Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
Hate Watching I Know What You Did Last Summer (2025): Hook, Line, and Stinker
Thirty years in the making, the legacy sequel to "I Know What You Did Last Summer" promised to resurrect a beloved 90s horror franchise by bringing back Julie James and Ray Bronson. What we got instead was a bewildering reinvention that left us questioning everything we loved about the original.
In this deep-dive episode, we unpack how this sequel fundamentally misunderstands what made the 1997 film work. The original gave us morally complex characters who committed a genuine crime and suffered authentic trauma. This new iteration offers a flimsy premise where fleeing an accident scene (that wasn't even their fault) somehow warrants a murderous rampage. Without that solid foundation, the entire house of cards collapses.
The most egregious misstep comes with the killer reveal that completely rewrites a beloved character's personality and motivation. When a film betrays its own legacy this profoundly, it's not just disappointing – it's almost fascinating in its misguided execution. We examine how this character assassination undermines not just this film but retroactively damages the original.
Beyond the plot problems, we discuss the film's technical shortcomings: unmemorable kill scenes, underdeveloped characters, and wasted potential. The original film gave us iconic moments like Helen's mannequin escape and Julie's unforgettable bathroom scene. This sequel offers nothing that will linger in your nightmares – except perhaps the baffling script choices.
Is there anything to salvage? Surprisingly, yes. The soundtrack delivers some genuine bangers, Sarah Michelle Gellar's brief cameo gives a fleeting glimpse of what could have been, and the final scene between survivors actually shows promise – making everything that came before even more frustrating.
Join us for this therapy session as we process our disappointment, celebrate what works, and try to understand how a franchise with such potential could go so terribly wrong. Whether you're a die-hard fan of the original or curious about this new chapter, you'll want to hear our unfiltered take on this fishy sequel.
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Speaker 2:Dan, bad it was bad. It turns out that the harvest didn't come in, so the you-pick apples aren't ready. So we ended up coming back and we just went to Escapology at Universal Studios and did a Scooby-Doo escape room.
Speaker 1:Is that like the special shirt for it? No, I mean, this is the shirt, that special shirt for it.
Speaker 2:No well, actually, I mean, this is the shirt that I wore for it. I didn't feel like changing um. But what this is is um, matthew lillard's company was doing like a special last year near christmas, where you could put yourself into the scooby gang. So that's me, that's me right there in the Scooby gang, and then they send out like a comic book with you, with the gang. My mom got me that for Christmas last year. Oh my God, you shut your mouth.
Speaker 1:Such a child it's adorable.
Speaker 2:Well, you're not wrong about that. It's very exciting.
Speaker 1:People wonder why America's going down the toilet. Welcome to hey. What's Up with Dan and Tony? I'm Dan.
Speaker 2:I'm Tony. I'm Tony. I don't know what happened.
Speaker 1:This is the podcast that dares to talk about movies.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Each week we pick a movie, then we talk about the movie. This week it was Tony's turn to pick a movie. I picked it. He picked a whiz banger.
Speaker 2:A whiz banger, yeah, baby. Well, you know, I've been waiting for this for 30 years, this movie to come out. Basically, wow, um, this is a legacy sequel to one of my favorite horror franchises of all time. I know what you did last summer, aptly named I know what you did last summer Brings back our favorites Julie and Ray.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:And yeah, helen comes back, sort of. And then you know, in the graveyard you got all the nods to all the Ryan Phillippes and the Maxes of the world, which is nice.
Speaker 1:Did they do something in honor of those stupid characters?
Speaker 2:I don't know if you would call it in honor but they were in the graveyard asking those questions. And then she saw Max's grave, saw Helen's grave. I don't know why I'm forgetting Ryan Phillippe's name. No, ray is Freddy, but I don. I remember Ryan Phillippe's name, but he's in the graveyard. You know it's. It's nice. They're all buried within feet of each other.
Speaker 1:So that's so lovely. It makes perfect sense to me.
Speaker 2:That's how graveyards work right. Everyone you know is just right around you. I mean it can happen. I guess it can Well in Southport, obviously, there's not a lot of dead people, so it works out.
Speaker 1:Mostly burying chronological.
Speaker 2:Sure Sure, as you would expect, yeah that makes sense.
Speaker 1:How old is the cemetery? Well, just go to Gravestone 1 and check the date.
Speaker 2:That's where we started. Start at the beginning. You read left to right, it'll be fine.
Speaker 1:It's like a book. It helps genealogists and those kind of people figure it all out.
Speaker 2:Yes, genealogists, that's the study of genies. I believe Rubbing some lamps With the light brown hair.
Speaker 1:So this movie. Did you know that this was a continuation of the other movie?
Speaker 2:I did. I didn't know that it counted the sequel, which is interesting Because they just put in one little line and then, you know, brandy, spoiler alert, brandy comes back at the end, which I thought was hilarious. Tell me, you watched that.
Speaker 1:What are you talking about? Brandy comes back at the end.
Speaker 2:It's the post-credit scene. You watched it, right? No, why would there be a post credit scene? Because they bring back brandy. Come on, dan, I need you to focus, man. What did she? Oh?
Speaker 1:spoilers um what did just tell us? What did she do at the end?
Speaker 2:brandy is watching the news with her new husband, uh, because her boyfriend gets murdered in. I still know what you did last summer, if you remember that. She's watching the news and sees um julie on the news and like all these people are dead and it was ray and she's like man, people are always trying to kill that bitch. Uh, very funny. And then and then julie shows up at the house and it got weird and she's like I need your help and hands her a note and it's like it's another. I know what you did last summer note and brandy's like it's another. I know what you did last summer note and Brandy's like who are we fucking up this time? Which is a cool line, but I didn't understand. I didn't totally understand what's happening at that point.
Speaker 1:Well, they're setting up a sequel.
Speaker 2:They shouldn't make a sequel, we should let it die.
Speaker 1:I mean, it kind of sounds like Brandy got the only two good jokes in the whole movie.
Speaker 2:That and it sounds like Brandy got the only two good jokes in the whole movie. That is correct. Yeah, yeah, they brought Brandy back and Brandy was like I'm going to write my own lines, so you all just back off.
Speaker 1:They're like do these lines. She's like oh yeah, I'm going to do those lines. Then she's like I'm not doing your shit lines.
Speaker 2:I'm going to do my own lines. I'll write them. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1:Yep yeah because when they get about halfway through the movie and then they tell us that this is a sequel to the first one, I was like, oh okay, Maybe we'll make this interesting.
Speaker 2:Maybe it didn't really. It didn't really In fact. It just kind of ruins the first one, if I'm being honest with you in my opinion, but I'm excited to hear what you think about it.
Speaker 1:Oh, because Ray's the bad guy. So you were like it's just not.
Speaker 2:It just doesn't make sense with his character in the first two movies, like he's not he is not the guy that would flip. He's just not. That's just not who he is and like he's.
Speaker 1:I mean we watched that second one a while ago. I don't remember much of it, but he spent. He spent like the entire movie threatening people and stealing boats, and and and really just to save her doing superhuman things to save her and yes, that is correct you know spoilers? It turns out that he doesn't, he they? They scrubbed his history of the terrible thing that happened, and so now he's mad and he wants it to come back. That's, we'll talk about the girl killer.
Speaker 2:Sure Stevie.
Speaker 1:She gave her speech that explained why she was the bad guy and I was like I'm kind of getting some of this and I was like she delivered it, we'll was like she delivered it, we'll talk about this. She delivered it so badly I was like I can't watch it again. It was just like that is the thing you dream of is to do the villain speech To do your reveal speech, oh God yes, to do the reveal speech Please.
Speaker 1:For too long you have all done this to me. You know you're just like oh, it's gonna be great, you know oh you get to do the thing. The ultimate thing in a movie, right? What's gonna have lines and you're gonna be able to act. And you know you, I fooled you all, you're all, you're all idiots, you idiots, you dumb idiots. You get to do whatever you want, right? First of all, I think you need to do whatever you want right.
Speaker 2:First of all, I think you need to write a reveal speech that is just him calling people idiots the whole time that's actually very funny that's plan 9.
Speaker 1:From outer space in plan 9, the evil alien is like you are things that are all stupid, stupid, stupid. He just like he just goes off and and you know, that's the point at which you know bad movies are great movies. Amen to that, the villain does his thing.
Speaker 2:As opposed to this thing. Our villain didn't do their thing in this movie.
Speaker 1:I was like I knew this guy and I didn't know he was doing this thing. And then I you know, we'll talk. Yeah, okay, let's not do that.
Speaker 2:There's one part of that that just drove you insane.
Speaker 2:The music in this movie is not the worst. Au contraire, I liked it. I thought this was a banging soundtrack, which makes sense because the first one also, but the first one's like rock music, because it was the 90s, of course, and now it's like the poppy. I don't even know what we call this music today, but I liked it a lot. There's one song towards the end that's like talking about vampires and like I didn't know I was a vampire or something. I was like I gotta find this fucking song. I love this song.
