Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
Hate Watching the Truman Show: Truman, Tinfoil, And TV Lies
What happens when a brilliant concept crumbles under its own weight? We dive headfirst into The Truman Show and pull at every loose thread: a dome you can see from space, a moon that doubles as a control booth, rain on a dimmer, and a hero who behaves like a normal adult instead of someone raised by a stage. We’re not here to nitpick for sport—we’re asking how this story should work if it wants to be a satire, a thriller, or a character drama, and why it lands in a mushy middle where none of those genres truly sing.
From Plato’s Cave to product placement, we walk through the philosophical promise the film hints at but rarely honors. If every relationship is an advertisement, then lean in: make the world a nonstop sales pitch where Truman’s wife, friends, and neighbors are always selling, and his dawning awareness is inevitable and painful. If it aims to be a thriller, lock the world’s rules, tighten the surveillance, and make each escape attempt a credible chess match. If it wants character drama, reshape Truman’s mind—how he understands weather, intimacy, trust—so his confusion feels like a life-long conditioning rather than a week of convenient glitches. We also dig into the ethics that the film shrugs off: consent inside a staged marriage, the grotesque idea of a “live conception,” and the hollow claim that “he can leave anytime” while hazmat teams haul him home.
We revisit standout sequences—the falling light, the radio bleed, the traffic loop, the boat into the painted horizon—and ask why these moments should soar but don’t. Ed Harris brings steel as Kristof, yet the god-voice scene undercuts itself by offering a safe return no human could accept. And that final audience beat, the channel flip after 30 years, says more about the movie’s uncertainty than about us. Along the way, we compare the show’s fantasy to today’s reality TV, from the quiet sincerity of early Love Island seasons to the engineered chaos that drives modern engagement, and the extraordinary longitudinal honesty of the Seven Up series. Knowing what audiences actually watch makes the Truman premise feel even less plausible.
Stick around to hear what we’re queuing up next—yes, a holiday curveball—and where we think televised storytelling goes from here as streamers consolidate and theater windows shrink. If you enjoy a spirited teardown with a blueprint for a better version, hit follow, leave a review, and share this with a friend who still quotes “Good afternoon, good evening, and good night.” Then tell us: would you stay in the dome or walk through the exit?
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SPEAKER_01:I might have my blood taken today, and then I get aspirated tomorrow.
SPEAKER_02:Doing it all poking all the holes in you. Good golly. I can go be a junkie now. I don't think you use the same hole.
SPEAKER_00:You can. You can.
SPEAKER_02:You can totally do it. That's how you hide it better. That's the problem with junkies. They're making like eight or nine holes all the time. Just going in and out.
SPEAKER_01:Welcome to eight watching with Dan and Tony. I remembered the name of the show this time, and I'm Dan!
SPEAKER_02:And I'm Tony. We're starting over again because it's like a third or fourth try.
SPEAKER_01:This is the false start evening. Evening of we usually do this in the morning. We're doing it in the evening. It's like midnight where Tony is.
SPEAKER_02:It's 2 a.m.
SPEAKER_03:where I am.
SPEAKER_02:That's not how time works. You're doing time zones backwards. Don't matter. It don't matter.
SPEAKER_01:On this show, we watch a movie. Then we have gas that makes us want to burn. Um then we talk about we talk about the movie. This week I picked the movie. I picked the Truman Show 1998 hour and 43 minutes, and I hate this movie.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I I don't think I hate this movie. No. But when you when you think about the movie, it becomes nonsense. Absolute nonsense. None of it makes any sense, and it's impossible that it could never work. But you know, if you don't think about the premise or the story, and you just watch the performances, some of them are not bad, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Um every time we do a movie, I write out like four pages of notes of everything that happens in the movie except stuff I don't want to talk about, I just leave that out.
SPEAKER_02:And then sometimes I fill in those blanks because I love to talk about stuff you don't like.
SPEAKER_01:You always remember the wrong stuff.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that is my thing.
SPEAKER_01:But sometimes after the movie is over, I go off my morning walk and I talk to myself because I'm crazy, and I write all another whole sheet about the movie. About these are topics that we need to attack before we even get into the blog.
SPEAKER_02:Now, can I ask a quick question? Has this is this the first time you've done this? Because I don't recall this ever happening before.
SPEAKER_01:I don't really recall it. We had a little extra time this time, so I had like a little more time to think about it. That's true.
SPEAKER_02:You had a few a few extra days to really think about how much you hated this.
SPEAKER_01:And I I will say, I I don't hate this movie. I just really dislike this movie because this is a this is a trap movie. Oh, a trap. It's a trap movie, because what this movie does, and we've we've done a couple of trap movies. I can't remember what the other ones are, and and you fall into this trap, and it's a movie that everybody fills. I don't know if you did with this movie, but you've done you did you've done this with other movies. You fill you fill in the movie that you want it to be.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I do do that. That's actually something I I do, yeah. I didn't do it for this movie. No, I didn't do it. But I can understand why that would happen.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, this movie, it kind of telling you that it's positing a bunch of questions.
SPEAKER_00:Sure.
SPEAKER_01:It's like, uh, you know, I'm gonna have a Christ-like character who's also thinks he's God, and and you could think about this movie as an allegory for him being God. He doesn't do any godlike things, he doesn't act in that way, he doesn't have a personality like God much. He talks some stuff in the end. He does one thing that's kind of like God, and it isn't treated like God, and it he doesn't even not even a little bit. He's completely unaffected by this voice in the sky. Yeah, you know, God. Yeah. There was a movie way, way, way back, a long time ago. It's called God, what's it called? Oh man. The gods and dragons. No, the honorable thieves. The gods have no something, something. And it was about this aboriginal tribesman who's like walking across someplace and a coke bottle falls out of the sky, you know, that somebody threw out of a plane or something, and this is a guy who had no connection to the real world, and then he has to sort of confront this Coke bottle, and I don't know, it's like a wacky comedy. I don't I don't remember what happens from there. But the point is It's a wacky com I didn't get wacky comedy from that setup, so thank you. But the point is this guy had to confront this object that didn't make any sense to his reality.
SPEAKER_00:Sure.
SPEAKER_01:And then, you know, comedy ensues. This movie sort of promises that and then never does anything.
SPEAKER_02:That is true.
SPEAKER_01:He everyone knows what the Truman show is. This guy has been brought up since birth and in this magic dome where they can do anything to him, sort of, but they also sort of don't do everything to him.
SPEAKER_02:And they're also really bad at it for having done it for 30 years, but continue.
SPEAKER_01:And somehow, instead of being this person that is has lived in he's not as the boy in the bubble, he is not the boy in the bubble. He is like as if you transported one of us into this situation and dropped you there, and that's the way he's reacting throughout the whole movie.
SPEAKER_02:That is correct. Well, because I don't know if you notice, they did that basically. Because he's Jim Carrey. Jim Carrey is one of us, so that they're just putting one of us in that situation, and that's how he's acted because you don't know how to act for someone who's not that. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01:Well, they have they haven't written a script that that sort of deals like, and that's that's one of the other things they're gonna talk about is there's a thing called Plato's Cave. It's a it's a it's a philosophy thing, and basically what it is is if you were making something out of Plato No P-L-A-T-O, Plato is a person, philosopher. Basically, if all the information you got on the world was through somebody doing like shadow puppets or doing sh through the shadows of what was going on, right? You know, you see somebody eating eating eating a carrot. When you finally saw a carrot, you might not know it's a carrot if there were two or three things, you know, it's like that looks similar. Yeah, you wouldn't know the difference between a pencil and a pen, because you would just see that thing that's that's that's that size, and you'd be like, well, those are the same thing.
SPEAKER_02:But I wouldn't know the difference between uh a quill, you know? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So so the idea of Plato's cave is is if you if you have like this sort of distance of understanding, you you lose something in translation that you're not gonna that you're not gonna understand. And Jim Carrey's character in here is just like Jim Carrey was transported into this situation, and we're we're sort of seeing him react to it from the beginning.
SPEAKER_02:Because because if you think about it, right, like if I was if you and I wrote this movie, yes, we would we wouldn't do this, but you can see, let me restart this. You can see how somebody writing this movie might be reacting to it themselves and putting that into the character as opposed to creating this otherworldly person who's never experienced these things, lives in the 1950s, as far as we can tell. Yeah, um, you know, and would be reacting to those experiences. It's just like, what if I were what if I was I would think this, I would think that. And that's um some of us have a problem with that. I I do have a problem with that. Yeah, in general, like in my in my writing. No, no, no, I mean in my writing, because I do I do similar things, uh, especially in like when I started writing, I all of my characters had my point of view, right? Because it's just like, oh, I know what I would say in this situation, that's funny. And it's like, sure, it's funny, but this person's just having a conversation with himself, and while and albeit you are a very funny guy, Tony. Two Tonies doesn't make a scene, right? Okay, uh just a no is fine, Dan. You don't have to put in the so I can I'm just saying I can understand whilst writing this movie how that would happen. However, before making the movie, somebody should have said, hey, I have a I have a thing that I might want to bring up. Um, this character doesn't feel real.
SPEAKER_01:And and more importantly, we're we're expected to believe that people are watching him sleep for 24 hours a day. We're expected they're they're gonna watch the baby in the incubate, and uh, I'm gonna throw out the the baby and the childhood stuff, and somehow they're gonna get a whole cast of of two-year-olds, three-year-olds, four-year-olds, five-year-olds, six-year-olds, seven-year-olds to play along with this thing. Play along with this fucking insane thing where they suck where somehow all these seven-year-olds are spending eight or ten hours a day with him, and then they're going and living their lives. You're just like, Well, none of this makes sense.
