Hate Watching Mercy: Cannot Compute

An AI judge. A 90-minute timer. One chair that can end you. Mercy sells itself like a sleek future-court thriller, but the more we follow its rules, the less the world holds together and that’s where our review gets viciously fun.

We walk through the movie’s central idea: Judge Maddox runs the Mercy Court as judge, jury, and (indirectly) executioner, while Chris Pratt’s Detective Chris Raven has to prove his innocence with no lawyer and almost no real investigation happening on the system’s side. We dig into the “guilt percentage” threshold, the film’s obsession with interconnected twists, and the strange choice to make the supposed hero an abusive alcoholic, which flips the entire emotional engine of the story. If you care about screenwriting, pacing, and believable stakes, we call out the exact moments where the logic collapses.

The conversation also goes bigger than one movie. We argue about what AI can and can’t do, why people over-trust chatbots, and why any story about algorithmic justice needs an actual point of view on ethics, bias, and accountability. Mercy keeps teasing a message about AI courts and policing, then swerves into a finale where the AI behaves however the plot demands, leaving us asking what the movie even thinks it’s saying.

We wrap with what we’re enjoying right now (Bait and Company Retreat) and tee up the next review: Greenland 2. If you listen, share your take, subscribe for the next one, and leave a review or a comment telling us where you think we’re dead wrong.

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Transcript

Weather Talk And Bunker Life

SPEAKER_03 0:00

How are you? Yeah, beautiful weather.

SPEAKER_02 0:02

Dog sleeping here.

SPEAKER_03 0:05

Do we have nice weather? I my shades are closed. I don't open shade. I don't like sunlight.

SPEAKER_02 0:10

Well, some of us have gone out into the weather multiple times today. You went outside today?

SPEAKER_03 0:14

That's crazy. Multiple times. It's a Saturday. There's no reason to ever leave the house on a Saturday, Dan.

SPEAKER_01 0:21

I never leave the bunker down.

SPEAKER_03 0:25

I got a big house, you know. That's the whole reason to do it. Do you have a big house? No. But if I did, boy, would it be nice.

SPEAKER_02 0:34

So you have a big no, don't have a big house. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_03 0:37

But if I did, you know, that would be nice. That would be really cool. I'm building a big house in Pokemon Pacopia, so that counts for something.

SPEAKER_02 1:00

Welcome to you, watching my dad and Tony. I am Dan. I am Tony. On this show, we bring you the tightest, newest, longest reviews of movies. We might provide the longest reviews of movies anywhere.

SPEAKER_03 1:17

And how does that not get us more views? I mean, isn't that what people want? More content.

SPEAKER_02 1:23

I I do not think people want two idiots to granularly, you know, pick apart like the trashiest movies that exist. You know, because most people are most people are not going to watch any who is I think it was like Todd or someone. You know, most people that you talk to about the show is like, yeah, I've never most of these movies I've never even heard of, and I've never had any interest or any inclination to watch them.

SPEAKER_03 1:49

If I had heard of it, I avoided it for a very specific reason.

unknown 1:52

Yeah.

Mercy’s Director And Knockoff Spielberg

SPEAKER_03 1:52

I mean But this one's got 80% on Rotten Tomatoes audience score. It does not on audience score. Yeah, sure it does. Sure it does. There's there's no way that is it AI? Who knows? You know what I'm saying? Okay, Tony, why do you tell us what this movie is? I would love to tell you. So this is the brand new uh spiritual sequel to Minority Report, uh, is how I look at it. This is uh Chris Pratt's new um uh what will be the word for this movie? Do you think it's doing do you think we're calling it a movie? Propaganda film. Uh this is called Mercy. Mercy.

SPEAKER_04 2:35

Um Mercy. That was terrible. I'm gonna cut that. I can't do an Elvis of President.

SPEAKER_02 2:41

Um the first thing we need to talk about before all things is the director of the movie. Didn't look it up. Who is it?

SPEAKER_03 2:49

It's the same guy that directed the War of the Worlds movie. Shut up. No, it's not. Because I'm because it's similar, right? It's so this guy doesn't want to leave his house. Is that kind of what I'm getting? He built this in his garage, guaranteed. This little set with Chris Pratt is in his garage, and then the ice cube set was in his home office. He doesn't leave his own home.

SPEAKER_02 3:13

Um we looked him up before, and he did direct some real-ish movies. He did Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter, and he did a couple of other kind of you know, be grade sort of whatever.

SPEAKER_03 3:28

I just felt like he worked too hard on those movies. And so if you do movies with only one central location, it makes it much easier.

SPEAKER_02 3:35

Somebody made the Joker observation that this guy did uh Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter, and then uh War of the Worlds, or maybe this was thinking about the War of the Worlds, and it's like Steven Spielberg did Abraham Lincoln, and he also did War of the Worlds.

SPEAKER_03 3:52

So he's wait, and minority report, right? He might have done. Let's let's double check what that that actually does sound right.

SPEAKER_02 4:00

I think he did minority report. Yeah, so this guy, he he is mapping his career right on top of uh Steven Spielberg, which is just he did direct that. Yeah, so you're you're right. I didn't I I saw this somewhere else. This wasn't my observation, but uh interesting.

SPEAKER_03 4:20

But it's funny, so you know how people are always like, oh, it's the Temu version of this, but he's trying to be that. Like his goal in life is to be the knockoff Spielberg, and you know what? I respect it. I actually respect it a hell of a lot right now. Good for you, sir. Uh yeah, hope it works out.

SPEAKER_02 4:38

Mercy 2026, I think it came out this year. I think it did too. Hour and 36. First banger of the year. 38, 39 minutes. Uh, worse than War of the Worlds.

SPEAKER_03 4:50

Interesting. Oh, I will say I don't think the acting was as bad as War of the Worlds. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 4:59

You're right. But War of the Worlds, at least there's like, you think about it, and there were some funny things that, you know, he's like he's like creeping on his own daughter, and like the the daughter's boyfriend was was actually interesting in in that one. And Mercy, the the boyfriend is just like a crack dealer that you see once what's interesting.

SPEAKER_03 5:19

I here's what I will say.

SPEAKER_02 5:21

I really thought it was gonna go back to that boyfriend. I really thought we were gonna get back to that boyfriend.

SPEAKER_03 5:25

There was a lot of nonsense in this movie that could like that things don't matter, things don't tie together, things are just there for fun. This is what I will say is that everyone in this movie is a piece of shit. Like, all of there are no likable characters in this movie. Whereas in War of the Worlds, I think everyone's supposed to be likable. Whether or not I liked them because they were acting well is a different story, but all the characters were at least good people doing on the good side of things, right? This movie, Chris Pratt, abusive drunk, fry him in the chair. Don't care, don't want to save him. He should be dead either way. The daughter, uh the wife, wife horrible. When you find out about the wife, you're like, oh well. No one in this movie am I rooting for except for the AI, and then the AI turns out to just be a weird thing that just sucks, and then she maybe can kill herself. I'm really not sure. Um, this movie's dumb.

SPEAKER_02 6:35

Well, and this movie casts the last half an hour of this movie, is a it's not a cascade of coincidences, it's a cascade of things being interlinked in a way that just you just like don't give a shit about. You just it's it's you you're you're incredulous that that that any of these could have decided.

SPEAKER_03 6:57

But and also this is what they decide. Someone wrote this. This isn't just like life is like, wow, this is stupid.

SPEAKER_02 7:03

Somebody wrote this and was like, I'm being clever, I'm being very clever right now, they thought they thought that the tw the twists and interconnectedness of the characters at the end was them being clever when you were just like just dumb, it's just so absurd. You're like, so wait a second, he met him in an A8 meeting, and then he also works where his wife works.

SPEAKER_03 7:30

You're like, wait a second, but that wasn't part of the plan, which is weird, right? You have to if if you're gonna make that yes, exactly. If you're gonna make that part of his plan, okay, I guess he's an evil mastermind. That's fine. But all of these things, he was just like, oh shit, oh shit, I've got a plan now. It's dumb, it's really dumb. I hate this movie. Um it's I am definitely infinitely more mad at this movie than I was at War of the Worlds.

SPEAKER_02 8:02

War of the Worlds, a terrible movie, but a fun ride. You like if you look back on it, yeah. If if people said, Oh, I we watch War of the Worlds and we do a drinking game or we do something or whatever, you'd be like, Love it. Got it. It's hilarious. Ice Cube is doing his his weird ice cube thing, and and you know, what are you doing? I'm watching you, I'm looking at you right now, I'm gonna get you, you know. What you know, he tries to tries to leave the room, but the doors are locked, you can't get out of here.

SPEAKER_03 8:32

You just can't leave the room. It's tough. It's a tough life, you know.

SPEAKER_02 8:37

But it's they both follow the same thing where it's the these people that are sort of trapped in the environment, and then right at the end, we sort of get them out of the environment for like a cup for like a scene.

SPEAKER_03 8:47

That is worthless. But I think in both I don't remember War of the Worlds as much as I wish I did, I guess. But this movie just doesn't need to get out of the chair.

SPEAKER_02 8:57

Doesn't he go down because they're kind and in the in both movies, the bad guy comes to where the the office where the person is.

SPEAKER_03 9:04

Correct. Very soon, yeah. Well, you don't want to you don't want to have your hero do too much work, you know what I mean? It's tough. You just want to kind of sit back and let things happen to you.

SPEAKER_02 9:12

But he could get in one of those drone bikes and just fly anywhere in the country. Oh god, the hella bikes.

SPEAKER_03 9:18

Whoa, god. That's dumb. Those are some of the worst designs I've ever seen in my life. Though all of those people are dead, by the way. Riding those motorcycles that fly without any protection whatsoever. They're all dead. A bird flew into their head and it exploded. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 9:41

Oh, yeah. So basically the movie is we have Rebecca Ferguson, who I'm assuming shot her entire role in a day. For sure. And didn't have to do anything else. It maybe never even saw Chris Brad or anyone else that was in the movie.

SPEAKER_03 9:56

No, she you are the director, and I'm her, and this is how she shot her movie. And that's great. Good for you, by the way. I would also sign up for that movie. Give me that payday. Uh so good for her. Yeah, she probably got 250k for which what do you think she got for for that? I would say that is not enough. I think she probably got way more than that, just to be clear. Uh, but I would do it for 20, 25, you know what I mean? Dollars, by the way, not thousands, just dollars. Just buy me lunch and I'll do that. 2,500 doll hairs. Doll hairs.

SPEAKER_02 10:34

Come on. Um, somebody that's not my joke. Somebody else's joke.

SPEAKER_03 10:37

Um, I mean, that joke is from like 1984, Dan. Of course, it's not your joke.

The AI Court Concept Breaks Down

SPEAKER_02 10:43

I I mean, it could have been my joke. I could have been joking. That's true. You could have started it. I don't know. I shouldn't judge. It's always a possibility. Um, so the idea is he is accused of murder and he has to sit in front of an AI judge who is sometimes judging, sometimes helping, sometimes not helping. It's very confusing. He doesn't have any kind of lawyer or anything like that either. He just has to he has to figure it all out himself.