Speaker 1:So that's my mission for today if they licensed a couple of real songs in addition to the songs they had, you would have been like, okay, let's get a real, real one for the title around it yeah, um, so, yeah, so they and they, they hit it really hard in the first half. They kind of lay off it in the second half.
Speaker 2:But the first half they're like well, because of all the tension, damn, you see, there's so much tension in the second half there's no time for songs oh yeah, so we we start out what happened.
Speaker 1:You get attacked by a cat.
Speaker 2:No, my cat jumped up on my table my piano back here and he knocked over a bunch of stuff and scared himself.
Speaker 1:Special guest. We start with a banger rock and roll song. We're flying over the ocean, we do titles, we do the coast.
Speaker 2:I didn't look this up. Do you think it's the same ocean? Is the first one, you think it's the same place? I really it looks the same. It's got this, a similar winding road. I hope it's the same location, because that'd be cool. That's how the first one starts, too is flying over the ocean I felt like this was the west coast, but I guess it's kind of looks west coast. He doesn't.
Speaker 1:I don't, I, I don't know, I don't know yeah, I don't know, uh, but I I thought't know, but I thought it was. And then the house that she gets dropped off at, I was like wow, that really looks like something in the valley.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I mean, you're right about that.
Speaker 1:It did not look like we're on the eastern seaboard.
Speaker 2:It does not look nor eastern yeah.
Speaker 1:And the girl's getting dropped off and, uh, the person dropping her off says welcome back home. I'm like okay I mean that's, that's nice that's good information, but it's kind of odd that this random voice is just like welcome back home. It's a brunette girl, her name is eva. She puts on a dress, she puts on other dresses. Um, she's still in love with milo, I guess. And I guess, milo's milo's gonna be this male character that is more, almost invisible that's a great way of putting it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was gonna. I was gonna say a bit of a wallflower, but only in terms of like act actor slash character. You know what I mean. Like he's. He's definitely an important part of the film, but you don't notice him much. He doesn't. He doesn't bring a lot to the table they don't give him this.
Speaker 1:This girl, eva, has a little bit of character he has. They don't give him any character. They're like, yeah, don't. At one point they say, oh, I gotta get back to my important political career or something yeah, well, he, someone says you you gotta get back to it.
Speaker 1:But yeah, yeah, he's apparently got a really important job, yeah somewhere what it is, yeah other than one dropped line we never boy, is he important you know, when the, when shit goes down, he doesn't say oh my god, if my political career, my political. He doesn't even say you know, that's, you know when the shit goes down. That's your point at which everyone's going to be like here's the exact reason why I can't be involved in this.
Speaker 2:And you, you know they, they gave you a line that's sort of set up that he has something going on yeah, and you think that that would come back in the sense that they're kind of being blackmailed for murdering someone a year ago. But he doesn't seem to care, it's fine, doesn't seem to affect him?
Speaker 1:nah, not at all. Uh, she smoked some old weed. She misses her dead mom. Okay, so she's going to a party for her best friend, danica, who's getting engaged to Teddy.
Speaker 2:Oof Teddy.
Speaker 1:She immediately sees Eva. Eva, a brunette girl fairly attractive, blonde girl pretty attractive. She immediately sees Eva. Oh, brunette girl fairly attractive, blonde girl pretty attractive.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know the blonde lady, but the brunette, Eva, is from the Studio. If you watched the Studio, oh, the Seth Rogen show.
Speaker 1:Oh, she got in that show, so good for her.
Speaker 2:She's great in that show. Okay, she's way better in that show than anyone is in this movie. A lot of that is the script, but she's got talent. She's good. I like her.
Speaker 1:Literally the last scene of this movie is the best scene of the movie, Because the two girls are actually acting and you're like oh wow, they've actually been through something and have a life that has occurred in the movie, and so there could be like oh, now we have personalities that we can react to things that actually didn't have personalities before, but now that we've been through this, we've got a little bit of personality.
Speaker 2:That's how trauma works, I think yeah, it's that, it's that thing.
Speaker 1:It's like, oh, we start in the middle of a scene and when you, you know, it's like we finally got into the middle of something and they're like, oh, we're characters now. We didn't start as characters, we had nothing going on for us, but now we're here.
Speaker 2:Well, that's the arc right.
Speaker 1:You know, usually you want to have a character arc, but instead we're just going to introduce the character at the end and that's the arc.
Speaker 2:That's the arc. She's like Danica's, like she isn't a Danica. No, no, I'm going to be honest with you. I felt like I knew everyone's name in the movie, but when you just said Danica, I was like I don't know who that is. I have no idea who this is.
Speaker 1:Maybe we should just call her the blonde. Because she doesn't see, you know, I mean, what's her name. The race car driver girl is Danica. It's the only Danica I think anyone knows. Danica, patrick, sure and she's dark haired, so automatically your brain is like going like you got to think about that.
Speaker 2:You got to be, you got to be brunette, otherwise it doesn't work.
Speaker 1:And Eva like Mendez and Longoria, they're all dark-haired you gotta give her a Buffy or Binky or something stupid. Binky Binky's.
Speaker 2:it Binky's the winner Dan.
Speaker 1:Dan goes to Eva. Go have sex with milo um 10 out of 10 for this movie of using people's names that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Like we watch movies and 99 of the time you're like can you name a single character? I'm like no, I cannot, I certainly can't this movie I can. I actually like good for them. They did something right, they did it right.
Speaker 1:They gave everybody names. They reinforced the names multiple times. You know who the characters are, great stuff. That's hard in.
Speaker 2:Hollywood. That is hard. If they could have done other stuff as good as they got names, this movie would have been really good.
Speaker 1:So Danica's like go have sex with Milo, Okay, Well. So Danica's like go have sex with Milo Okay, well, that doesn't actually happen, Almost happens.
Speaker 2:Well, in her defense Milo very dull, so I don't think I would want to do it either.
Speaker 1:Oh, I can't wait to get to that scene. Oh boy, they do a toast. Their best friends are getting married. Oh Teddy, why don't you give us the milo's? Just a dark-haired guy, whatever yeah, pretty generic. Yeah, kind of looks like what's his name on the drew carey show.
Speaker 2:Uh, not brian styles uh, yeah, yeah, why can't I think of his name? Oh boy, that's going to bother me. Hold on everybody, drew Carey Show. His name is, of course, dedrick Bader. Dedrick Bader, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1:Looks a little bit like him, Like slightly younger, more attractive.
Speaker 2:But then without personality, which is a huge, huge, negative. Dedrick great.
Speaker 2:Wonderful Talk to me about crypto teddy. Crypto teddy is a confusing character to me because, um, I feel like he's the ryan philippe of the group, right, if we're trying to like break it down, similar to character archetypes, but he's a jock, that's also a crypto bro. Is that how things are now? That's a real question. I don't know. I don't feel, because he's very dumb, like he seems very dumb, but, like crypto bros in general, as douchey as they are everybody, I do think that they are smart, because crypto is very confusing. No, they're dumb. Are they dumb? Yeah, how do you? Then? Why am I not rich? Because I'm very dumb and I'm very interested in crypto, but I don't understand how to do it.
Speaker 1:Oh, because they have like Wealthy dads or some such shit. Damn it dad. Now here's my question Whose house are they in?
Speaker 2:Oh, I have no idea which one, this first one that we're at right now. I have no idea, not a clue. It's beautiful though.
Speaker 1:We have Okay. So what about Teddy? Oh Teddy, he's Crypto Jock.
Speaker 2:Yeah, crypto Jock. Who can act oh?
Speaker 1:he can act?
Speaker 2:Do you think he can, because this is a real question that I have for you how do you feel about Teddy?
Speaker 1:He at least exists, you know, and that's true. He's a step above milo, that's true. And I mean, you know, so I, I don't know, he doesn't bother me that much, but I mean he doesn't go anywhere and he, you know, the of lines they give him are about crypto and they're really handed to him lines. They're not lines that would bubble up from this guy who's standing there in the movie. I don't go like, oh yeah, that's who this fucker is. I hate him. So here's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sorry, no go, no, no, go, go, go.
Speaker 1:You can't really decide if you hate these people, right, and that's what you have to. I don't know. Like I said, I haven't seen the very first one. I'm assuming.
Speaker 2:I can't believe it.
Speaker 1:I'm assuming Ryan Phillippe and Helen Chivers' characters. You don't like them. They're really dickish.
Speaker 2:You, you don't like them. They're really dickish. You don't like Ryan Phillippe Okay, he is not a good guy. You have empathy. Slash sympathy for Helen because she is not a good person, yeah, but what happens is this bad guy tortures her beauty, essentially cuts her hair. She's very shallow, right, oh wow. But he cuts her hair while she's sleeping and she has like a breakdown and like you feel bad for this girl because she's not necessarily a bad person, but she's super vain and she's not likable. But at the same time you're like oh, I mean, you're just a victim of your circumstance a little bit. And then she's a like she gets in her tussle with the bad guy and she almost escapes. There's a parade going on and she's in an alley and she's running and he gets her at the last second and murders her, like five feet away from safety, and it's like oh no, it's amazing, it's wonderful, but correct, you have feelings for these four main people and I don't have that at one way or the other.
