at dad because dad just drove to the mom's house because he wanted to dump them there.

unknown 45:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:32

Well, it's like, well, but you're trying to ditch your sister.

SPEAKER_01 45:35

I I don't understand Right. It's all none of it really makes a lot of sense. But I like the idea later of him having to choose between his two kids. Oh, sure. And if they had set it up like a little, like a little bit better. I mean, it's fine. I'm not mad at it. Um, until you know, until he's alive, and then I'm furious about it. But at the moment when he has to choose, I think that's a really nice moment. So I'm okay with giving this kid the desire to do it. I think they just needed to rework it a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 46:06

Well, they had to have a they had to give him a reason. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 46:09

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:10

You know, like they have his girlfriend along and then she gets vaporized. And I'm like, oh, my girlfriend's vaporized. That's bad. That's bad. You don't you don't want that, ladies and gentlemen.

SPEAKER_01 46:21

No.

SPEAKER_03 46:22

Uh they stay uh okay, so now the drive continues. Robbie has to take over driving, then we hit the first amount of refugees.

Mob Panic And Losing The Gun

SPEAKER_03 46:32

Everybody's refugeing, they're trying to get across some river, and so they're going to the ferry, and then at the ferry.

SPEAKER_01 46:41

Uh well, before the ferry.

SPEAKER_03 46:44

Well, they're they're trying to get to the ferry.

SPEAKER_01 46:46

A diner. Yeah. They're trying to get there.

SPEAKER_03 46:48

They're trying to get to the ferry, and then this is the point at which everyone starts banging on their car. Yeah. They start pulling them out of the car, which is your greatest fear is that you're gonna be split up or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 46:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:59

He pulls out his gun because he has a gun, and he puts it at a guy, then another guy pulls out a gun, puts a gun on him.

SPEAKER_01 47:06

Before that happens, okay. Yeah, Tom's got the gun out. Yeah. And he's like, Where's my son? Where's my son? And this some son of a bitch in this crowd is like, hey man, you don't need that. I wish Tom would have just shot that guy in the face. That would have been that's what I would have done. I'd be like, Oh, I don't need this. You just tore my family out of the car right between the eyes, pal. You're dead. How dare you tell me I don't need this gun. Uh, sorry, continued. That just infuriated me, but I was like, that is exactly what would happen. People would all of a sudden be like, whoa, whoa, what's what's going on? We're cool, we're cool. Fuck you. I hate humans.

SPEAKER_03 47:45

So the whole thing breaks down. He he drops his gun and drags his kid out of the car, and then they they flee to a diner, and then somebody picks up his gun, and there's more gunplay. You know, it's like it's gonna happen with re limited resources at a certain point.

SPEAKER_01 48:01

100%. There's a really great again, the Spielberg guy, right? There's a great shot of the other crowd guy finding Tom's gun and like picking it up. And you to credit to this guy. I don't know if he it was an extra or you know, audition for this, but there's a really nice like moment that Spielberg hangs on him as you see him calculating. Yeah. And then we cut to the diner, and then you hear the gunshots. It's just like, fuck, dude. It's intense.

SPEAKER_03 48:32

And and this is this is one of those, you know, it's just a great scene because their resources are getting taxed. You know, you used to have a gun in a car. Now you don't have a gun in a car.

SPEAKER_01 48:43

Yeah, nothing. Yeah. Yeah, you're out of luck.

SPEAKER_03 48:47

But the other the other flip side of that is when they left the mom's house, didn't take any food. I'm like, that's stupid.

SPEAKER_01 48:52

That's great. Which is which is funny because Tom yells at the kid about the food that they bring to the mom's house, and it's like, just restock. You got up, you got an opportunity, just rape the raid this place. It's your place, it's not even illegal. Nope. But they don't.

SPEAKER_03 49:09

So now we have the whole ferry thing.

Ferry Chaos And The Burning Train

SPEAKER_03 49:12

They're trying to get on the ferry to go. Oh, okay. We to get to the ferry, we have to go by the missing signs. Everyone's put up missing signs. Another another allusion to 9-11. Too soon. Couldn't have happened. How they without power, how are they printing up signs and how do they even know who's lost? You know, it's like, you know, 9-11 was a very focused one place thing. Then you put up the signs and and things are in flux in a tiny area, very specific area, and you get it. You know, people are mourning and they're going through a thing. We've not had time to mourn. There's been no mourning and no regrouping.

SPEAKER_01 49:52

100%.

SPEAKER_03 49:52

It's gonna come in a month.