SPEAKER_03 11:10

So this is my biggest problem. So the conceit of the movie, let's just break this down. So we were trying to do away with the human justice system, right? In which you get appointed a lawyer if you cannot afford one. You you never defend yourself because we are too stupid to defend ourselves. Then a jury of our peers, you know, vote on us, essentially. So instead, we create a system where the only person in the room is you, who may or may not have done the crime, and you have to somehow prove your own innocence to a robot that doesn't seem to do anything. The robot isn't actually doing any investigating. You have to do all of the investigating yourself. That is true. It doesn't do anything. The AI is basically just there being like, okay, sure. Oh, sure, I could do that for you. Well, there you go. What if you're not a cop, if you are not Chris Pratt in this movie, you're dead. You're a dead person. I would be dead immediately. I have no idea. He's going through call logs, he's going through security cameras. I don't know what I'm doing. This is the most unfair system of all time. And then it just fries you. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:27

You're just dead. That that's the only thing I like about the movie. Not the I won't say the only thing, but the the one actual novel concept of the movie is the idea is she has 90 minutes, you know, that to judge him, but she's actually not judging him. She's just deciding if he gets to a certain threshold that she'll let him out of the chair.

SPEAKER_04 12:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:49

It's the chair that kills him. Right. So the chair is just gonna, the chair is just set to kill, right? Someone else comes in there, clicks a switch, and it's very tough.

SPEAKER_03 12:57

She's also very clear about that.

SPEAKER_02 12:59

And I mean, I love it. I loved it. I I think that's brilliant, right? Because it makes sense. Because the the AI can't kill you, but the AI can also not do a thing that makes you make it so that you can survive.

SPEAKER_03 13:12

To save like I don't have to save you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:15

Yeah, I can't I can't kill you, but I can't save. I'm not gonna save you.

SPEAKER_03 13:20

I like but and so I here's my thing, right? If it's if it is truly AI and it's impartial, just gathering data, yeah, then I'm on board with the general conceit of that. However, they kind of give her feelings at some point, and she starts who knows. She starts having I don't know. She's yeah, she's like, I can't compute because I'm feeling remorseful, and it's what's happening? What is going on right here? It doesn't make any sense to you.

Real AI Hype And Creativity Myths

SPEAKER_02 13:58

Well, the the problem with everything, right? We have we have something stupid like Chat GPT, right? That the stupid people think the stupid people think knows something or is intelligent, right? They think yes, oh, it knows things. Um God, I just I just read this really good quote, and they said that there's like this certain percentage of people that are just smart enough to ascribe too much to the a to AI and you know, ChatGPT kind of things, that they then start believing it. Right? They it it's you know sort of this weird confirmation bias where it's like, well, well, this this thing that it has all the knowledge in the world says it's okay for me to kill again, so it must be okay for me to kill again. You know, you're just like, well, no, that you know, it's like all that is is every novel in the world. So that you mean the this move this movie is an AI now, probably, and you don't want this movie judging you, right?

SPEAKER_03 15:05

Yes, 100%. There was so what and uh hold now I have multiple thoughts. I was at a um we'll call it a seminar. I'm not allowed to like talk about it, I don't think, in real, because I'm about to bash it. But I was at some sort of gathering of people from the industry, and they were talking about AI, and this one person was talking about how she's they are afraid for their job. I'm giving I was I don't know, she's afraid of her job. Uh, she's a writer, and she's like, Oh, you know, AI's coming for our jobs, and she's like, my director can uh choose a voice, uh like a type, a character archetype, and then ask for 10 jokes. And I was like, sure, you can do that, but those 10 jokes are just jokes that someone else has used. It's not coming up with its own joke, it's just taking data from all the other things. It's like this is something that this person would say, and that's fine if you want to do that, but it's not gonna be very funny. Like, like we can all I think we can all agree it's not gonna be very funny, at least not in the way that you want it to be funny. So while I think AI is going to be eventually a very helpful tool, sure, right? But it's not creative, it's not like this is not what it's for. Um, and this movie doesn't seem to have an opinion on AI, as far as I can tell. There's no take as to what the creature is. Yeah, exactly. And if you're writing a movie about AI, you need to have a POV, a point of view, and then you color your movie with that point of view. This movie does not do that, so it means nothing. It means nothing, everything is useless, it's it's not good.

SPEAKER_02 16:58

It's interesting. There's this guy, Doug Tennepel, who did the Earthworm Gym video games.

SPEAKER_04 17:06

God, those are fun.

SPEAKER_02 17:08

Fun, fun games, very popular. There's like, I believe there's like adherence to this game. Well, he's become an AI guy. So he took, I guess he I think he wrote a graphic novel or a comic book, I think called Cardboard, and I think it's a guy who sort of turns into cardboard and they're sort of Bach, you know, cardboard monsters and cardboard kaiju. So he spent two days using Grok to create a uh trailer for the movie for this thing.

SPEAKER_01 17:44

Sure.

SPEAKER_02 17:45

And it's just oh, I'm turning into cardboard, laying in a bed. My face changes, my face changes, my face changes, my face changes. I'm all there's all these different characters, some sort of have bigger beards, smaller beards, bigger, huskier, unhuskier. There's monsters attacking. There's a Japanese girl who falls out a window, and then we get a shot right into her crotch, and she falls, and you know, there's kaiju monsters, and there's one that's spouting horns, and water pours from it. And he presents this as proof of concept or proof of something.

SPEAKER_03 18:28

Some sort of triumph. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:30

And you're just like I I can't I can't visually understand anything that's happening here. I don't see a character, I don't see I don't see it it has abandoned all the hallmarks of a trailer. If you're gonna make a trailer for this thing you want to make, don't spend two days on Grok. Spend spend two months on Grok and make me uh sure and then transitioning into that is the uh the the Iranians who are going, you know, we're at war with right now, are creating these AI Lego scenes making fun of Donald Trump.

SPEAKER_04 19:12

They're looking I didn't know that. They're little Am I on board? Is it funny?

SPEAKER_02 19:17

They're they're little three-minute videos. Uh they cut together perfectly all the characters you understand. You're like, oh, they're making fun of this, they're making fun of that, they're making fun and it's it, you know, and they they're referencing things that are occurring. Yeah, and and you watch them and you're like, well, well, these fuckers know how to use this tool to make a three-minute movie that says everything they want to say with fucking AI, and you, Doug Tennipel, who's a creative person, cannot use this thing to tell a creative story. So that either tells me you're the fucking idiot, or you're just you're not even re w you're not even willing to put the work in with, you know, I think they're stupid tools, but certainly a couple of people have figured out how to use them as effective forms of communication. You are not using this as an effective form of communication, and the cre the person in here, the AI Rebecca Ferguson, is not is not creatively using the idea of an artificial intelligence in any. And we've had we've had artificial intelligence things in movies for a hundred years, fifty years, whatever it is. Long time. Long time we've been having robots, you know. David Earth stood still. Here comes Court, Claude Barato Nick 2, I'm gonna destroy the world. Okay, artificial intelligence. We got what we got it. If you don't say the magic words to him, he's gonna walk into the spaceship, push the button, and destroy the world. Yeah, wow, it's almost like we can understand what's happening. This character, we're just like, what is it's does it want to kill him? Does it not want to kill him? Whose side is the the the judge on?

SPEAKER_03 20:54

Who knows? Yeah, so and here's my my biggest problem, Dan. Biggest problem. At one point, he says, Chris Pratt says to the AI, I'm following a hunch.

SPEAKER_02 21:09

Do you remember this? And the AI says, I don't know what a hunch is. How is that possible?

SPEAKER_03 21:16

She has all of the information from humankind in her artificial intelligence, and you're telling me she doesn't know the definition of a hunch. Or the concept of a hunch not even the definition, the concept of a hunch. I was irate. Unbelievable. The person that wrote this should be fired and never work again. I and listen, I don't I'm I'm obviously joking a little bit, but not as much as I think people might think I'm joking. If you make a movie about AI and you make your AI not know something, you're dead to me.

SPEAKER_02 22:01

I mean, the thing about it is, if this if this was edited by a human being, maybe they edit this with ChatGPT, you never know. Um, but the idea is you say all all the AI is supposed to say at that point is I I I don't believe in hunches, I believe in evidence.

SPEAKER_03 22:18

Right, great. That's yep, easy peasy, right? It's pretty simple. I don't know what hunch is. What are you talking about? Yes, you do. Breaking down to not know what hunch is.

SPEAKER_02 22:29

Oh no, losing my mind, hunch. How can you try to work off hunch?

SPEAKER_03 22:34

It's it's so dumb, it's so bad. It's and yeah, all right. So sorry. That's just I that's good. I lost it. I lost it in the living room.

SPEAKER_02 22:45

I wrote that all down too, because it's it's too classic. It's you know, it's just it's a line that anyone with a brain is just gonna be like, oh, that's bad, bad line.

SPEAKER_03 22:55

Bad line. That doesn't make sense. There's a million other things to say right there. That is the one thing that you cannot say.

SPEAKER_02 23:02

The other thing we'll bring up is he's so he's sort of strapped in a chair, but he's got a little keypad there on his right. And and and we sort of set up that he has to use the keypad, but he never asked if you really use the keypad. And it's it's just it's a prop that they've made, and they were like, Well, he should have the keypad in case he has to summon up the news.

SPEAKER_03 23:23

Somebody built the chair. And then they were like, Well, I'm not gonna unbuild the chair, guy, so you're gonna use it.

SPEAKER_02 23:28

They built the chair with the functionality, and so they sort of had to fake some functionality in there in the first couple of times he's sitting there, and then never again he's just like, pull this up, pull that up, whatever. I'm so tired of typing with my right hand, AI.

SPEAKER_04 23:42

I need you to do everything. Which of course so silly.

SPEAKER_02 23:45

Yes. So um, yes, and of course, this is this is another magical time compression movie where you can access any phone records and access any records and and get everything off of a phone and and it without any time passing.

SPEAKER_03 24:01

Just like it's actually shockingly easy to hide from this system because the daughter has a secret Instagram. Like, what are you talking about? Everyone, it should be, I don't know. The whole thing and then the wife's got a black market sim phone. Is that a real thing? I mean, I assume it is. I have no idea. I'm not a spy. Wink wink.

SPEAKER_02 24:24

Well, like, and they set it up that they they they set up to buy these magic secret phones where it's just like she could just buy a burner. Can't you just go to the liquor store and buy a burner either?

SPEAKER_03 24:33

You can just go buy like a non sim. Yeah, you can absolutely do that. I don't think we call them burners. We just, you know, call them phones. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 24:41

But I mean you can buy that at like the liquor store, right?

SPEAKER_03 24:44

Right, because it's as long as it's not attached to your account or whatever, then it, you know, it's it counts as a burner, I think. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 24:52

I mean, the idea is you're you're spending 50 because if you go to the liquor store and buy one of those phones, it's like 50 bucks. It's not like uh 300 bucks.

SPEAKER_03 25:00

Yeah, I'm not buying like a real phone. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:02

Yeah, and I mean, so you can buy it for 50 bucks and then just throw it away when you're done with it.

SPEAKER_03 25:06

Yeah, after I did my spy mission. Break it, throw it down.

SPEAKER_02 25:11

Um, okay, we're gonna talk about the movie.

SPEAKER_03 25:14

Sorry, yeah, I got us sidetracked, I think.

