Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
Hate Watching Mean Girls (2024): This remake should have stopped trying to make itself happen
"Stop trying to make fetch happen" might be the most iconic line from Mean Girls, but this musical remake probably should have stopped trying to make itself happen.
The 2024 Mean Girls musical adaptation presents a curious paradox: it's a movie musical with songs so abbreviated they barely register and a storyline that somehow manages to lose all the sharp edges that made the original a cultural phenomenon. Where the 2004 film brilliantly captured the brutal social ecosystem of American high schools, this remake offers a watered-down version that neither satisfies as a musical nor works as a compelling story.
What's particularly frustrating is how the film squanders its potential. The Broadway musical version, which serves as the adaptation's source material, features energetic, memorable songs that effectively translate Tina Fey's razor-sharp observations into musical form. Yet the film presents these songs in truncated versions, often lasting barely over a minute before abruptly ending. The "Revenge Party" number and the Halloween costume song stand as the only fully realized musical moments, with everything else feeling like musical interludes rather than complete expressions.
Character development suffers similar shortcomings. The original film showed how Katie gradually transformed into the very person she initially despised - a mean girl herself - creating a complex moral center. In this version, Katie never convincingly becomes mean, removing the crucial character arc that gave the story its emotional weight. Similarly, Janice's character loses the fascinating duality that made her simultaneously sympathetic and problematic in the original. Even Regina George, perhaps the most iconic high school villain in cinema history, lacks the calculated cruelty that made Rachel McAdams' performance so memorable.
Despite these shortcomings, a few bright spots emerge. The actress playing Janice demonstrates genuine vocal talent, and occasional meta-jokes about the musical format land effectively. But these moments only highlight what might have been with more thoughtful execution. For those intrigued by the concept of Mean Girls as a musical, the Broadway soundtrack offers a far more satisfying experience than this cinematic adaptation.
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Dan, the first thing you need to do Is you gotta put on your headphones Every single time, cause I'm talking to you right away.
Speaker 2:And I need you to listen to me.
Speaker 1:I need you to hear me when I talk to you, because I miss you so dearly. I miss you so much Dan.
Speaker 2:What are you saying? I can't hear you. Hey watchin'.
Speaker 1:With Dan and Tony.
Speaker 2:Hey, watchin' with Dan and Tony. I'm Dan, I'm Tony. This is a show where we answer the question what happens when two middle-aged to elderly white guys watch a movie and then complain about it for an hour and a half?
Speaker 1:We're definitely on the elderly side of that equation. You're absolutely right, because middle-aged you have to be in the middle of your life. I'm definitely past the middle of my life and you're old, you see. So we're both on the latter side of the scale.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when you start comparing your age to Rod Stewart's age, you're in trouble.
Speaker 1:But he's doing great. You know, there's the difference.
Speaker 2:Maggie, I wouldn't have cried anymore. Shannon says I can't sing. I think I can sing.
Speaker 1:Listen, I don't want to take sides. Okay, it was on par with what we saw last night. How about that?
Speaker 2:What did you see last night?
Speaker 1:Mean Girls, the Musical Mean.
Speaker 2:Girls yes, spoilers. The movie we're doing this week is Mean Girls 2024, also known as Mean Girls the Musical Movie. The movie musical.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is what a confusing. We had a movie and then we did a Broadway show based off it called Mean Girls the musical right, yeah. And then we made a movie based off of the musical and just called it Mean Girls again. That doesn't actually make sense to me.
Speaker 2:I was surprised that it wasn't called Mean Girls, the musical it has to be colon, something right. Like there has to be a subtitle of some sort to make it make sense. You know, this is the second movie musical we've done in the recent past where there are no songs that you would even like. I mean there's only two and a half songs in the movie Right, that is correct. Everything is like minute 13, minute 41. You're just like. These are not songs.
Speaker 1:Well, it turns out they're not. Did you listen to the Broadway musical soundtrack on Spotify at all? I did not. Totally different, I mean similar and yet different. The arrangements are all different. Katie can't sing We'll talk about that, I'm sure. Poor, poor kid, um. But also the music is just like way less fun. The broadway musical is like they're faster, they're more beat, there's more like musicality behind it, there's like more instruments. All these were very pared down and slow and boring and I was like this is a tale. Whoever saw this musical on broadway was like let's keep this going for three years. But I get it like I listened to some of the songs on the soundtrack and it was really fun.
Speaker 2:The musical was good.
Speaker 1:Is that what you say? I mean, I never saw the musical, but I enjoyed the music from the musical on spotify last night. I thought they were fun okay, I mean, you're just.
Speaker 2:I mean, you get confused. It's like you've got all these, it's baffling.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is, it's weird.
Speaker 2:It's weird is what it is. And the two biggest songs are the number one song is the Revenge Party song.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:That was the one that had by far the most views on it also had the most production value in the movie. Well, that and the sexy Halloween costume one, that was the other big one. Yeah, did you like that one?
Speaker 1:I mean we'll dive into it more, but I thought she did a wonderful job in that.
Speaker 2:Oh, because the breasts were sticking out so far.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. No, I mean it didn't hurt the song, right, you know, and I'm not, I'm just saying she played that very well, okay, but conversely, I thought she was horrible as the character in the movie. But once she started singing I was like, oh, I, I get why you were cast in a musical, yeah, but she cannot do the Amanda, siegfried and Roy part. She can't, she can't do it.
Speaker 2:The Amanda, siegfried and Roy part. What does that mean?
Speaker 1:I don't know her real last name. What's her name? Amanda Singfried? Singfried isn't right. What are?
Speaker 2:we talking about? Are we talking about the character From the original Mean Girls? Yeah, yeah, the character. I've never seen the original Mean Girls, so you have to explain.
Speaker 1:Dan, what are you talking about? You made us watch the remake and you haven't seen the original.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the idea. I always do that because it makes more sense. That's not the idea.
Speaker 1:Did you at least go? You didn't even go back and watch it afterwards to be like, why did anyone ever like the original Mean Girls, if this is even close to it? Because this movie is a catastrophe and the original Mean.
Speaker 2:Girls is great Because this movie is a catastrophe and the original Mean Girls is great. Well, you see, the whole idea is you are going to give. The idea is I'm going to view it as a movie and you're going to view it as a remake of a movie that you liked.
Speaker 1:Right, that's true.
Speaker 2:I'm going to bring no prejudices to this thing, and so it's like I can view it without any prejudices of enjoying something.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, let's do a quick recap. I, without any prejudices of enjoying something Okay, well, let's do a quick recap I hated this movie. How did you feel? It was pretty terrible.
Speaker 2:So it's basically the same. No, no, no, you hated it. I didn't hate this movie, I was just like all the songs are bad, the story's bad, it's not funny Right. Let's see, I kind of liked a couple. I mean, I liked a couple of the actors.
Speaker 1:I would love. Yeah, let's talk about that at some point.
Speaker 2:For sure, I liked what's her name that played. I thought she was the one that could sing Janice, the girl that played Janice. I thought she could sing, for sure yeah she was great.
Speaker 1:She's a good singer.
Speaker 2:She could play a character she could also she if they'd have given her acting to do.
Speaker 1:I think she could have done acting. It does help if you're given something to do and then you try to do it.
Speaker 2:It helps a lot, yeah I really like the katie girl um but as a singer I thought that I liked her I no I don't think she's a Broadway singer. I think she could sing an emotional song, sure, but it's a musical, she's not a Broadway singer.
Speaker 1:Alright, I'm just Listen. I think she's a great, she's a wonderful actor. I had no problem with her as the character in the movie, but when she started singing her songs I was like, oh it's, she's not bad, it's not like, oh, she's terrible, she's not bad.
Speaker 2:It's not like, oh she's terrible, she's not terrible.
Speaker 1:Definitely worse than every other person in the movie at singing. And so then I was like, well, that's your main character and that feels like a weird choice.
Speaker 2:Yes, it feels like a weird choice. You know she's 26. The girl that plays Regina 25.
Speaker 1:Ok, she's 26. The girl that plays Regina 25.
Speaker 2:Okay, the Regina girl. I just found weird.
Speaker 1:So, what's interesting, she's got a great voice. She played Regina in the Broadway musical for like the second half of the run or something. She didn't originate it, but she was in it and I agree I wasn't. I wasn't blown away, yeah.
Speaker 2:Her like main song. You know, I am Regina George, you know.