SPEAKER_02:Not a chance in hell. I know that you said we're gonna put it aside, and we'll put it aside in a second. I just want to say we have watched a lot of movies, and some of the hardest things to watch is child actors. Not not putting any shade on them. We've seen some great child actors too, but not that many. So you're telling me they found a whole world full, a whole town full of wonderful child actors and put them all in this thing. I just don't buy it.
SPEAKER_01:Interestingly, this whole the whole bubble world that he lives in, which is in Los Angeles and doesn't make any sense. They can control all the weather, and they they also have a moon because you've got to have a moon. Like a moon. And the moon, but the moon just sits in one place. It just sits there. That's the moon right there. It kind of goes on and off and on and off.
SPEAKER_02:Bring in the sun, and then the sun just comes in and the moon's still like they're not even on the same rotation. What's happening here?
SPEAKER_01:But I mean, they live in the moon. The moon is like a dog. That's true. That's that's their office. You can look out the moon. Okay. And so there's there's just if you want to imagine this is a fable, okay. Then then then fable us this. You know, I I'm okay. Yeah if you if you but they really they're like, We're gonna we're gonna show you a cross section of the dome, we're gonna show you where it is in LA from from higher.
SPEAKER_02:That was a big mistake. That was huge mistake, and it can be seen from space. So it's like, what are we doing? What are we doing here? And you can poke a hole in it. Yep, great.
SPEAKER_01:Don't understand why you could poke a hole in it. You know, you have magic wind machines that can do anything from anywhere, it can't be seen.
SPEAKER_04:You turn on the wind machines, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So there's there's just, you know, in Star Trek, when you do all this stuff, you'd either be on the holodeck or you'd have a godlike presence who is doing all this stuff. Sure, Ed Harris.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. So, okay. He's actually doing it with his mind. That's the trick of the movie. That should be the third act, is it's actually just him literally playing God. I'm I'm on board with that.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so let's we're gonna ignore all the structural things. Then we're gonna go back to all of the gaping holes. The gigantic holes that you just start thinking about instantaneously whenever anything happens. We're gonna look at why would anyone watch this and how would they watch this?
SPEAKER_02:That's a great question. Um are you asking me? Yes. I've I have some really good answers. Good. Who would watch this? Um, people in hospital beds that can't get up and can't go anywhere else. Uh that's all I got so far. That's it.
SPEAKER_01:That's the one. Well, we also we have the guy that's falling asleep in a bathtub watching him sleep. That's the only guy we see watching his sleep.
SPEAKER_02:Are you gonna explain that to me? Because I I don't understand what's happening. Do we know him? That the dude falling asleep in the bathtub? Yeah, is he around before earlier in the movie? Like, why is he a character?
SPEAKER_01:I think we saw him because we kind of have like four or five or six people that will cut away to watching. We have the security. We have the security guards that we cut away to, we have the two barmaids who we cut away to, we have a whole bar, and you know, of course, we also cut to them at different parts of, you know, it'll be like nine o'clock in his morning and we'll cut away to the bar. I didn't pay much attention to when we would cut away, but it didn't ever make any sense.
SPEAKER_02:You don't want to do it, dude.
SPEAKER_01:You know, it's just like, okay, we're gonna pick up all the barmaids reacting to things, even though these are multiple hours and these two people just, you know, it's almost like you needed to make this a 24-hour movie.
SPEAKER_02:Sure, but thank God they did not. Oh no, no, no, no, no, not a no, I mean the whole Oh, you mean the length of like the in-world time is one day. One day. I see what you're saying.
SPEAKER_01:Because making it a bunch of days, then you're just like, okay, this is it's yeah, you keep on introducing new things. Um another thing they don't do in this movie is they don't they don't give us his day or who he is or why we would want to watch him.
SPEAKER_02:I the reason why they don't is because you wouldn't. He's an insurance salesman. That's not fun. Not and I don't hold that. Let me I don't mean to offend all the insurance salesmans out there, salespeople. Um, because you know, a guy I went to college with, he's an insurance salesman now, and he loves it. I probably I don't talk to him, but I think he thinks it's just fine, and a lot of people probably do, and there's nothing wrong with the job. But moving on from that, I don't want to watch it. I wouldn't want to like go to your work and sit behind plexiglass and watch you sell insurance. I'm sorry, that's not very exciting for me. Um, and in his home life, I have so many questions because they don't seem to get along. They don't even like no, they don't even care for each other in any way, shape, or care for each other. Uh yeah, and so I I just don't know what the draw is. And then you you have to factor in the part where like he had a girlfriend that he still cuts out pictures of magazines like a fucking psychopath, and like people are watching this and rooting for it. They want him to get away from the wife. I don't know. That's what I'm saying. It doesn't it doesn't make sense. Like, I don't know what they're thinking when they watch this. That's weird. And he's like at his desk and he's like, Oh yeah, I'm gonna cut out these eyes.
SPEAKER_00:This is very sexy.
SPEAKER_02:He also has to hide it. Like, who are you hiding? Of course he has to hide it because because he's a creep. I think, and this is just my creep. I think he's diddling it. I think he's diddling to this picture. I think that's what's they're not showing. Um, it's just really weird. I don't see a facet of his life where I'm interested in watching this movie, yeah. And that's not good. I think personally, to make this movie work, uh there's there has to be a point where I'm like, man, I wish I got to see more of his life because it seems really cool and then it all falls apart. I don't I'm just like, can we just move on from this stuff? Because I'm so bored with everything he's doing.
SPEAKER_01:There's a director, Christoph played by uh Ed Harris.
SPEAKER_02:Ed Harris, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:He is just frightfully invested in keeping things as boring as possible. Yes. Yep. And like there's like these two twins that go up to him and talk about buying insurance. And every day. I guess they do that every day. Every day. And somehow, you know, we're gonna be invested in watching these two guys do that. No. There's also a million people in this place, all running in thousands of direct hundreds of buses and and cars, and it's like, that's not like any thing of reality. We don't you know, it's like, first of all, you wouldn't want a thousand people because that makes you know, there's one point where he clocks that the same thing keeps happening in the in the background. And you're like, why is it happening in the background? You wouldn't be doing that, you would not, you know, there's no reason multiple, not that many times in a day.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you're not maybe if they had a one that walk every once a day. Because, you know, the wife and I have a a route that we take every day almost. So I could understand that. But we don't just do it and then 20 minutes later, do it again, and then 20 minutes later, do it again. Like, what are you what is happening?
SPEAKER_01:That's not reality. That's not an approximation. It's like a it's just a thing that somebody's written. They're like, how can I show be clever to show that he sees the the machinations of what's going on there?
SPEAKER_02:Well, he's why is it the same car that drives by? You have hundreds of cars. We see them throughout the the movie. Just do a different car. And more Why is that so hard?
SPEAKER_01:More importantly, why does he have a car? Why do you give him a car? Why are there even cars?
SPEAKER_02:Yes, 100%. Uh very silly. Very, very silly.
SPEAKER_01:Why why are you putting in his mind you could get in a car and drive away? Because you can try all the media that's going in there. I guess he can I guess he watches I Love Lucy, but he could grow up without television.
SPEAKER_02:Sure. That would probably make life a little bit easier. And then he goes, here was my biggest question about travel, since we're just kind of jumping all over, but he goes to a travel agency and is like, I'd like to book a flight to Fiji. Has he ever seen an airplane in his entire existence? I assume he's read it in books or uh seen around Templar. Wouldn't you be like, hey, why aren't there planes? If there's an airport here, which there has to be, why has there never been a plane flying? I don't understand.
SPEAKER_01:Very confusing to me. We also set up that they don't run any commercials. God only knows why they don't run any commercials.
SPEAKER_02:You should definitely run commercials.
SPEAKER_01:And what they do is they sell the stuff that's in the world.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:The stuff in the world does not look like anything.
SPEAKER_02:Well, it looks like 1950s nonsense.
SPEAKER_01:Well, it's like okay, well, we're gonna table that for one second.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, I'll table it.
SPEAKER_01:What is this movie? It's not a comedy because it's not funny.
SPEAKER_02:It's not very funny.
SPEAKER_01:It's not a drama because you never feel like it's not very dramatic. It's not a thriller or suspense.
SPEAKER_02:It's not very exciting.
SPEAKER_01:It's not very exciting. It's not satire. It needs to be satire. He needs to be living in a world where everyone he sees is always selling. We set up with the wife twice. She holds up a thing and is like, I just got this, and I just got coffee. And the second time she does it, he goes, Why are you doing this? Why are you acting this way? And you're like, Because she has acted this way every 15 minutes for your entire life. For your entire relationship. And now and he now decides that he's like, Well, this is now it's weird. This is not how normal real life is.
SPEAKER_02:You're acting like See, and that's that's the big problem, is because that is his normal life. That is his normal life. That's what they're telling us. So he wouldn't be like that's so weird, and which is a problem because I really liked his reaction where he's like, What are you talking about? Like, that's great, but you know what she's talking about. Yeah, she's probably said this exact same thing a hundred times this month, yes, right? Like that's her job, that's her job. It is her job, but now now let's do you want to talk about sex? They they pan away from it. They pan away from it, but they're doing it, right? Oh, yeah. I mean, like, he's not not had sex with his wife, even though he's not putting a baby in her, supposedly, or something. You know, maybe something's wrong with him because he's growing up around all this technology, it's you know, it's ruined the sperm count or something. But that's that's a weird thing for well, because she does not seem sexually interested in him at all. She's not, so she's just like doing it and not enjoying her life. And then what she goes home to her husband, it's kind of weird to me.