SPEAKER_02 25:16

Okay, so we start off, we see Chris Bratt sitting in the chair, or locked in the chair, waking up. He's like, oh, oh, wait, we have the we're gonna luckily we get to one of the other greatest lines ever in the movie right at the beginning, too.

SPEAKER_04 25:29

Oh, great.

SPEAKER_02 25:30

Now we do the voiceover where we set up the world the world of the future. Crime affects millions, civil unrest, overcrowded, prisons, dead cops. So they set up the mercy court where it's this AI court, which acts as judge, jury, and executioner. The LAPD puts a bunch of evidence into it, and we've they've gone through 18% they've killed 18 people. Now, did they say that crime dropped by 68% when they did this? Yes.

SPEAKER_03 26:04

Thank you. It is an insane statistic. They've they have killed 18, 17, because is this 18 or is this 19?

SPEAKER_02 26:13

Oh, I think he's 19.

SPEAKER_03 26:15

I okay. Let's we'll go with that. It doesn't really matter because 17 and 18 doesn't matter. It says they've killed 18 people, so he's 19. All right, so they have killed 18 people, and that immediately everyone's like, oh shit. I guess we better stop doing bad things. But I think this is just in LA, I guess. For sure, it seems like LA is the only one that has it. Okay. Because they're like everyone seems uh like we're LA. LA is the only place. So 68 is a huge, that's a huge decrease. Honestly, keep the program going because then you're doing a great job. I mean, you're doing a really good job.

SPEAKER_02 26:54

If there's a couple of mistakes, okay. To try, you know, if it's if the world's getting that bad, we're gonna have some mistakes. There's what I wrote down.

SPEAKER_03 27:05

And that's okay. Like, I know yes, it's bad. I understand people will come at us. Oh, the system's broken. Sure, okay, but give me a better one. Okay, anyhow. But if you're dropping 68% in the first couple of months after you've killed 17 people, two years, two years, two years. Okay, we've been going two years. You've only done 17 people. 16 people to decrease 68% by the time you hit 50 people, you done there's still crime. You did it, and you fixed it, and we also set up that they're mostly killing mentally ill people, which is terrible.

SPEAKER_02 27:42

Don't get me wrong, it is terrible, but in the society we live in, these are considered by the c not by us, you know. I not by us. We we shouldn't be joking about this, but the truth of the matter is in the horrible world we live in, you'd be getting away with that shit.

SPEAKER_03 28:00

What's interesting is that the only stance that this movie seems to take, in my opinion, yeah, is that they are bad people. They call they're like scumbags. Horrible. It's insane. That's the only stance this movie really takes to the point where like she is willing to throw away her career just to kill one of them. This is weird.

SPEAKER_02 28:23

This this movie is actually very anti-police. If you really if you boil it down, because what what is it though? No, hold on. I will I will make my pitch why this is is actually anti-police. But the point being is the supposed 68%, but we have these red zones that are tent cities that have taken over Hollywood Boulevard, amongst other places, where if you even drive there, they will steal your vehicle and kill you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:55

And and also, this is where the first murder that they put into the mercy court occurs in one of these areas, which would have been a place that would have been impossible to investigate. Um, you know, just like a ton of things. It well, it doesn't seem like they did investigate, just based on the end of the movie. They didn't really do an investigation.

SPEAKER_03 29:16

Yeah. No.

SPEAKER_02 29:17

So basically, what we set up is the very first. So our boy Chris, who's in the chair. Wait, do they tell us this now? Um, yeah, he's case number 19. Okay, so then we so then we we see that he's in this giant room. First of all, why is he in a giant room? Why wouldn't he just be the small room? So they could do projections of plus.

SPEAKER_03 29:37

Yeah, they want this the 3D. Because so this movie was shot in 3D. Did you know this? I did not know this. Apparently, and maybe I should look it up before I talk anymore, but someone was like, see this in 3D. So I'm pretty sure it was shot in 3D. Mercy in 3D.

SPEAKER_02 29:54

A movie that you spend most of the time in one small room, one big room.

SPEAKER_03 29:58

Yeah. 3D and IMAX 3D. So you could watch this big and in 3D.

SPEAKER_01 30:04

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 30:05

Um so I think, and I look, I don't really know because I didn't see it in 3D, but I feel like some of the computer screens that pop out would be like and it could be fun. It could be fun to watch. It's not gonna add anything to the movie. If anything, it just detracts from me paying attention to the movie, which I guess might be a good for them. So maybe that's why they did it. Um, anyhow, keep going. I was just you could watch it in 3D if you want. Separate question.

SPEAKER_02 30:31

Yeah, did your old roommate buy a 3D TV?

SPEAKER_03 30:35

Oh, yeah, yeah. His name's Ben Trandum. I'm calling him out right now. Uh Ben, Ben bought 3D TV back. And this was like, this was when they first came out. It was expensive. And we I can't do it. I get like very sick because the technology wasn't there. I don't know if it's better now, I doubt it, but it would make me feel all googly. But him and my other buddy Lance, they used to love that shit. They would get baked and they would just watch it in 3D, and it was great. They thought it was very cool.

SPEAKER_02 31:03

So they loved it. So he he spent the money and loved the technology.

SPEAKER_03 31:07

100%. But I it doesn't, they never did it as a way that's like you have to watch this movie in 3D. It makes the movie. They just do it because it's like what a fun little stupid experience that we're having right now.

SPEAKER_02 31:20

I understand why they were using it. I understand how recreationally they were using the 3D 3D telephones. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 31:26

All right, good, good, good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:28

Um, okay, so we set up, here we go. Judge Maddox is the judge. She kind of has this weird black robe, but it also had like these epaulets and like an executioner. Oh, yeah, maybe.

SPEAKER_03 31:43

He is detective, he is Detective Chris Raven. It's a cool name. You know what I mean? Like it's a very comic book name.

SPEAKER_02 31:51

He was drunk, and he's just become undrunk, so they've been testing his blood to see the point at which he's undrunk, and then you can then you can try him. And he's like, This can't be real. Big mistake. And she's like, You murdered your wife, she was stabbed. And then we got who did this to you, Chris? Um, and then we set up that he was the arresting officer on the first person that was sent to the mercy court two years ago, who was David Webb, who uh was found guilty and was killed. This guy absolutely mentally ill. Absolutely mentally ill.

SPEAKER_04 32:36

For sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:38

So it was it at this point that you figured out the movie? No, I never I never figured it out. I never I told you I'm so dense. I'm incredibly dense. We had an inkling immediately. Because it wasn't it wasn't this time, but in a in a few more, there's a few more instances where he's like, Do you know David Webb? I'm the one that got him. It's like, okay, well, it has something to do with David Webb, because why are we why are we talking about this so much this early in the movie? Like, it doesn't matter. Yeah. Is that the only case that you were on? I don't believe that. Sure. I believe that you've done several cases since. So this is it's very, very pointed at this David Webb guy. Now I'm not saying I understand I knew where this was going. I was just like, it has something to do with this first case. Got it.

SPEAKER_02 33:20

So yeah, so he was part of that. And now we set up that it's the trial is 90 minutes. He's a if he can get his probability of being guilty down to 92%, which is still high. Which is an insanely high number. Right? Insanely high.

SPEAKER_03 33:38

I thought you were gonna say like 30% or 49%. Yeah, yeah. 55%. You know, something something that might measure up to a shadow of a doubt. You know what I'm saying? Like 90% if I'm 90% sure that you did something, I'm not letting you go. You are definitely guilty. If I'm 90% sure, you're definitely guilty of something.

SPEAKER_02 34:00

Well, wait more importantly, if he gets it down to 92%, he just lets him go.

SPEAKER_03 34:07

That's what it seems like. There's no follow-up trial.

SPEAKER_02 34:10

That doesn't seem very that's like, wait a second. So you mean if they if they can like have one sort of plausible thing, then boom, you're out of the chair and you're like, heh.

SPEAKER_03 34:20

Exactly. I'm gonna go kill again because I can fool this chair very easily.

SPEAKER_02 34:25

I mean, it should be actually there is one other novel, there is one other novel part of the film is at the point at which he proves himself that he didn't do it, then they're gonna let him out of the chair. And then if they let him out of the chair, then it becomes uh they lose all the powers that she has, which I thought was that you know, so there's there's a couple little novel science fiction concepts that are baked in here that are really brilliant.

SPEAKER_03 34:56

But then he gets out of the chair and she doesn't lose her power, Stan.

SPEAKER_02 35:00

So you see, she'd evolved at that point.

SPEAKER_03 35:03

Oh, okay. I see. That was that's the conceit is well, I I better power up then because I can't let this happen. Got it. It's true. He gets out of the chair and she she projects all around the city and she's anywhere she wants to be, she's doing whatever, so she has her powers.

SPEAKER_02 35:19

She's turning stuff off, she's doing all the things you do not know.

SPEAKER_03 35:23

So, what they said is the way that they work around it, I know, is that they're like, she basically says, Well, I can make it a case about the other guy, and then I can still keep my powers as long as a case is open.

SPEAKER_02 35:35

But he's not in the chair, but that's not how it works.

SPEAKER_03 35:39

Exactly. So, like they they do a line that they think solves this problem, but it it just with the whole setup of the film, it's not, it doesn't work.

SPEAKER_02 35:48

It it's interesting. All the stupid AI companies say, We didn't look at all the books and and put them all, you know, we didn't input all the books in there. And so the one of the Stanford or someplace just did a did a whole thing where they sat there, were like, well, let's ask Chat GPT a bunch of questions and we'll see if they can replicate these books to perfection. And lo and behold, with a bunch of, you know, they basically talked around the things that they put in place so that you can't figure out that they did read all the books and proved, you know, and proved you know, that they did read all the books and they still have all the books stored. And the guys who and it's what's really interesting is they found that the books that they have stored are all the ones that were on the two big sites that pirate books. Oh, interesting. So in other words, sites pirate stole everything. They stole everything off the pipe the the ones where all the books are pirated, because of course that's where you're gonna steal it. And of course, yeah, all these companies have sat in courtrooms and said, Well, no, of course we would never do that. When of course these guys just proved that of course they did all the things that we all suspected that you did. So it just the whole thing, it's you know, when you add humans and you add all the lying that occurs, and then all the ugh you you can't, you know, you can't control these things. You can you can say that they're controlled, but it when people are put in when you put people in a maze, they're gonna figure out how to get out of that maze by like climbing over the walls and cheating.

SPEAKER_04 37:25

Yeah. Humans are the best, huh?

SPEAKER_02 37:28

They're humans. Okay. So we s she sets up that he drove to work, then he drove back to his house, where I think he was kicked out of was he kicked out of the house?

SPEAKER_03 37:40

He never got into the house on his way into the house.

SPEAKER_02 37:44

No, no, no. Was he not looking at the house? Yes.

SPEAKER_03 37:47

Correct, yes, because she she uses the phrase my house. So she threw him out of the house. So he comes back at the house. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:54

This this actually, there's one super funny thing that we're gonna enjoy later. Um he uses keys to go in.

unknown 38:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:04

But then the daughter comes home, finds her dead. So it's basically that is the proof that he killed her. Yeah. Uh one stab, blood on the cl- there's blood on his clothes, and then you went to a bar to get drunk, and then he says, I don't go to bars. It's not possible.