Speaker 1:Don't have it at all in this movie yeah, and we'll get to the point where we go like in some ways that's engineered, it's. You know they're like we can't make him look bad.
Speaker 2:You're like you gotta make him look bad you gotta like and he would because he's an asshole, right like he walks out on the engagement a week or a month or whatever they said before the way, like he's not a likable guy. So let me see that.
Speaker 1:Let me, I need to see that if he's a crypto bro, make him a crypto bro, make him a piece of shit and we're gonna we're gonna be like he's being killed, hooray 100% Yep.
Speaker 2:Instead, they give him the scream moment, which is his parents are within shouting distance and he gets murdered on the sidewalk, Right, but I don't care. And here's what's wild. Right, Scream opens their first movie with Drew Barrymore and you fucking care? This is the first five minutes of meeting anyone in this movie and you're like I can't believe this is happening. I cannot believe this is happening. This is horrible. And this movie. I've been with this guy for like an hour and he's crawling and his mom's in the window and he's getting gutted and I'm like I don't't care, let's move on, guys, let's move on.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's, that's bad, that's bad oh my god, um, okay, uh, we do a toast milo. We sort of set up it's fourth of july. There's not. There's no fourth of july. Noise is going on anywhere.
Speaker 2:None at all.
Speaker 1:Okay, weird 4th of July, here we go. We're going to go on a drive. We're going to go to the best place to watch the fireworks and here comes Stevie and her dirty friend. We learned that Stevie used to be Sorry. Yeah, I thought the dirty friend was going to come with him and I was like, oh, cool, but that'd be fun. They didn't, so stevie was like their old friend and then her dad did something and she had to go to rehab or something. It's like, yeah, really murky. And they're like, oh, but stevie used to be our friend, but stevie's working for the guy doing the drinks. But they're like, ste, stevie, come with us. She's like I'm working and then she's like, okay, I'll go anyways. So here we go. We're driving down the road crazy road. It seems like they hit something, but I think the one person just scared him into thinking they hit something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, teddy was doing a joke. He was like look out him into thinking they hit something. Yeah, teddy was doing a joke. He was like look out, it's kind of a callback to the first one which they're driving down and then they scream look out and they hit a person. So this is like a fake out, hey look out. Oh, there's nothing there, I was just messing. It's kind of dumb but like at the same time. It's kind of cute. You know what I mean. Got it.
Speaker 1:So they park with their car half in the road.
Speaker 2:This doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1:At like dead man's point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, on this curve that is blind. It's a blind curve from both directions. This would never happen. No one would ever do this.
Speaker 1:Teddy's like this is like the best place in the world to watch the fireworks. You're like who's shooting off fireworks where the best place to watch them is dead man's curve? Okay, that doesn't make any sense. And teddy's like I could just stand in the middle of the road because everyone's gonna stop. Uh, dead man's curve what right.
Speaker 2:Why would they stop there's? They literally say there's tons of accidents in this corner like that's. This doesn't make any sense yeah, so I.
Speaker 1:So I think there's one car comes, milo saves Teddy. Then a second car comes. It swerves, an expensive car. So I'm like, well, how is this going to work? How's a fisherman driving this more expensive car? I don't understand. Car goes over the edge, they rush to try to save the person in the car. Teddy's like trying to go in the window. Milo is over there smoking a doobie, kind of trying to go the.
Speaker 1:The girls are holding the truck down yeah the guy punches out the window, grabs his jacket, grabs teddy's jacket and, as it goes over the side, takes Teddy's jacket with him. So we're like, oh, crucial piece of evidence that they're going to have to deal with in this movie.
Speaker 2:Nope, nope. That would be cool, though, because there's also a moment in the first one where the bad guy breaks in and steals Ryan Phillippe's jacket, and that's a moment where he's like where the fuck is my jacket, where's my jacket? And yeah, so anyhow.
Speaker 1:That's a callback. That doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 2:It doesn't mean anything because it should come back. I would love to see the jacket again.
Speaker 1:You think that?
Speaker 2:jacket would mean something.
Speaker 1:They'd have to cover it up or hide it or do something. Nope, nope. So boom, everyone's freaking out. Stevie's Teddy's like chill out. Stevie's first line is you're all rich, you can afford lawyers. Now stevie's gonna be our bad guy. Does stevie know that that's her boyfriend who just went over?
Speaker 2:no, she says in her speech later that she didn't know until he washed up on shore, or something which I'm a little confused about, because like whose car?
Speaker 1:because he's in. Oh, I guess the car is because he's in the pastor's car. He borrowed the pastor's car. Okay so she doesn't know that it's her boyfriend.
Speaker 1:Okay, that makes more sense then. Okay, so basically, they're all like let's get out of here. And they call the police and the paramedics, who literally pass them 30 seconds after they leave. Yeah, literally 30 seconds. So this is like a cliff and they're all like we should climb down there and save them. Okay, so what has happened is they've left the scene of a crime. Okay, that's, that'll get you in trouble yeah, not, not jail trouble, but yeah one person says this is manslaughter thank you it is not what we need to talk about.
Speaker 2:This is not manslaughter, not even a little bit right like so. This is frustrating because in the first one, this is a very similar situation to the first one, where they're like this is manslaughter, but in the first one it is because they literally run over a human and kill him.
Speaker 1:Well, they carry him around in their car. Wait, they carry him around in their car too, right?
Speaker 2:Well, they end up bringing him down to the ocean and tossing him into the ocean, yeah, yeah. And then it turns out he's alive and he grabs on from the ocean. They have to dive in for a crown. It's great stuff. So wait a second, hold on.
Speaker 1:They hit a guy while drunk, then they put him in their car to dispose of the body.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, yeah, so that's terrible. That's terrible. What they do in the first one is bad. They do a bad thing in the first one this one, honestly not that they tried to help and they couldn't, which is very sad, but he was just in the road, that's not murder.
Speaker 1:No, you're a pedestrian, I don't know. There's like I think there's like, uh, you know something to homicide and I'm sorry, but the dad owns this town, they're gonna get all the kids off very easily. The kids are gonna get it. Yeah, there's fine. What was the one? There was this one where in real life, where this kid hit another kid on the road and the kid never went to jail Nothing happened to the rich kid.
Speaker 2:See, and that's bad.
Speaker 1:No, and they think he might have hit him intentionally, I think, if I remember correctly. Whatever, it's horrible, the whole thing is horrible.
Speaker 2:This is like that is bad.
Speaker 1:This is the crime.
Speaker 2:This is like that has been. This is the crime. This is like the most accident of all accidents.
Speaker 1:It's an accident.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like it's bad, it's unfortunate, it sucks, but like it's not manslaughter. I don't know who said that, but they're wrong, it's not that. So it's very weird. It's very, very weird. It's a weird start to the movie, also super weird because when you find out that stevie's the killer, like she went along with this, right, she, like it was partially her idea, because she's like you guys have lawyers, I can't get caught, we gotta get the fuck out of here and then. But then she's mad just because who it was? Like no, nope, doesn't make sense. So the whole reveal of the killers both killers makes zero sense, ruins the entire movie and was the guy even her boyfriend.
Speaker 2:I doesn't feel like boyfriend it's just a guy I don't know like church yeah, she's got like a group of friends from church and then one of them died. Sad, very sad no big loss it's just church.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, it didn't have any family. He didn't mean anything to anybody, as far as we know yeah, it doesn't seem to no okay. So we're just like okay, we got nothing going on.
Speaker 2:Flimsy setup.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a flimsy, flimsy setup, that's for sure uh, they passed the police, the dad's gonna take care of it. This is like one of my favorite lines Okay, nobody's going to talk about this, and now we're going to part ways. I believe Teddy says that we're going to part. You're just like what, what do you mean? We're going to part ways.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's weird. They should do like a little one, two, three break and then I'll go their separate ways.
Speaker 1:One year later, Eva is getting sexed up In the bathroom by a Hot lesbian who's hotter than any Of the girls in this movie.
Speaker 2:Sweet, sweet stuff. Love it. Good for her. You know you gotta move on. I don't know what it has To do with anything, what. There's no reason for it, but that's great. Good for you. Seems healthy the girls like for it.
Speaker 1:But that's great, good for you, seems healthy.
Speaker 2:Uh, the girl's like, like if she was using sex to cope with her trauma, right, maybe that would make a little more sense. But this is.
Speaker 2:She only has sex twice in this movie once with this young lady and then once with almost with milo she doesn't do it, I guess, but like all tries with milo, who is like her ex, so like it's not like she's using it to cope, it's not like a I I don't know, I don't understand it, other than the fact that they're like, let's put some lesbian sex in this movie, that'll really spice it up and we're the.
Speaker 1:and when she has almost has sex with milo, she says tie me up, choke me. Blah, blah, blah. We do this and we're like, oh OK, it's like a hint of what could be going on in this movie.