SPEAKER_01 49:55

The imagery is still tough, though.

SPEAKER_03 49:57

Yeah, it's real imagery, and that's why they did it. But when you're when you're an angry person like me, I I don't take that shit. I don't take that shit. So now they've they've they've joined the throng that's going towards the ferry. Ding ding ding ding ding. Here comes the train. The train rolls by, the train's completely on fire. Pretty cool, pretty cool shot. Yeah. You know, the guy that the guy in the writing room that came up with that one, you're like, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:28

Nicely. Nicely done, sir. Here's ten dollars. Two desserts. Two desserts for that guy. You get extra catering? I mean, that's a good day, right there.

SPEAKER_03 50:36

Uh so there's they're trying to get on the ferry, and then boom, here come the tri comes a tripod, here comes three tripods. This scene then falls apart. Um we needed the people on the we needed the tripods to be destroying everyone who hadn't got on the ferry. They have we have to see hundreds of people murdered by the tripods. More clothes. More clothes. They need to just totally surround this whole area and ignore the ferry. The ferry gets off, and then uh what really happens is a tripod comes up and tips over the ferry. Yeah. That's what we needed. We needed all those people hunted, then we have one in the in the river that takes care of them.

SPEAKER_01 51:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:21

Perfect. That's correct. And it also sets up why there were bodies in the water, you know, because the tripods are working in the water.

SPEAKER_01 51:28

They're doing some great work. Very proud of them.

SPEAKER_03 51:32

And then somehow the three of them do fine and then all easily swim together to the and never felt like never felt like they were in jeopardy to me.

SPEAKER_01 51:39

Yeah, I mean, I get that. They get hit by that car, which I suppose maybe sends them further away from the pack.

SPEAKER_03 51:47

Yeah. You know, I don't know. Um, and then we also see, and then on the shore, we see them starting to harvest people. Yeah. Yeah, that's fun. And we also have a really nice, maybe it's the next morning, we have a clothes fall where all these clothes just sort of fall.

SPEAKER_01 52:05

Yeah. I always enjoy that, uh, the imagery they use for that. I mean, it's you know, not great. Good. It's it's well done. That's what I'm trying to say.

SPEAKER_03 52:13

We're an hour and seven into the movement movie, hour and fifty-one movie.

The Ridge Battle And Letting Go

SPEAKER_03 52:17

Now we have the Battle of the Ridge. You wanna you wanna talk about the Battle of the Ridge, Tony?

SPEAKER_01 52:23

I'm so I'm actually honestly a little confused by it. Now, where is this ridge? Because so I don't know. So, well, right, but I feel like I should know just because they're on foot. So they haven't gone very far, right? No. So there's a shot when they first climb out, yeah, and there's like a hill in the background where the robots are mowing people down, which is great. Is that the ridge? I don't know. Where did the army come from? Like, I'm I'm just I'm geographically, I'm confused. And then all you see is like over the ridge is you know, lights of explosions and stuff. Um, and then you cut close-ups to one group of people that are like, it's not working. Yeah, it's not working, boss. No good. Uh I just I feel like from the guy who made saving private Ryan, this scene could have been much better. Um, but you know, time constraints, I don't know, budget. Who knows? Who knows? It's lacking. However, having said that, I do enjoy the part where Tom has to tackle his own son and he's like trying to hold him down.

SPEAKER_03 53:37

Okay, so wait, so what happens is so the battle is ostensibly occurring over the hill, over the ridge. Yeah, over yonder, I believe is how we say that. Humvees are heading up the ridge to go battle. So the stupid son is like, I'm gonna join them by running over the ridge. Just without weapons. And and so he puts the Rachel by this tree and then runs after Robbie, it tackles Robbie, and's like, you know, basically, like, you're not running away from us. You you know, we're we're in this together. Okay, and then another couple comes up and they're like, Oh, child, we must take you to safety. You will be ours, and we will dress you as a boy or whatever. Who knows? What's up with these people?

SPEAKER_01 54:20

I so do you remember the Gerard Butler Armageddon movie? Yeah, I can't remember what that was called. Greenland? Anyhow, so Greenland, the wife and the daughter are like, or the dot the son, the wife and the son are traveling, and a couple like takes them out and then steals the son because he's got the tag, and they're like, We're gonna pretend to be your new parents. It reminds me of that, only there's no intention behind it in this movie. They're just like, Hey, you're a child. You should prop you shouldn't be by a tree, you should come with us. And I I don't know. I feel like I feel like there should be some dark, a little more sinister behind this. I don't know. I just thought it was weird.