SPEAKER_03 38:28

Do you want to talk about the end of the movie now? Was it the end of the movie? He obviously did do that.

SPEAKER_02 38:37

He's a lying piece of shit. He should have said, I don't remember, but he I mean, I think that what they're trying to say is he doesn't typically go to bars, but he did go to this. You know, I was expecting them to I was expecting him to have not have gone to the bar, but not not nothing. There's there's nothing fabricated, it's just a very complex plot.

SPEAKER_03 39:00

It's a it's an unnecessarily complex plot in which this guy is a terrible piece of shit either way, and should fry in the chair. Yeah, because he went to the bar. He knows he went to the bar. And he's fought a bunch of cops, beat the shit out of all the cops who tried to arrest him. He's a bad guy. He's guilty of something, I'll tell you that.

SPEAKER_02 39:27

And I mean, that was the other funny thing. During like some of the bar footage, they know his name at the bar.

An Unlikable Hero Problem

SPEAKER_03 39:34

Correct. Yeah, because he's there all the time. He's a frequent patron, as they say. Um, so here's here's my thing, right? I I guess I can understand in like if you're dumb, right? And you're writing this movie, you have you are thinking to yourself, I have to make it seem plausible that he killed his wife. And to do that, I'm going to make him an abusive drunk. Here's the problem: he's the hero of your movie. Um, so I need to root for him to be innocent, as opposed to what this movie does, where I'm like, God, I hope he did it. I hope he did it. I want him to die at the end of this movie. That's the that's a bad movie. You wrote a bad movie. Okay. If I'm rooting for your hero to fry, you've written a bad movie.

SPEAKER_02 40:30

I've got to ask you a question now, Tony. Okay. You've been very critical of Chris Bradt's acting. I am.

SPEAKER_04 40:37

I'm sorry, Chris.

SPEAKER_02 40:39

But when Chris Pratt is playing an abusive, drunken husband, how good is his acting?

SPEAKER_03 40:48

It's unfortunately, it's probably some of the best stuff that he does, which I'm not accusing him of anything. All I'm saying is when he's like at the door and he's yelling at her, I believe it. I believe it. When he's in the chair all upset about not killing his wife, I think he's lying. So I don't know what that says, but I'm getting all the wrong vibes.

SPEAKER_02 41:16

That's all I'll say. There's one role he knows how to play. Innocent is not it. Guilty whites was it.

SPEAKER_03 41:25

Very good at abusive white. It's very convincing. Um, I did like him in Everwood. I just want to throw that out. There was a it's one of his first roles. I don't know if it is his first role, it was a CW show. He was very young. Um, he was great in that. He was very charming and very kind in that. So maybe a lot of things have happened in his life where that's gone away.

SPEAKER_02 41:48

Okay, I gotta tell you another story. So on the on the phone, you know, boom, they always have like these, you know, be like Netflix, 26 great great science fiction movies to watch. Of course. Boom, there's electric state. Right? There's a picture of electric state. You you you go you go down to the comments. I love this movie. This movie was great. I really love there were like seven or eight people in a row that were all like, this movie's great. Oh, so much fun. Well, that's good for them.

SPEAKER_03 42:21

Do you think those are real people?

SPEAKER_02 42:23

I I I I want to hope that they're bots.

SPEAKER_03 42:27

Sure. Listen, I mean, I we've seen worse movies than Electric State, I I would say. You know, I think this movie's worse than Electric State. Um, at least it had I think it had good music, did it not? I don't know. I'm trying to think of a nice thing to say.

SPEAKER_02 42:44

I mean, it had Mr. Peanut in it, I guess. You could say that. It had Mr.

SPEAKER_03 42:48

Peanut in a shopping mall. People love shopping malls, so you know, I don't know.

unknown 42:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 42:55

Um, the cops fighting with him was like the it was like it was like a brawl. It wasn't like the pol that was the other thing is no, it's just a bar brawl. Yeah, it's they they I have watched a lot of police arrest a lot of people in a lot of movies in real life. Yeah, you watch the shows. I've watched it all. Yeah. Police do a lot of things that are very smart so that they don't get hurt.

SPEAKER_03 43:23

Well, they're trained, you know. Like that's basically their training is to uh effectively take someone down without putting themselves in in object.

SPEAKER_02 43:32

It just felt like they were like, oh, just swinging away. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna punch you to down, and that's not at all what they ever do. They are not if they're swinging, that means they're bad cops, typically.

SPEAKER_03 43:43

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 43:44

They immobilize people, they're grabbing the arm, they're getting on top of them, they're putting them on the ground. You know what you do with a person? You put them on the ground because that slows down everything they're doing.

SPEAKER_03 43:56

That's true.

SPEAKER_02 43:57

That's true, and just like if you're gonna have people play. Cops and do cop stuff. Don't try and make it, don't fight hire a fight coordinator. Hire someone that hire a police officer that'll say this is what we would do in this. Or they have training officers.

SPEAKER_03 44:10

Just ask one of them. Be like, hey, Mr. Training Officer, what would you do in this situation so I can make a good movie?

SPEAKER_02 44:17

He wants to talk to his daughter, but he's not allowed to talk to his daughter. And then he has to say but he is because she's a minor, but even though she's a witness to the case, and you're just like, Yeah, uh, it's like we spend time on these weird semantic arguments. Then he like has to write her a note that she's gonna read, and we do three drafts of the note. You're just like, why are we doing three drafts of this stupid fucking note that means nothing? That's telling us not. I mean, if there were like some kernels of information in there that were part of the plot, but there's nothing, it's just like uh hey bro, sorry, kill mom, but delete, delete, delete, delete. Oh shoot. What do I do? How do I start how do I start talking about me not kill sorry, sorry, sweetie, didn't kill your mom, even though you like the girl, oh the girl. Oh my god. Okay, calm down.

SPEAKER_03 45:13

There's two this movie's this movie is bad. Like just there's so many things to talk about. It's hard.

SPEAKER_02 45:21

So now he calls, he's allowed to call his sponsor, so his his alcoholism sponsor, who works with his wife at a chemical company, sells chemicals, yeah. And then he's known him for two years, and he's gonna turn out to be the bad guy, spoilers.

SPEAKER_04 45:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:40

So he you know this guy immediately is acting shifty, you know, he's always he is, and I like him a lot as an actor.

SPEAKER_04 45:49

Tony So I'm not blaming him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:51

When you and I do this thing, do we either look at each other through the screen or look at ourselves at the screen the entire time?

SPEAKER_03 45:59

I like to look over here. Sometimes. Um this is this is a nice because it's nice for my complexion. Uh, so I'll give you some of those every once in a while. So, yeah, I mean you're talking to somebody.

SPEAKER_02 46:10

Every problem, every one of these movies, the people walk around and they're all like, How are you doing? Text um, I don't know where you are.

SPEAKER_03 46:18

And here's the problem, and I don't know why this is a problem, but they don't put something on the phone because they're not talking into a phone, right? They're talking the camera's here. Okay. And so they don't, I don't I think in their heads, they've been trained their entire lives to not look at the camera. Oh because you don't. As an actor, you can't look right down the barrel. That's a cardinal sin. That's that's bad. You're breaking the fourth wall. You get yelled at for that shit. You get yelled at. So I'm I've part of me, it's like, I wonder if it's just an instinctual thing for these people to be like, I can't look at the camera. Can't look at the camera. I'm gonna have this conversation anywhere else. Anywhere. I don't know what it is. It makes everybody seem shifty instantly.

SPEAKER_02 47:00

You're just like, I don't trust that person.

SPEAKER_04 47:02

100%. Yeah, it's weird.

SPEAKER_02 47:04

Because they're not they're not stopping and taking a call, right? Even when you're exactly even when you're talking on the phone, you know, I see people on the street that are talking on the phone, you know, they're out in the back. They're yeah, they walk very specifically, you know, they're like 100%. They're frozen, their faces are phone here, looking straight ahead. They're not moving their heads around, look, you know, checking out people. They're they're in the call. And these things, they never people never feel like they're in the call. Because they're not.

SPEAKER_03 47:35

That's the thing about acting, right? Like you take a phone call, you're not actually talking to someone on the other line of the phone, you're talking to someone that's giving you lines off camera, right? So it I think part of it is it's just I, you know, it's maybe it's just hard to be natural, especially on like a video call where there's nothing. I'm not looking at anything. I don't know. Yeah, it's it's hire me and I'll figure it out. How about that?

SPEAKER_02 47:58

You need a good you need someone actually directing the film to be like, oh yeah, okay, this this feels weird.

SPEAKER_03 48:05

I need more eye contact. More eye contact. Look at the camera, buddy. Look at me, look at me. Yeah. Okay. When you do interviews, you can get things, I don't remember what it's called, like an eye cam or something, where you can, you know, kind of like a teleprompter, you can put something on the camera that would be a face or something. So I'm talking to someone. Like when you do an interview, there's a little contraption you can put on where you're technically sitting to one side or the other of the camera, but you're looking into a box that has a mirror that shoots it so you're looking directly at the person and they're looking directly back at you, but they're looking right at the camera.

SPEAKER_02 48:37

Errol Morris. The uh the documentary documentarian Errol Morris, I think, invented that for like his makes perfect sense for his 1980s things because he wanted people to be dead on talking. Look right down the center. Wanted them dead on so that it was I don't know if confessional is the right word, but to give you that sort of confessional feel where it's like sure, yeah. This is I am talking directly to you, the audience. So we can do it. It can be done, but they don't think you know, a movie like this doesn't think about those kind of things where it's gonna always make you think, what's what's going on with this person?

SPEAKER_03 49:14

Yeah. Okay, Cinemas. Even the even the cop, and we'll I mean, we'll talk about her in a second, but when she's looking around the crime scene, she's not looking at anything, Dan. She's doing this movie like, Chris, it looks crazy over here. This is a crazy, it's a crime of passion. Look at all this stuff around here. It's insane.

SPEAKER_02 49:33

People move from they're like, oh, look at this, oh look at this, okay. We got this going on.

SPEAKER_03 49:38

You don't just you don't just unfocus your eyes and look everywhere. That's just not the way the world works.

SPEAKER_02 49:46

Um, we get some we get some footage of his wedding, we get the the daughter being born, we set up Uncle Ray and Jimmy, and then Ray got killed, and so then that became then he started his drinking. And she the the AI says you have we have fifty-seven videos of your temper.

SPEAKER_03 50:11

That's a lot.

SPEAKER_02 50:13

That is that's a lot so many.

SPEAKER_03 50:17

It's not good.

SPEAKER_02 50:18

And those are videos of it. Those are those aren't the hundreds and hundreds of non-video times.

SPEAKER_03 50:25

Yeah, it's it's um it's really bad. He's a bad guy. So uh yeah. There's not much else I can say. You're just not rooting for him, and that's a problem in a movie.

Daughter Secrets And Burner Phone Logic

SPEAKER_02 50:38

We start investigating the daughter, and the daughter has a secret account. Uh Tony, why don't you talk about what the daughter has going on on the secret account?

SPEAKER_03 50:47

Well, I I was only half joking when I said she's a W word. Um she's 16 and she's posting provocative materials, but also sort of anti-AI materials, it seems. Like she's there. In the end, it doesn't come up. Nope. Nobody cares. Um, and then she's clearly dating an older guy, so she's she's troubled.