Speaker 2:Maybe she's got damage, but at the same time that's pretty cool. So you got to do what you got to do.
Speaker 1:None of these people are showing their trauma. They hinted trauma a couple of times or maybe they say I have bad dreams and I wake up sometimes, but then they don't even act. I wake up sometimes.
Speaker 2:Sometimes Not all the time.
Speaker 1:Give us some characters that have suffered trauma.
Speaker 2:These people have gone through. I mean again, though they didn't really. I think that's part of the problem right Like what they did, not that bad, not that big of a deal. Problem right like what they did, not that bad, not that big of a deal so they don't have a ton of trauma coming into it.
Speaker 1:You know, uh, so they. The girl needs a ride. They're going to the same place. Uh, it turns out that milo's picking him up. Milo's like who's this? I'm tyler. I'm a true crime podcast person. I'm like whoa, wait a second, here we go. This is going to be interesting nope, it wasn't, it's not we get to the bridal shower.
Speaker 2:We find out here's my biggest problem with it just for the record, do you remember halloween 2018, the remake of halloween, which is literally the entire basis of the movie is that people are doing a true crime podcast on Michael Myers, and that's what starts the chain of events. I was like it's the same, what are you going to do the same thing, but then the twist is they did nothing with it. So that is the difference between the two movies.
Speaker 1:Twist it up, just don't do anything.
Speaker 2:Just forget about it.
Speaker 1:They go to the bridal shower. It turns out that teddy's out wyatt is in. I was like, oh my god, look at teddy's, he's dyed his hair I did not realize that was a different guy initially.
Speaker 2:That's totally fair and I love that.
Speaker 1:That's very funny so okay, so she has a type, uh, and yeah, it turns out that stevie is now close with danica. Yeah, and we're like okay, and they both love mermaids for some reason, and we we talk about mermaids, I believe, twice in the movie, twice this is the one point. We talk about it. We talk about it as if we'd already talked about it before.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because we're all in on the joke. Are you not in on the joke, Tim? You don't know the mermaid story. I don't know. I don't know what it is. I missed it.
Speaker 1:They open presents. She opens a card and she's like, oh, but it has cash in it. We're like, oh great. Opens it up. I know what you did last summer boom nailed it. She freaks out, sends everybody out, and then they they go in the thing and they're like who sent this? And they're like, ah, it must have been teddy. Yeah, uh, we talk about the guy that got killed. His name was sam cooper. He had no family no family.
Speaker 2:Just just in case you thought we were going to rehash the plot from the first one, where it's the dad of the person who gets hit. Guess what?
Speaker 1:we're not and I'm sorry, but if he was a big part of the church, that he was supposedly in this thing, that would have been in the paper. People would. People would know that it's a small community. It would have all come out who the kid?
Speaker 2:was. It's not a secret church, it's not a hidden church, it's just a church.
Speaker 1:And the church would not have kept it secret that he was one of their parish parishioners?
Speaker 2:No, because that doesn't make any sense. Doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1:What if someone saw who knows? They're like okay, we're gonna go see teddy and they're gonna go see teddy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, uh, they're gonna see teddy teddy.
Speaker 1:Oh teddy gets a joke. They go to see teddy, they walk in and he comes out of the back. He's, you know, been drinking. Uh, never drinks again. After this scene in the movie.
Speaker 2:Well, right, because then we find out that her new fiance is an alcoholic. So then they're like okay, well, teddy's got to be different, so he can't drink as much. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, those are words you could say. He's like, he says visiting hours are over, like okay, that's kind of a joke, oh, it's kind of.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's kind of a joke. Yeah uh, I wouldn't say joke, but you know it's something yeah, it's cheeky.
Speaker 1:So they confront him with the letter blah, blah, blah. He not me, he says it's a Danica problem.
Speaker 2:Yeah, great.
Speaker 1:Boom, we're back at the house. They're at this big house that Eva and Teddy share Danica's cleaning up. We got one jump scare. This is the one jump scare in the whole movie.
Speaker 2:What is it?
Speaker 1:We got a Wyatt jump scare. I guess Wyatt comes jump scare in the whole movie. What is it? We got a Wyatt jump scare. I guess Wyatt comes out on Danica and I jumped.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, and I jumped, oh boy.
Speaker 1:Maybe they just sent that one for me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is a Dan Goodsell jump. I'm sure it happened. I believe you.
Speaker 1:So, danica, after picking up all the bottles to take a bath now, does she put the red bath bomb in there?
Speaker 2:is that what?
Speaker 1:happens. Oh, I thought, I thought it was turning red and she was getting into a red bath and I was like why is she getting into a red bath?
Speaker 2:yeah, that would have been interesting. No, she just puts a. I don't know why they chose red. Maybe it's symbolic, I guess I don't know. Yeah, it's just a bath bomb which I've never actually watched go off before, and it was pretty cool. Bath bombs are kind of cool. Fancy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:I don't fit in bathtubs. Is the problem, dan? I haven't taken a bath since I was a child. Bath bomb's not really a thing.
Speaker 1:the last time I took a bath, we had a giant bathtub out on the side of the road a couple days ago.
Speaker 2:Why didn't you text it to me? I wouldn't pick that up, it was big, it wasn't like a normal bathtub.
Speaker 1:It was like this one. It looked like this one Could have been the one from this movie.
Speaker 2:Could have been this one Just getting rid of the props. We don't need them.
Speaker 1:Danica's in there Listen to headphones. Wyatt's downstairs like hardcore drinking from a bottle. Pool light goes on, Pool light goes off. He's like what's happening? What's happening? Speared, Speared, again Hooked.
Speaker 2:I don't hate the spear gun. It was in the trailer so I knew this one was coming, which is a bummer, because it's my favorite death. So I wish they would have done a different death or thought of better deaths later. One of the two, but this is my favorite death of the movie.
Speaker 1:It's the only one where they actually spend any time on it.
Speaker 2:Correct. Yeah, Interestingly enough a character we have met 30 seconds ago. Great stuff, guys.
Speaker 1:I think somebody says you can't, oh, so they kill him. Oh, this was kind of nice. She comes down the bath is over.
Speaker 2:This is kind of nice.
Speaker 1:Well, it's nice because the wedding music is playing. Yes, and she's all like Wyatt Wyatt.
Speaker 2:She seems too concerned from hearing the wedding march, considering they're getting married. Well, she's excited first, and then she gets worried yeah, and I, I just I was like, well, why are you getting worried? Like it's? It still seems like a surprise to me. It doesn't matter it's, this is a very this is a very minutiae note. I just felt like the the turn happened too soon down the hallway to make sense yeah, and I mean they don't even really give us much of a her reaction.
Speaker 2:Even do they no nope I wouldn't worry about that part, it's fine. She just finds his dead body hung up in the living room, it's fine and what does it say on the wall? Something about you can't. You can't change the past or run or something erase you can't erase the past race. That's what it is. Yeah, yeah, oh, I just got that because freddy is the killer and he's mad that they're erasing his past. There it is. Wow, great, great note guys Love that, yeah, so that's actually interesting.
Speaker 1:That's a viable clue towards figuring out who's doing the killing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I did not figure it out at that point. I do figure it out just a little bit later, but that's all right.
Speaker 1:We're at the police station, danica's like I couldn't hear him because she had her headphones on. Shouldn't have said uh. And she's like am I a widow now? Okay, that's kind of cute. And then man, then eva's like a hot widow and I'm like no, no that was wrong.
Speaker 2:That's not what you would say. It started it nice, but then, nope, just just turned it into asinine, just gobbledygook that is.
Speaker 1:That is not the joke. You're gonna make no to your friend who just you know she is she should be zonked. Just saw her dead fiance, no big deal uh, teddy comes in with, uh, with dad grant, and she's all like take me home um country roads and this is is the point at which we ask the big question who is investigating any of this?
Speaker 2:Well, it feels like nobody Does that help.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, you've got to write in a parallel thing with the detective that asks her Sure, you have to put her through the. She has to answer you can't erase the past like, yeah, what the fuck?
Speaker 2:what pass? What are we talking about? What's going on, lady? Tell me about something that happened to your past that you're trying to erase that's the most grisly murder in the world and there there are no questions.
Speaker 1:I mean, I understand grant and teddy are gonna help her, but kind of not also.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, no, I get that. I would you know. Killers say weird things, you know, just like children, they say the darndest things. So it's fine.
Speaker 1:Helter, skelter baby. So they're just like you go. She gets home, she's numb. Eva is happy I don't know why. Eva's happy. Stevie oh, eva's happy that Stevie's been there for her. And then we sort of talk about how none of us are doing well and having nightmares and how fucked up this is, and we talk about karma. Is this karma for what we did? Well, you didn't actually do something. It's for what you didn't do.
Speaker 2:Right. You didn't stay and answer questions about this person that drove off the road. You're not going to save their life, so really, all you did was leave the crime, that's it. You left the scene of the accident and that's all you did.