SPEAKER_01:She's been in there at least 13, 14, 15 years.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:16, maybe more. I don't. The other guy has his best friend, has been his best friend since he was seven.
SPEAKER_02:So he's been But he at least gets to leave, right? She goes to work, but that's kind of it. She then she comes home, spends the night with him, sleeps over, and then goes in the morning, and then she goes to work, I guess.
SPEAKER_01:She has a minimum of 16 hours a day. At most, she has five, six hours during the middle of the day where she can kind of go live her life. Yeah, what but yeah, which is not and at no point do we set up a thing where she's like, Oh, I'm gonna go visit my mother for a month. You know, we we we needed to set up and she has no friends, she has no real you know nothing. She's got nothing, she's got his his dick. That's what she has.
SPEAKER_02:But she doesn't even like it. Unbelievable. So it's so weird. This whole thing's so weird.
SPEAKER_01:It's it's I guess that's the thing, is like I can't understand how you could if you watch this movie m m regularly, you'd just be like, uh. But I people like Jim Carrey, which is fine. Um I love Jim Carrey. Our good buddy Todd, I was talking to him today, and I told him we're doing we did this movie, and he was like, you know, that this movie is kind of prescient in that it was kind of before reality TV became the thing it became. 100%.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, before reality TV, before social media, and like it's all talking about things like that, you know, streaming IRL, as the kids say these days. That means in real life for those that aren't in the know. And that all makes sense, right? And like, even this whole, oh, we sell all the stuff in the world, like, sure, yeah, you know, Kardashians, they wear a shirt out, and now US Weekly is like this is where you can get this top. Great. I get it, but like I'm not gonna watch this 24 hours a day. Well, then I'm not gonna tune in every day, nothing happens.
SPEAKER_01:The point is, we've seen where reality TV has gone. It's it may have started out, you know, the very first reality show was on PBS, and they followed a family for a course of, I believe, like a year. Okay, documented it all, then put it on there. There's also uh um a documentary series on British TV called Seven Up. And what they do is they connect with these people every seven years. So they started when they were, I believe, seven years old, 14, 21, 28, and some of the people bow, you know, it's a big group of probably, I don't know, 25 people or something. Sure. Some of them bow out each time, some of them leave and then come back.
SPEAKER_02:And that's probably why you start with a big group. That makes sense.
SPEAKER_01:And they've been doing it. I I think they're all in their their 50s now, at least.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, that's wild. So the movie boyhood was basically just stolen from that premise. Got it. Probably.
SPEAKER_01:Got it. Um super fascinating because you really see, you know, there's one guy that struggles with mental illness, and then he kind of gets better, and you see the marriages, and you see the like there's this one guy that was like a he was a jockey, and then he was a cabbie, and then he became this, and then he retired. You you see, you know, dude. Yeah, it's it's incredible. And but the thing about one one and a half years for me, I'm gone.
SPEAKER_02:Um wait, wait, wait, wait, just retired. Not gone. Well, you don't know.
SPEAKER_01:You're not well, I mean, I guess that's true, but that's sweet government money coming in. It's taken off. You'll never see me again. Shannon thinks I'm never getting it. She's like, they're gonna cancel Social Security before you get there. I'm like, they better not.
SPEAKER_02:They're not. They're gonna try, but they're gonna try, but they're they're not. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:The point being is we didn't have a lot of a lot of uh reality TV to look at. Now we have a lot of reality TV to look at. This looks even more absurd now because we know what reality TV is is on. It's on the we know what people are tuning into. They want to see something happen.
SPEAKER_02:So we are obsessed with Love Island, which I've talked about many times on this podcast, but we started with the OG UK Love Island season one. It is a group of relatively uninteresting people that you know are trying to find love. And they're just they're there for the right reasons. They're all messed up people because at that time, you know, only weird people were like, Yeah, I'll go on a show for three months and try to find love. So they're weird in a different way, but it's so calm. It's just like people doing their thing, trying to find love and not finding it, right? Because it's a ridiculous experiment. Fast forward to season whatever, 30 or whatever, wherever I don't remember what season is. It is crazy. The people that go on there are just insane people that are just so hungry for fame, and everyone's so dramatic, and everyone and people love it. People love it so much more now than they did then. And it's just like, I miss the days of simplicity.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But I yeah, it's reality TV is bad. I mean, we watched all those seasons of uh uh Real World on MTV, and like it started like this, and then it just stone balls, and you know, now we have a cabinet secretary that was on Real World, you know?
SPEAKER_02:Great, we're doing great. It's America is really we're crushing it.
SPEAKER_01:So yes, don't know what this movie is. Uh and we watched that other Tom Cruise movie, which was basically the same premise. Is remember that one that's like oblivion or something where he drives in a little helicopter. Yep, you know, and it was a suspense movie, and it made perfect, you know, I didn't care for it, but it made perfect sense.
SPEAKER_02:I know you didn't, but I like it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, he figures out the wife's being weird, it's like, oh, she's she's on the other team.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. And this one, yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:She seems like she's on the he it seems like it should be apparent to him that she's on the other team from minute one.
SPEAKER_02:A hundred percent from from from day dot. Like, she's never liked you for the record. I don't know. I don't know. It's so weird. And then they're looking at the pictures, and she has her fingers crossed on the wedding day. What a stupid thing. Like, I understand you write that and you're like, oh, this is funny. It's not funny. This is not the first time he's seen this picture. Everyone has seen this picture. It's right in front. Like, I it's so dumb. What a stupid thing to write into a movie. Shame on you.
SPEAKER_01:Um, the guy the guy that wrote this and was supposed to direct it, but they brought in Peter Weir to direct it.
SPEAKER_00:Sure.
SPEAKER_01:Has gone on to make lots more movies kind of like this, including the Justin Timberlake movie called In Time, I think it's called. Yeah, where you have the thought sing. Uh it's beyond terrible if you haven't ever seen it. I watched it. It it's just it's so terrible. It's like it is like you can see them driving around downtown in LA trying to find an empty street to act like it's the future. You're like, oh no, this is so bad. You gotta do future on a budget, you know? That's what it's all about. And so he's done lots of movies like this that are like these sort of fake high concept science fiction ideas that that he's exploring, and the exploration just it's not a good exploration of the thing. Correct.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that is unfortunate for all of us, really.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Uh yeah, what else? Do you have any more preamble? We're only gonna do 50 minutes of preamble, then we got two and a half hours on the movie. Um perfect. Ed Harris came in to the movie, you know, because they oh, they had somebody, and he found he had to bow out, and so they brought in Ed Harris, and this was Ed Harris's one, this is what he wanted to do. He wanted to play Kristoff as a hunchback.
SPEAKER_02:Why? What does that have to do with anything? I don't know. Spice it up, but also shame on them for not letting him do it. You don't know, it could have really paid off. You never know.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, do we want to do my two the two things I hated the most in this movie?
SPEAKER_02:But real quickly, I just want I wish I could go back to that day and just hear him say, I've got a great idea. I'm gonna do this character with a hunchback. And then somebody says why, and I need to hear his explanation of why. Like, give me one reason why you think this person needs a hunchback. Doesn't make any sense, and I would love to know. It does make sense a little bit. Because the hunchback in Notre Dame?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, a little bit, because he lives in this the world outside the world. Because the hunchback in Notre Dame always was observing. I'm seeing, I'm Charles Larkin, I'm observing the people. And he would be that same sort of thing above and observing. Yeah. Okay. I'm gonna give you two. I should know about that. I'm gonna give you two lines, the two most important lines of the entire movie, and they're the lines that putting these in your movie is literally the dumbest thing ever.
SPEAKER_02:Uh I love this. All right.
SPEAKER_01:Almost at the end almost at the end, I think it's uh what's his name? Uh the the guy from The Simpsons, Harry Harry Shearer? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Is that the friend? I don't even know who's from the Simpsons.
SPEAKER_01:He's being interviewed. Uh Christoph is being interviewed up there, and he's taking calls, and actually, Sylvie calls, Sylvia calls in the woman that he's in love with. He says, she says, he's a prisoner, and Ed Harris's character says he can leave at any time. Anytime. What the fuck are you talking about? What do you mean you can leave at any time? You guys have made it 90 minutes. You've made a trap for this. This movie's about a guy being trapped and amazed. A million cars appear, so he cannot. People tackle him. They carry him away. That is not leaving anytime.
SPEAKER_02:If he really, really wanted, he could do it, Dan. Anytime.
SPEAKER_01:Anytime. And then, of course, the absolute worst line of the entire movie is where would where would you put the the worst line of your entire movie?
SPEAKER_02:I would put it uh the first line in the movie. No, so that people know what they're getting into.
SPEAKER_01:You put it last.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Uh we get to the end, everyone cheers. Uh he he walks out the door, he talks, God talks to him, he's like, Yeah, I don't care about you, God. Like, uh okay, I would probably react if I heard God talking to me, but whatever.
SPEAKER_02:Um I would be a little different. Yeah, I would I would I would respect it a little bit.
SPEAKER_01:And everybody cheers, and then the two security guides are what do they say? They say, they say, What else is on?
SPEAKER_02:Well, let's see what else is on. We've only been watching this for 30 years. What else could be on television?