SPEAKER_02 51:25

Tony, you you you crack into your daughter's secret account.

SPEAKER_03 51:29

As I would, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:30

In one of the photos, she's holding money that she has fanned out.

SPEAKER_03 51:35

Yeah. Which you get it. I think she's horin. It's it's all weird.

SPEAKER_02 51:44

It's all weird. It's just so extreme. Like, yeah, like just have her have a boyfriend, just have this, but don't don't do like don't do it like she's a gangster.

SPEAKER_03 51:54

It's like she's got some secret life where yeah, uh drugs and sex and money. I I don't know. It doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_02 52:02

None of it matters. I always remember I was on a trial for uh bank robbery, right? And so at a certain point they introduced the uh the Facebook photos of of the people that were up there, and in one of them, it was a hotel sink, and there was all the money in the sink. What I'm assuming maybe they washed the money or something, I don't know. But I'll I always have this memory burned into my main, you know, my brain. It's like you know, they were showing off the money, you know, it's like I need to show off to my friends that I got a bunch of money and I put it in the sink.

SPEAKER_03 52:41

That's a bad call. Yeah, it's a bad decision.

SPEAKER_02 52:44

Not a good idea.

SPEAKER_03 52:45

No, because you know, social media, it's social, it's out there. It's you're you're beaten.

SPEAKER_02 52:50

The other thing they did is they had a cooler um in the car with water in it, and they threw the money into the cooler when they when they got back to their car. And I think that they think that that stops tracking or something.

SPEAKER_03 53:05

There's some there's like the die on it or something, man.

SPEAKER_02 53:08

I don't know if it was the die, but there was like some specific I don't know. One of the police officers explained it. They were like, well, it wasn't and it was like, you know, it was a spurious thing. It's like all the people on Facebook that put the put the notices, Facebook is not allowed to steal my images and you know, then there's always the one person that's like, we've been doing this for ten years. Right. Notification doesn't mean anything. It's not gonna help you. They they're stealing your photos. You're waiting for Facebook steal your photos, get off of Facebook. Don't do Facebook, yeah. That's it. That's the only answer. But you you have these spurious things that people believe and they're like, oh well, it makes sense to me if I put this thing in there.

SPEAKER_04 53:45

But I can't get off the side. Right, real silly.

SPEAKER_02 53:49

Daughter Secret account. Uh he calls the daughter, she's crying. Um, we set up this whole thing where the wife's parents are there and the parents hate him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:04

I Dan, this movie's so weird. He gets so offended that the parents don't like him in the chair. He gets like mad. He's like, I was never good enough for Jeff. I was like, what are we doing right now? This is so weird. Why is he so mad about this?

SPEAKER_02 54:26

Jeff just like, you're like, come on, Jeff. Jeff, come on, you know. I mean, I I mean, but I guess if you hate the guy, you're not gonna help, you're gonna be as unhelpful as possible because you want to be sure.

SPEAKER_03 54:38

Well, that's true. Right, just pry him. Because I, again, I'm pro killing him. The whole movie. They never once get me to a point where I'm like, maybe he shouldn't be killed. I think he needs to die.

SPEAKER_02 54:49

Take the daughter's phone, hammer, boom, boom, boom, no more calls, you know, because she's not gonna be able to get another phone in 90 minutes. So yeah, so it's fine.

SPEAKER_03 54:57

See, he's dead. Don't worry about it, babe. He's he's gone. Move on.

SPEAKER_02 55:02

Okay, so now he's gonna call his his partner. She's somehow, somehow, they're still processing the scene.

SPEAKER_03 55:13

How long does it take to get undrunk? I this is a real question. I've never been drunk before. How long does it take for someone to get not under the influence of alcohol anymore?

SPEAKER_02 55:22

Probably six to eight hours. I would, I'm not far from an expert. I do not do not put an expert on me. So I would guess, let's just say, let's say it's eight hours.

SPEAKER_03 55:33

Okay, it's not it's not a good night's sleep.

SPEAKER_02 55:36

It's not two hours and it's not 24 hours. So we're just gonna we're gonna settle on eight hours. So he well, this see, this doesn't make any sense. He went to work, came back, killed the wife, right?

SPEAKER_04 55:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:50

So let's say she was killed at 10 o'clock.

SPEAKER_03 55:55

I think that's close, yeah. But the bad guy they said 10 30 or something like that. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:00

The bad guy has to wait for that other dude to come back. Is this all supposed to be happening on the same day?

SPEAKER_03 56:07

For sure, yeah. Almost has to be, right?

SPEAKER_02 56:10

Well, if he kills her at 10 o'clock, goes to the bar, they arrest him at 11 o'clock.

SPEAKER_03 56:17

Already super drunk, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 56:18

Already super drunk. So he's super drunk at noon.

SPEAKER_04 56:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:23

I mean, he's not becoming unsuper drunk in three hours, right? It's not even five hours. It's still daytime. It's still daytime. So is it the next day? I don't know. Are we on the next day? No day. Well, wait, no, no, no, no. We we're on the next day because what's his name? Well, what's his name didn't come to work the day before?

SPEAKER_03 56:42

That's right. So it's the next day. So it is the next day. It is the next day. Yeah. Why is that important to me?

SPEAKER_02 56:51

Because when was the body found? Okay, oh, that's my point. My point is Yeah. If it's the next day that he's being tried, why is why is the the body still laying in the house?

SPEAKER_03 57:05

Yeah. It doesn't seem like they've done anything.

SPEAKER_02 57:07

The the body's not still laying in the house. The but that should be a it's the the house should be a crime scene, right?

SPEAKER_03 57:14

Yeah. It should have she should have to go through crime tape, she has to go in. Yeah, as they do in like psych, the TV show, great show. They always have to go through illegally go enter crime scenes, because that's how you look for clues. Because that's how the best way to treat a crime scene is to go into it illegally. Illegally and touch everything.

SPEAKER_02 57:33

That's the only way to get evidence, I'm pretty sure. Because the the smartest thing you could do, you know, they often leave the weapon behind because they don't want to disturb it. Um they're still processing the crime scene. How are you gonna put somebody through the mercy court without an entirely processed crime scene?

SPEAKER_03 57:53

Well, it doesn't seem to be a case, they don't seem to need to do any investigating. That's that's what I've figured out, is there's zero investigation involved. It's just, oh, we caught you. Go right now, defend yourself without any i yeah. It I don't know. I don't understand it. It doesn't make sense. You're the one that was like, oh, it's a great concept.

SPEAKER_02 58:15

What do you mean that's a great concept? When did I say it's a great concept?

SPEAKER_03 58:19

No, I said you're like, oh, I love this AI thing, it's so good.

SPEAKER_02 58:23

No, I said there are a couple of novel concepts in there. The idea that the thing's not gonna kill him, the chair's just gonna kill him. Ah, good workaround. Because that's it, life is about workarounds.

SPEAKER_00 58:34

Sure.

Crime Scene Mistakes And Cop Behavior

SPEAKER_02 58:35

Okay, okay, where were we? Where were we? Okay, so she's there. Okay, here we go. But she's not alone. Hold on.

SPEAKER_04 58:41

Everyone's still there. Everyone's still there. That's the important part.

SPEAKER_02 58:44

And this is what he says. They're looking at the scene, he sees the body. So he's he's like, You're not gonna want to go into this next room because there's the body laying out. He's like, uh, I'm good.

SPEAKER_00 58:56

Give it to me.

SPEAKER_02 58:57

More importantly, let's let's talk about his acting when he sees his wife's dead body on the floor.

SPEAKER_03 59:04

Well, he doesn't care because he murdered her. He doesn't care at all. He's more interested in the plate that's blattered in the background. He doesn't care.

SPEAKER_02 59:12

He's like, there's a broken plate, so someone was throwing plates at him. Throwing plates. Okay, and then they then she he's like, Well, what about fibers? And they're all like, we've already matched the fibers of the house. So somehow, in less than 24 hours, we've collected fibers from everywhere and then matched them all up.

SPEAKER_03 59:34

But everyone's still there. So what are they still doing? They've already done all the legwork. What are they still doing there?

SPEAKER_02 59:43

So we set up that they she had her phone, crime of passion. She was texting someone, so now we gotta find the secret phone. The the Oh my god. They go out to the her car, which is ostentately part of the crime.

SPEAKER_03 59:59

What does she do, Tony? To get to her she without any proper precaution, she breaks the window, picks up the phone with her bare frickin' hand, and then just starts touching stuff. Beep boop boop boop boop. Don't worry about it, licking it, probably. She doesn't care.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:16

Now here's here's my other question.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:18

Yeah. Is he a detective? Yes, right? I think he calls himself a detective. Does he ever does he act like a maybe he doesn't call himself a she's wearing it?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:32

She's wearing a uniform, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:34

She's wearing blues. Yeah, so maybe not.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:36

They are not every TV show you watch with detectives, they are wearing, they're wearing their they wear, they dress like detective. A lot of times they dress like detectives, you know, they wear like, you know, raincoats and you know they have a detective feel. They put on, you know, they're not wearing, you know, culottes and you know, t-shirts, you know, Hawaiian shirts. They're they are dressed, yeah. Not not overdressed, but they're you know, they're wearing ties because they a detective needs to bring a detective energy when they're interacting with families and suspects and um people that saw stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:14

Yeah. He feels interesting.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:16

He feels like a uniform cop.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:18

Yeah, I guess so. Because I mean she is, and they're partners.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:21

So that if they'd if they'd have captured this first guy, they weren't they weren't the detectives on it. They were the people, they were the people who busted him.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:33

Yeah, I don't know. Maybe they fired all the detectives. Maybe there are no detectives.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:39

So they find the phone, and then the phone, they find out a connection. Well, here's hold on.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:45

So this is this is weird, right? So he has a call from her phone. Yes. This is how they find it. Is he's like, oh, she called me from that phone one time. One time, right, initially. I have several problems with the phone. Why would she use that? Why would she ever use her secret cheater phone to call her husband? That is the dumbest possible thing you could ever do. Number one. Number two, why didn't he save that number? Why wouldn't he be like, oh, this is wife work? You know what I mean? He's like, I didn't save the number. My wife called me from a phone, I didn't save it because I don't give a shit. That doesn't make any sense. Now you have two forms of phone, like that doesn't make sense. He would save it as the wife phone, you know, like wife work.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:35

If some if somebody, if some unknown number calls you and it's your wife, you're like, what's happening here?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:40

Exactly. That's weird. That's weird, but instead he's like, yeah, she called me one time from her work phone. Uh no big deal. I didn't save it because I don't ever need to use that phone. Why did she use the phone? None of it makes any sense.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:55

Uh so we find out that it goes back to this guy, Patrick Burke. He works at this hotel, he runs away from the police, he's on the roof. We have a whole exciting thing. They capture him. It's really not that exciting, Dan. Just want to point that out there. He calls him a dirt bag, and then what we what we find out is she met that she met this guy, and then she started. They never say that she was fucking him, but she was fucking him.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:23

She was. She was definitely getting it on. And he's like He brought her food to a hotel room. You don't just bring a friend food to a hotel room. She like grabs him by the lapels and pulls him into the room.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:37

I mean, if she had a belly like Tony, if she had a belly like Tony or I, you'd be like, well, maybe it's just like, look at that guy, he's real hungry.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:45

Can't wait for that food.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:48

So basically, we set up that he's not the guy, you know, he's like, she just needed somebody to talk to. No, no, I don't know after the Loveman.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:59

You never want to talk before the Lovin' because you got too much stuff on your mind. You know what I mean? You want to perform and then you talk about it after.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:06

So his number, his percentage had gone down, but as soon as you find out that this guy's not the problem, boom, back up to 98%.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:13

Yeah. Okay. Which I do appreciate. Here's the one thing I liked is that 98 was the highest it could go. It made me laugh, but also I was like, I appreciate that. There is no 100% certainty, but she's like 98, that's the high that's actually the highest. That's all you can do. You're done. You're beat.