Speaker 1:So the Scooby gang all gets together and they're like, what are we going to do? And then this is the point at which Milo starts pointing the finger at the Murder Girl podcast. And I'm like, okay, here it is Milo's the bad guy, Because he's all like, you know, there's nothing going on there, so he must be the bad guy. They're not going to give him much to do, so we don't suspect him.
Speaker 2:He's going to point the finger in other directions and it's going to be milo. You and I had the same thought. You thought it was milo, I I. So at this point I was like, okay, milo's is a killer. And then I'll tell you. When I realized it was freddy as well.
Speaker 1:Oh wow, good, I never realized it was freddy I I I realized it was Freddy as well. Oh wow, good, I never realized it was Freddy.
Speaker 2:I never knew it was Stevie, because it doesn't make a lick of sense in my defense.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean well, was there any clues that it was Stevie, Other than Stevie inserting?
Speaker 2:herself in Eva's life? I don't think so. Yeah, but is that really a clue? They were friends and now they're friends again.
Speaker 1:But they made it that Stevie was inserting herself into her life.
Speaker 2:No, you're right.
Speaker 1:That's a thing, okay. So boom, boom, boom. They turn on the girl's podcast and we realize that she starts talking about the 1997 killings. And this is when I wrote I Think Milo Did it and we find out that the 1997 killings. And this is when I wrote I think Milo did it and we find out that the 1997 stuff all happened and then Grant, the dad, scrubbed it all.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, yeah um, which I guess is the point, we should have realized it was Ray because they erased the past, you know. Yeah, we should have realized it was Ray because they erased the past.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we should have known it because that's what I cared about. Nope, never once. I want to talk about the past some more.
Speaker 2:In fact, what's interesting is, in the old movies, he is always the one that's like we just need to move forward. We need to move forward. We need to forget about what happened and move forward. Nope, nope, the past, it's all about the past. Now, baby, I wrote Eva hooks up with Tyler.
Speaker 1:Okay, so Eva goes to see Tyler. Tyler's like we got to go to Bayside House. They go to Bayside House because that's where some stuff went down.
Speaker 2:I think, and if people are smarter than me and can tell me that I'm wrong, and if people are smarter than me can tell me that I'm wrong. I think this was Helen's sister's store in the first one, where Helen gets in her scuffle as well, because up top there are mannequins and there's a big mannequin thing in the first one it's brilliant and this is useless.
Speaker 1:Did we even hide in the mannequins this time?
Speaker 2:Nope, nope, you sure didn't, which is a real bummer, because that's like the one of my favorite scares of the first one.
Speaker 1:You gotta hide in the mannequins. That's you gotta hide in the mannequins, that's 101. So julie james lived here. Uh, tyler goes upstairs, eva's texting her peeps and here comes the fisherman. So a fisherman attacks. He's attacking eva, I think, right yeah, he sounds well.
Speaker 2:Attacking is a bit they see him up above. Yeah, he's just standing there. And then tyler's like who's that? What do you mean? It's the killer. You know who it is. You've been doing a podcast on the fisherman killer for two years. You know who it is yeah, um, eva's like tyler.
Speaker 1:Run this big metal fish cage, drops on tyler and locks her, or locked on eva and locks her in I'm a little confused.
Speaker 2:Yes, how heavy is this thing dan?
Speaker 1:it's metal. It's very heavy. She cannot move it.
Speaker 2:But together.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they don't try to do that.
Speaker 2:I understand that they don't try to do it. I'm saying that maybe they should have tried to do it. That would have been like my first attempt. You know what I mean. That makes sense. At least give me a line where they try and they're like it's too heavy, we can't lift it. Then I'll move on. But if two people see a cage fall and know that there's no bottom to the cage, the first thing is like let's try to tip it over. That would make some sense.
Speaker 1:nope, tyler runs, she doesn't care um no, she don't care and she goes up upstairs into the land of mannequins and she's like I'm a fan, I'm a fan, um. And then she pulls off the hat of the fisherman and she goes you, and that's what I'm like that's when I'm like it's milo oh interesting because she was in the car with milo that's.
Speaker 2:But she has much more of a recognition than just meeting this guy once in my head. So I was like, oh, this is, this is obviously ray oh, so you figured it out to be this is when I was like, oh no, I literally turned to my wife and I said oh no, they're making freddy the killer yes, this is when the movie was truly ruined for you.
Speaker 2:You could enjoy nothing else about the movie yeah, I was like there's because there's only, there's only three people, that four people that she knows in this movie. Right, milo is one of them. But I just don't feel like she'd have that reaction of like you, like she just met this guy, she doesn't know, but Ray or Julie would have to do it, and Julie's too. You know she's not in the best shape, she's not going to kill anybody. So I was like it's got to be sweet, sexy, ray Got to be.
Speaker 1:So you know it's Ray. At this point I'm assuming it's Milo and Ray kills her by like strangling her and throwing her out the window. Why does he kill her?
Speaker 2:I don't know why he kills several people.
Speaker 1:Doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2:Sure doesn't Other than you know. We just need cannon fodder.
Speaker 1:Isn't she the one bringing attention To the murder case?
Speaker 2:She, she is doing the opposite of what she is bringing the past to light, which is what he wants to happen. Yes, so cutting her short in that mission doesn't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 1:No, stupid yeah, hung out the window. Here come the police and the chief and Grant's like I, like, I'm gonna handle this and the police are in grant's pocket once again. Hold on a second. Yeah, even if, even if this dude is the biggest dude in the world, they're gonna bring them in which he is talk to them about what the fuck is going on.
Speaker 2:Nope, you don't need to talk to anybody. You see it, she had killed herself out a window. All good, open and shut case, as they say, except for she's got a hook hole in her because he stabbed her before he strangled her out the window. So you know okay.
Speaker 1:So they figure out that they got to keep solving the case. So they got to go find julie.
Speaker 2:Um, this is when they go connected to dead boy so while you're looking at that, I'm just gonna tell everybody what my theory was, because I thought it was milo from from earlier, and then I thought it was ray. So I thought that ray and milo were family. I thought this was was going to be Julie and Ray's son. Oh, and then Ray, and that's what I thought was happening. And then it was like a full circle moment where they tried to. You know one of those things where it's like oh, you killed one of our kids or something like that. You know, yeah, it wasn't. I was way off base.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we meet Julie. Julie finds out about it. What's her name? The? Uh. Eva goes there and uh talks to julie and julie's like, okay, come to my house. Uh, she's like, well, the killer's going to be connected to the dead boy. Figure out everything again about the dead boy. Yeah, um, and then when you figure it out, get them before they get you wild, wild advice that's.
Speaker 2:That's terrible advice to to tell a child not, not really.
Speaker 1:Talk to the police, talk to the fbi. Don't get help.
Speaker 2:what you're gonna want to do is you're gonna want to face off against this grown person and try to murder them before they murder you. That's foolproof. It works. You're right, it did work. So I guess you know I'm the asshole here. Julie was right the whole time.
Speaker 1:We have a town hall meeting and the town hall is like I don't even know what they're saying. I don't even remember what they said in the town hall.
Speaker 2:They basically say it's a suicide and all good. Suicide I don't even remember what they said in the town hall.
Speaker 1:They basically say it's a suicide Suicide. Yeah, that's what they said. I mean what?
Speaker 2:about Wyatt? Oh no, I wouldn't worry about Wyatt. What they said is they're two totally separate incidents, oh okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all good. And then the kids all stand up and they're like that's not true, it's a killer Things happen. You're just like wait a second. This is too out in the open. This whole movie is all too out in the open. Yep, and here comes old Ray, Old old man Ray. He, like you know, has his cane and his walker.
Speaker 2:He looks good.
Speaker 1:He does not look good With the scruff. His neck is all old.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we got turkey neck. There's nothing wrong with a little turkey neck.
Speaker 1:Is he older than me? No, he looked older than me. I looked youthful compared to him.
Speaker 2:He looks delicious. I'm just going to throw that out there right now. When was he born? Desiccated no compared to him, he looks delicious. I'm just gonna throw that out there right now.
Speaker 1:He was when was he born desiccated?
Speaker 2:no, he's only 49 he's only he's only nine years older than me.
Speaker 1:He's 11 years younger than me and he looks terrible. No, he looks good.
Speaker 2:He looks good. I loved it all right. He was very sexy in this for me ah, okay, so okay. The hairline. I understand it's definitely receded, which happens to the best of us, but he's still got it. The scruff looked real nice. He was in a Christmas movie a few years ago where he was clean shaven and it was like this doesn't really do it for me, but the scruff brings it back.
Speaker 1:Salt and pepper Tony's daddy issues. Scruff brings it back. Salt and pepper Tony's daddy issues. Somebody says this is not going to stop. And then we find out that, oh, there's a pastor. He comes up there and we're like who is this pastor?
Speaker 2:Creepy, pastor, yeah, creepy pastor.