Speaker 1:I should have listened to that on the soundtrack Cause that in the movie that song sucks. But that's not her fault, that's a. It was a bad song. I did not like anything about that song.
Speaker 2:It was a bad song with weird choices and okay, let's. Okay, we've done a little bit of this. Let's just talk about the movie for one second, oh fine.
Speaker 1:Dan Fine.
Speaker 2:Maybe we'll see. You've seen the original.
Speaker 1:Indeed yeah.
Speaker 2:In this book, basically what this movie is. Girl moves back from africa to america, goes to high school, doesn't have friends for like three hours and so she actually does really good if you just have friends for three hours to the two misfits choose her and then they sort of throw her towards the mean girls, or she sort of decides to go towards the mean girls and she instantly joins the mean girls, sort of stays with them because she's gonna maybe eventually sabotage them or something then she meets up meets a boy, falls in love.
Speaker 2:The boy acts dumb to get the boy. The boy was the top Mean Girls ex-boyfriend. Then she drags him back, so she doesn't get the boy. And then eventually they exact revenge upon Regina. And then our hero, katie, stays with the Mean Girls and magically becomes one of the mean girls in a transformation that makes no sense. And you don't see it. And it doesn't make any sense. Yes, yes, and then it all falls apart and they all go back to where they were, and everyone's happy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they all learn their lessons, so now real quickly Hold on.
Speaker 2:Okay, so we have one character that has a want. Her wants through the movie is to get the boy. It's not even to be popular it's not even to be with anybody else. It's not even to have friends, it's only at a. You know it. We hint that maybe it's something else, but instead we change it to I want the boy.
Speaker 1:The ugly ugly boy yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry he couldn't sing and so they cut all of his songs out of the movie, but that's another thing. So then, what did he get?
Speaker 1:He can't sing, he can't look good, he can't be charming. What did he bring in the audition where they were like, yes, let's cast you. I don't get it Listen.
Speaker 2:Bad at math. Are you good?
Speaker 1:at math. No, I'm bad. You're cast. Get in the movie. We can't act so she has a want.
Speaker 2:No one else in this movie has a want. That's correct. I don't even ever know if anybody really likes each other.
Speaker 1:They do not In this movie.
Speaker 2:they do not. Nobody likes anybody at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Did anybody like anybody? That's my question is. Did anybody have anything to do in the real Mean Girls movie?
Speaker 1:This is what I was going to say is your synopsis is still the synopsis of the first film, except for it. All makes sense like you can see the character development, you see these people go through these transitions, you're like, yeah, I get it, this all makes sense. And then, when everyone is terrible to each other at the end and then they all make up, you're like, okay, this all makes sense and we've all learned the lesson. Don't be a mean girl.
Speaker 1:You know this movie doesn't do any of that which is weird because it's still written by tina faye, right I think I'm pretty sure it's very weird yeah I don't know what happened here, but something. Maybe the movie was too long because they added all the songs and kept all of the story from the first ones. They're like, well, let's just get rid of the story and then only hit parts of the songs, like do like a. It's like when you're switching radio stations they're like that's what the movie will be, because we can't do a full song.
Speaker 2:That's my wife. Oh, she drives me crazy.
Speaker 1:Is she just yelling at you that you can't sing, dan no no, no, it's just settle on a station.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, I understand. I've listened to one third of a song.
Speaker 1:Now we're moving on and next and next. I get it, I get it. That's not fun, I don't like it.
Speaker 2:Okay, so what happens in the original movie?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean the same thing she moves back from Africa, she makes friends with these two misfits. Now, for me, the biggest difference is Janice wants revenge on Regina George to the point where, like you see it, but also you realize that Janice is a mean girl. So Janice was a mean girl, she still is a mean girl, she's just not friends with the mean girl. So she does mean things. To get back at the mean girls, that's what this one was missing for me.
Speaker 2:Like a big part of it is that she wasn't a mean girl. We needed that.
Speaker 1:So it's Lizzie Kaplan, and she's amazing.
Speaker 2:And I think this other girl would be good as a mean girl too, and 100%.
Speaker 1:No, no, she was great. I have no problem with her as an actor or a singer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Instead of calling Katie, she calls her caddy. And then at one point, sort of when the whole thing is turning, she calls her caddy and I'm like she's a dick.
Speaker 1:She is. She's supposed to be, yeah, but they didn't do that. They don't really do that in this one, and that's a big, they don't do it. For sure, for sure, and that you lose a lot of the setup of the movie when you get rid of that.
Speaker 2:Because this all should be her machinations.
Speaker 1:It is. It is indeed. She sees an opportunity where this doughy-eyed girl could get in with these girls so she could destroy them. That's like the whole thing. You have to set that up at the beginning and that has to be they do in the other one, Dan. You should see the other one at the beginning and that has to be doing.
Speaker 2:The other one, dan, you should see the other one. It's pretty good they skip it. They're just like man.
Speaker 1:You know the whole motivation they assume you know, I think they assume everyone who is seeing this trash movie has already seen the other one. In fact, they probably think half of you have seen the broadway musical too. So they're like we don't need story, they already get the story that's why I go into it like this, because then I'm like what is happening.
Speaker 2:This doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1:It would be hard to know, that is for sure.
Speaker 2:And what does Regina want?
Speaker 1:Just to be like the coolest kid in the world, you know, like Regina's, just a classic I need to be your number one stunner.
Speaker 2:So does she like Katie, or does she begin?
Speaker 1:to like Katie.
Speaker 2:No on stunner, so does she like katie or does she become begin to like katie?
Speaker 1:no, she never likes. No, she never cares about katie. No, because they are also still pretty mean to her throughout, like they oh see, they were never mean to her no, no, no, no, for sure, not. Um, yeah, it's, it's interesting, you know there's because they all, they all have that rivalry. And you see it a little in this movie where Regina is like mean to. I only remember people from the original.
Speaker 2:So the Lacey Chabert character, yeah, she's like mean to her in the closet or whatever she yells at her yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's more of that Like there should be 10 times more of that. Yeah, there's that, it's that, and then it just multiplied. And it's good man, it's good. People say that it doesn't hold up because some of the jokes are outdated, and that's fine, but in my old man opinion they didn't change enough to call it an update, just like they still do the fat shaming like that's what happens to regina. It's fat shaming and everyone's like. You should probably update that, right, because that's a huge thing.
Speaker 2:now I don't know, it's weird oh, you mean, I should have changed the fat shaming to something else probably, if we're trying to.
Speaker 1:I've tried to update it for 2025 it was surprising that they did the fat shaming stuff. I was kind of like huh that's different. It doesn't fit in this movie as well, because we got rid of most of the un-PC bad things, but we kept that one and I assume it was just because they couldn't think of anything else to do to Regina, to get her on the outs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, what are you going to do to make someone embarrass themselves?
Speaker 1:Apparently just make her five pounds heavier, and that's enough to do it. I don't know Then she falls over.
Speaker 2:And yeah, I mean, Regina was the meanest to her mom of everybody and you know, she was more mean to her mom than anybody else in the movie and the mom really didn't, you know, had a very small role in the whole situation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's Amy Poehler in the original and it's she's great, I mean. I like busy Phillips too.
Speaker 2:I thought she was busy yeah, busy Phillips yeah.
Speaker 1:She was okay. Yeah, she was okay. She had like a funny bit on the stairs where she did some weird splits for no reason and I was like, okay, that would be funny if I was enjoying this movie, you know maybe that's part of the thing is you don't find a movie funny or things funny if you're just not enjoying the movie or the.
Speaker 2:You know the characters just don't mean anything.
Speaker 1:Okay, that is yes, that is correct I also think tina faye's.
Speaker 2:At one point, when katie comes in there and she's like you know, where have you been going to school? And she's like I've been homeschooled. And then Tina Fey's character's like well, you know, thanks for stealing money. You know food out of the box.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like undermining my profession or whatever. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And you're like, okay, there's a joke.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And no one reacts to it. And no one reacts to it and no one cares. It's like every one of the things they're just like these zingers that just zing to nowhere.
Speaker 1:Yeah, lifelessly yeah.
Speaker 2:Lifelessly. Yeah, and it's like you got to have comedy, that you're like I'm affected or whatever. Somebody needs to be affected. Yeah, because nobody's affected. Everybody just looks at the other person like they're a lunatic and you want to leave the room Like, oh okay, you have problems. I do want to leave the room.
Speaker 1:Does that help?