Backstory Crash And Revenge Setup

SPEAKER_02 1:04:31

Oh my god. Oh, okay. We're getting we're getting to my favorite part of the movie.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:36

Oh boy. Really?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:37

So then we have like this sort of quiet moment where the two of them bond, Mercy and Chris Raven. It's very weird. And you know, we get to see she found his boo stash, and he gets violent with her, and he's like, Why were you filming me? Uh that was his best line of the movie. Why were you filming me? Because he was an abusive husband. You were like, This is so terrifying.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:58

There's no way around it. He's a bad guy.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:00

He needs to go to prison. Okay. Now now we get to do the red herring. This is the red herring thing that's sort of this might be the person that doing it. His uh ex his partner before that, Ray's death. Oh, he wasn't a detective when Ray was killed. He was just uh he has a uniform. Yeah. No, you're right. No, he's yep. So they're they stop behind a car that's parked sort of on the side of PCH, I guess. Yeah. And then he's talking to his stupid wife as opposed to paying attention to a graphic stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:31

He leaves his partner.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:32

Yep. This is this is terrible. He should become a drunk and hate himself.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:36

Yeah. Well, sure, but he should also be fired. Like this is you don't just let your partner go do a thing by nope, nope, nope, not allowed.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:44

He's not on the phone. For nothing. For nothing. It wasn't like she was given.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:49

We're watching the camera. He's just like talking about dinner or some shit. Like he's in trouble. This is bad. So it is your fault. 100%. Sorry.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:00

I'm sorry. Bang. I guess a gun goes off. I guess he was shot, but we also back him into the car.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:06

Yeah. I guess he was shot, but he didn't seem like it. He was crushed. He lost he lost the lower half of his body.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:14

He gets crushed. Then we he somehow gets him in the car and then gives chase to the bad guys.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:24

Yep. Just lets his partner die in the car.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:26

His partner dies in the car as they're driving around, not calling emergency services, not doing anything important to keep his which is the literally the most important thing in his job is to keep his partner alive at that point. It's not to protect and serve, but instead he chases, he pits them. The thing rolls, we have a very funny ejection.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:46

Cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:46

Yeah, that the fake body goes flying.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:50

Yeah, it's good.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:51

I love that. Then he chases the guy down, and then he he he feels bad that he didn't murder that guy. Correct.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:00

So then he could have murdered it set up. Right. This scene is set up by him explaining why he became a drunk, basically. And it's not because his partner died. It's not because he didn't back up his partner and his partner died. It's not that he didn't bring his partner to the hospital and his partner died. It's that he caught the guy and didn't shoot him in the head. That's the part that messes him up. He's like, boy, if I could go back, I would just kill that guy. Not help my partner. That doesn't matter. I just really wish I would have killed that guy. This is a bad man, okay? This guy deserves the chair.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:41

And then the guy that he didn't kill gets off. Why did he get off? Did they even give some plausible explanation as to why he got off?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:50

No, of course not, because this movie doesn't make any sense. He's caught red hand. He it does it's not possible that he gets off because those two guys definitely shot him. There's footage of it, right? We have the whole thing on camera.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:03

Well, he backed up the vehicle, right? I mean, unless turned the vehicle into the gun. Even if he was the passenger.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:10

Even if he was the passenger, he's gonna get an involuntary manslaughter or something. If he was the passenger, he probably is the one that shot, right? Because the driver probably didn't shoot. The driver was driving. I don't know. It's crazy. It doesn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:23

Okay. That was so funny. And then he drove okay. So my favorite part. So his explanation.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:34

I can't I cannot wait to hear this, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:36

His explanation as to why he he drove home, because he that the day of the wife's getting murdered, he drove to work and then he found his his flask, but it wasn't a flask, it was a plastic bottle that was brown so that he could hide the booze in it.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:54

So she couldn't tell it was whiskey.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:58

She took it and they went in, they argued about it because she recycled it. Yeah. Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:09

Great.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:09

What the fuck, what the fuck are you talking about? It wasn't like his grandpa's secret flask. It was just a fucking brown Pepsi bottle that she threw in the recycling, and that's what he was angry about.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:23

Just go get a new one. Just go get a new one. They're 99 cents. Do you know? Or what I don't know, what's soda now?$1.29? I don't know.$2.99?$4. You're right. No, he's right. Killer. You got that's rude. All right.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:40

Oh, that was so funny. It's so dumb.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:43

And then there's this broken vase that they talked about, and then he's like, and then I broke the vase because it was her favorite. I'm like, what are you saying? He's vindictive.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:54

What a little bitch. He is a bad guy. If this were not um some sort of murder mystery, if this was like one of those thrillers where the husband kills the wife, he's the perfect character. So it's weird.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:09

So then he's like, well, maybe I did it. And this is the point at which the AI has to convince him that he didn't do it and don't quit.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:19

Don't don't quit. Don't quit. Basically, don't admit your guilt. Because if you admit guilt, I have to stop. And we're both we both know you're not guilty, so don't do it. That's basically what she said. He said 98%.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:32

The second he says maybe I did it, she just That's it. Okay. Well, now we're you know we're halfway through the movie. He's like, I can't believe we're only halfway through this movie. Maybe I should play detective a little more.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:51

Right, but I guess he's not a detective, so it makes sense, Dan. He never would have thought of it because he's not a detective.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:57

Uh so he's like, this is a crime of passion, but it I couldn't have killed her because I have no passion left.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:05

Right. What? You just beat her. So it doesn't make sense, right? Because it does take passion to break the vase to be an asshole. Exactly. Like you're vent you're a vindictive asshole and you're mad at her. End of story. You can't pretend now five minutes later, you're like, you know what? I have no passion left. That was a joke, what I was doing earlier when I broke the face and smashed in the door and then almost killed her. I was just kidding. I didn't have any any feelings whatsoever about her.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:32

Well, he it was a crime of passion about his flask. About his flask. I didn't give a good boy.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:39

I didn't give a shit about her. I was the flask. But my my plastic bottle, baby.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:45

Oh, okay. So this is when he has a hunch. We cut back, there was a barbecue on Sunday before this this all all happened. She says, no hunch. And then um what we set up is that Rock we're trying to figure out who could have done it. Yeah. So what we set up is that okay. So we set up a barbecue.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:15

Then we watched these other couple videos that the daughter had taken, and she'd been looking for a ghost in their house. First of all, if you think there's a ghost in your house, you don't just come up with that one day. You've been thinking there's a ghost in your house for a your whole fucking life.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:30

That is correct. Whatever, put that aside. So basically, our old house, we had um my mom, and I'll be honest, I was pretty convinced because we've all we all thought we saw it. There would be um a kid that would run up to the window and ring the doorbell at our old place. You mean a dead kid? There's no kid, I'll tell you that. We we would look extensively every time. There's no kid. This happened for years, like throughout throughout our time at the old house. It was years that this would just happen during the day, and we're like, there has to be a kid, but the kid never got older from what we could see. It was just like this little kid. I don't know. But you could you saw the kid. We all are convinced that we saw a kid, yeah. But you never knew who the kid was, and he never got older. Never had never seen that kid before. After as far as we could tell, that kid lived there for 20 years because we were there for like 13 years. I don't know. It was weird, man. See now that's crazy. So it was spooky, and I'm sure there's some sort of logical explanation. I don't know what it is, but it was spooky. And we were all pretty convinced. Your whole family is crazy, so probably shared psychosis. My dad never bought into it. Does that make you feel better? He would make fun of us relentlessly.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:41

You know, I go between loving your dad and hating your dad.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:45

Welcome, welcome to being part of the family, Dan. He's he's uh he's kind of a dick, but he's a hoot, you know? What a great and also he's not a dick anymore. He's actually he's grown into a very good.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:58

He sort of cooled off on some of those.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:00

When my brother had his kids, um, he became like the sweetest grandpa. Like, it's it's fun to watch as an adult just be like, holy shit, you've like turned turned a total corner. And now I love the guy. He's great. Where was this guy when I was growing up? Well, exactly. But to be fair, they're also great kids. And I was a piece of shit. Tony is a terrible person. Everybody says that. I am, I am.

Ghost Video And Basement Hand Clue

SPEAKER_04 1:14:26

He's not wrong. That's all I'm saying. All right, let's keep going.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:28

So we watch this one video that the daughter took about the ghost. We see the door to the basement is open, she never goes down there, and then he's like, enhance it, and boom, lo and behold, there's a hand, a human hand on.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:41

Is this my favorite part of the movie? And what happens, so I this movie needs to be about this, and it's not because that's an interesting movie, but the person's still there. You know what I mean? That's what has to happen. This that call has to be like live during the thing. The daughter, he's talking to the daughter and he sees a hand. He's like, Holy shit, that girl, there's someone in the house, there's someone in the house. And then that person grabs her and he's like, I gotta get out of that chair. Um that would be that's not what happens. See, but that would be tense. Sure. Yeah, it would be pretty fun. Um, but instead, it's just like a hand, and then he's like, Well, whose hand is it? Let's try to figure out whose hand is it. No, no, no. That's all he cares about the hand.

Rob Nelson Reveal And Conspiracy

SPEAKER_02 1:15:20

You missed the best part. He's like the hand, and she's the and the AI's like, could be a reflection. Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, time the fuck out. Time out. It's clearly a hand. There's no mirrors. There's it's it's clearly a hand you can see a reflection. How's it? How's it a reflection of what? From what? We've been through the whole house, right? We've we've processed the whole house. Should we know what's there? She's seen what's there. I'm just like, that that's lazy writing. I mean, a lot of it is pretty lazy. So now we know it's it's someone from the party. We find out that there's they have urea granules where she works. We find out that Rob Nelson and this other guy, Holt, maybe it could have been them. Um, and then we figure out it's Rob. It's Rob. And then we figure out that he hid down there for two days, killed her, then snuck out some secret place where there were no cameras except this bird camera, and then we see some moving bushes, then we follow.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:27

But how did he get they were so here's the whole thing there's like this whole subplot of uh internet outage? Yeah, that's a weird internet outage to protect him magically. Did he do that? No, we never really talk about that. Did he cause that? Does he have a little EMP? He's like boom, and then they're all done.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:47

But but best, bird guy's camera, he somehow sneaks into his house, gets into his car's trunk, and then waits till he drives him away, and then he can get out of the trunk at a at a Aldi.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:04

I don't know. Trader Joe's. It was Trader Joe's as a sign at the top of the street. Son of a bitch.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:12

God, they got good meatballs, though, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:15

So we send. Oh, this is when Maddox starts losing the the the judge starts losing her mind.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:21

Which she doesn't have, so it's confusing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:26

He well. But I mean it's set up to go lower in the percentages. It's not like it's not set up to try to change.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:34

Yeah. 100%. But isn't he is he asking her if she thinks he's guilty? And she's like, I can't think, I'm not programmed to make uh thinkings, and she's just like short circuits. I don't know. It's the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:51

Um, they send SWAT to Rob's house. Rob's on the run. While they're at the house, they they see a this this is so crazy. They see a picture, and they take the picture and they're like, Oh, the picture's torn, and then they're like, Well, check every picture that's ever existed. Then we like see all these pictures of someone one at a time. How does that make any sense? I mean, that's how it works.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:17

Well, it but does it because that picture would have been before all this was created. Well, what if So how is that picture in the database?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:25

How is a picture of this guy and his a picture of this guy and his brother from 20 years ago who scanned that into the web? Exactly. Not him, not him, because he didn't do it, he and more importantly, why'd he tear his brother off?