Speaker 1:So there's a creepy pastor we're going to have to deal with, and then everybody's like see you at the festival. So this is like the Jaws moment, where you're like, oh, we can't ruin the festival Town stays open Yep.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Don't. Stevie confronts Ray Something I need to tell you. So she's telling him everything, or something.
Speaker 2:Ray, I am curious on what she is telling him because obviously they're the killers. So I'm just, I, I am curious of what she's saying uh, teddy's like we should just go to the bahamas great line I guess that wouldn't have worked out well, because even what's it? Stevie would have just killed him well stevie would have gone with it, but it's a nice joke because it's a callback to I still know what you did last summer. That's why freddie is like for reasons I won't get into that is a bad idea.
Speaker 1:Oh, I wonder about that line that's funny because they did that, they tried it and then a bunch of people died yeah great stuff um, they go. We have this really weird scene where they have to go to this weird guy to get the car registration information and he's just weird. And then she has to she fake cries and then he's all like well, I'll just give you the information anyway. And it turns out that the car was owned by Judah Gillespie, which do we instantly know that that's the pastor, or do we have?
Speaker 2:to figure that out. No, I didn't.
Speaker 1:They kind of say it at some point later I think, but yeah I don't know, uh, the other team, so this was team milo and even that did this. The other team, which is teddy and danica. They go to the graveyard, um, and they see some flowers on on the dead guy grave and they ask the grave digger if they can go check the cameras. He goes and checks the cameras and they stand out there in the cold for two to three hours.
Speaker 2:At least because it goes from late afternoon to the dark of night. And then it's funny because he goes and gets murdered, which takes 10, 15 minutes something like that yes. So what's happened? And then we cut back to them and he's like we should just go. He's not coming back. It's like, how long have you been waiting? Of course he's not coming back. Go check on him. Why would you not follow him? Doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1:Why wouldn't you follow him and wait outside the room that he's in?
Speaker 2:I don't know, or try to get in the room so you can watch the tapes, because that's the only way to know for sure.
Speaker 1:Instead, you wait by the graveside and then try and mooch beers off the random people that are drinking beers in the cemetery.
Speaker 2:Why is that there? I feel like that was improvised.
Speaker 1:I don't know if that's true. I feel like that was improvised. I don't know if that's true. I feel like that was probably just like a little improvised that he did right there. It was weird, it was real weird, yeah. So he gets killed, the cameras get destroyed. Uh, teddy goes to check danica's alone. Uh, she runs away. She gets attacked. She runs away, hides in the tool shed, parade room, doesn't have a cell phone, sees a wall phone. She's on the ground while he walks around. He hooks through the float and Teddy comes in there and rescues him. Yeah, does like a shoulder tackle.
Speaker 1:So this must have been Stevie doing this. This wasn't Ray.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you would have to think so, right, I guess so.
Speaker 1:And then they snuggle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, weirdly, where they were just attacked. You should probably get out of there Just throwing this out here. If you were just attacked in that position, maybe leave, maybe go somewhere else.
Speaker 1:Julie's at home. Julie's like the girl from Jennifer Love Hewitt and Ray shows up there and she's all like why did you tell Eva to kill the killer?
Speaker 2:And then they yell at each other Because I guess he's like protecting himself at that point. Is that what that is Like? Don't tell them to kill me. I'm me, I don't know, it's weird.
Speaker 1:I guess they just want to have a scene with the two of them together. I guess.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1:And he does a bunch of psycho mumbo jumbo. You know you've got to deal with your problems. Stop projecting. You're mixed up with the wrong people, like what?
Speaker 2:I have no idea like what?
Speaker 1:what? I have no idea, don't understand any of it. So now what we do is we, we're all back together, the four main characters, and we're all like, okay, nobody sleeps alone. That means milo go have sex with eva. Uh, teddy's gonna stay here and put the moves on.
Speaker 2:Uh, denica yeah, because it's not like her fiance was just murdered a few days ago in front of her. It's fine.
Speaker 1:She has needs.
Speaker 2:She's ready to get back out there.
Speaker 1:She's been off the market too long. It's been hours. She's ready to go.
Speaker 2:They say it's one minute per every year. You're together that you're allowed to grieve, right? So seven, eight minutes, boom, she's good to go. Wait, she was withatt for less than a year. Oh, that's a good point. So 30, 30, 45 seconds and she's set, she's ready to get back out there.
Speaker 1:she'd mingle. I think my wife cooked potatoes smells very good, oh yeah. So milo and eva are getting getting it on and I'm like like, oh, let's see how far sex can go in a movie. These days Not very far. Eva's like choke me, punish me, I deserve it. And then when she sees that this is actually a great line, when she sees that he's not into it, she's like maybe later.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean first of all, all good for her right like that's that's a good consensual relationship where she's like here's what I would like. If you're not into it, it's okay.
Speaker 1:She's not traumatized at all she's a good person, so stupid. Uh, he's like. He like freaks out. I need a minute he goes out of the house. What's happening? Gets in his car, checks his phone, gets his charger, gets out. Seems to be locked out of the house.
Speaker 2:Right, because this house has these crazy automatic doors, which is so weird, I don't understand. It's so weird and they just stop working at some point.
Speaker 1:He goes around to check on, tries to go back to her. I guess the window to her room, I guess, Right.
Speaker 2:But is it the wrong window?
Speaker 1:I don't know, because he gets back in the car and then he's going to drive away, but he doesn't. He gets choked out by the bad guy and I was like, well, there went my bad guy.
Speaker 2:I don't know what's happening now I am lost and I was like oh, yeah, at this point I was like, oh, maybe freddy's alone, I don't know. Hell, if I know, maybe it's not a combo killing like scream, but it is.
Speaker 1:Do they always have to do combo killings? Now, is that where so?
Speaker 2:they, I mean the first, the, og I know what you did last summer was not, it was no, no, no.
Speaker 1:But I mean that now, when you're trying to like revitalize things ever, ever since.
Speaker 2:Scream did it. Everyone does the pairs for some reason, and it's just. It was great at a time and now we've moved on Like we need. What's the next thing, guys? Let's not just keep doing the same thing over and over.
Speaker 1:So the girls go to see Pastor Judah.
Speaker 2:There's this weird girl Danica sneaks into the office Cleaning the window over and over the same window. What's happening with that girl in the back?
Speaker 1:I thought it was dirty girl from the earlier, but it wasn't dirty. Oh interesting, uh, weird judah shows up. He is that guy's weird that guy.
Speaker 2:He's super weird, really well, he's a 10 out of 10 on a creep scale. Yeah danica finds this weird book that I don't understand that's like, uh, it's like a book of memories or something maybe, of all the people that they had and then died. I don't know, dan, I didn't understand it.
Speaker 1:Pastor goes to his office, doesn't find her in the closet. Then they slip out and they go to the police and tell Grant that the bad guy is Judah because he has a book.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the Book of the.
Speaker 1:Dead. Teddy goes to the gym, in the sauna on the wall says you're next. Don't know how you pull that off.
Speaker 2:I mean, listen, it's another wonderful callback to the first one. The post credits of the first one, julie, is getting ready for the shower. Julie's getting ready for her shower. It's a great scene. She's so hot man.
Speaker 1:And then, when she comes back, who are you in love with? Jennifer Love Hewitt.
Speaker 2:Jennifer Love Hewitt. She's in college and she goes to take a shower, turns on the water, leaves and then comes back and then I Still Know is written on the mirror and then someone jumps out or not mirror the glass and then jumps out. So it's kind of like a callback to that, I believe.
Speaker 1:Got it. The girl's phones are both. One girl lost her phone and the other girl's phone is dead or something. Yeah, I don't know, lost her phone and the other girl's phone is dead, or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. Are people really this bad with phones? Everyone's phones are dead all the time in this movie. Listen, that's not how you handle cell phones. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:Stevie's freaking out. Ray says he's going to protect her. Okay, teddy's on his boat with lots of beers, there's this door, that goes. We've never seen this door before. We don't understand this door. I guess Teddy's on his boat and I guess his boat is on the dock that is right next to his parents' house. Is that what's?
Speaker 2:happening. No, that makes sense, yeah, yeah, like they have their own dock and he just lives kind of like a guest house. You know what I mean, like how people live in the garage. But this is a boat, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that makes sense. Bad guy attacks, he beats the shit out of the bad guy. But the bad guy has stabby and he only has his fists. He gets stabbed a bunch Crawls up the driveway to his dad. His dad comes out and he dies in his dad's arms and then the dad gets killed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so nice and sad. Nice and sad for the dad.
Speaker 1:By the dead bodies. And now we have Danica's dream. Tony, talk about Danica's dream.
Speaker 2:I don't understand why this is in the movie.
Speaker 1:It's so we could have Sarah Michelle Gellar in the movie.
Speaker 2:I understand that.