Speaker 2:Did you ever watch 30 Rock, oh of course. Yeah, isn't that how that whole show was? Because I watched like a super clip of like all the funniest things that happened to something, something character, and I watched them and they were all kind of like that. Here's like Alec Baldwin as much as we've.
Speaker 1:You know we've turned on him so I probably shouldn't compliment and he's very good in that show and people are going to find me the rest of the show could. Could just leave it. I didn't. I didn't love the show.
Speaker 1:We'll just put it that way oh, okay, so you, you watched it, but it's not like you watched it because it was like what you're supposed to do, and it was probably the reason that sunset strip was canceled, with matthew perry and bradley whitford, which is one of my favorite shows of all time. I only got one season because they're both about, uh, snl type shows, um, so I just, you know, I watched it all the way through and I just never, never, cared for it.
Speaker 2:Okay, so maybe it's just a Tina Fey thing where her comedy just sort of cause. You know, like I said, I watched the first episode of that, the four seasons, and you know it was just like.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's right yeah.
Speaker 2:Not funny and did not want to spend any more time with these characters and chose to leave.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I get it Not be held hostage.
Speaker 2:Mean Girls we start out with the two characters, janice and Damien, who are going to be our narrators, but of course they aren't our narrators and they do a song that is one minute and nine seconds long. Yeah, I loved it. I loved the song, yeah, and it went nowhere. I mean I was like, okay, I'm grooving to this, it's going to set up everything and we're going to go to all these places and then it didn't, but it's over.
Speaker 1:Bye See you and then they just walk and you're like wait, oh wait, come, come back, come, come back, please, come back. Uh, yeah, I know, I don't know. I also I don't get why we're loosely telling the story from their point of view, almost like it's.
Speaker 2:It's weird because they're not really in most of the movie or story, but that's fine there was a, there was a movie called cat baloo with janeonda and there were like these two characters that were, like you know, traveling mistily kind of guys, and they would come in. You know, they'd come in sort of at the act breaks and, like you know, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Sure yeah, okay, yeah, and Escher thinks through.
Speaker 1:And I was like, oh, that's what this is going to be. No, it's not really, though, right Like that would make sense. This just kind of didn't. I don't know.
Speaker 2:So Katie's in Africa with her mom and I guess she doesn't want to be there. Could not tell if I'm being honest, they weren't really shown or told. But then her mom's like I got a job because I know you don't want to be here, and then she runs away and then she's like no more, what ifs I'm going to do stuff, I guess, because I didn't do stuff, I guess.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 2:There it is. Tim Meadows is the principal, gina Fey is Miss Newberry, the calculus teacher. Somehow the calculus class packed with people, but not really. How did you do in calculus, tony? You think I took calculus. No, I don't think you took calculus, because it's absurd.
Speaker 1:I was very good in calculus and trigonometry. No, I took like basic math for dummies.
Speaker 2:Calculus is too high. Calculus is the it's way too high. It's literally the pinnacle of math in high school.
Speaker 1:This is why I did theater arts in college, Otherwise I would have had to take real classes. No, thank you.
Speaker 2:You know. So just make it trig. I don't know why it's calculus. It doesn't make any sense. Thank you.
Speaker 1:You know. So just make it trig. I don't know why it's calculus. It doesn't make any sense. Well, because she's advanced, she's supposed to be very smart.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I understand she's supposed to be very smart, okay, but the only people in calculus are people taking AP classes, and they're all very smart.
Speaker 1:Sure, unlike the people in this classroom.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like I'm a dumb-dumb, what? Okay, then we meet all these other teachers that we never see again.
Speaker 1:We have John Hamm in there, who we see in one other weird short scene he gets his cool sexual sex ed class talk, so that's great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I thought that was going to be like how he sort of structured this thing, but no, we're just going to maybe see you know how he sort of structured this thing, but no, did we just have, this? We're just going to maybe see these characters in the background. Not even worth meeting.
Speaker 1:I mean, I love Jon Hamm so I was happy to see him. I'm worried about Jon Hamm, like personally. Have you spoken to him? How's Johnny doing?
Speaker 2:You know, at the 50th saturday night live yeah he, he's, he's enjoying it too much. You know it's kind of alec baldwin enjoys it. But alec baldwin is so committed to the craft. You know, back to alec baldwin, always so committed, we might be talking way too much about alec. Baldwin, forget the Mean Girls, let's talk about Alec Baldwin.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I understand what you're saying, though. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And he just is like I'm out here having so much fun and it's like no, you got to be. Did you watch Friends and Neighbors at all?
Speaker 1:No, how is that it's okay. He's good in it. I enjoy him a lot. I have problems with the show in general, but it was good I finished it.
Speaker 2:He was great in the Fargo episode but it was serious.
Speaker 1:I still have not watched New Fargo, very serious.
Speaker 2:Okay, we get to lunch. She has no place to sit. She goes and eats in the toilet. Here comes Jen and Damien and we're going to take you on. They go back to lunch and then she's all. They're all like we gotta find you a tribe.
Speaker 1:That doesn't make any sense it doesn't make any sense because you're not taking her on right, like if we're taking you on, then you're coming with us, but we're just like trying to pawn you off on somebody else. Why did you even go get her at that Like none of this matters?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's weird they should. This should be the setup of the movie. Right, this, this should be your, your act break. This would be the your end of act one, where we we've set up all of our characters. We set up Regina and the and the plastics. You know a thing that never goes anywhere calling them the plastics. That doesn't make any sense. They don't seem like that. I don't know what that means. And then immediately she just walks over there and gets sucked into Regina's world.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they're just cool with it. Super accepting, if I'm being honest, and it's a little strange.
Speaker 2:And we sort of set up these rules where no sweatpants, and you got to wear pink on Thursdays and something, something, and it all just goes right through your head.
Speaker 1:And then one of the girls is trying to do this, so fetch, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Which is like I think people found it funny in the original movie.
Speaker 1:Well, it was. I mean, listen, lacey Chabert is very charming, oh, really, so she's just in general. Have you ever watched Lacey Chabert? Come on, that's why she's doing all those Hallmark-y type movies. She's great, but yeah, she's great. Fetch is funny and it's iconic, to use that word appropriately. It's iconic to use that word appropriately. It's iconic.
Speaker 2:people still love it so she was using it and then it was funny and so people then began to use it and it was. It was a cultural thing in real life.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, yeah, so like it's the same storyline as this movie where she's trying to make fetch and the iconic line is stop trying to make fetch happen. But it's delivered terribly in this movie, um, but yeah, I mean, it's funny, it's good it's not here, but it, you know, it's a nod to the original.
Speaker 2:We'll say so this poor sad girl that plays lacey sherbert's character, just yeah, she's, she's tough yeah tough. Um, this weird jason guy comes over, he. He is this weird guy that ends up dating the lacy sheer bear character and it's I don't, I, I don't like spending any time with this guy yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1:Um, he has one like relatively funny line later at a party when they're yelling, when they're talking right before they kiss. Do you remember that?
Speaker 2:no, it doesn't matter I mean, I remember hey being there and something happened and I was like yeah, I don't, I don't like this guy yeah, I think that's fair.
Speaker 1:I think that's fair we'll just leave it.
Speaker 2:I don't know who he is.
Speaker 1:I don't know what he's doing in the movie. I don't know. Don't spend time with him yeah, um.
Speaker 2:so she goes back to the nerds and they're like she's like Regina seems cool. And then we sort of realize Jen has a past with Regina when they were 13 years old and so she's like you're going to spy on them, I guess, sort of.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sort of.
Speaker 2:AP calculus. We see she's smart, she meets the boy. She does a song about how she fell in love with a boy.
Speaker 1:This song is a bop in the Broadway musical.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Really liked it, really liked it last night when I listened to it, not here, not in this movie, but in the musical version on Broadway. It was great. I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2:So instead of following love, she followed math. So now she's throwing math. She does use the word calculus, which I was like, but they don't emphasize it well, so you almost miss it. You're like, did she? Just say calculus, or did she say you know that should have been the song calculus Bomp bomp, bomp, bomp. That's what I had written.
Speaker 1:Bop, bop, bop, bop, she gets picked.
Speaker 2:This is, this is the most emblematic thing of the movie. She gets picked up by her mom. She yells at her mom, you can't pick me up like this. Her mom's in normal, you know this is fucking embarrassing.
Speaker 1:This is not good.
Speaker 2:You get it, you get Uncle Buck. This is just like her mom in a normal car looking normal.