SPEAKER_03 1:18:40

Right. Just to make sure no one knew that it it was a connection. You know what I mean? That's subterfuge.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:47

So like usually in movies like this. Hold on a second. So what you're telling me is he went through his house and destroyed all the pictures of his brother because he didn't want anyone figuring out that was his brother.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:59

Like what's like when when your ex cuts you out of all the pictures and just your face, you know, cigarette burns. No, he's not mad. No, he's just hiding. Usually I feel like in movies like this, they're just like folded, so then when you take it out, it unfolds, you're like, oh shit. He's got a brother. No, this guy's fine poor at all. Right. But he only kept his side. Like, why do you even keep your side of it then? Why do you care about your own picture? I don't, it's all weird. Good times. Good times, man. Remember that day?

SPEAKER_02 1:19:29

Love that. They find all this info in the garage. He's got a rig, and he's made$60 million worth of drugs, but they also find the anarchist cookbook, and then we realize it's a bomb. We realize he's going to downtown, and then we realize that the first guy killed by Mercy, David Webb, is his brother.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:50

I have a question. Yes. So he gets a thing called the Anarchist Cookbook. Real thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:56

We had it when we were kids. You had it?

SPEAKER_03 1:20:00

Of course we did. So is it a real is it a real cookbook? Do you want to know how to make napalm? Anarchist cookbook. That's wild. Here's here's where I got confused. He he has this thing and it was called the Anarchist Cookbook. And then he's like, What's that? And the AI goes, it's a terrorist handbook. Why are those phrases so similar and yet different? I was like, that's such a weird thing to say. It's the anarchist cookbook, it's a terrorist handbook. I just thought it was weird.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:29

That's not what you would say. You would say that it was a book published in 1969, used by radical leftists, you know, and listen, Dan's not even AI, everybody.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:41

Dan's a regular human and he knows that information. She has the wealth of the world's information. She could just tell him what it is.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:48

Yeah, just tell him what it is. Well, it be a little computer-like. You know, we've all sat here. We know when we ask a Google thing and the has the little AI thing up at the beginning, it's gonna sound like a computer. It's not gonna sound like a human being.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:03

And I yelled at Google the other day. I got so mad. This is what's here's what's weird though. The madder I got, the worse answers it was giving me. I swear to God, it was doing it to like it was it was petitive donors for yelling at it. I think it really was because I was I was cursing at it in the little the tag, the search bar. I was like, no, you fucking idiot. I mean this, and then it would give me worse answers. I was like, what are you doing? We're in a fight. So eventually I had to give up trying to search what I was looking for. But what were you looking for? My point was that it it always came back as a computer.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:42

What were you looking for?

SPEAKER_03 1:21:44

Okay, so what I was looking for, Dan, is I had a very large video file that I needed to upload to the cloud. Sure. So I was asking it where I could find high-speed internet that was free.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:58

Oh, and it was like it didn't want you knowing that.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:02

It kept sending me to data providers, and it was like, oh, good Verizon. This is like, no, no, no, no. Listen to me. I'm saying I need a physical location where I can connect to the internet for free at high speeds. And it was like, well, you could try buying it. And I was like, you listen to me, you motherfucker. And then it started going off on this weird trail. There was not anything to do with internet data. And I was like, this is weird. I need to get out of here. So then I quit. Wow. It got weird, man. It got heated, and I think I'm targeted. You're not, you're, you're not allowed that population. It didn't want to give you the AI list now where they're gonna take me out first, those robots.

Truck Chase And AI Takes Control

SPEAKER_02 1:22:41

Ooh, we okay. So the bad guy's coming with the truck. He wants to blow up the mercy court. He also has somehow grabbed the daughter, so he's got he's got the daughter in there. We see there's the house blows up and I think kills a bunch of FBI guys.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:00

It's the uh it's the speed moment where Jeff Daniels is in the house and they find the bomb, and that's a great moment. In this movie, it's not a good moment. I don't even know who dies. Yeah, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:09

Because they kind of some people get away and then the stupid partner jumps. Some people don't, and none of it matters. And we do like this whole thing where the whole courtroom is on fire because of the bomb.

unknown 1:23:21

Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:22

It was so weird.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:24

Yep, sure was.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:25

So now the trial is over because we know who the bad guy is, but then he's like, I'm not leaving the chair. Because if I leave the chair, we don't have your magic powers, and the computer is conflicted.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:35

That it And she's like, But if you stay in the chair, it's gonna kill you because I have to turn it off.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:41

Yeah. Oh well. Uh and then he's like, Let's work together. So now we have a big chase through downtown with the truck. Now, is that all CGI or was that real?

SPEAKER_03 1:23:52

Wow. I mean, so again, I think it's because it was filmed in 3D that it looks weirder than it should. Um I thought it looked pretty good. I thought it looked pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, it looks pretty good, but also like there's something weird. You know what I mean? And I don't know if that's CGI or if it was the fact that it's filmed in the with those cameras, so like your depth perception's a little different. I don't know. I don't know what it is. But it looks it just it just looks slightly off, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:20

Um somehow Chris Raven takes control of all of SWAT.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:25

Um he can just talk to them, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:28

They scramble a helicopter and then put a SWAT agent down a rope on top of this truck.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:39

Correct, yeah.

unknown 1:24:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:41

And that person falls to their deck.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:43

But he's never yeah, yeah, he's never actually on the truck. That's the problem. He's very close to getting on the truck. He lands on the truck swinging. No, no, no. He gets on the truck. Did he land on it?

SPEAKER_02 1:24:52

He lands on the truck, and then the guy goes like this, and he goes, They're like, ah shoot, that's a bad plan, guys.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:59

Anybody got anything else?

SPEAKER_02 1:25:00

At one point, some car goes through into a restaurant and kills people seated for the lounge.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:08

Just like a regular car, though, so it's okay. It wasn't malicious. That was funny. Um, and now the for the for a movie that was very made sure that all of their pedestrians clear the roads very quickly as the truck comes in that one space.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:24

The swat guy has a little bomb on a cart which he's gonna send to to blow up the thing, to save the people that it'll save and all the damage it'll do. Uh AI turns it off so that it doesn't blow up the thing because the AI doesn't want his daughter to die.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:41

Right. And that's not how AI works.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:46

Just throwing it out there.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:48

They evacuate and then uh let's see. Marcy takes a car through. Oh, and then Jack, his partner's on the flying, you know, like the flying drone thing. She flies and flies right in front of it, and then somehow's flying backwards without watching, and then it's talking to the bad guy, and then she tries to shoot him, and then Mercy takes control of her thing and then throws her off of it.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:19

Absolute insanity. It's so silly. She's dead. She's dead, by the way. She's just she's so dead. She hit a street light, she's decapitated, she's dead. Uh, I don't care.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:33

Well, she lives, doesn't she?

SPEAKER_03 1:26:35

She does live, yeah, because she comes back and then shoots him again later. Because she's spoilers, she's the bad guy kind of.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:42

Um, okay, so uh he crashes the truck into the building, and then he sits down, you know, with uh with a gun to the head of the daughter to wait for Chris to come down. Chris, they end the trial, Chris comes down, and then Chris is like, okay, prove your brother didn't do it. He's got a dead man switch. We figure out that if you pull this one plug in the dead man switch, the dead man switch wouldn't work anymore. Now the judge is in is being cool and it's all on Team Chris, and then they fight, and we we find out well then Jack comes in and then she kills kills the kills the guy, the bomber. But before that, we found out that he was on the phone with his brother, and that he couldn't have been there at the time that the exact second the murder occurred. Oh, here's the dog. Um so cute. And so the basically the mercy core got it wrong, which really doesn't mean anything. There's no reason, you know, it's like people aren't gonna care. Um Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:43

This is yeah, we'll we'll cut to that.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:46

Okay, so that's that, and then we find out that the secret phone, she stole the phone, and she's like, I had to make sure that the first Mercy Court thing was perfect because of how bad everything is, and I don't have any person. No stakes in anything. There you go.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:03

Yeah. Yeah. So the the whole ending means nothing, right? So you have you have Chris Pratt character who is an abusive alcoholic husband. Nothing happens to him. He's a bad guy. But you know, he, you know, but he didn't kill the wife, so he's a hero. Now, the brother, the the bad guy, quote unquote, his brother was falsely murdered, and he's avenging his brother. So he's a bad guy, but you know, he's a hero. Now, this lady Jack, she uh threw a phone away so that this guy would be convicted because she wants mercy to work because she's just really hoping that there's you know justice in the world. So she's like a bad guy, but like she's kind of a hero. What is this movie about? What is happening? Why what is all of this gobbledygook? Just make it straightforward. We killed his brother, he's exacting revenge. End of story. Who cares if that guy's guilty or innocent? That doesn't we're not making a statement here. Who cares?

SPEAKER_02 1:29:12

No, we're making a statement that you can't trust AI and you can't trust cops.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:16

Are you sure? Because AI solves the problem and then fixes everything. No, no, no. Chris did. But he didn't at the end, is what I'm saying. She uh it uh what do you say? The AI turned off the bomb, the AI saved his daughter, the AI then tricked this human being into pretending she was listening to his testimony so that Chris could get the upper hand. She saved the day, which is not she did a lot of non-AI things to do it, but she still saved the day. And then I think she kills herself. I think she's like, We got it wrong. What did we do? Power down, which she wouldn't do because it wasn't her fault. She the cops sabotaged the case. She didn't actually make a mistake.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:06

I think the whole thing is a both an indictment on the system and on humanity. But is it okay? I have one important thing. Okay. Um he hugs the daughter, Britt. Yeah. Did you look at her nails?