SPEAKER_03 55:04

We haven't eaten in two days. Come with us, little girl.

SPEAKER_01 55:08

Yeah, a little get the meat on the bone. I don't know. I just it was a little weird.

SPEAKER_03 55:12

That's a little movie called The Road. Don't don't go see that movie.

unknown 55:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 55:18

That movie's like pose a pose apocalypse, and everybody's just the only food left is the other people. I mean, you gotta do what you gotta do. Okay. My understanding is the movie does not end well.

SPEAKER_01 55:30

Sure. Well, it doesn't sound like it starts well, so there you go.

SPEAKER_03 55:33

So he chooses Rachel, and as he goes back to get Rachel, Robbie heads over there, and then here come the Humphreys burning over the hill after he's gone. Right.

SPEAKER_01 55:43

Which is because they're now driving that direction, which is weird, like so. Did they get caught on fire? And then the guy turns the car around and drives over the ridge. I gotta get out of here. I don't know. It was very weird. And then boom, here comes one of the tripods, it's on fire. And then light blows up the entire ridge. Yeah. Robbie's dead. I want everyone to know Robbie is dead. Dead as a doornail. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 56:10

So they're running down, and then here's like this one house that's right there at the bottom of the ridge, and then here's uh what's his name? Uh Tim Robbins. He's all like, come on, hide in this basement. Hide in the basement.

Tim Robbins Basement Detour

SPEAKER_03 56:23

Now, now the basement begins. They hide in the basement with him. Uh, this is when Ray has to sing the song Little Deuce Coop to get Rachel to fall asleep, and then he beats.

SPEAKER_01 56:34

Yeah, I liked here's my problem with the Little Deuce Coop song is it ruins a nice moment for me. She is like, sing me this song, and he's he's I don't I don't know that one. She's asked for a different one, and he starts crying. And he's like, I don't know that one either, because he doesn't really know his own daughter, and there's you know, there's he's wrestling with this internally, like I'm you know, I'm a failure, but I'm here, I got I have to do something. And then he does something stupid and sings a really weird song. I wanted this to be more intentional, more like it's a really nice moment until he's like, uh, do you like the beach voice? Is that who sings that? I feel like this. I don't even know who sings it. I don't know. But it's just like, I come on, you know what I mean? Like, I don't I don't know. It was it was very weird and it takes me out. He should have been like, Do you like scene?

SPEAKER_02 57:29

Bone in the USE. I was born in the USA. Yeah, it's that's great.

SPEAKER_01 57:37

It's a weird, it ruins a really nice scene. That's my problem with it. Like, it's a it's such a weird choice that it ruins a really nice emotional moment. It's really weird. You can't win them all.

SPEAKER_00 57:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:49

So boom, we get to spend a little time with Tim Robbins. He talks about how they've been they've been planning this attack for a million years. This is not a wolf, it's extermination.

SPEAKER_01 58:00

Okay, but I want him to be 10% crazier. Not right out the gate. But as we get to know him, I want to feel like he's dangerous. Not on purpose necessarily, but like he's lost his screw and he is dangerous. Because then when Tom has to kill him, there's more emotional weight to it. Yeah. Because you're you're killing someone with a problem as opposed to someone that's just in your way, sort of. Exactly. And it's like I want him to have to wrestle with, and we don't really deal with it either. No, like that you just murdered a person with your daughter sleep, like laying in the next room. Let's live in that for a second. We've spent there's so much good in this movie, emotional weight. Yeah. That this is what do you do? What do you mean he just murdered a guy and he comes back? He's like, boy, I am beat. I'm gonna take a little nap. No. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 58:57

Well, we get a couple lines here that just muddy the water even more. Tom Cruise asks, Why did you bring us here? Sure. As if he As if he no, he he he like offered you shelter in the in the destruction. He he didn't lure them under false pretenses. They were gonna die. And he was like, Come down here and maybe you'll be safe.

SPEAKER_01 59:23

Yeah. Nope. And then it's all weird.

SPEAKER_03 59:25

And then he's like, to fight them. And you're like, are they really fighting them? I I don't see a lot of fighting. They don't do any fighting. They don't do any fighting. Yeah. So we see that the the red vines that they're out there, the Martians are outside and they're they're sort of um terraforming or martian forming. So they're sort of sort of you know, sort of making things more wet and making red vines, which will turn our whole turned into red vines.

SPEAKER_01 59:50

Yes, exactly. Red vines are good.