Speaker 2:But I just this is a huge mistake. This is the dumbest thing that you could have done. I did read that this was a late edition because they just wanted to get another cameo in there. Sure, and she's wonderful. Obviously she's's great. It's good to see her. But I don't understand what's happening, dan. I don't know why we're having a dream sequence. I don't know why it's helen in the dream sequence other than the both croaker queens, I guess kind of, but we don't really talk about the new girl, danica, being a croaker queen. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Sarah looks great. She's super hot. Oh yeah, she's by far the person who just brings gravitas when she appears.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Her and her husband both.
Speaker 1:They're both great. Who's her husband?
Speaker 2:Freddie Prince Jr Dan they're married. No.
Speaker 1:What do you mean? No, yes, she could marry anyone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and she chose the best of the best, freddie Prinze Jr. Well, I guess they met on the set of the first one.
Speaker 1:Oh well, that's cute. You've got to throw somebody a bone sometimes in life. She just has this weird dream and she's all like you're pretty, You're going to die, and she rots away. That pretty much sums it up.
Speaker 2:It's very weird. And she turns into a skeleton at some point or something. I don't know, dude.
Speaker 1:So the cops had had the two girls locked up. That was the point.
Speaker 2:That's why they couldn't use their phones. Yes, yes, one phone was dead.
Speaker 1:The other phone was in the car. Uh, the the dudes have been. Teddy and his dad have been hung from the sign of the, the town sign like jaws, just like jaws. Yep, it's like you know, did you ever watch dexter back in the day?
Speaker 2:yeah, of course, I feel like everybody watched x for a while you know they'd have these murders, and then you know the when.
Speaker 1:What's his name? The third rock from the sun guy was the bad guy and he was like he'd like arrange people in these, these scenes. You just be like, yeah, okay, yeah I don't think so.
Speaker 2:When? When would he have been able to do this? You know what I mean, you mean out in public In public. Yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1:I got to tell you something, tony. Tell me I get up early, the dog gets up early. Me and the dog go out. There's people on the streets.
Speaker 2:There's people driving. There's always people. There's people on the streets. There's people driving.
Speaker 1:There's always people. One time I went out last week there were two Amazon drivers delivering at 5 o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 2:Two 5 o'clock in the morning and you're just there arranging someone's head on a goalpost and you're just like oh morning, morning, raj.
Speaker 1:And then you just keep going about your business. This is 4th of July weekend in a beach resort town that is booming.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're gonna hang people from the side, like what, like what. That takes at least 20 to 30 minutes. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like it's not an easy, like it's gonna take some time and fred is I mean he's there's no way, you know how, picking up a body and putting it over your body, the most impossible things in the world to move.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's tough. It's tough. I've done my fair share. Tony's done it.
Speaker 1:So the police all respond to this. The girls are free.
Speaker 2:Uh, now we get this is my favorite part of the movie they find milo's car in the parking way, hold on, hold on before that happens. So the police are there at the scene, but there's also a huge crowd of people that are all like and they're all gaping out and the girls come up screaming and at this point, finally, the police are pulling a tarp across it like move along, move along.
Speaker 1:You're completely wrong, Tony. That is not what happens in this they literally bring up a metal scrim, a folding metal scrim. Hold on, I believe you can see through. That has small holes and it says police on it. So the police have an 8 foot tall folding metal screen that they can place in front of things they don't want people to see that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 2:What the fuck? It's incredible it's just crazy. Oh it's great. It's a 10 out of 10.
Speaker 1:I really loved it they find milo's car in the parking lot they go over there. There's his dead body, so I'm like he really is dead and yeah, he's so dead, tan, he's so dead and what? What happens? Eva takes a friendship bracelet off of his wrist after she says he's gonna be okay.
Speaker 2:Wait, what I don't know. She says she's literally. She opens the door and she's pulling him. She's like he's gonna be okay, he's gonna, really I miss that lady you got you gotta look at that body he's been dead for a while.
Speaker 1:It is very white, very disgusting. Why does she take this friendship bracelet?
Speaker 2:she's a klepto man. She just couldn't help herself. She's got to take praise. I have no idea. I have no idea.
Speaker 1:So Stevie, eva, danica, get on the boat. They're like we're boating out of here. Like, okay, yeah, we got to go. They're boating out of here. The police go to the church to arrest Judah. There's Judah, he's dead.
Speaker 2:So dead? Yeah, I wonder if they killed that, are his eyes gone? I couldn't tell, I don't know. It was weird.
Speaker 1:I was just like who took the time to go and kill him and for what reason?
Speaker 2:Just for fun, I think.
Speaker 1:I don't understand who took the time?
Speaker 2:Well, you can't erase the past. I don't understand who took the time. Well, you can't erase the past, so you got to kill the church guy.
Speaker 1:They look on the wall. There's a photo and there's like Terry Chief, look at this. There's a picture of Stevie.
Speaker 2:Just in the middle, wide open, in the middle of the room.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Everybody missed that the first couple of times. Actually, that happens later, I think.
Speaker 2:Whatever, it doesn't matter first couple times actually, that that happens later, I think, when whatever doesn't matter, uh, but yeah it's when they're discovering that it's stevie the boat.
Speaker 1:They're on the boat. Oh, I wrote act three. Here comes act three. They're on the boat. The boat stops. The anchor's been thing. Here comes the uh, the, the fisherman. She finally takes it off. We find out that the fisherman is Stevie, and then she explains that the guy that died was maybe her boyfriend and he had taken the truck and she didn't know it was him, and so she hates them because he died. But she says a lot more stuff that you don't understand.
Speaker 2:She does, but my problem is that she was complicit in all of it. So, like you can't blame the other people, you were there, you did it, you agreed with everything. You can't just then then go back and be like, well, you know what I'm mad at you, you're part of it, lady and her craziness is just like I'm crazy yeah, so. So she went full full scream on it and like does not have the chops to be to do who did they have?
Speaker 1:was it matthew lillard? And and what's his name, skeet?
Speaker 2:ulrich, unbelievable pair. These are two two guys that could play creepy weird and then timothy oliphant in the sequel 10 out of 10. He's great. Emma Roberts is in the fourth one, scott Foley is the third. All people that are unbelievable, great, great. They really know how to cast their movies. I'm not going to lie to you.
Speaker 1:These are true charismatic actors that can go from being a psychopath to being a normal or kind of a weird guy, because you know, matthew lillard is a weird.
Speaker 2:They're both kind of weird, their skeet olrick is very creepy, and then matthew lillard is like clearly deranged, but like when they hit that, that creep scale like holy shit, dude, shit, dude, it's perfect. Not like this, which is like a person that's like, okay, I'm just going to play crazy, right, I'm crazy.
Speaker 1:I'm crazy. Oh my God, it's not crazy. No, did you watch Alien Earth at all?
Speaker 2:Yeah, we are.
Speaker 1:We're one episode behind, but yes everyone except Timothy Olyphant in that show. I've never seen any of them Correct.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Not a lot of older people, but there's older people, a lot of young people, attractive people, not as attractive people. There's a wide range of people. It's a wide range of people. Everyone on that show is giving an Emmy Award winning performance, every single one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1:You're making this movie and you can afford people. The people are out there, the actors are out there. I don't believe the actors aren't out there and they can have no credits whatsoever that you and I have ever seen. How are you getting like? I mean, yeah, like you said, the Eva girl, she's okay, the Danica girl, she's okay. The boys are nothing, you know, it's like.
Speaker 2:Boys are bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, stevie's not great. Not great, she's attractive-ish. No, yeah sure, yeah, sure, sure, sure she's attractive to human beings.
Speaker 2:Not the weird tony who likes a, likes a really old neck. I don't know why you're so against the turkey neck. It happens to all of us, dan. Okay, it's gonna happen to me. Look at this nick 60 years old. My next is tight thousand times better than you know where's my switch sarah mich better than you know where's Sarah Michelle Gellar.
Speaker 1:You know, come over Check.
Speaker 2:She's in the kitchen. She's making you potatoes Come on.
Speaker 1:So they fight. Ray comes up on a little boat. Ray has a gun. Ray kills her, Shoots her off the boat and oh, what's her name? Danica got stabbed. She goes over too Two people over we're going to find out later. They both survived. Pretty wild stuff, Not a chance. Not a fucking chance. Not a fucking chance. Someone takes multiple bullets goes in the ocean. They're dead. Someone takes a big stabbing in the middle of their body.
Speaker 2:They're so dead, big stabbing, like there was a lot of noises that they put in.
Speaker 1:It's not good julie's at home she's like oh my god, I figured it out, let me get my car here, we are okay. So the killer is killed, danica is killed, they drive this. This is this happens, not in the movie. They drive the boat back to the thing and what do they do? Do they call the police? Nope, nope.
Speaker 2:They go to Ray's bar, which is where you would go to feel safe. Yep.
Speaker 1:Ray's bar. Have we spent any time in Ray's bar?
Speaker 2:I think that we were there earlier, very shortly, when Stevie and him were having a conversation Out in the back. Yes, yeah, see.
Speaker 1:Well, it turns out that Ray's the bad guy. He's the bad guy because Grant's dad covered up all the shit that happened before and he wants people to know what happened so that podcasters can come and interview him.