SPEAKER_01:They do not fucking care. This is how much they care. Like, Shannon and I watch something, and then I will spend six years unpacking it to her. Not that she wants to do this, but I will I will unpack something endlessly if I find it interesting. These guys, eh, who the fuck cares? Whatever.
SPEAKER_02:And honestly, like, if there's a show that ends, I'm sad about it. You know what I mean? Like, I have feelings towards it. I've spent a portion of my life watching whatever it is. Yes. You would care a little bit more than eh, what else is on? That that's what you're saying about your stupid movie that you have just made. I mean, but it's funny because they know how we feel. You know what I mean? Maybe it's a nod from them to us being like, we get it. We know this movie sucked.
SPEAKER_01:Now we're gonna start the movie. Hour 43, Miller.
SPEAKER_02:All right, let's start from the first frame, everybody. Here we go. Strap in.
SPEAKER_01:Give some commentary. He talks about people leave him on all night. It's a noble life.
SPEAKER_02:Well, we never we never really talked about that, but yeah, I would not leave it on all night. That's all I'm gonna say. Uh that seems really weird. I don't want to hear this fucker snore. What the fuck? I don't want to, I don't want to hear anybody snore. I mean, if hearing people snore is as bad as my wife makes it sound, it is when she gets when she wakes me up and she's mad and hitting me. I don't want to have that on my TV. Turn it off.
SPEAKER_01:Um, his best friend is Lewis, and then they say, nothing is fake.
SPEAKER_02:Everything is fake. Except for everything. Everything is fake. Like nothing is fake except for all of it.
SPEAKER_01:You're you're constantly manipulating him. Constantly manipulating him to try to keep him just doing this, you know, living the Barbie living the Barbie life, right? That's the whole thing. Barbie at the beginning of the Barbie movie, she lives her Barbie life, which is the same every time until one thing changes, and what does that cause? It causes a cascade that changes everything. Everything. That's a fun movie. And that movie did what this movie wants to do. Wanted to do, yeah. You're right about that. Think about Barbie. You you believe what she's going through, and she's she's this fictional cre she's a creation, and a creation you want to watch, and watching her go through having to con deal with her world not being real is beyond fascinating.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, 100%.
SPEAKER_01:You're right about that. Nothing in this movie is like that.
SPEAKER_02:Uh no, no, no. I can't wait to get to the part where they golf. I'm so mad at that. That's my that's the part that made me the most mad, but continue.
SPEAKER_01:Uh a light falls out of the sky, he sees the light there, and he's confused because I I don't know how there could be a light up there. We don't have we never see any idea of how a structure works, and it's a light. So Tony, tell us about what kind of light that is.
SPEAKER_02:Well, that's uh that's a frenel. Uh looks like a hot light to me. So it's here's my question, right? So it's a big dome. Yeah, big dome. Right? Yeah. That fall straight would be so high that when it hit the ground, it would frickin' explode, man. Oh, it wouldn't just crack its glass, it would just be like, oh, I fell out of the sky. No, you fell out of the sky, bro. That would shatter, it would uh it would explode. Uh and also that light, not powerful, right? So I don't know how high it is to light up. Well, I guess if you had one million lights, maybe it would light up the sky. What does that light do?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, what is that one single light doing? And it's and it's a stage light. It's right, it's a stage light.
SPEAKER_02:100%. Yeah, yeah. So I don't, I don't know. I was more confused than Truman was, though, I'll tell you that. He didn't seem that confused. He was just like, well, that's weird. And that's the other thing is shit like this would be happening his whole life. Well, so that's my biggest problem with this movie in general, is is they're trying to tell me that they've had 30 years of perfect performances, perfect crew, everything has been perfect, and then this one week everything goes wrong. There are so many things that go wrong. So there's no way that that's possible. This has to always I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_01:And I mean, they have a whole setup, which is is is one of the things that makes this movie tr fake clever, where they're like, okay, now we're gonna we're gonna tell him there was a satellite passing over, and we're gonna tell him we're gonna show a news story where the satellite and we're gonna tell him that this and so you know that's not clever, it's I don't know, it's it's just writing a bunch of bullshit that's I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:And if that happened once a week, you would think something's going wrong. It would be a lot of stuff.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know. Ah, okay, there's the thing. News flash that explains the light. Everyone says good morning to him to slow him down. He seems fake. Uh okay, he seems fake. He does. Oh, he he has to make this call. He makes a secret call and tries to call this his his high school micro crush that he saw at one dance. Yeah, not even girlfriend. Like so they barely spoke. So yeah, so so 12 years later, he's finally trying to phone use the phone to try to call her.
SPEAKER_02:Or he's done that every day of his life for 12 years. I don't know which one it is, to be honest with you. I don't know. Neither are normal. No. I'll just say that. Like both of them are red flags, and I'm not on board.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Okay. So they set him up that he has to the boss comes over and it's like, okay, we got this, we got this insurance job on the such and such island. Go take the ferry. He goes to the ferry and then he melts down because he can't take the ferry because they've ingrained a fear of water into him so that he never wants to leave.
SPEAKER_00:Sure. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Does he live on an island? Um, maybe. Maybe. Don't you think you'd put him on an island if you want to make him afraid of water and then he can never leave?
SPEAKER_02:I guess, I guess probably not, right? Because he was gonna drive to Chicago or something, right? Yeah. So I mean, I guess there's bridges, but Yeah, I don't know. Because then they have to cross over the bridge. He's like, I can't drive over the bridge, and then she drives over the bridge. So yeah, I think they're on an island, maybe. Yeah, I don't think they are. It's hard to be sure.
SPEAKER_01:Uh we we show him gardening where we see the classic shot of his butt, which is everybody loves that classic shot of his butt because it's his butt.
SPEAKER_02:It is funny, like just isolated. That's a it's a funny shot. Why is it in this movie? Maybe that's what we want to watch. People are like, ah, his butt. Oh, and listen, if we were objectifying Jim Carrey, I'm on board, you know, but we don't ever else. I don't know. I don't know. It's a weird shot, though.
SPEAKER_01:Uh the wife comes home, she's got groceries, whatever. Later that night, he's off having beers with his best friend, and they're golfing.
SPEAKER_00:Great. Great.
SPEAKER_01:Uh what are we angry about, Tony? I didn't get angry about this. So they're on what, a bridge?
SPEAKER_02:I think they're on a like it's kind of like a freeway overpass that's unfinished. Right. I thought so too. Two problems with that. Number one, they're golfing back towards town.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, are they?
SPEAKER_02:That's why it's weird. They're not gulfing off the edge of it. They have everything pointed back. Yeah, it's parenting back towards the road. So that's from what I mean, I maybe I'm going crazy, but I am 99% sure. I was apparently. But they're hitting it back down the road, and I was like, why are they facing the wrong way? What's happening right now? But the other thing is, isn't he afraid of water? Because this is water right at the edge.
SPEAKER_01:Not necessarily. It looked like water to me. I don't know. I don't, they don't really tell. Yeah, it seems like they're kind of near the ocean, right? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I'm pretty sure they are. And even though they're hitting the golf bulls back towards town and not into the water. I'll re-watch that tonight and I'll update you all next week on the pod. But I am almost positive they were hitting it the wrong direction.
SPEAKER_01:So he talks about quitting and then going to Fiji on the opposite of the right of the world, and then his friends like, well, you're gonna need money, you're gonna need planning, blah blah blah blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
SPEAKER_02:Not totally wrong.
SPEAKER_01:Now we cut to uh he has memories of sailing with his dad, there's a storm, the dad dies. This is how they install the fear. Uh he's he's on the He's on the beach, isn't he? He's like still hanging out on the beach, and then it's Yeah, he gets close to water.
SPEAKER_02:He just can't go in it or something.
SPEAKER_01:It starts to rain, but it just rains in a direct spot over him, and then after a couple seconds it it expands out. What why? Oh, to give him more clues that he's not living in reality.
SPEAKER_02:No, no. I know, I understand the what they're doing story-wise, but why would you just have one? Oh, because that's a mistake foot. It's a mistake. That's a mistake? Are you sure?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, they're telling me like there's probably like uh, you know, one of those doors that opens like a like an eye, you know, shit. And it just got stuck. Ding, dang, dang, dang, dang, dang, dang, dang, thank. There's a guy up there with a ranch head on a goddamn rain machine! You gotta open. Gotta get get open, iris open. Then his iris is open. But once again, he would not be like, that's not how rain works. He doesn't know how rain works.
SPEAKER_02:He has no idea. He shouldn't.
SPEAKER_01:He's probably seen weird rain like this problematic being problematic before.
SPEAKER_02:Nope, never happened before, Dan. This is the first time in 30 years. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_01:Uh, let's see. So he goes, he talks to the wife about going on an adventure. Uh, she wants to have a baby because if they I guess that's one of the central conflicts is that if they have a baby, that will increase ratings. They don't need ratings.
SPEAKER_02:The ratings are fine, I'm pretty sure.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I mean, it doesn't matter. Ratings don't matter. All they need to do is have people buy products. They should have said we gotta have a baby so that we can sell baby goods. Baby products.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. That's right. We haven't been able to sell those in 30 years since you were a baby, Truman. Um so I just am confused about this baby thing. Yeah. Because is she really gonna have his baby? She's an actor. That's insane, Dan. That's the craziest thing I've ever heard in my entire life.