SPEAKER_03 59:52

Um and then boom, we play hide and seek with the with the eye on the thing. It was fine.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:02

They show it a mirror, and it's like, whoa, who's this good looking cat?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:06

Um it leaves, and then the Martians come down there to look around and take a bath.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:11

Yeah, we didn't need to do this part because they don't do anything. Uh huh. Super weird. It's kind of like I don't even what is it? I don't even know what it reminds me of. It's because they're just kind of like checking things out. Yeah, it's no reason. Why are they there? Are they collecting things? Do they do they need a certain thing to like feed the machine? You know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:30

They're kind of doing uh antique hunting because they they find some photos, and that's what I was like. Oh, maybe they're antiquers. That's what I thought for a second.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:38

It's like some storage wars shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:39

They're just like what can we bring back to Mars?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:42

What do we got?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:43

Yeah, so we uh you never know. You never know. And then uh Tim Robbins wants to shoot him with a shotgun, and then we sort of have a silent fight where it's like yeah, um, somebody needs to get hurt here to like amp up what's because they're just kind of fighting over a gun.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:04

But that would have made bullshit, just pushing it. Well, but that's the thing. Like, if if a knife is slowly going into your gut, like you gotta be quiet as shit, but like ow, you know. That would be good. Right, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:16

If Tom Cruise was if Tom Cruise murdered him here, that would be much better.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:20

But had to like keep him silent and just looking right in his eyes.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:25

I mean, that's some powerful shit. That would have been good. If Tom Cruise has a knife and he just sticks it in him, and you know, once his name knows he can't scream out, because it's gonna be worse for them, you're like, I'm oh yeah, that's it. That's actually just that's tough.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:40

That's tough stuff. We don't do that.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:42

But instead, they sleep it off, the eye comes back. No, wait, no, no, no, no. Before that, yeah, big honking noise happens, the Martians fuck off, and then um we we we learn that that they they're eating the humans and then spitting out the blood, and then the blood is what fertilizes the vines. Okay, yeah, that's it's gross. That's gross. They they deliver it very uh like it's being delivered, as opposed to sure. You know, it's kind of like, well, you know what they're doing, they're using a fertilizer. Oh, okay. Wow. So Tim Robbins' new plan is to dig tunnels under their stuff to the city?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:29

That feels like a really long hole. I don't I don't have any awareness of how far they're, but they're not close, right? He's in some sort of a neighborhood. It looks pretty rural. He's he's gonna be digging for a long time.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:44

Yeah. So basically, Tom Cruise's like, yep, I gotta kill him, gakes the shovel, goes and kills it.

Grenades, Martian Weakness, And Boston

SPEAKER_03 1:02:50

Gotta get this guy out of here. We're done. They sleep it off, the eye comes back, then he axes the eye with the thing, then they run out into the red swamp, and then she gets grabbed, or Tom gets grabbed, we kind of go back and she gets grabbed first.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:07

But he ends up going, getting grabbed, and he has a whole bunch of grenades. Grenades? Yeah, did he get them from somebody? I don't get them from. I wrote Tom gets the grenades.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:21

I just wrote he got them. So somehow he got them. Oh he got them. That's all you need to know.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:27

They're putting in a little cage with some other humans, and then we see that the humans get sucked up into the machine through this really wonderful orifice.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:36

Like a urethra, a little bit, you know?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:38

Little urethra. So they suck one guy up and then they suck Tom up, but everybody decides that Tom is worth saving, and so they all grab our not the guy before.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:47

The guy before Tom, they were like, no, yeah. He was kind of a dick when he got here, so they can take him. Uh super weird. Now, I I understand that we don't know how the machine works. Yeah. Right. Um, but where does he put the grenades, you think? Because he doesn't go all the way in.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:10

Well, the the whole idea is he's getting sucked in, they pull him back out, but they pull him back out and he let go of the grenades. So the grenades get sucked in. So they get sucked into the tummy or whatever it may be.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:21

Okay. And it blows up the whole thing. Blows up the whole thing. It feels like a pretty serious weakness. That's all. That's all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:30

Well, Tony, think about this. You're you're eating eating something, and somebody puts a bunch of bombs on your pizza, and you eat your pizza. You're not gonna do well when the bombs go off in your stomach.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:42

You're just describing every Friday night.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:44

Hey. Uh, by the way, this is when the movie just starts moving at a break nest breakneck pace to get over. Get to finish.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:54

Because there's no climax. So at that point, they're like, well, there's not really anything left to do. We've done everything. Now they just die. So what do we do? I guess I don't know. It's tough.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:06