Speaker 1:Well, that's the problem Normal, okay. We're not normal, dan, we're plastics. You'd get it. You know what. You'd get it if you saw the other one, okay.
Speaker 2:More rules about lunch. She does some calorie math. Regina's always eating Cheese fries. Is that Supposed to mean something?
Speaker 1:I got a little confused, honestly, because those aren't good, right? So, like, here's my thing, what's? Your thing, tony, he's gonna do his thing no, no, it's just because, like the, the whole plot is oh, we give her, get weight gain bars right, yeah but she's just at like a regular lunch and she's like I'm just gonna go get cheese fries. That's something that I would do she comes.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. Well, she comes in with cheese fries the first time and then in another scene she goes to get cheese fries right through dissatisfaction with what food?
Speaker 1:cheese fries, not healthy food. And I'm not saying that she needs to eat healthy. What I'm saying is they're sending weird messages where it's like the we're gonna trick her into gaining weight, but she's eating cheese fries a minimum two times a week here. I love cheese fries. This is a cheese fries body. Okay.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm going to say something. It's going to be controversial. She's big.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, no.
Speaker 2:She does not walk in and slay the room and so you're kind of like she's not Rachel McAdams. Oh, does Rachel McAdams play her in the first one? You?
Speaker 1:literally know nothing about the original Mean Girls, do you? I haven't seen it. I know you haven't seen it, but you probably have heard about it before. Is this your first time hearing that there's a movie from 20 years ago about Mean Girls? Is?
Speaker 2:that? What's going on here? I've heard of it. Rachel McAdams, you know that.
Speaker 1:Lindsay Lohan plays the main girl right, Katie I read that today.
Speaker 2:I read that that's because they worked her into this movie.
Speaker 1:And I did not realize that they did.
Speaker 2:If you just said to me who plays the Katie girl in the real one, I'd have been like. I can't believe this totally messed.
Speaker 1:you Like the minute after I?
Speaker 2:turned off the movie.
Speaker 1:I'd been like I don't know I have no idea, so hold on.
Speaker 2:Rachel McAdams is like super hot right.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, smoking.
Speaker 2:Did they make her gain weight in the first movie?
Speaker 1:Not in like. She's not like in a fat suit, but they make her like look schlubby. They do it's not good in the first movie. You know it's not. It's not good in the first movie. That's why it's weird that they do it in this one, even though this one is all about like updating it for nowadays. It's weird. It's weird that they kept that storyline, but all that to say is, if you're eating cheese fries a couple of times a week, I don't think those weight gain bars are going to do a whole lot.
Speaker 2:I'm just just saying, yeah, those weight gain bars are going to do a whole lot. I'm just just saying yeah, and I mean somebody, somebody. She just went, she was, you know, especially the very first scene she's wearing like this horrible dress and yeah, it's just horrible.
Speaker 1:It's. The clothes in general in this movie are not great. Now, I don't know if that's because I'm old. Maybe they're cool and hip and I don't get it. I'll accept that if you tell me that. But I don't think the clothes looked good in the movie. Nothing is like. Oh, that's a cool outfit.
Speaker 2:And it's not like they're. You know, it's like when you watched whatchamacallit, the Paul Rudd movie with Alicia Silverstone Clueless, clueless, there weren't outfits. And you know it's like I don't know. You know, I looked at those outfits. I'm like these are not outfits that I know, but you were like there weren't outfits.
Speaker 1:And it's like a vibe, Not a good one in my opinion it's a vibe. It's a vibe.
Speaker 2:These clothes did not feel like a vibe. It's a vibe.
Speaker 1:These clothes did not feel like a vibe. No, not at all.
Speaker 2:These three girls that are sitting there. You don't go like these three girls. The three mean girls. They're something they don't feel like, they're a vibe and a thing. They're all just sort of wearing clothes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, agreed.
Speaker 2:Agreed Clothes. We're talking about clothes.
Speaker 1:You should really go watch the original, Dan. I want to hear your thoughts on it.
Speaker 2:Probably not. Okay. Let's see, we meet Kevin from Calc. He wants her to join the team, but Regina shuts it down, whatever. Oh, and now we have the Apex Predator song, which is just that Regina rules the roost and so she breaks up this one couple for an unknowable reason and sends the one girl there to be with that weird.
Speaker 1:Jason guy. Yeah, it was weird.
Speaker 2:Then they get in the Jeep, they go to the house, they meet the mom, she's meeting the mom. One good line in here is that your room is so big and she was like it used to be my mom's room and I took it, yeah.
Speaker 1:I didn't laugh, but it's a good line. You would have laughed if you had seen the original, because it's funny in the original.
Speaker 2:They bring up guac and they're like you don't know what guac is. It's like okay.
Speaker 1:I don't, I don't know what guac, maybe I don't. I mean, I know what guacamole is guac right. But they're saying, like is there really a someone on earth that doesn't know what guacamole is? I don't believe that.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, I don't believe that that to be true well, they were trying to do a whole bit because she's from kenya and it was. It never really worked. Was she from kenya in the first movie?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah and there's I think there's like a really un-pc joke about how she had a boyfriend and he ran away and he was very fast because he was Kenyan, or something like that, if I remember correctly, which was very funny, but obviously you know bad.
Speaker 2:Now we get Regina's burn book, which is the book where she has pictures of everyone and then says mean stuff about them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but not really. This burn book is very tame compared to the OG burn book.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they go get some shoes for her. Oh, gretchen, that's the girl, gretchen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Gretchen Wieners.
Speaker 2:No problem, I'm not going to say that again. She follows Gretchen into the closet. Gretchen does a song about what's wrong with me, but it doesn't. I don't know, it doesn't ring true that should be such a Relatable song.
Speaker 1:Well, she should have felt Something before this moment, one or again After. She never really she's not. She doesn't seem like she's a character that's struggling with this identity issue that she has in this one scene. And that's weird because, because in the song it's like what is she? What is she talking? She doesn't feel that way. I want to be able to relate to her and feel what she is feeling, yeah, but I can't, because she's not feeling it, she's lying, I don't know. Because she's not feeling it, she's lying. I don't know why she's singing this song, but it's not to be truthful.
Speaker 2:She can't act right. That's part of the problem.
Speaker 1:No, she wasn't very good.
Speaker 2:Can't act. Okay. Then Katie tells Janice about the burn book. She wears the high heels and starts to get the attention of the boy. Jen is arty. So then we have a montage of her failed boy interactions where she says dumb things, yeah. And then eventually she starts acting dumb. And then he invites her to a Halloween party yeah. Then we get the dumb girl's sexy for Halloween song, which was the longest and most significant song of the movie so far.
Speaker 1:Which is weird, I did not care for it. Yeah, well, like as a song, it doesn't really so. My, not that this is a problem, but what it's. How does this advance the movie at all?
Speaker 2:right, she just talks about wearing sexy clothes and what.
Speaker 1:Why? What's the what's the point? We're bare. We're at a halloween party for four minutes. Why does this matter? How is this relevant to anything happening in the movie? It's not, it's just not, uh. But I think she does it very well and she dances very well as well. Like my, one of my biggest problems is when katie dances with the background dancers. She looks worse than the background dancers. Uh, when this young lady danced with the background dancers is like oh yeah, she's leading them, she looks like she's the beyonce to the background dancers. Right, that's what you want to do. That's what you want, I think, out of your leads. So I thought she did a good job on this, but again, her character overall was just not good and I felt like she was trying to do an Amanda Seyfried imitation. It just didn't work.
Speaker 2:So Amanda Seyfried plays the the dumb girl.
Speaker 1:Yes, the super ditzy, girl. And she knocks it out, the fricking park.
Speaker 2:So it's a real serious cast in that first movie. I mean it's a drop dead cast.
Speaker 1:The fact that you are just learning this just keeps blowing my mind. But yeah, no, it's a great read, lindsay, lindsay. This just keeps blowing my mind.
Speaker 2:But yeah.
Speaker 1:Rachel McAdams, matt Seyfried Lindsay.
Speaker 2:Lohan, Lacey Chabert these are all people I know and all people I I mean. I love Lindsay Lohan. I think Lindsay Lohan she can be a really great actress.
Speaker 1:She's a great comedian, she can really Tough go of it, but she's lovely.
Speaker 2:She's a real deal. Okay, she's a real deal, okay, well, maybe. I'll watch that movie someday.
Speaker 1:Just watch it one time. It's not even that long.