SPEAKER_01:I love it, I love it that you're bringing the real actor point of view. Like, most of us don't think about it, we just think it's like super weird. But you're like, as an actor, that's a little too much.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, Dan, if I was like, okay, your job tomorrow is to carry another person's child for nine months. What are you talking about, dude? That's insane work. That is that you can't ask someone to do that. Why can't you just fake it? Why can't you just fake it, guys? I don't give her a give her a fan suit thing.
SPEAKER_01:And more importantly, he doesn't know anything. He could she could just say, Up, you put a baby in me, and then two weeks later, here comes the baby. Here it is. Congratulations, the stork brings it over. Good job. And you see, that would be satire, right? Sure.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that would be good.
SPEAKER_01:If we just did all we were just fucking with him constantly, he'd be like, oh man. I would watch that. Yeah, it'd be interesting.
SPEAKER_02:That's a show that I would watch for sure.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Um, okay. Uh boom, boom, boom, baby. They talk about no sexist scene. Then boom, he's at the newsstand, and there he sees a homeless guy, and it's his dad, the guy that played his dad. Can I ask you a question, Dan?
SPEAKER_02:This is a dome, right?
SPEAKER_01:A sealed dome. Well, I mean, you can't poke a hole in it. Sort of. I mean, that's probably like a scrim, there's probably a wall behind that, but you can't poke a hole in it.
SPEAKER_02:I just how does somebody not want to get on the set? I don't understand. I mean, they do like a bit later where it's like, this is not the first time a random person has made it on set. How does that happen? You have security at this dome. This is like the most expensive thing in the world.
SPEAKER_01:I understand the other random people because they're brought on as like as background and then they call it. Sure, and then they just break the rules.
SPEAKER_02:Sure. But this guy's banned from set. Without a doubt.
SPEAKER_01:Why are you why are you letting this guy back on set? Who who's you know, show us the casting agent being fired who who left the rehired this guy who's like, I didn't know I was supposed to know I wasn't working here 15 years ago.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But you know, come on, that's kind of a major cast mistake.
SPEAKER_02:It's very weird. Very, very weird.
SPEAKER_01:And then they do all this weird stuff with joggers to to to you know, so that they can whisk him off of uh set.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I guess.
SPEAKER_01:Uh he goes to see his mom. I I don't even know why, you know, the mom's like, I never blamed you. The mom just has no part in this movie. She's just like, she does nothing. She appears like two or three times and that's it. Uh he goes downstairs, he's got a trunk, photos of dad. Uh, and then uh the wife is like, I know your mom called. And then the wife does the first uh product placement, and then we we start we start talking about the sweater girl. Oh, he's he pulls out this sweater. Does he have the sweater of the girl from high school? Sylvia?
SPEAKER_02:Oh man, now I don't remember. Yeah, no, he definitely does smell it. So I guess, yeah, he must. She probably left it behind in the library or something, and it just took it forever, and again, diddles himself to it. So we can't listen. This guy is a full on creep. He's cutting magazine pieces like a serial killer. He's he's not doing great.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Um, okay, so we we start setting up the dance. He sees the girl across the room, and she kind of looks at him and kind of gives him some eyes, and she's being manhandled by the guy that she's dancing with, and I guess he's supposed to intervene, sort of.
SPEAKER_03:I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:Um he's then he's studying, and all his friends leave, and then the girl appears. Somehow she appears, some background girl. Yeah, and then she just starts saying stuff. She's wearing her how's it going to end pin? Which is like, wait, we're already thinking about how the Truman Show is gonna end like when he's like 17 years old.
SPEAKER_02:15 years ago? Yeah, very strange. Um, and it's weird because like, how did she get on set again? And well, she's a background person. She is, but hasn't she already been next? Because she's been too close to him several times. Yeah, you wouldn't let her back on set. You you don't need her. No. Like you have hundreds and hundreds of people. You don't need her. Yeah, the girl's gonna become his wife. That's what's supposed to be.
SPEAKER_01:That's that's you wouldn't be happening.
SPEAKER_02:And she wouldn't be allowed to be next to him in the library for extended periods of time freely talking. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, we can't talk about this. It's not safe here. It's like, are you sure? Because you walked in here, sat down next to him for an hour, and nobody said anything.
SPEAKER_01:And you're mic'd. He is m'ed. Christoph is in the moon listening. That's what Christoph does. Uh send in the football team. The football team runs through there and she disappears forever instantaneously.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But no, they have time to go to the beach. They go to the beach, he kisses her, and now they've decided better take some action. Here comes a car, here's your dad.
SPEAKER_00:Dad.
SPEAKER_02:And she's and she's like, come and find me. And that well, first of all, she's like, I've never seen this man before in my life. And it's just like, what? That's a weird line to say. I mean, I get it.
SPEAKER_01:Well, especially because you've got a 30-year-old woman trying to play a 17-year-old, and she does not play young. For sure. She does not play young at all.
SPEAKER_02:No.
SPEAKER_01:The dad does deliver the one line in the movie I liked. He's like, We're moving to Fiji. Moving to Fiji. It's like, okay. Hence his obsession with Fiji. Ah, yeah. It all makes sense.
SPEAKER_02:Great stuff. Great stuff.
SPEAKER_01:So yeah, so somehow he saved. I guess she left her sweater on the beach. He saves it, you know, and does his thing into it.
SPEAKER_02:Um wonder if he ever washes it or if it's just accumulating for 30 years.
SPEAKER_01:Anyhow. Um, and then he's making he's tearing up the magazines and making a composite photo of her secretly. Secretly.
SPEAKER_02:That's weird. Why, what? That's weird. If you're listening it's weird either way, right? If you saw somebody do it, it would be weird. But it's even weirder that he's hiding it from everybody and he's like, nobody can know about my secret picture. That's weird.
SPEAKER_01:And we also see that Sylvia is watching him, going like, go make my picture.
SPEAKER_02:Love me. You know how like there are crazy fans out there, even like to stars, and you know, they they stalk them and maybe murdered them. That's who this character is. She's in love with the some dude she sees on the TV for 30 years.
SPEAKER_01:She she was already in love with him, yeah, when she was 17.
SPEAKER_02:That's bad. That's bad stuff. She is not okay in the head. I'm sorry, she's got problems.
SPEAKER_01:And I mean, if this was a real if this was a satire, then we would, you know, if this was like uh uh what's the what's the the Sylvester Stallone movie with uh Simon Over the Top. No, uh where it's finish one. The future one, the future one uh Sandra Bullock. Oh, oh, oh, oh yeah, yeah. Demolition Man. Demolition Man. Demolition Man is a satire.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's great. And it's a Taco Bell in every restaurant's Taco Bell.
SPEAKER_01:We love ever we love we love everything because it's a satire, but it's also an action adventure movie. But the satire man the satire is always there. It's great. We know the satire is there, and the satire is what makes us forgive anything that movie does.
SPEAKER_02:Well, you don't have to forgive it because it's perfect, but I understand what you know what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_01:It's it it it gives the movie room to do the jokes and the weird stuff. Yes, you know, that Taco Bell's the only restaurant left. It's great. It's great.
SPEAKER_02:Great.
SPEAKER_01:That's a bit everybody. Totally believable. And it and in a because it's a satire, it's totally believable because we understand how the world works, and that's how the world works. This work, this there's nothing in this movie that we look at, or I look at and say, Oh yeah, that's talking about how the world works. 100% because I agree, because she would be part of a resistance that would be causing these things.
SPEAKER_02:Isn't she like it seems that she's got a sign in her house that's like free? Yeah. Is it free Truman or Justice for Truman or one of those? I don't know. Yeah, I might be conflating real. No, no, no. She has a bunch of stuff on the wall.
SPEAKER_01:She has a bunch of stuff. So we know that there's protests, and you're like, and how are they keeping this guy cage?
SPEAKER_02:She's the only one, Dan.
SPEAKER_01:Is she is she crazy? She might be a Looney Tude. We don't know. But the the point, and the point being is if you're gonna try to set up a world, you gotta set up the world. You can't just be everybody's like, yay, he's caged like an animal for our enjoyment. Yeah, does not make any sense. No. I don't want to watch. No, I'm not gonna want to watch this guy that they tell me was was the adopted.
SPEAKER_02:Especially if they turn turn away for the sex. That's the only reason to watch it, you know.
SPEAKER_01:There would be a lot of people that would love watching that. They would love it.
SPEAKER_02:I would tune in at least once, you know, just to see what's going on.
SPEAKER_01:I would watch the smash cut. Um literally, the smash cut. Smash cut. That's good. That's rude. Uh he's driving to work, the radio shorts out, and it tells him everything he's doing.
SPEAKER_02:And it picks it picks up the comms channel. What are you talking about? What are we talking about here? That's so stupid.
SPEAKER_01:Uh and then he so he's like everyone's being shifty, and he walks out into the road and holds up his hand and traffic stops. I'm gonna tell you something, Tony. If I walked out in the road and I held up my hands, either the traffic would stop or I'd be dead.
SPEAKER_02:Or you get hit and you can sue people, and that's what I try to do all the time, and they always stop. And it's not because my life is fake, Dan, it's because my life's a piece of shit. Because I want millions of dollars. Well, poor Tony. I had a friend, I had a friend in college, Dan, who had a taxi run over his foot, just like a little bit, went over one of his toes and like shattered some you know, toes or whatever. And he lived off that for a long time. That was that was a good settlement.
SPEAKER_01:Actually, so I'm just waiting for that. The place where I I used to work, he started the business because uh they had a bad forklift and it fell on him. That's very scary. It kind of fucked up his back, but that was a big settlement.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, a forklift is big, so I yeah, that's very scary.