Yeah. So everybody helps him, boom. Somehow, this thing that's, you know, I don't know, 200 feet in the air crashes down. Very tall.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:15

They all live. Well, they fell into a tree, and that somehow was was good. The fact that they don't show anybody with like impaled on a limb is that's a real missed opportunity.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:30

They don't do a lot of showing the the general suffering, you know, of other people. Like and that, like I said, that's the movie I want to see. I want to see the movie where everybody in that cage is dead, and then he pulls Rachel's body out of, you know, she's like the one other living person, and and she only lived because they all died.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:50

You know, that's what I want to see. That's good. I want my guess. That's the movie I want. Um, so then they start walking, walk past the sign that says Welcome to Boston. They pick up some of the red vines. They've turned white and crumbly. And he's like, something's happening.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:07

Something's different. This is less red than the other ones. Ah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:12

They walk and they see their first tripod since escaping. Tripod has crashed into a building, and they say, Hey, Mr. Soldier, man, what happened? He's like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:23

It started acting erratically, then it fell down.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:28

And that's it. That's the whole story. He's like, uh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:33

And then they keep going, and then here comes a sort of active tripod. And then Tom notices that the birds can fly up and take shit on it. And he saw like he shakes a soldier. He's like, Soldier boy, soldier boy. Soldier boy. I think they're they're their uh force field's not working anymore. He's like there's no shield. Yeah. So then they get out the rocket launchers and they shoot one down. Which they didn't really need to do because it probably was gonna die anyhow. Well, they get the they get to do it, and then it crashes over, and then they all walk over, and the this hatch opens, and this orange fluid pulls out, and then here comes a Martian and his hand comes out. That's like the final that's this is the final scene in the the the 50s movie. Is one Martian ship crashes, and then this one hand comes out, and then the hand dies, and that's all you see, and you're like, oh. And then we have the voiceover that's like 'twas the common cold. You know, you go right into it. You don't you can't if you're caring about see that's the problem with movies now, is we have to care about the stupid people. And it's like that's the problem. Screw the people, we just want to see the mushrooms die.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:43

Well, because here's the thing is it the story not really about them because they don't do anything, they're just they are our vessels to get into this story.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:53

So we spent too much time with them. Here's my counter pitch. Oh, okay. He's pitching this thing falls over, yeah. The thing opens up, this guy is crawling out, he's got a machine gun. No, and then he sneezes and then he dies. So that way you really know what he died from. You know what I mean? I need just one little and then he's dead.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:19

Oh, I would I would have loved that bitch. Steven Spielberg could have been like, um, you can no longer be in America.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:26

You're get out of my room. But he's got the cold boss. Do you get it?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:32

He's got the cold. So then we have this tact on scene where they then walk to Boston, they get to the brownstone where they're vis the mom is visiting her parents, and they're totally fine. Rachel runs in and then, oh, who's there?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:48

Also, Robbie's there. How? Why? What is the point of that? You spent 25 minutes of this movie explaining how Tom needs to let him go. Like you, you can't save them both, Tom. You gotta choose, choose the girl because she doesn't suck. You know, he made the right choice. We can all agree. The kid's gotta be dead. There has to be the moment with him and uh the the mom and the daughter hugging, and then the mom looks to uh Tom Cruise and he just has to give her a no. You know, just like a simple head shake, and then she embraces the daughter. That's it. That's all you need.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:26

Oh, that would be poignant because someone they lot they only two of them made it.

unknown 1:09:32

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:32

Nope, they all made it.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:33

That's just pretty darn good. They all everybody lived, their house hasn't been touched. Why is Boston not touched? Boston. Boston's a big city.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:43

Boston destroyed. I mean, if I'm the Martians, that's where I hit first. Because they're the most obnoxious.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:50

Most obnoxious people become the Celtics fans, gotta go, you know. Uh I don't know. It's it's just it's such a letdown. And obviously, the movie's not perfect. There are parts that I disagree with and I didn't love, but this ending spits in the face of everything that came before, especially the first act. The first act is so powerful, it's all messed up, and then you get to the end, and it's just like, yeah, but they're good. So don't worry about it. Everybody's fine, everyone's happy, they all love each other. I didn't like it. I didn't like it at all. I was very mad. Um, I need that kid to be dead for sure. I also feel like their house should be beat up and they just were living in the basement. So when they get there, he's like, Oh god, they're all dead. But then they like crawl out, and then they get to have that moment where he's like, Well, your son's dead, but I gave you the daughter.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:45