Speaker 2:Katie meets Aaron. He's excited to see her there. Regina inserts himself in their relationship, drags him off and immediately steals him back to herself and she acts upset. And then he chases her and then Regina has this weird they like turn off all the lights and she does this. You used me. It was so weird super weird it's like.
Speaker 1:It's like they're backwards masking songs or something is that what it's called when you play the LP backwards? Okay cool.
Speaker 2:Paul is not dead, he's alive.
Speaker 1:Was that a Beatles? The?
Speaker 2:Beatles. That was my, your whole childhood, when I was a kid, was that the Beatles records have all these things that tell you what's really going on with the Beatles if you run the mountains backwards.
Speaker 1:Oh interesting, our big thing was Pink Floyd played to Wizard of Oz, Isn't?
Speaker 2:that what it was he played the Pink Floyd album at the same time as watching the movie Wizard of Oz and you get the secrets of life.
Speaker 1:Well, they matched up and there was a soundtrack to it or something. I don't know. I don't remember. It was a long time ago. Did you do it? I mean, I know that my sister did it and I was there for it, but I was pretty young. Let me make sure Pink Sounds like a thing. Wizard of Oz. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a thing.
Speaker 2:There it is. So Katie then runs to Janice and Damien and then we learn the whole story about Janice and Regina's backstory, which is they were friends and then Regina turned on her and then there was like a stuffed animal and it got lit on fire.
Speaker 1:And Janice is like a lesbian.
Speaker 2:And okay. Yeah, I mean you have the cliff notes, yeah is that, and that's what happened in the real movie too yeah, sort of like.
Speaker 1:It's basically like she, regina's like oh my god, you're obsessed with me, you must be in love with me. So then she told everyone that lizzie caplan was a lesbian and obviously in the time that it happened that was not necessarily a positive thing. Thank God we've learned from that, by the way. So this one, they had to make her burn stuff down or something. Yeah, because that's the negative thing. I didn't totally understand it.
Speaker 2:If I'm being honest, it was weird. Okay, very good, very, very good. Then we have a song. We'll get you back, we'll attack revenge. Oh, this is a revenge party song, almost a song, but it ends.
Speaker 1:It's so close to being a song.
Speaker 2:Katie gets Aaron to tutor her. Katie tricks Regina into eating the fat bar so that she starts gaining weight, and then she gets. This is really interesting. They're trying to. Oh so this is the revenge party, so this is a whole thing. So the first thing they do is they set the sprinklers on her when they're wearing evening gowns on the football field.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:And then it makes her eyeliner run and then, it makes her more popular. Yeah, and I'm like, well then, when the real revenge things comes, she has to not get unpopular, right.
Speaker 1:Well, you would think so.
Speaker 2:Isn't that what you're setting up with the bit?
Speaker 1:I wouldn't worry about it, but that's the bit right. Well, that's the bit if you want to follow through. But if you don't want to follow through, you just don't worry about it.
Speaker 2:Revenge party song never stops. No candy cane. Oh, so then they send a candy cane to Katie from Regina and then Gretchen doesn't get one from Regina. So Gretchen spills the beans that she's having sex with a dude in the closet and then Katie spills the beans to the dude and the dude goes and sees them and he's hurt and he doesn't go to her.
Speaker 1:He's all sad and stuff.
Speaker 2:He just runs away.
Speaker 1:Well, he's in his feels, you know.
Speaker 2:And then Katie's continuing to fail quizzes to try to act like she's dumb, to get the guy yeah.
Speaker 1:Why doesn't?
Speaker 2:she just do like. I mean, if you know everything and you can completely control exactly what you know, wouldn't you just get Cs? Why would you fail?
Speaker 1:Well, because you really have to play dumb. You know, guys don't get stuff that's subtle. We need Fs, you know. Otherwise I'm going to think that you're doing just fine. Honestly, let's think about this I got Bs and Cs in high school, right Because I needed to maintain a B average to keep my driver's license from my father. So I did the bare minimum. I did exactly what you're saying. I maintained that I did just enough work to get the B average and no more. I wasn't spending any extra time to get anything over that.
Speaker 2:So you could have gotten A's if you wanted to.
Speaker 1:We'll never know. Dan, I'm not going to sit here and tell you I'm smart, but I'm just saying I did not work that hard and I did just enough to maintain that average. So, I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying. You do just enough to get by, but nothing extra.
Speaker 2:You never wanted to overachieve in your life, did you? Tony?
Speaker 1:I really didn't, because here's the thing, right Like I have other things I want to do, dan, so I don't want to spend my time overachieving in something that I don't care that much about.
Speaker 2:I mean, if you have that driver's license, you know, what else do you need?
Speaker 1:Exactly, you got all the freedom in the world.
Speaker 2:Okay, Boom. Now we have the other thing about this. This movie's kind of cycles through. You know, you know when we're going to, when the next event is going to happen, because they tell us what it's going to be. So this thing is like the Christmas thing, I don't know, it has a name. And then there's like the spring fling formal. So you're like okay.
Speaker 1:The seasons are changing.
Speaker 2:The adult will announce what the thing is and then you're like well, I guess whatever's going to go down will go down there. We start with Kevin G and the Math 3, I think they're called they do something inappropriate. I almost was ready to like that, but we didn't really get to see enough of it to get to be inappropriate.
Speaker 1:It's better in the original, it's, I mean, more inappropriate. So like I think it's funnier. Um, that's a hard character to make more pc and still keep funny, because his whole bit was that he was inappropriate you know you gotta go, you gotta go.
Speaker 2:It's interesting, because that's the whole thing about comedy is you can't let kevin g disappear, you have to. You have to go hard with kevin g, because that's all you got not in 2024 dan can't do it they do rocking around the pole mom is embarrassed and then regina comes crashing down. Boom. Now everyone hates regina or thinks she's a slub, and they love ked now I there's two things.
Speaker 1:You're right, there's two things I didn't get. Yeah, she fell over, sure, yeah, but so, like I didn't, I didn't understand how that made people turn on her oh, because they didn't make it embarrassing enough. 100, no, I mean, I yeah, I agree. Um, and then when they cut to like katie doing stuff, and they're on like the instagrams or whatever.
Speaker 1:She doesn't look good right, so like, how would that make me like her? I just there had to have been more of like a stark difference between what these two people are doing to make me feel the same way.
Speaker 2:Well, like Katie's normal hair to Katie's hot hair, not that different.
Speaker 1:It's basically the same yeah.
Speaker 2:And I mean, you know, when they put her in more revealing clothing, you're like, oh okay, she's, you know. Sure she's they, you know they, I won't say. Should I say they let me check this thing? I'm going to check my battery because I got the new battery on the thing. Oh, jesus Christ.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, you got that new battery.
Speaker 2:Dan's computer died, everybody yeah well, the battery died and I replaced it myself, like a pro.
Speaker 1:Wow, no wonder it doesn't work. Come on, dan, that was funny, don't be cranky about it, man don't you're pushing, you're testing me today.
Speaker 2:I'm just pushing you to the limits.
Speaker 1:So now katie is the thing yeah, now she's the girl I don't know and then katie.
Speaker 2:So then janice is like, oh, we've succeeded. And katie's like, no, I need one more lunch. And then, and then, uh, she's now the queen bee. And then regina shows up wearing sweatpants and they're all like you're banned. Rules are rules, get out, yeah. And then we learn that Katie is up for prom queen, yes, but she has to go to see Neil deGrasse Tyson with her mom Right, because she begged her mom to go see Neil deGrasse.
Speaker 2:Tyson. But then she decides instead that she's going to have a party, and then she tells her mom, mom, you know, I don't want to go, and the mom's like well, I guess I'm going to go see Neil deGrasse Tyson.
Speaker 1:All alone. Even though it doesn't make any sense what you wanted to do, I guess I'll just go alone. What, why, what? That's the most nonsensical thing ever it has to be a mom thing that the mom wants to do. Yes, it has to be a Goofy movie type situation, right when Goofy wants to go fishing and Max doesn't want to go fishing. He wants to go to the concert. You know it's a classic.
Speaker 2:It's a classic trope.
Speaker 1:Nope, not right, that's not what happens.
Speaker 2:Ridiculous. Doesn't Max get dad to go fishing without him?
Speaker 1:No, did you still not watch a Goofy movie. I started it. I did not like the voices. For the love of God, you are testing my patience today. Oh my God, no, no, they end up going to the Powerline concert. You fool, it's great.