Speaker 2:And then get murdered by him before they can do the interview.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Let me tell you one thing.
Speaker 2:In the world we live in he would never stop.
Speaker 1:You can't scrub this from the internet?
Speaker 2:Oh no, Not at all.
Speaker 1:He would be getting calls to be interviewed every day of his life. All the internet? Oh no, Not at all. He would be getting calls to be interviewed every day of his life, all the time Forever.
Speaker 2:I would do a podcast, I would call him and be like hey, can we come talk to you about the time he almost got murdered? It's pretty cool, it's terrible, doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1:They fight or they kill Ray.
Speaker 2:Now here's one. Listen, I'm sure that there are people that can fight right, but she is overpowering him in some of these instances. Who is Ava? Ava catches his knife above her head and is holding it. His knife above her head and is holding it. I got to tell you if Freddie Prinze Jr is on top and not in a sexual way, which would be cool but he's on top of you with using his body weight to shove a dagger at you, you using your hands. It's not going to happen. You're not going to stop it. He's just good, she's little.
Speaker 1:I don't know how big he is. I don't know how much he weighs, but it's not nothing. He's over six feet.
Speaker 2:He's not a small guy, just body weight alone. I feel like it would just slowly slide into you. I don't know Whatever.
Speaker 1:And this is a horror movie. Cut her hands.
Speaker 2:Slash her hands. No, no, no Dan.
Speaker 1:She can't get hurt, okay. The greatest horror scene in all of moviedom is that fucking nail and that stupid ass movie about the monsters that listen to you oh, I thought you were going home alone.
Speaker 2:Oh, but yeah, I, I the quiet place home alone. Not an easy movie to watch no, it, it's not, especially that when he steps on that nail.
Speaker 1:Does he step on a nail? He does.
Speaker 2:Yes, he's, oh God, yeah. He loses his shoes and socks because of the tar or something, and then he steps on a nail. Oh God, dude, it's brutal.
Speaker 1:But yeah, A Quiet Place Also bad, because she steps on a nail as well. They take shit to the face. Oh that nail. It's horrific, this movie you're just like they're fighting, they're getting spears through them. What?
Speaker 2:are you going to do?
Speaker 1:If you get a spear through the foot or through the hand or through the fleshy, do some horror. It's a horror movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Sort ofie spears him from behind and uh, what's her name? Says gotcha. Oh no, yeah, he's spiritual, I don't know he dies yeah, yeah then we have some end scenes. Eva wakes up alive. That shot was really a good shot for coming back to life on the thing.
Speaker 2:Really liked that yeah.
Speaker 1:Now we have the girls are getting out of the hospital. Now you're a real-life mermaid, let's go get food. This is the best scene in the movie. They have food, they talk like they're actually friends and they find out Stevie's still alive. And then they're like should we go get her? And they're like probably.
Speaker 2:Probably, probably, we should Probably.
Speaker 1:That was nice, that's nice.
Speaker 2:Sure, sure.
Speaker 1:I'd like to see what they were eating, but that's just me.
Speaker 2:I'd love to see that. I don't know man. This is disappointment, that's not my favorite. Yeah, I see that I don't know man. This is disappointment, that's not my favorite.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think, disappointment. I've been waiting for a while. You're going to watch?
Speaker 1:this again for Halloween.
Speaker 2:Nope, this is not on the rewatch list, but the first one is every year without a doubt Every year. It's perfect. Perfect film. Yeah, no, I was pretty bummed. I was hoping for better. Just give these. You get what you get.
Speaker 1:You know, give these kids some trauma. People want to see people traumatized. That's what we want to see.
Speaker 2:Even if we didn't want to see it. If they have been through trauma and they don't show signs of trauma, we're like what's going on? This is ridiculous. This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. You know what I mean? We know it, we know, we call it and then it just ruins the whole thing Because they're all sociopaths and they don't care about all the people that were murdered. Don't care, no one cares.
Speaker 1:Very good. Now we talk about something we like. This week, uh great. Or the last two weeks, because we've been off for a week. It's been a minute. Great british baking show is back. Uh, not my yes, not my favorite group of bakers I. I've re-watched the last six seasons over the past couple of weeks I love that I usually just have mon kind of watching some of it yeah it was an easy watch.
Speaker 2:It's beautiful. Yeah, so many people I love favorites and I'm getting you, I'm getting into this.
Speaker 1:This group's not going to be my favorite group, but you know there's some people that are interesting but we're still early dan we're still early. Yeah, oh yeah, of course we did.
Speaker 2:Oh, we love, we love ourselves baking, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have many Some of my favorite people on Instagram Lottie and Stephanie. Oh, I love Stephanie more than anyone in the world.
Speaker 2:I don't remember names, dan, but we quote someone from I don't remember which season it was. It's just this sweet little kid who's struggling and he just said at one point he's upset.
Speaker 1:He just goes. I just want an easy life, and we quote that almost every day of our lives. I know who that is. That's that might be rowan.
Speaker 2:Might be rowan that I believe you, he's like a bigger, like a bigger guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah but a younger, bigger guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the most, the most relatable thing that's ever happened on television, and we love it If we want to talk about casting that show.
Speaker 1:This season, who knows? But other seasons have had some of the greatest castings that there have ever been.
Speaker 2:And we're just giving it some time. Let them breathe.
Speaker 1:And they have a lot of characters named Dan and no character named Tony, so it's pretty great.
Speaker 2:That's true. Has there ever been? I don't think. There is no wait. I think there was a, a lady with an I t-o-n-i. Oh well, that's I'm not sure.
Speaker 1:I can't remember. Uh what. What do you got for us, tony?
Speaker 2:with a wife. We are behind the times, but we are finally watching wednesday to start off spooky season, and it's delightful.
Speaker 1:Oh, you like it. Okay, I didn't make it through the first season.
Speaker 2:There are a lot of things we like about it. Okay, visually, oh sure, burton being Burton, it's great. Hate Catherine Zeta-Jones. Sadly don't love Luis Guzman, which is I do love him. I don't think he's a great choice. And Jenna Ortega is like hit or miss for us. Okay, but when she hits she hits and then you know. So we're enjoying it. But like, visually and vibes wise, I really dig it.
Speaker 1:Supposedly the second season is better. Then I'm excited to get there because we're only four episodes in, I think oh, okay, I think I made it so we got, we got time I did like one episode and I was like not for me I think that's fine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, because you get it, you. It doesn't, at least so far in the four episodes doesn't really change.
Speaker 1:So you, you got it. They don't sort it out. They're pretty much the same place. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so we need a movie for next week I gotta talk to me got out my big thing. It's just, we've been doing some sequels lately. I was like we should probably do another sequel or something that I've never seen the sequel of and was so reviled when it came out. I'm like, well, it's probably about time that we watched it. It feels about right, it's the uh post, uh post, living uh.
Speaker 2:John belushi movie blues brothers 2000 oh 2000, oh okay I, I did see this at one point in theaters, I'm pretty sure. Oh, wow, Okay, Because this was like mid-90s, right? I think it was the end of the 90s. Yeah, I think we saw this for my dad's birthday because my dad loves the OG Blues Brothers and I think we went to this and I think he was real mad about it, if I'm remembering correctly.
Speaker 1:Well, maybe you could call your dad up and ask, know, ask his recollections of the movie and you know remember when we watched this piece of shit movie?
Speaker 2:talk to me about it how angry were you, dad?
Speaker 1:I was very angry, um yeah, so it'll be interesting, because I I I think that first movie is a really good movie and there's a lot of great things in it, but I also have the ability to turn off my nostalgia brain, unlike some people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's tough for some people. I don't know who can't do it, but it's hard.
Speaker 1:So, tony, try to turn your nostalgia brain off. I will not. Do you like the first movie, I'm not even going to try.
Speaker 2:Love it. Well, we're on a mission from God. You know what I mean. A Well, we're on a mission from God.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. A lot of lines, a lot of good stuff in there. Carrie Fisher with a machine gun, I think at one point she does some amazing things. John Candy does one of the greatest lines in movies of all time. In that movie he's very good and of course, the two of them.
Speaker 2:What is it? I Am Candy, or whatever.
Speaker 1:Oh, I've got to see that the new doc that's coming out.
Speaker 2:It's going to kill me, but you've got to see it.
Speaker 1:I guess Ryan Reynolds and Eugene Levy got into it on the red carpet Wait what Got into it Like a fight. No, but you read these gossip things and I guess Eugene wanted Ryan to be a certain way and Ryan was just like don't tell me how to be, don't tell me what to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I do feel like Ryan Reynolds is a bit of a dick, but that's okay, that's alright.
Speaker 1:I do love Eugene Levy though these are, these are powerful, powerful people in Hollywood. So yeah if you like what you see, give us a thumbs up, leave a comment, subscribe and we'll be back talking about a movie from the 90s.
Speaker 2:Blues Brothers 2000. Next week. Goodbye everybody. Hey, watch it With Dan and Tony. It's like watching yeah.