So he gets there and the whole streets of shambles, he walks up there, and then he hears like a hears like a tapping.

unknown 1:10:51

Tap, tap.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:52

Great. Tap tap.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:53

He's like pulling at the things. And then there they are. There they are.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:58

Do something. This is just such a dumb ending.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:01

It's so dumb. And and half of the half of the new husband's face is gone. He could be bandaged over. You know, like these some of them should have been bandaged or something, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:15

Sure. Some someone should be hurt on some level. Also, I would love if his car was messed up. Oh, and then Tom gets to make a joke about the car because they talk about the car earlier, about how it's a nice car. Nice car. You know, do anything. Literally anything is better than just giving me a scene where yeah, they're all good, they're all fine. Yeah. It's just it's such a horrible ending because, again, the common cold, while a wonderful story, yeah, makes for a very lackluster movie ending. Because it's not climactic, right? It just happens. And so then you give me an additional scene where again nothing happens. It's anticlimactic, and then double anticlimactic, and your whole movie just crashes down to earth. Um, yeah, bad, bad, bad stuff. So that that is exactly why I was so mad 20 years ago, and I am still mad today, turns out.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:10

I I gotta tell you this. I I didn't like that ending. It was stupid, but I hated the ridge scene more. Ridge scene angry. The ridge scene was what made me angry. That's sure. That's the scene still makes me angry. You know, stupid. I hate it. Yeah, I just hate this kid. I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? Your kid.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:26

You know. What are you doing, kid? You can I'd let him go too. I would have let him go a long time ago. Yeah, all right, go. I just I I'll take care of you. There's you are too much to handle. Get out of here.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:36

And that's the thing, is it it is pretty fixable with the kid. If he was if he was absorbing the news, and if he was out there at the news van, and and you he had to come out to the news van and s and see what's going on. See the destruction. And just be like, what the hell, what the hell is happening? It's like, and say, Dad, we you know, we can't just keep running away.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:57

We gotta fight.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:58

Yeah, you gotta you gotta show him. He hadn't he absorbed no information about what was going on, really.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:04

He just wanted he was just pubescent, is that the word? He's just going through some changes and he's got a lot of anger, you know? But he didn't have a lot of anger.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:13

If he had a lot of, he's like I'm throwing the ball, you know. If he if he's like if he was winging that ball at Tom Cruise's nuts, then I'm like, oh yeah, this kid, this kid got some issues, you know. He he's you know, he pulls out a zip knife, you know, he's like, Oh, you got a zip knife. Won't play catch bitch.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:30

Yeah, great.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:31

He's like, You come near me with that ball again. I cut you, Dad. Like, whoa, this kid wound up.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:37

Oh boy, oh boy.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:39

Yeah. Then we do we do a voiceover that the invaders were doomed by the smallest thing on earth. The virus.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:47

Like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:49

I kind of already got it. It doesn't work if you you know, if you've already done the like the epilogue scene, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:56

You do that, he died because of the virus. You have to do that when he dies. You can't do it after this dumb tack on scene.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:03

It doesn't make any sense. Yeah, you fumble you fumbled the ending. You know, you get to the one large line and you just you drop the ball. It happens. Seen it a bunch of times. Anything else to say about this uh seeming masterpiece? I I don't think so. Uh I just want to reiterate, like it the that first act is dynamite. It's really great.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:27

And that's the thing is Spielberg, you know, even in the basement when they're running, you know, hiding from things, yeah, masterfully done. You know, the guy's brilliant. You can follow what's going on, you never get too lost, but then he loses you and then he picks you back up, and he does all those little things to perfection. I it's just I don't know if he can devet you know, developing a script like this to where it's really that point. I think this is gonna be the part with the the new movie, it's gonna be the same sort of thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:57

Yeah, um I I still want to see it. Oh, yeah, of course. Um, but I I'm with you. I'm with you.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:04

It seems like there's gonna be these things that you're like, oh, well, that's okay. Yeah, uh, that's fun, you know. But he knows how to pick people and that's fun, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:14

Yeah, only blunt. She's gonna be great. She's gonna be great. She's gonna all be great.