SPEAKER_01:Forklifts are low, you know, they're low in heaven, so you don't you don't want to.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, they sure are. You're not picking that up yourself, that's for sure.
SPEAKER_01:Uh he runs, he runs running around, he knows things are going on, he runs into this one building and they're all trying to stop him, and then he's tries to go in the elevator, and then the elevator opens, and you can see behind the scenes. There's like some people at craft services. What? Why would that be behind the scenes? You mean you wouldn't put that through an elevator?
SPEAKER_02:I I would not. You'd probably put it through a door? Sure, yeah, a door. A door that or not a door. You know what I mean? Like on one side it's a door, the other side's not a door. I don't need those people coming and going as they please. I am in control of when the extras can leave. So no, it's a one-way door, you know what I mean? You close that door, you don't know it's a door. There's too many of them. They can't control them. Apparently. Apparently, it's utter chaos. No, this doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Also, who are those people sitting back there like getting makeup done or something? Like, that wouldn't be in the I don't know. It's so dumb.
SPEAKER_01:Um, so they throw him out very strangely. He goes and he sees his his best friend Marlin working at the convenience store, and then he's like, This is about my dad, a being followed. And they go to the where do they go? Where where do you take a person who's afraid of the water, Tony?
SPEAKER_02:I take him on a boat, but that's because I think he needs to face his feet. Take him to the beach. Yeah, it's close.
SPEAKER_01:Put some put some floaties on him, toss him overboard. Uh he's being set up, and then it's sunset, and then he's at home, and they're going through the wedding album. That's the other thing this movie always does. It kind of gets to these points where he's all like, they're after me, they're gonna get me. And then they're like then I'm back to neutral, back to everyone back to first positions. Yeah, just gotta reset, reset, cot, start again. They do the wedding album, they talk about the baby, whatever. Uh and then he sees the wife crossing her fingers in the picture. Does cross your fingers mean you don't mean it?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I mean it can, you know what I mean? Because like when you when you say, Oh, I promise I was crossing my fingers, it means that I, you know, I didn't. So yeah. Like every time you you say, like, hey, do you like me? And I say yes, my fingers are crossed, but they're off camera, so you can't tell.
SPEAKER_01:He follows her to work, and uh because she's supposed to be a doctor and a nurse. Or nurse, yeah, she's a nurse. And then we see this guy, the guy that's acting like the surgeon is all afraid because he's cutting, she they're cutting off a leg. I don't know. And then they pull the blind down and he can't see. Yeah. Uh tries to buy a ticket to Fiji, tries to take a bus, but then the bus doesn't work. And then the driver couldn't even drive the bus because he does know how to drive a bus.
SPEAKER_02:No, he was purposely breaking the engine. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He's doing it so that the bus can't go anywhere, so he's jamming it in some fashion with the stick shift. Which is so what's weird though is that he then when he tries to drive the boat later, he does the exact same thing with the boat motor. Yeah. Which is and he's not trying to do it there because then the guy that's on the phone is like, I don't know what you tell, I don't know what to tell you. They're actors, they can't drive boats. And I was like, but you already did the with the the bus. I was very excited about it. I think he didn't know how to drive the bus. I mean, I believe you because he didn't know how to drive anything, and then later they say it's because he's an actor, but I thought that they were doing that to trap him again. No, no, I got nothing. He gets in maybe they were gonna put him into a severe accident instead.
SPEAKER_01:Uh okay, let's see. He's Truman is in the car. Everybody predicts what's happening. Oh no. He's this when he predicts the the VW and the lady and the flowers. Um then he's like, okay, not not this all set up. Let's let's try and drive away. Tries to drive away, a thousand cars pull in front of him, then he goes home, and then he goes back up, and then the cars don't appear the second time.
SPEAKER_02:Correct. Also, what's confusing about that is that the dad got on set, and it took them longer to get the dad offset than it did for them to get 15 cars to all pull in simultaneously. That doesn't make any sense. You don't have all those cars just at the ready.
SPEAKER_01:So they did that for a reason I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:Then he goes to the bridge that's over the water and sh he's all scared, and then he makes he he hits the gas and then makes closes yeah, extremely dangerous because that's what you would do if you were afraid of the water. You would make it twice as dangerous to drive over it for sure. That's what you would do, without a doubt. You're like, what is what's the best chance of me dying while I do this? Oh, I know. I'll close my eyes and floor it. So stupid. It doesn't make any sense.
SPEAKER_01:Imagine when a Funny scene would be if he just like put on the gas like a little. Or he just like let it idle across there. He's like, I'm not looking. I'm not looking. And she's all like. Here we go. This is taking forever. So he gets across the bridge, and then uh and then there's a fire, and then uh the okay.
SPEAKER_02:Well, let's real quickly we've got to talk about the fire because they're like forest fire heads. He's like, oh, they're exaggerating. The fire is just a line of fire on the road. That's not even a forest fire. It's like, what is happening here?
SPEAKER_01:He drives through it, and then there's the nuclear plant, and then it's like a nuclear accident, and they're like, go back, go back, and he gets out and he starts running, and then uh police, I think they get a net out the police and and the guys in like, you know, sort of radioactive suits. The hazmat suits basically pick him up and carry him back to his house.
SPEAKER_02:That's correct. Yeah, great stuff. Great story.
SPEAKER_01:And when he gets home, the cops are like, You're lucky we're not gonna charge you for this.
SPEAKER_02:Like, what? What are you talking about?
SPEAKER_01:You can't say he can leave at any time, and you can't like put on your thing them carrying this guy back who's trying to escape.
SPEAKER_02:Just doing his best to get anywhere but here.
SPEAKER_01:He's trying to leave, and he is being there. If I watched that half of the country would be like, yeah, he's you gotta let him go. This is you got like, yeah, we would revolt.
SPEAKER_02:Wait, revolt? Is that the right word?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, revolt. Yeah, we would revolt. People would not be happy about that, and that would be the end of the end of this movie. Would be that they've gone too far to try and trap him in their fucking capitalistic bullshit, and we would tear it.
SPEAKER_02:We would burn it down and kills everyone. Yeah, that's great. That's a good ending. Oh my god. The Death of Truman, that's what the new movie would be called. And actually.
SPEAKER_01:And oh god, this is so terrible. Um wait, where where am I? Oh, where am I? They take him home, you're like, and then this is the point at which he's you know, the the wife's like, he's like, You can't stand me. And then she starts getting freaked out that he's gonna kill her. And so she starts talking like, help me, help me, and then the best friend shows up and they they embrace. And I was like, They're doing it, oh shit, they're doing it. And I'm like, wow, this is gonna be very interesting. I I don't remember this aspect of it. Nope, throw that away.
SPEAKER_02:It's just gone. That's why you don't remember it. It's because they nope, not a thing. Doesn't even matter.
SPEAKER_01:So now he's back with the back with his friend talking about since they were childhood, and then the friend's like, I would never lie to you. You're my best friend ever. I've known you for 23 years, and I would lie to you, and then we find out that Christoph is feeding him all of his lines.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:See, if someone started feeding me lines, how would you react if if Christoph was feeding me all of my lines? Well, you'd be like, well, you should be nicer to me, but hey, hey man. Like, like we don't we never deal with that betrayal at all.
SPEAKER_02:No, so that's what so that's what bothers me is they're definitely setting that up for like a big moment where he's like, oh wait, I did lie to you the whole time. And then Truman kills him. I just want people to die in this movie. I think that's what it is. I need this to turn into like a bloodbath of some sort. But it's just it's weird because they make such a big deal out of that, and then he's just never comes back at the end.
SPEAKER_01:He doesn't and like the guy doesn't care. He doesn't get offset and go and talk to someone and say, Nope, I feel terrible about this. He he's just terrible.
SPEAKER_02:And does not care.
SPEAKER_01:And you've got to show us some benefit for him being terri for being that terrible. Sure. Because this this this job does not seem like it's a great job. You know, he he doesn't get to go on vacation, he doesn't go anywhere, he doesn't get doing seven, he doesn't have a girlfriend in this type of thing.
SPEAKER_02:30 years, his whole life. Like, this is his whole life. This is what I don't understand, right? Like, who's gonna Only 23 years? No one is gonna sign on for this gig because there's no end to the gig. There's not like, oh, I'm making a ton of bank for the next you know five, six years, and I'm gonna go off on vacay. It's just like, yeah, so we have you until you die or he dies. Those are pretty much the only endings. So good luck.
SPEAKER_01:Good good luck building a family, good luck going to your son's little league game. You're gonna miss you're gonna miss everything in your life. You know what? You're gonna miss everything in your life. Just uh sign on that dotted line there, and uh we'll get you started. And you're gonna be the guy that has to talk this guy off of the roof with beards all the time.
SPEAKER_02:Most of your job is just trying to make him feel like he's sane, which he's not.
SPEAKER_01:You know, and and and there is it's not even any wacky comedy where this guy's like out there, you know, going to strip joints and he's in the strip joint and he gets a call. Not that we had cell phones, but you know, where he's like, Oh, he's like, uh where where are you at, Marlon? And he's like, I gotta go in, I gotta go in. And then to so the the whole idea is then I found your dad, Marlon tells him, and here comes the dad walking up. What? That's crazy. And we have this heart, this is and we we set up that this is the heartwarming fan, the all heart warming, heartwarming moment the fans have been waiting for, then everybody in the control center is like, hooray, we did it. Do we did what? Do we see the dad again in this movie? No.