Speaker 2:So they have the big off the hook party. Her mom's vase gets broken. Actually that was a joke. That was kind of funny. When the mom's like what happened to my vase, that's kind of funny.
Speaker 1:Sure kind of.
Speaker 2:She goes in a room with Aaron.
Speaker 1:They sit on the bed and then she confesses everything well, first someone breaks in the room and she yeah, it was super weird no.
Speaker 2:I like that.
Speaker 1:I thought that was actually cause she yells at them and I'm like okay she yells at them, but I didn't feel like she was very intimidating oh, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I just it was very different from her character. It was like, oh, a character's actually taking an action.
Speaker 1:It was definitely very different from her character but it didn't feel like a mean Regina thing. It didn't feel mean, it felt whiny.
Speaker 2:Oh. So she should have said you know you don't have condoms, blah, blah blah.
Speaker 1:She should have said something truly mean yeah I think so and like sent them away and we're like oh, she's a mean girl now, you know.
Speaker 2:But instead she was just like we're in here and I didn't like it, trying to get with my yeah and like why does she do all this confession?
Speaker 1:you know, I don't know, I don't know. She didn't do that in the original movie. No, it did have. I don't, I don't remember exactly how this all happens?
Speaker 2:Oh, because you didn't care about this part.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're like yeah, this isn't the fun stuff of the movie. Nobody cares about the redemption arcs.
Speaker 2:And so when she tells everything to him, he yells at her you're a clone of Regina and I'm like, but she's not, and that's my problem she never did anything definitely is in the first movie. Oh really, she's not in this movie so so she becomes all fetch in the first movie way to use it.
Speaker 1:Dan, I'm proud of you. You're redeeming yourself already, uh, yeah, yeah, she becomes a plus, she becomes a mean girl.
Speaker 2:She puts on the shoes and the outfits and you're like, okay, she puts on the whole outfit.
Speaker 1:She looks good Because Lindsay Lohan, lindsay.
Speaker 2:Lohan looked good.
Speaker 1:No, it all makes sense. I'm telling you, this movie doesn't make any sense. Somehow, I don't know what happened.
Speaker 2:And then Janice shows up, and then she yells at Janice, you're obsessed with me and you're like Janice has never been obsessed with you. She never did anything to make you think that.
Speaker 1:She hardly likes you, as far as I can tell.
Speaker 2:I don't know, janice doesn't really, you know. And then she made Don't know, janice has yarn on her face. And she made this weird yarn fabric. Art of the three of them.
Speaker 1:I guess yeah, I don't know. I didn't get it, you know, but I don't, you know, art goes over my head, you know, that's true like most things.
Speaker 2:Um, okay, regina's gonna have her revenge. She starts a revenge song, she takes the the book, leaves it at school and then she's gonna watch the world burn. Everyone sees the book and sees themselves in it, and everyone hates each other. It didn't make any sense, but I guess if you were along for the ride in the movie you'd be like that's how everyone is.
Speaker 1:Well, also in the original there's more about like people turning on each other because they're like they turn to their friends and like I told you that in confidence and it's like who's who really put the things in the burn book Because, you know, it's only something that somebody would, things like that. So people turn on each other because they think their friends have sold them out.
Speaker 2:Essentially, and that that can't be done in song. That has to be done, no, in in acting. That has to be done in acting.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, if you're in a musical, you don't want to act. You know they're two different things, All right.
Speaker 2:We all hurt each other. So Tina Fey brings everybody together in the thing and then we have like a real scene, like an emotional scene, where we're going to all write apologies and you know she does a thing where they hold up your hand if you've hurt someone, hold up the hand if you've intentionally, and it was like, oh wow, this is like acting and like a scene in the midst of this movie that is chosen to never have scenes, not do those things yeah.
Speaker 2:Janice does the whole plot. I should have known better. And then she does her right finger song, which I thought was the best song in the movie.
Speaker 1:Oh hands down, yeah, yeah hands down. Best song in the movie.
Speaker 2:And it's still not A good song, not a great song, not a song you really sing along with, but it's a good song.
Speaker 1:But having watched this whole movie Because I was forced to for this podcast you get to that and you're like, wow, this is a nice reprieve, because this is pretty good yeah yeah, and then Regina gets hit by a bus. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she died but gets revived. And then people are saying Katie pushed her. You're like, okay, yeah, yeah, she died, but gets revived.
Speaker 1:And then people are saying Katie pushed her.
Speaker 2:You're like okay. And then, okay, mrs Nürberg got out because the book said she was a drug pusher. And then Katie admits it I did it and makes up with the Mrs, with Nürberg or whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, with the teach.
Speaker 2:She's got a three-week suspension. She goes home. And then Jenna Fisher. Is it Jenna Fisher? Is that her name? Yes, yeah, from the Office Is the mom, and we have a real emotional scene with two actresses who both know how to act.
Speaker 1:They connect.
Speaker 2:And we're like wow, look at this, Another real scene we could have used this.
Speaker 1:Do you think that they shot chronologically and they were just figuring out how to make a movie by this point? Do you think that's what happened?
Speaker 2:I don't know, tony. She tries to visit Regina but just leaves her. She goes back to school, she apologizes to Mrs Norberg and Okay, here's the joke I liked. Okay, that's a Kevin joke.
Speaker 1:Oh, Kevin joke. Kevin is there. We missed the joke I like. Oh, what was it? Do you want to tell yours first, Cause we're here.
Speaker 2:This is one of my jokes there's two Uh, kevin is. So the one guy is oh, kevin's trying to make squills happen, so his thing is squills, so he does the squills bit. And then Jacob says to him stop trying to make squills happen. And then Kevin says Jacob, get off my dick. I laughed a bunch. I laughed a bunch.
Speaker 1:Of course you did. Of course you did. Jacob get off my dick. Because it's not. It doesn't fit in this movie, if I'm being honest with you. But that's a funny line.
Speaker 2:It's a funny line and the kid delivers it perfectly. Yeah, Get off my dick. Yeah, he's good and you're like, oh okay. Well, that's what you would say, because you're pissed off working.
Speaker 1:I'm like, okay, this gets funny. Which is squills is weirder than fetch. If I'm being up, but maybe that's because I've heard fetch for 20 years, I don't know okay, tony hit, hit us with the joke you like.
Speaker 1:Okay, so the joke that I liked was in the gymnasium. I totally, because we were just talking, I totally forgot about it, uh, and they're all doing their apologies and then their trust falls and one one of the chorus girls gets up and she's like hey, somebody in the audience? I'm sorry, I said you were dragging during revenge party. There was just so much, uh, express pressure for us to advance the story during the montage and I lost my shit. I was like that's a great meta joke. Thank you, that's the only joke that I enjoyed and it was followed up with another.
Speaker 2:The follow-up line was good too.
Speaker 1:I don't know what it was well, tim I don't know, it's Tim Meadows turns to Tina Fey and goes what the hell's going on here?
Speaker 2:Something like that. I was like that's great. He points out that it's a meta joke, Right.
Speaker 1:It doesn't make any sense. He points out that he doesn't understand the meta joke. Yeah, that was a good one. Yeah, that to that. One laugh for me.
Speaker 2:Took a lot longer to get to my laughs, but we're cruising into one and we're going to hit the second one All right, we're doing it. She then joins Math Club and Math Club is the same day as the Spring Fling. It's during the day, and so now we do this weird intercut with. Janice is singing a song that's at the Spring Fling. While they're doing Lindsay Lohan, we're doing the math thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's confusing.
Speaker 2:What is happening?
Speaker 1:I don't know what to tell you why are we doing that? I don't know, but they did it. You got to wrap it up quick, you know.
Speaker 2:Ends up a tie. The two teens pick the two girls to come out. The two girls come out there and I guess what's-her-name has learned not to be a mean girl anymore. So she's all like. You know why does. When did?
Speaker 1:that happen? I don't understand.
Speaker 2:But she took flowers to Regina's house, regina.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's when it happened.
Speaker 2:Okay, good to know, maybe we could have seen it somehow, but no, she's just it would have been all right but whatever, and so she's all like she says to the girl you know, you know we it's nice to meet you. You know we don't need to be in competition. And then the other girl says whatever slut yeah, which you're right.
Speaker 1:No, that was funny, you're right I did laugh.
Speaker 2:That was my second laugh. Yeah, it's a good laugh. Yeah, you're right that that was funny.