SPEAKER_03 1:30:27

Her super long goth nails? Yeah, I looked at them, Dan.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:31

She's kidnapped, dragged into vehicles, and she has two inch long, perfect like nails on one hand. Nope.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:40

You know what that means. Nope, nope. She's she's in on it, Dan. She didn't struggle at all. She's totally in on it. I kind of thought she was gonna be in on it at a certain point. She kind of has to be because she has that Instagram that's like anti-AI. She's talking to her boyfriend. She's like, Man, I hope my mom leaves my dad. She thinks the dad killed the mom. She's ready to burn the place down. Burn it down. Everyone is a terrible person in this movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:05

Every single one. We get one final line, I believe, from Chris Brett. We did what we were programmed to do. We make mistakes and we learn.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:14

Yeah, and then she says something like, Yeah, we learn, and then she shuts herself down. We learned to shut up. Doesn't make any sense. We learned to shut up, Tony. Yeah, I just I hate it. I hate everything. I think this is dumb. You know, you know what I was thinking. I love that this movie. I love that the politics of this movie made you angrier than any politics of any movie. Because I don't think it's making a stance. I think it thinks it's making a stance, but it's not. You're saying a bunch of nonsense. You're you're right. You're right. It is a bunch of nonsense. That drives me crazy. When people are like faux political, fuck you. I stay out of politics for the most part because one, I don't think I'm smart enough to have those conversations and I'm fine with that. But also, like, you know, in other than the world that we live in, which is apparently in politics is very important because we have bad people, but in general, like growing up, politics were just politics, right? It's just like, oh, you know, tax is this, tax is that, these different things. And I just I never felt like it was personal. Now it feels a lot more personal. Oh, yeah. Uh I'm getting off track now. Doesn't really matter. But I don't like when people are faux political. That's all I'm saying. If you're gonna make a statement, make a stance, make a statement, say something, that's fine. That's even if I don't agree with you, that's fine. At least you're doing something. This guy is doing nothing.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:32

I have no idea if this movie is saying that having an AI court would be a good thing or a bad thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:37

I don't either. I don't know because sometimes it feels like it's saying it's bad, but then it turned out pretty good because it fixed its mistakes. I don't know, man. Well, I think it's confusing.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:47

I think the point is it is saying that an AI court is bad, but it's not saying that AI is bad.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:54

Sure. But also just the fact that we made it crazy is why it's bad. It shouldn't be the only thing that matters.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:01

We can't, you know. I think this what it's saying is we can't have an AI court until it learns how to have hunches.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:09

It doesn't even know what a hunch is. We are years away. Years away, everybody. So Dan, yes, hold on. Oh, well, there's more. This is what I was thinking last night. Let me just throw something by you.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:20

I find it hard to believe that you were thinking last night, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna I'm gonna open my mind to possibilities.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:26

I was deep in thought about this movie, and I was just thinking, if this was made in the 90s and it was, you know, a little bit kookier, but a nice 90s thriller, yeah, they would fall in love, right? Chris Pratt and the AI would fall in love because there were moments where they were connecting, and then she would come out with a robot body, and then they would hook up, and that's the end of the movie. I want that to happen. Wouldn't that be fun? That would be a fun, that would be a romp. Tony, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:33:56

You and I've done hundreds of these shows, and I don't even think we've we've begun to plumb the depths of your perversion.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:05

You're telling me that's not hot. I don't believe you. I don't believe you.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:11

Well, you can just ask Grok and it'll make you that movie. Groc!

SPEAKER_04 1:34:16

That is unfortunate.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:16

We make mercy, but make it. We're at the end, but make it they fall in love. At the end, they fall in love, and there's robot sex.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:27

Love it. I mean human robots. You know, it's it's inner species.

What We Like This Week

SPEAKER_02 1:34:31

There's man on robot sex. There you go, Tony. Man on robot sex. Perfect, perfect. Okay, now we talk about something we like this week. Uh, we started the series Bait, which is Riz Ahmad, and he's playing uh an actor in London who gets up for the James Bond part. Oh, okay, and and the mess that occurs because of that, you know, because of racism and you know, all these kind of things. Uh interesting. There's good comedians in there, there are a couple very funny things. Uh it was it was good. But you know, yeah, you know, he's your typical uh I want something, but you know, I'm gonna go too far to do it. So, you know, it's sure you're like, don't, don't, don't, and then he does it, and you're like, oh, he's doing it. Oh, here we go. And you've done it.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:27

And now it's all the consequences. Great job.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:29

Consequences come rolling down the hill. Uh, what do you got for us, Tony?

SPEAKER_03 1:35:34

I love it. Well, uh like what you talked about last week. We finally started uh company retreat. I think you talked about it last week. I think I think I did.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:42

Yeah. Yeah. I love it. He's a treat.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:48

Alex is great, Emily's great. I think I really yeah, I really do. Um also the the fat guy's great in it. He's fuck. I shouldn't say you know, the big, the big guy. That's what I should say. The bigger guy. He's funny, he's very funny, and then the the guy that they found to be the human is just so fucking likable. He's just uh yeah, so they did a wonderful job so far.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:13

You I think you can't understand how this show can work because he recaps everything with just just the slightest prodding. He he'll recap everything to everyone around him. And you're just like I Who are you? You don't know how you oh you haven't watched the first one yet. Oh, go watch the first one. That guy No, I haven't yet. That guy is so beautifully charming, it's insane.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:40

Okay. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:41

We'll go, we'll go back and watch it.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:43

Um, but yeah, he's great. And I was just and you know, I was debating with my wife about how this show shouldn't work. Um, and I was like, if I was if that was me, the show would never work, right? Or or someone like me. Well, you're just because you're a critical asshole. Yeah. Exactly. And and she's like, she's like, well, not everyone is an asshole. And I was like, are you sure? Oh this guy seems too good to be true. And I guess though, I guess there are good people in the world, but I just don't know them.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:13

If they cast hard. The the people who do the casting on this show, I am sure they go through hundreds of people to find that that gem. Because you have to find that gem of a person that's going to 100%.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:27

Be a little naive to the world.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:30

But not in a dumb way. Not in a dumb way. Never like, oh, this guy's dumb. I'm just like, he is too sweet for this world.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:36

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:37

He's too pure.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:38

And he has he has a nice wide range of of world experience. 100%. Yeah. But he's he also is is is not he's not the critical asshole that someone like you and I are, which you know, I serves us well, but you know, you get to the point where you'd be did have you watched all the ones that are available?

SPEAKER_03 1:38:02

Is did they release a fourth one? We've watched three.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:05

I think they I think we just watched the fourth one yesterday.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:08

You know, they have this they have a presentation about from this guy in the fourth one, you know, of like, you know, getting stuff done or whatever, you know. And he just says some stuff that it's just like, come on. This is but you know, they they earn they've they earn all this stuff, you know. They they drag him down into this world.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:31

It's it's yeah, and you know what a delicate balance. That would be what a fun thing to shoot, I think. Oh god, yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:39

Yeah, yeah, and Alex is just he's yeah, he's great.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:42

He's having a great time.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:44

He is playing a real, you know, everybody feels they've they they're they're heightened, but there's still just enough realness there that you're like, I believe this. I I could I could fall into this.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:57

Yeah, it's good. Yeah, it's very fun. So if you haven't watched it, go watch it, everybody.

Next Review Pick Greenland 2

SPEAKER_02 1:39:01

Yep. And now it's my turn to pick a movie. Yeah, Dan, what do you got? I'm not picking a movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:08

You're not picking a movie. Are we done? Nope.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:13

This is the end, Tony. You will never see me again. No, we're doing one of the classics where we're doing a movie that we have to do that doesn't count as a pick. Okay. What are we doing, Tony?

SPEAKER_03 1:39:27

I is it what you sent me?

SPEAKER_00 1:39:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:30

Yeah, yeah. I don't even what was it? I already forgot now. There's oh yeah, yeah. Greenland 2. We're doing Greenland.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:36

It's like a it's like a legacy pick, you know. Neither of us has to pick it because it's a legacy pick.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:42

I get that. I get it.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:44

We gotta do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:44

Because doesn't it have like a zero somewhere?

SPEAKER_03 1:39:46

I guess it's I mean, I think it's I don't think it's doing well, yeah. But you know, friend of the show, Gerard Butler's in it. The old G But and uh Monica, what what is her name? Marina Backerin. There it is. I don't know her name. She's so phenomenally hot. She's great. Have you oh yeah, you saw Wrecking Creek. You told me about it. I haven't finished it yet. You haven't finished it? I've watched it three times, Dan. I love this movie. I'm obsessed with it.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:15

And I told you, I was like, Tony, you did. You gotta watch this movie. You call it this is an old, they've made an old school, they've made a real old school movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:22

They sure did.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:23

What's your favorite? I am just I'm at the freeway. That's as far as I got. Was it there on the freeway?

SPEAKER_03 1:40:29

Oh, with the helicopter? Yeah. That's where everyone's like, oh, this movie's too much. And I get it. Yeah, I get that. But also it's you know, stupid and fun, and I'm totally fine with it. And there's again, you haven't watched it, but they're so charming in the car that I'm like, yeah, I'm on board. Um, I still my favorite scene in this whole movie is the first Jason Momoa fight in his apartment. That's what I thought it was gonna be. I thought you were gonna say that that was unbelievable. I don't didn't. I didn't like Jason Momoa very much. Oh, wow. I think he's great in Game of Thrones, obviously. Sure. After that, I hated everything. I hate him in Aquaman. I just I don't like anything. I liked him in The Fast and the Furious when he played the bad guy because he goes crazy. And I was like, this is fun, but this is this movie. He is on another level. He is so charming in this movie. He's funny, it's perfect. He's perfect. I finally get it. I finally am like, I get Jason Mamor.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:27

This is this is yeah, and you know, he's a hard guy to calibrate, you know, because he kind of plays, he kind of plays a dick, you know. He's kind of and that's the they the the movie calibrates that people being being kind of bitchy with each other, being assholes to each other, but but for a reason, you know, because there's an actual you feel the familial pain that these guys feel against each other, 100%, but they still love each other, and you're like, that is that is how life is.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:57

You have a man, I don't remember what ah, yeah. There's a great scene in there that I don't know if I can talk about yet, but you'll get that. You should finish it, Dave. I'll finish it this week. It's a treat. I'm just I'm really hoping for a sequel. I would love to see more.

Thumbs Up And Farewell

SPEAKER_02 1:42:14

I have no idea how that works. Okay, we're gonna say goodbye. Uh, if you like what you see, give us a thumbs up, subscribe, or leave us a comment. Um, they happen occasionally. Sometimes people get mad at us, just occasionally. Yeah, you can get mad.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:31

It's okay. I get mad all the time. You can get mad.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:33

If you're number one mercy fan, come at us. Let's hear your feelings.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:38

I will be shocked. But please come come talk to us. Tell us why we're wrong.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:42

Otherwise, we're gonna be back for Greenland 2, which I guess is after the world's destroyed. They're probably gonna get out of the big ship and and try to re you know, it should be called Noah's Ark, part two. You're gonna repopulate the wedding. Because isn't that what happened? We they didn't get on a spaceship, they got on a boat, and then the boat survived the world falling apart. Now we're gonna see what's happening with the world. You know, somehow there's gonna be great. There's probably gonna be chasms they can fall off of, or maybe there's bad people already.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:13

You know, it could be like the poke. Well, there's always bad people because it wasn't like mostly rich people. I don't remember. I should rewatch the first one before. Right. And let's be honest, most of them bad people.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:23

Yeah, maybe it's just Gerard Butler with a gun walking through the thing, killing all the bad people.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:29

Damn. Uh that's cathartic right there. That's a 99%. We didn't figure it out. We enjoyed that movie. Yeah, we'll figure it out. John Wick and post apocalypse have a great times. See you next week, Tony. All right, goodbye, everybody.