SPEAKER_02:We never do. Or maybe we have one little scene. Do you? I don't know if you do. No, that now we have the interview. Now we cut to the documentary about the whole thing. We yeah, and he's like, Oh, we're gonna say it's amnesia, but we never talk about it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so now we have Harry Sheer doing an interview. We talk about the 30th year, what a week it's been. Christoph is a televisionary. I kind of like that.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's a good that's a fun little name.
SPEAKER_01:Uh, we have a montage of people that broke in. Christmas, a paraglider. How is a paraglider breaking in there and it's a fucking dole?
SPEAKER_02:I have no idea. None whatsoever.
SPEAKER_01:Uh, montage of him being scared, I guess. 5,000 cameras, unwanted pregnancy, no commercials, product placement. Oh, when he started out, he was an he was an unwanted pregnancy, and it's the first time that a corporation was able to adopt a child. Legally adopted a child. That's so problematic. I can't be right. Just insanely problematic. Yeah, that's not gonna happen.
SPEAKER_02:Sorry.
SPEAKER_01:And then uh, yeah, Sylvie calls in, he's a prisoner, he can leave anytime. And and then Christoph says something, another thing, Truman prefers his cell. What are you talking about? He tried to escape, and you dragged him back to the cell.
SPEAKER_02:That is this entire week he's been trying to get out, but I don't know what you're talking about.
SPEAKER_01:More importantly, the implication is they filmed all that and showed that to everyone because the at the end, when they turn the thing off when they lose him, which why they why they turn the whole thing off when they lose him makes no sense.
SPEAKER_02:During the drama. The only interesting you've thing you've done in 30 years, you're gonna turn off the thing? What are you talking about? No, you're gonna air this. This is the exciting thing we've all been waiting for. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01:And then the next day he's back to his old self. But I think he's broken up with Meryl at this point, right? He's broken up with it.
SPEAKER_02:Merrill has left because he spent a day in wait. I wrote Meryl is leaving.
SPEAKER_01:And so we're Yeah, they definitely couldn't have.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, that's what it is.
SPEAKER_01:Merrill is leaving, and then he says, Oh, we were really hoping for the first TV's first live on air conception.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's what he said.
SPEAKER_01:Does that mean there's gonna have a camera upper vagina and like watch watch the sperm swim past, motherfuckers?
SPEAKER_02:Like, what the fuck? Get in the egg, get in the egg, get in the egg. Yeah, it's weird.
SPEAKER_01:So he's back to his old self. He does something funny in the mirror, he's having a normal day, and I wrote, Where's his dad? Yep. Where's yeah, where's anybody? My dad dies when I'm nine years old, and my dad comes back when I'm 30.
SPEAKER_02:Not going to work for a couple of weeks. Ah no, I'm out. I don't want to deal with that nonsense. I'm going to work double time. I'll work OT, baby.
SPEAKER_01:He they bring in a hot girl to be his new office mate. Uh, we show him mowing. Uh he starts sleeping in the basement. Christoph wakes up somehow, comes in there, and he's like, check the audio. Oh, call him on the phone. Send send the Marlon over there. Marlon goes over there. Yeah. He has a tape recorder where he's recorded himself sleeping. He's played that. He's crawled out from under there. He sneaks into another room and has drilled a hole in the ceiling.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I guess there's not enough cameras in there.
SPEAKER_01:There's 5,000 cameras.
SPEAKER_02:There should be a few cameras in the house. There's button cameras, even. Like, I don't there's butt- there's cameras in everything as far as I can tell. Especially in his house, you know? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So they cut the transmission. They turn the moon into a spotlight to find him.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Talk about stuff.
SPEAKER_02:Talk about why the moon would be able to turn into a spotlight, don't he? Well, because that's how lights work. You know, you can you can turn lights up or down. So there you go.
SPEAKER_01:That's a feature you just build up.
SPEAKER_02:Generally, not the lights that they would have. They would, you know, but it's fine. You can put them all on dimmers, I guess. That'd be about 10 million dimmers that you'd have to control, but I'm sure it's fine. Everyone starts marching around in step arm's length.
SPEAKER_01:Locked together? What's happening? What? When you search in the forest, that's you you don't do it like that, but you have people in very close proximity because you want to be poking and seeing every little thing. But this this somehow is You're just on a street.
SPEAKER_02:I can I can walk down a street and pretty much see all of the street. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:Especially in this place where there's not a lot going on. Okay. And then they then they they say everyone's marching in step, mom and dad are there. Then he's like, Cue the sun. We up dump up comes the sun, it's daylight. You know, okay, well that that means there's nothing there's no such thing as reality. Okay everyone goes to first positions where they all start every day and they stand there.
SPEAKER_02:They're just frozen. Yeah. What?
SPEAKER_01:I mean, we know everything cycles, so just start cycling. Just do it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, just have them do a loop. It's fine. Don't worry about it. Just sit there frozen. That's so weird.
SPEAKER_01:Oh no. And then boom! They start looking at the steam, they start looking at the cameras, and there he is, he's in a boat. And everyone is energized that's watching. He's got on a sailor hat. Yeah. He's got the Sylvie photo in hand. Anyway, see this lady! Any of you seagulls see this lady. Hello. Um they can't drive the boat to go get him because they're actors, and then they cue the storm and they say, he'll turn back. Oh, how would he turn back in the storm? Tony, have you ever sailed?
SPEAKER_02:No, that's one of my um my big like uh to-dos before I die. I'd love to learn how to sail.
SPEAKER_01:I took sailing in college.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know why I took sailing in college. I would have if that if my college had taught sailing, I would have done the same.
SPEAKER_01:They just put you on a boat and they're just like, go by yourself. Maybe there was maybe there's someone else with me, maybe there are two of us, but it's uh it's insane. It's it's it's like putting a five-year-old in a car and saying, good luck, bro, because you have so little control of a boat. Boats just like yeah, boats do what they want.
SPEAKER_02:You know, they go at the mercy of the other.
SPEAKER_01:And you have to tack, you don't just go where you want to go. You have to if you want to go some direction, you go left, right, left, right, left, right. Oh my god. It's it was insane. It was interesting. And it's uh I'm glad I kind of have the skill, sort of, in case like something crazy happened, like you know, I'm on a end of the world. End of the world, I gotta get the I gotta get the Catalina because that's because zombies are coming.
SPEAKER_02:I could probably follow the wine, you gotta get there. Yeah, so I could not. I don't even know what tack means. Uh I'd be in big trouble, I'll tell you that.
SPEAKER_01:Big storm, he falls off of the boat. And what does he do, Tony? What does he do after he falls off of the boat? He drowns. What do you mean? He gets back on the boat. I don't know. He gets back on the boat. Oh, okay. Don't you remember he'd get back on the boat? How's he gonna crash into the wall if he's not on the boat?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's true, but I thought the boat tipped over. Why did I think the boat tipped over?
SPEAKER_01:No, they just threw him out of the boat somehow. They pushed that they pushed the throw you off of the boat button. Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Give him one big wave.
SPEAKER_01:And then he says it. Is that the best you can do? You'll have to kill me! More wind! Oh, they do capsize the boat. Well, how does he get there? Okay, that's why he thought. And then he drinks, then he does drown. And then he's alive. And it's right side up. Let me tell you something about turning over a boat. No. That boat? No. No one human being is ever gonna turn over a boat like that, as far as I know.
SPEAKER_02:So we used to do uh jet skis, wave runners. Do you remember those? And when you when you capsize one of those, it's hard to get it turned back over. Like, and that's very small compared to a boat.
SPEAKER_01:A boat. A boat that's all wet and all filled with water and all fucked up. It's tough. It's tough, man. He's he he does it, he raises the sail, and and they we got a shot of him. He's at peace. I'm at peace. I've reached peace. What the fuck are you talking about? God, God is trying to kill you. But trying, like very hard. He hits the wall, pokes a hole in the wall, touches the wall, uh, gets out, cries, sees some stairs, goes up there, there's a door, and here comes Kristoff, the voice of God.
SPEAKER_00:Voice of God.
SPEAKER_01:I am the creator of the TV show. You're the star. You were real. Stay in the bubble world, and you will be safe, and I will protect you.
SPEAKER_02:He can't stay in it now. Like, it's just not possible. There is no scenario where he turns back around.
SPEAKER_01:Because that's insane. Like, what? He's gonna forget all that's happened? Like, I'm in a TV show and you're the director. I'm just gonna go back to what I'm doing.
SPEAKER_02:Nobody he knows is real. He can't go back to that. That's just not possible.
SPEAKER_01:Everything in his existence is a lie. But now we get my favorite part of the movie. What is what does Ed Harris, who's watching this all on a screen, do? Fucking fondles the screen. Oh yeah, he touches it real. My creation! Stop! Stop! I mean, that's the thing, is if Kristoff actually did you feel at any point that he was his creation?
SPEAKER_02:Just uh there was like a brief moment where he's watching him sleep, and he kind of goes up and touches the screen, and I was like, okay. Feels more like you're in love with him, but I, you know, I get it.
SPEAKER_01:Uh he turns around and he does the stupid line, good afternoon, good evening, and good night. And then he bows. How does he know his own catchphrase?
SPEAKER_02:Okay. That seems a little weird.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, he does it three times in the movie. He does it like the first one we meet him, that's sort of in the middle. And then when he fakes it. Oh, so he does it once at the beginning, once when he fakes it, and then this is the third time, I think, then, right? Yes. Yeah. I don't get it. I don't get why he would say that when he walks out the door. That doesn't seem like his character.