Speaker 1:You're right, I did laugh. That was my second laugh. Yeah, it's a good laugh, whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're right, that was good and the girl delivered it perfectly, she all, she had this weird face and then she cut you're like oh, she got it. No, she's like whatever slut okay, boom, yeah, that's good um, and she gets it right, they win regina. So regina then, then we're doing, then we're at spring flling. She meets Regina in the bathroom. Regina has this thing on her neck. Her head moves way too much For a neck brace.
Speaker 1:That's not holding her in place at all. She's loosey goosey in there.
Speaker 2:You gotta put somebody in a neck brace. I know it's uncomfortable, but you can't. No, you can't. She, no, you can't.
Speaker 1:She can't be flopping around up there. That's dangerous.
Speaker 2:So then she apologizes and then she says I forgive you, but I'm on a lot of drugs so I need to change. But I'm on a lot of drugs, so we're like I don't understand. Is she telling us the truth or is she just?
Speaker 1:saying shit. No, she's lying. She's high as a kite man, she's so doped up.
Speaker 2:Katie wins, katie wins.
Speaker 1:Prom queen, prom queen or fling queen, whatever they call it.
Speaker 2:She gives a speech. Tim Meadows does have a good line. She's like this is not really the time for giving speeches.
Speaker 1:Right, which is from the first one.
Speaker 2:Most of his lines are fine and I'm sure in a good movie they'd be funny.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's great in the original.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there it is, um, and she breaks up the crown and throws it out. There. It makes up with everyone, and everyone gets boyfriends or girlfriends as necessary. And does she get back together with the ugly guy?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, she does. And they kiss Katie, you mean Katie yeah, katie gets together with the ugly guy. And they kiss yeah, she gets the boy.
Speaker 2:Why does she get him, Tony?
Speaker 1:Well, because she's way out of his league, so he's probably just lucky to be there.
Speaker 2:She's like way hotter than he is. Even as a nerd she was way hotter than him, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean I just call. Like I said, you know people out there. If you think he's attractive, let me know. I'm curious because he does nothing for me. Wow, tony.
Speaker 2:Sorry, and then the movie ends and I think there was some post-credit things, but I did not watch those.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think there was two. I think I turned it off pretty quick, couldn't wait to go to bed after that.
Speaker 2:Why can't we have good songs? That's it, you know, like make a bad movie but put good songs in it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, then it's forgivable because it's a musical and the music is what matters, right. But now we've got, we're 0 for 2. That's not good, that's bad.
Speaker 2:And I'm sorry, but it seems like the songs is the controllable thing.
Speaker 1:Yes, you only make the movie if you. I'm sorry, but it seems like the songs is the controllable thing. Yes, 100%.
Speaker 2:You only make the movie if you have a pile of songs that are good. You would think so. That's the only reason you make the movie. Yeah, because if you made a musical.
Speaker 1:That was a good movie but had terrible songs. You would just be like well, let's just make it a movie, because the songs suck. Yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Maybe they thought they were great, I mean, but you know, a minute and nine seconds it doesn't even matter, it's not a song, it's interesting. I was, you know, waiting around for you Because you were late, of course, to do the show as per usual, and I had this one song in my head. I'm like what is that song? What is that song? What is that song? And, of course, it's one of the songs from Spirited, and I listened to a bunch of the Spirited songs because you were late, as per usual, yep.
Speaker 1:Right, and it's just like Really hammer that point home.
Speaker 2:Every one of those songs is like here's the point of the song. I'm singing about the point of the song and I'm going to sing about the point of the song. Good afternoon, good afternoon great song I'm dancing down the hallway playing good afternoon on my phone amen good afternoon good afternoon there it is good it's in your brain, not a note of this movie.
Speaker 1:It's like an hour and 46 has stayed with me at all. No, no, yeah, no, yeah. I couldn't. I don't even think if I tried I could sing one of the tunes from the movie. I really don't.
Speaker 2:Revenge Party and Sexy Halloween Costume. Those are the only two big, big songs, and then her middle finger one. It's like I don't understand.
Speaker 1:Nah.
Speaker 2:Now are you saying you could listen to the whatchamacallits songs, the Broadway musical.
Speaker 1:While I was brushing my teeth and getting ready for bed last night, I was jamming out on the Spotify.
Speaker 2:There it is.
Speaker 1:Thought it was fun Okay Because they're like the Spotify. There it is. Thought it was fun Okay Because they're like actual songs, they're musical and they have the instruments and vocals and I felt like these were kind of lagging. The lyrics aren't better. You know what I mean. Like the lyrics are all pretty bad, just in general, but at least they're catchy and fun and upbeat.
Speaker 2:I guess Tina Fey's husband wrote the music and some other random dude wrote the lyrics.
Speaker 1:Interesting. They should fire the dude, the random dude, for sure, yeah, and.
Speaker 2:I was looking at the numbers and it was like the one. The sexy song had 1.7 million views Just the song, not the video. You know, there's a video that has like 4 million views and then the revenge party had 2.1.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And then I think there was one other one that had a decent amount and then you know like the songs at the end had like 40,000.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not great. Yeah, that's not very many people, no.
Speaker 2:So that's Mean Girls 2024.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just Mean Girls again. That shouldn't be the title of the movie.
Speaker 2:Now, did you ever see any of these high school musical movies?
Speaker 1:Of course I saw all the high school musical movies. Are you kidding?
Speaker 2:me. Were there any songs? Come on, were there any songs?
Speaker 1:Troy Stan? Yeah for sure. No, they're fun man. The Blonde Girl from Suite Life of Zack and Cody, whose name I'm forgetting right now, she's got a great song, all dressed in pink with her little pup, zack Efron's got some bangers. That basketball song is good. Yeah, there's a lot, so there's real songs.
Speaker 2:It's good man, so it's like a high school musical.
Speaker 1:Which is obviously not great, but it's fun. It's way more fun than this and the dancing is on point and the music is on point and the Disney Plus series is on point. I really enjoyed that a lot.
Speaker 2:It's made on a Disney TV movie kind of budget right 100%. You can hire guys to write songs that bop along, because that's all you need. You don't need anything magical.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean need anything magical.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean it's cheesy, it's not like it's a good movie, but better than this.
Speaker 2:Now, do those songs ever come into your head, or are they just like yeah, they're good.
Speaker 1:They're not coming to my head, but if I hear the basketball I can't remember it. But if you hear that basketball song you're like oh yeah, oh yeah, I remember this Okay.
Speaker 2:I seem to remember that song a little bit, a little tiny bit, a little tiny bit. Tony, anything else to say about this movie, tony?
Speaker 1:Don't watch it.
Speaker 2:There it is. That's about all we can say. Don't watch it. Hashtag, don't watch it. There it is. That's about all we can say. Don't watch it. Hashtag, don't watch it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't have any fun really.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:I understand that people don't think that the old one holds up because of some of the jokes or something. Oh because of how politically incorrect.
Speaker 2:It is yeah, it's not.
Speaker 1:It was 20 years ago. I mean, what are you going to do? But I also remember that when, before this came out, the cast was doing like interviews and they were like, yeah, well, this one's, you know, updated and it's more blow, but it's better than the old one, because the old one's almost unwatchable and I was just like I don't know about you people, I don't know about you people, I don't feel like that's true, um, and so now that I've seen it, I'm just more disappointed, because I don't think it was updated correctly or enough and it also was bad.
Speaker 2:So I don't know, the movie's called mean girls, right, yeah, you know, toes are gonna get stepped on. That's the idea they should.
Speaker 1:I this was like what is what's not mean but not nice. What's like the middle. Is there a word for that for people? Because that's the type of girls they are. They're not mean. Tepid, tepid, tepid girls.
Speaker 2:That's probably not a great title, I don't know I mean, it's true, it's like give us something, yeah, give us something yeah, nobody was that mean there wasn't much bullying.
Speaker 1:Not that there should be bullying, but there should be bullying.
Speaker 2:Let me tell you something about what goes on? In the world there's bullying.
Speaker 1:Sorry, oh boy, speaking of bullet, love Island is out of control, man Woof, there is a lot of hate out there. Everybody love everybody.
Speaker 2:Are you back on board?
Speaker 1:You know, know, you're in love with it.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not on board. I think this is a terrible season, but people are being like, like death threats and it's yeah, it's dark man, it's like the they've.
Speaker 1:The people have turned on this show and it's not pretty they're threatening the contestants with death yeah.