What We Watched This Week

SPEAKER_01 1:15:18

Very excited.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:18

Now we talk about things we like this week. I watched the Zazzy Beats movie They Will Kill You. Oh, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:27

I've seen that. Not I have not watched it, but I've seen it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:30

It's a ready or not kind of movie. Not as good as good as Ready or Not.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:34

I mean, that movie's perfect.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:35

Ready or not too yet. Gotta see that. Nope, sure haven't. Um, yeah, Ready or Nuts. I rewatched that one a while ago, and you're like, it's so good.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:42

I love everything in this. She's so good.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:44

So she's so so good. She's great. Adam Brody's great. I mean, the movie's great. It's fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:50

This one, same sort of thing. Sans beats is great. The the the co-stars are great. Um some fun stuff. Um, and it they're kind of playing with a twin tarantino thing at times. And it's just sure. These kind of movies a lot of feet.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:04

Is that what you're telling me? No, not a lot of feet.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:07

You know, the these kind of movies, I guess, you know, we've got we got the we got the back rooms, we got the obsession, yeah, and we got another one called Hokum, which I guess is better than both of those people say. So there's all these great horror movies.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:21

Hokum's out, I think. Yeah, yeah, these are all out. Video. So all out.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:25

Now, if you did you see obsession?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:26

Obsession and backrooms, they're both Naomi saw obsession, and I probably shouldn't tell her views on here, but she was unhappy. Not unhappy, just unscared. Oh, unscared. Yes, yeah. I don't know if you know the premise, but I don't know. Part of me is like maybe we should do it for this show just because people love it, and I'd love to you know get your reactions.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:47

Yeah. Um, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:49

But who knows? We'll see.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:51

Okay, Tony.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:52

She's great. The guy who made that is fantastic, Curry Baker. He's he's great.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:57

The horror guys are the horror horror people are doing it. You know, there's what's his what's his name has the I Saw the TV glow. Doesn't that that I don't know if it's a woman or man or a day? Oh boy, I don't know. I see the TV glow. I feel I feel like I do know that. Really enjoyed I I saw the TV glow. I'm sure I recommended it on here. Um, weird movie, super weird movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:19

Jane Schoenbrun. Yeah, she has a new movie, or they have a new movie. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:24

What are you doing, little dog? The little dog is like going places. She's get up here. We're almost done. Tony, what'd you like this week? What tell me something terrible that you liked?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:34

That's no, I well, I mean, who knows? It did get canceled after one season, so you might oh you watched the Burrows? Wow, good job. Look at you keeping up with the times. Uh yeah, we did. We watched the Burrows and we really enjoyed it. The Doofer Brothers? Yeah, the Duff Duffs. Um, you know, I'm not mad at them. All right, we love Stranger Things the way that it ended. Come, you can fight me anytime you want. Um, I we thought it was great. We're not done with it. We're about halfway through, but uh, it's fun. I watched Alfred Molina.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:03

He's great. I watched the first episode.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:05

So good, dude. I love him. It seemed interesting.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:07

You're like, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:08

Uh Bill, wonderful. Yeah. Pullman, just great.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:12

Yeah, the cast is playing different characters than we're used to.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:15

You're like, okay, I haven't seen this guy. He's old weird people. Yeah, so we're we're having a great time with it.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:21

But that's the problem with going to war with uh your streamer, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:26

Sure. Leaving your streamer. Usually you you lose. I mean, that's you're not gonna win that. Yeah. We're not gonna put up with your bullshit anymore. Yep. Like, oh, really? So, but uh very fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:40

Cool.

Next Movie Picks And Wrap-Up

SPEAKER_03 1:18:41

Okay, we need a new movie. Uh our boy Jules in Australia sent me this one. I I have like I have a I have how many I had four new movies, four movies. One of which no, five new movies, one of which hasn't come to streaming yet, but we're doing it when it comes.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:58

Okay. Oh, I can't wait.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:59

These ones are all these are all winners of the saving those. But it was it was nice to add like five movies to my list in a week where I'm just like, and most of them are you know in the last year or two.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:11

Yep. Um but also we have a large back catalog, so it's just it's hard to keep up.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:16

You know, he suggested this movie, which I'd never heard of, 2018. I think it's on Prime or Netflix. Uh Clive Owen Anon. A-N-O-N. And it looks a little back movie, and it's you know, it's a psychological thriller.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:37

Of course it is. Why wouldn't it be?