SPEAKER_02:No, he wouldn't. It's weird. Other than that's, you know, it's it ties all three segments of his life there together, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Everyone cheers, and then they all turn it off because they never fucking gave a shit about anything. Yeah, because now it's over and it's like, all right, cool.
SPEAKER_02:Whatever.
SPEAKER_01:Let's watch Pokemon. Who the fuck cares? Not me. Not me. And that is how you thoroughly shellack a movie. You shellack it.
SPEAKER_02:Shellack it up, my friends. You're gonna love it. Anything else you want to talk about, Tony? No, no, not no. No, no, not no. I am all good. Tony, talk to us about something you like this week. Um, I don't really have anything. It's been a it's been a hell of a week. It's been a dark week for Tony and his family. It's been a tough week, but uh, we're still watching Love Island, Australia, and that's a real treat. Uh that's reality TV is the only thing that gets us through nowadays. So it was great. Did you watch The Stranger Things or you're holding out? No. So we uh we're only through season two on Stranger Things because we're doing a rewatch, and we are supposed to watch season three this week, but now I'm in New York, so I don't know. I'm getting nervous that it's gonna get spoiled. We've we've stayed away from spoilers so far, which is pretty impressive given that it's been out for like almost two weeks.
SPEAKER_01:There's only one thing to spoil on it. Okay, well, don't spoil it. What it is. Um, okay. Uh we've been watching lots of great stuff. I saw something, and this person was like, maybe one thing in the past five years on television that was good. I'm like, I have a bunch of stuff. I know. I said that to my wife. She's like, there's so many things.
SPEAKER_02:Right. This is like the best era of TV we've ever had.
unknown:I know.
SPEAKER_02:Who would say that? It's not right.
SPEAKER_01:We just have the whiniest people in the world. We have Well, you're right about that. We have so many people that just like live that live like the Truman show, that live in this weird past bubble that they don't they do not want to leave their dumb bubble. It's like leave your um get out here. Yeah, what was there's one thing. So someone said that the new aliens won. He's like, baby, beep beep. There was something else that was objectively good, and he was all like, well, that would not good. Like, what is what's what the You're not gonna win with a person like that, we've been watching documentaries. We watched the P Diddy documentary, uh, which which uh displaced the goddamn stranger things. It is number one. Stranger Things is number two. And that tells me that's pretty wild. That tells you the power of documentary. The craziest thing about the P. Diddy documentary. And I'll talk about what I was gonna talk about.
SPEAKER_00:Sure.
SPEAKER_01:Uh Fitty Sant, he produced it. He hates Puff Daddy.
SPEAKER_02:That sounds about right.
SPEAKER_01:Somehow they have footage of like the last week of Puff Daddy before he went into jail. Like him talking in the hotel room. And I I think some of it's like because he definitely like called witnesses and tried to get them to change testimony and all sorts of weird things like that. And you're just like, how are you filming this? And how does someone who doesn't like you get this? It's like the bookend on the whole documentary. It's so incendiary. Jesus. We also watched a documentary about Yacht Rock. Yacht Rock, wow. Which our boy Jay Leigh always used to talk about.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, he sure did.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so uh very entertaining. Was that good? Oh just incredible. Um, do you know who Christopher Cross is? I think it's Christopher Cross.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, I think so.
SPEAKER_01:He wrote some of these songs, and there's one of them that you know the song, and he's like, Yeah, I wrote this song while I was on acid driving from someplace to someplace. And this was after he already had a huge hit, and you're just like, wow, did not see that dropping acid and doing this thing coming coming at you. Uh Michael McDonald is the other big guy in there. Yeah. And he's great. He's he is super cool. You're just like, oh my god. I never I don't really care for that music. I sing along with it. But after this, I'm like, oh yeah, Michael McDonald, you're my guy, you're the greatest.
SPEAKER_02:You're so rare. You're a rad dude. Hook line and sinker. That's a yacht joke right there. Oh, that's uh that's a fishing joke. Well, yachts, boats, anchors. People on yachts don't do a lot of fishing.
SPEAKER_01:They don't do a lot of fishing. Um, they they do a lot of uh exploiting of the the poor. That's what people on yachts.
SPEAKER_02:I should be on yachts. That sounds lovely.
SPEAKER_01:Uh Tony. It's that time again where one of us picks a movie, and I'm gonna let you pick the movie this time.
SPEAKER_02:That's so sweet of you, even though we just take turns, so you're not really doing anything nice to me.
SPEAKER_01:I think it's nice of me. I think it's very nice of me.
SPEAKER_02:I'm a I'm a nice guy. It's my show, so I could I could tell who wants to do what. So we're gonna do something a little different this week, Dan. We're not watching Love Island. First of all, we should watch Love Island because I think you'd have a lot to say about it. This movie, Dan, has a 92% critic score and a 72% audience. How old is it? When is this movie from? It is brand new.
SPEAKER_01:It is from 2025. Okay, so so it is so a 72 audience could be like a 52 or a 42 audience.
SPEAKER_02:Could be. I just don't believe that this movie's any good. Oh, okay. I know that we usually go for big tent polls, but we're not doing that. We're doing a Christmas movie, and of course, it's called a very Jonas Christmas movie, and it's the Christmas movie made by the Jonas brothers. People are loving this movie, and there's no way it's good, dude. But you like but you love shitty Hallmark Christmas movies. I do. So I think I'm gonna have fun, but I don't think they're good. Oh, okay. Let's not confuse the where I watch things and think they're good. Those are two very different things.
SPEAKER_01:I've only ever watched, I've only ever watched one Hallmark Christmas movie. Well, you're missing out. And it was like this, and the the it was incredible because the whole I probably mentioned this before, the whole crux was she had to figure out a way to convince the new in-laws. The way that she convinced them that she was acceptable was by using her powers of sewing. I mean, that's the one. So she had to like like, you know, when you get into the the end of the second act, into the third act, she has to do things with sewing to prove her work.
SPEAKER_02:I gotta sew up your jeans here. That's great.
SPEAKER_01:It was like that. It was it was like that. She was she was solving problems with sewing and impressing the in-laws so that their relationship was gonna work.
SPEAKER_00:Beautiful.
SPEAKER_01:It's through the magic of Christmas and sewing. So Christmas sew. I love it. That's that's pretty cool. I'm hoping this is the same thing where the Jonas brothers through the power of songs solved the problem. I don't think they're gonna go sewing with the Jonas Brothers.
SPEAKER_02:You never know, though. You never know. Uh there's a chance this movie's really good. I I don't know, Dan, but I don't believe the critics said 92%. 92. Well, to be fair, it only has 12 critic reviews. And they were all paid for by the Jonas Brothers. Okay. I would hope so. I mean, if you if you paid all 12 and one of them didn't like it, that's not a great sign. But um, yeah, we'll see. I'm excited. I was gonna watch it either way. Where where would you see such a I think it's Netflix? Oh, it's Netflix.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so it's on a let me double check. It's on one of the real streaming platforms.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, yeah, it's on a streaming platform. Hulu.
SPEAKER_01:I like and what do you have to say about Netflix buying Warner Brothers?
SPEAKER_02:I mean, oh boy. Oh boy, Dan. This we're in some dangerous territory here. Um HBO Max is like my favorite one, and they're gonna we're gonna mess that up big time. Uh, I don't know. I don't this and so who bought the other one? There's there was like two big ones that like bought stuff. I don't, everyone's going crazy. I don't like it, but it might help us save a little money, you know. Help who? You either I don't need five streaming services because now they're all owned by the same people. That would be nice. Yeah, I don't know. Seems seems like dangerous territory. That's all I'll say.
SPEAKER_01:That's what Tony's saying.
SPEAKER_02:Well, we'll see what's in the year if it happens. Do movies even are even movies gonna be made for movie theaters anymore? Like, who is still making movies for the movie theater? The question is, did you go see the running man in the movie theater? Why would you call me out? Why would you call me out and embarrass me in front of my people? Uh no, but here's my defense. We did go to the theater with the idea of seeing the running man and then it wasn't playing.
SPEAKER_01:So I've got to tell you something, Tony. All that stuff's on your phone and online, like where things play.
SPEAKER_02:So we were out doing Pokemon Go community day, and we were like, oh, let's go, let's go see Running Man tonight after we're done playing Pokemon Go. We got done playing Pokemon Go at 4:30 p.m. and the last showing of Running Man was at 4. And I was like, it's Saturday, it's Saturday night. Why would the last showing be at 4? And it's because Wicked came out. Oh, yeah. So Wicked has all of the theaters. And I was like, oh man, I really let my boy Glenn down. Did you go see Wicked? But good news is my sister went and saw it with her husband. What did she say? My sister liked it. Okay. Which is rare because she doesn't like movies very much. Um, and then Adam, her husband, he enjoyed it thoroughly. So I do need to see it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I was talking to my buddy Mike about because he works in the movie industry, and it's like, sure. We're having these movies like that, and then I I started watching the caught stealing movie with uh Austin Butler and Zoe Kravitz. Oh, yeah, right. Yep. Uh from what's his name, the Arturo Director. And that movie made no money. Sure. And I started watching it, I'm like, this is a movie that is people sh people I think would like this movie. Sure. You know, and you're like, we live in very strange times.
SPEAKER_02:We do indeed. It's it's it's bad. It's it's bad out there.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so we'll be back next week talking about some Christmas movie stuff, which that's the right time.
SPEAKER_02:Very Jonas Christmas. You better believe it.
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