Speaker 1:So two of them got kicked out, just like removed for saying racist things on their instagram in the past. Basically, like those things resurfaced and the show had to remove them, silently, basically, and those people are being like bullied beyond belief. And then there's this character who's like emotionally unstable, we'll say and was slightly uh, she was pretty mean to some people and like I don't, it's, it's ugly. The, the fandom is ugly right now and it's it's scary.
Speaker 2:They want a kinder gentler love island well, so the whole love island is.
Speaker 1:Was not, didn't used to be like the rest of reality television, right?
Speaker 2:The.
Speaker 1:US was always worse because we're trashy people right. But it began in earnest, where people were there to try to make connections and we watched people fall in love and not fall in love and have fun in the summer and the sun being beautiful.
Speaker 1:That's what the show is. It's like fun vibes, beautiful people trying to date in a villa and it almost never works Right, but it's fun to watch. It has progressively become about clout chasing because all of these people go on to Instagram and fame and social media fame. So now it's like this season feels like everyone in that villa is just like how do I become more famous? How do I become more famous? How do I win these people? And it's just not fun. It's just not fun to watch. Anyhow, sorry I didn't mean to take over the podcast talking about Love Island again.
Speaker 2:That's why you should have us on there. That would be a great show To the reality.
Speaker 1:TV. There you go. We would make no connections.
Speaker 2:Tony, yeah, talk about something you like this week.
Speaker 1:So we started watching Jensen Ackles, my big man crush's brand new television show on Amazon Prime called Countdown. It's not good, it's not a good show, but we want to support him and we want to love him. I don't know why it's called Countdown. There doesn't really seem to be a countdown involved in the whole show. They are trying to stop some sort of bomb plot type of thing, but there's no like. There's no like. Well, we've got 12 hours before it goes off. The countdown's begun. They're just kind of running around Los Angeles right now and just doing stuff. I don't know, man. It's not a great show, but we're going to watch it. We're going to watch it all the way through.
Speaker 2:Even on a stupid show like 24, they realized it was about 24 one hour segments 24 was great.
Speaker 1:I loved 24.
Speaker 2:How many atomic bombs did they explode in Los Angeles? How many seasons were there again?
Speaker 1:Probably twice as many seasons, or twice as many bombs as seasons. That's what I would say.
Speaker 2:I've been listening to the Superman radio show.
Speaker 1:Like from the 1800s 1940.
Speaker 2:Oh wow, the radio show was on within two years of the comic of Superman being created.
Speaker 1:Wow, good for them.
Speaker 2:That's fast moving, you're ready for your mind to be blown?
Speaker 1:I'm ready Give it to me.
Speaker 2:The radio show invented kryptonite.
Speaker 1:Wait what.
Speaker 2:They invented the character Perry White and they invented the character Jimmy Olsen.
Speaker 1:No way Shut your mouth. That can't be true. Is that all true? All fucking true?
Speaker 2:Go look it up. That's incredible. The reason why they invented kryptonite was so that the guy playing Superman could have a break. So they would kryptonite him and then other characters would take care of stuff.
Speaker 1:First of all, that's amazing. It started as a plot device.
Speaker 2:That's incredible, I love that they took on the Ku Klux Klan from a guy that infiltrated the Ku Klux Klan and then they basically made the Ku Klux Klan. Wow, they basically made the Ku Klux Klan look like a joke, Uh-oh.
Speaker 1:I bet they loved that.
Speaker 2:They did not love that and it totally affected recruitment Because they're all like girl the secret society of the dipshits in the hoods and that made them look like they're the embarrassing clowns that they are.
Speaker 1:Look at that. I you know, art influencing society in a positive way. Yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 2:Not anymore.
Speaker 1:Not love island love island is doing the opposite.
Speaker 2:Yeah, tony, we need a bad movie to watch next week okay, I got.
Speaker 1:I got something for you, dan. All right. Speaking first of all, next Friday, a week from this Friday, july 18th, I'm very excited for a new movie that's coming out. It's called I Know what you Did Last Summer. They're bringing back some of the OGs Jennifer Love Hewitt's back, freddie Prinze is back. I mean, this movie's going to be great. Why are you giving me this face? What's going on?
Speaker 2:Freddie Prinze's face.
Speaker 1:You don't know what. This is Hard to look at. I forgot Long in the tooth, I believe is what you said.
Speaker 2:the last time we brought him up Long in the tooth.
Speaker 1:Friend of the podcast, Freddie Prinze Jr. He's got a new movie coming out?
Speaker 2:Sarah Michelle Gellar, yeah Is she gonna be in it.
Speaker 1:She's not coming back. She was murdered In the original.
Speaker 2:Could be her twin or her child, but she's not.
Speaker 1:She's not coming back, listen. So that movie's coming out Next Friday. So next week we are gonna watch the old sequel To I Know what you Did Last Summer, called I Still Know what you Did Last Summer, because we can't watch. I Know what you Did Last Summer because that movie is a perfect film.
Speaker 2:It's 100% in my book.
Speaker 1:I just watch it. We watch it every 4th of July. It's our 4th of July movie. That, and, jaws, we're going to watch the sequel. I Still Know what you Did Last Summer, which holds a wonderful three percent on rotten tomatoes it's like you can't learn a lesson, right, you know, it's like well 100.
Speaker 1:We made a perfect movie we're not doing that again now, if I remember correctly, jack black has a small part in this movie. It's been a while since I've seen this one. We do watch the first one every year, but I have not seen this in many years. But I think. I think jack black has a tiny part which I'm hoping to see but I, yeah. So to celebrate, I know what you did last summer, we're going back and watch and I still know what you did last summer, from 1998 wow now is the first one. Is that a?
Speaker 2:hook horror guy, guy with a hook.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's the same guy, so it's the same bad guy. I I mean the same. He's dressed the same, I guess. I don't know if it's the same person okay, it probably is I don't know it's been so long since I've seen this movie.
Speaker 2:Did well you've seen the first one, so you know what happened in the first one, the first one a bunch and what's who's what. What's the deal? Did they do something to this guy to make him angry?
Speaker 1:oh tan, uh yes, so I guess cliff the cliff, cliff Notes of I know you did last summer the original high school kids. They are, I think, it's graduation. They're having a party. They're a little, a little inebriated. They're driving in a remote we have a place. They run over someone, they kill him, they throw him in the ocean instead of calling because they're like, oh, we've been drinking.
Speaker 1:They're going to be in trouble so I throw him in the ocean and then a year later they all start getting little letters that say I know what you did last summer. Turns out you know that guy didn't really die and he's coming back to exact his revenge.
Speaker 2:So it's actually the dude. It's not like a setup.
Speaker 1:It's not like his mom or something. It's not like a setup. Yeah, it's not like his mom or?
Speaker 2:something.
Speaker 1:Nope, not in this one. I mean, there is a twist. I'm not going to say what the twist is but yeah, I got it. It's great. Okay, it's a great movie.
Speaker 2:Beautiful cast. Oh my God, Did they run over his hand? Is that why he has a hook, or did he have a hook before?
Speaker 1:No, he doesn't. It's not like a hook for a hand.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's not, it's the fisherman's, oh no. He's holding the hook. Oh, he has like a hook thing, so they do the urban?
Speaker 1:They talk about the urban legend of the hook hand man, which is just like a nod to the actual killer in the movie. But he's a fisherman and he's holding the hook. Yeah, but that's hilarious, okay, although I know I can't spoil it.
Speaker 2:They did run over his hand. They did run over his hand.
Speaker 1:No but they do. All right, I'm going to ruin it a little bit. If you haven't seen the end of the movie, close your eyes, nope ears. At the end of the movie they wrap his hand in a thing and then pull him up in a ship and then it tears off the hand. So he loses the hand at the end of the movie. That's how they beat him. But yeah, for the rest of the movie he should be allowed to kill them all.
Speaker 1:Well whoa Dan. Okay, calm down, you haven't seen it, you don't know the whole story. Okay, they run him over, he gets free killing.
Speaker 2:But they're beautiful people Ryan Phillippe, Sarah Michelle.
Speaker 1:Gellar, jennifer Love, hewitt, freddie Prinze Jr One of the best looking casts in cinema history, especially Freddie Prinze Long in the tooth.
Speaker 2:Okay, if you like what you hear, give us a subscription, give us a thumbs up, give us a like, give us a comment, all things you could do, and we'll be back, maybe next week, talking about I still know what you did last summer nailed it.
Speaker 1:Goodbye everybody. Hey, watch it with Dan and Tony. Hey, watch it with Dan and Tony. It's like watching hell.