SPEAKER_03 1:19:43

It sounds like there's like a couple like a quarter inside the drawing machine.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:47

Ah, sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:48

I don't have the drawing machine, but it's a couple of most people. I won anon, so it looks like he sees like a seafried.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:57

Yeah, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:00

It looks like a weird movie. It looks like something we can be very critical of how people are making weird decisions. Like this movie, you're like, we can't really make a lot of sure. There's not a lot of big stretches in in where the storytelling is. You're like, okay, yeah. We're moving along a path from New York Home. And that's what's happening. We're on that path, and things are gonna get in our way.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:28

Some of it, sometimes. All right. Um, yeah, I see it. 36% on Rotten Tomatoes. Great. That's right in our wheelhouse. I love it.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:38

We're the 36% guys. But it there was a lot of the more recent ones with people the audience was given it four and five stars, so who knows?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:46

You know, I can't. I'm so excited to hear what you're we're gonna pick in this future here. Very excited. Oh.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:52

I found I found two movies that I was just like, the one I'd never even heard of. And has somebody some real people in it. It's just like, how do they keep putting these? The streamers just put movies out.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:05

Yes, that is correct. Yeah. Well, it's all about those minutes watched or I'll tell you what the one is. Yeah, okay, tell me.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:13

The new uh the new um uh uh uh Nate Barketz, Nate Berkatzse movie. I don't he has a movie coming out? Coming out. I love Nate. Oh, it's already out? Already already out and failed. The breadwinner. Okay. I looked it up on Voodoo. And they're Voodoo's like, do you want to pre-order this? I'm like, but when's it coming out? Um, yeah, my buddy Mike that works in the movies, he he he had the choice. He he could have gone to see because he has to he programs movies, so he gets to go see stuff, you know, beforehand. So he could have seen he could have gone to backrooms or to breadwinner. But his his person he was working with, they were you know, they were like, Oh, can I go see back rooms? He's like, Okay, I'll go see breadwinner.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:04

And he was he was like, Oh, my life is terrible. I can't believe it.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:11

He was like, oh yeah. He he was like, this movie's gonna do terrible. And surprisingly, not surprisingly, it did terrible.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:19

Did this come out in theaters? Just in the last couple of months. Wow. I not a clue. Not even a little bit on my radar, but it's what happens when you don't watch TV to get like trailers.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:31

It's got like Will Forte in a in a does a dozen bit role, and it's basically Kumail, Colin Joast, Mandy Moore. I think plays the wife. I think she placed the wife. Yeah, I think it's the whole thing is you know, she has to go back to real work and then he's gotta take care of the kids.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:49

Oh, where do you put the food in? And he put the food in my mouth. He d I don't know. I'm the dad. I'm the dad. I don't know anything. Where do we put all this shit?

SPEAKER_01 1:23:03

Oh, gender roles. Confused. 2026, baby.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:08

I can't wait to do the breadwinner. All right. Well, it's gonna have to be a couple of weeks, Dan.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:13

It's not available yet. So uh great. And I've got one for next week that is coming out next Friday. You mean it's becoming available next Friday? It's gonna become available next week. So I'll have to double check on the date, but I think we're gonna be okay. I have to have some time to actually watch the movie, Tony. Damn, I don't care about your life. Okay. Is it coming? I'll do what I tell.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:35

Is it on one of the streamers or is it one me coming out?

SPEAKER_01 1:23:37

No, it's a it's a streaming movie. Let me let me look up the date. I'm not picking it yet, obviously.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:43

Uh release date. Uh June 26th. Oh, that might be too late for you.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:51

That's fine. When is it? Okay. Is it on Friday? Is it released on Friday?

SPEAKER_01 1:23:55

I well, you said it's fine, so we'll just wait till next Saturday and talk.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:59

If it's released on Friday.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll have time because your movie is now, and then next week I'll pick that one. So yeah, we'll have plenty of time.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:06

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it'll be released, yeah, when we're doing the next one. So Anon with Clive Owen being a non being like a killer or something in some liminal space or something. Who the fuck knows? Space? Is that me? Liminal space.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:21

You know, that's like not going to watch a trailer. Oh, you're not gonna watch a trailer. I like to go in blind. It's nice. I think it's to you, I think you can watch it somewhere. I don't know. We'll find it. Yeah, we'll figure it out.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:32

Oh, it's all good. I'm gonna go have lunch. Me

Support The Show And Goodbye

SPEAKER_03 1:24:36

too. Uh, if you like what you see, give us a thumbs up, give us a comment, or subscribe. All things you can do to support the show. Yeah, like it's so weird. Sometimes we'll get like 30, 40 views, and sometimes we'll get eight.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:50

Well, to be fair, neither of those numbers are very good.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:52

So any any number less than a hundred, pretty much the same number. It's worth nothing.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:00

Yeah, it's fine. You're in you're in the double digits. That's not great, right? You gotta get to trip ditch. We'll get there. Episode 300's coming up. Oh, that's terrible. Okay. We'll see you next time. Goodbye, everybody.