Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
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Hate Watching Spaceman: Houston, We Have a Metaphor!
An astronaut floating alone six months into a year-long mission. A mysterious alien spider that appears out of nowhere. A marriage crumbling across the vast emptiness of space. Netflix's "Spaceman" promised profound cosmic revelations but delivered a beautiful yet frustratingly hollow meditation on human connection.
Adam Sandler stars as Jakob, a Czech astronaut studying a mysterious cloud near Jupiter while his pregnant wife Lenka (Carey Mulligan) contemplates leaving him back on Earth. When a giant talking spider named Hanuš (voiced by Paul Dano) materializes on his spacecraft, Jakob embarks on a psychological journey through memories and regrets rather than the stars. The film tantalizes with visual splendor – the zero-gravity sequences alone showcase remarkable technical achievement – but ultimately fails to answer its own existential questions.
What makes "Spaceman" so frustrating is how close it comes to profundity. Adapted from Jaroslav Kalfař's novel "Spaceman of Bohemia," the film strips away crucial context that would have heightened the stakes. In the book, Jakob's mission is explicitly suicidal, a redemptive sacrifice to restore his family's honor after his father's disgrace as a government informant. Without this framework, Jakob's journey feels aimless, his relationship problems trivial compared to the cosmic scale of his surroundings.
The film's greatest strength lies in its willingness to embrace ambiguity – is the spider real or a manifestation of Jakob's lonely mind? Does the mysterious cloud contain universal wisdom or merely reflect our own projections? Yet this same ambiguity becomes its downfall when extended to character motivations and narrative purpose. By the time Jakob reaches his emotional epiphany, we've spent too little time understanding who he was before to appreciate who he's become.
Have you ever felt disconnected from someone you love despite being physically close? How would that feeling magnify across millions of miles of empty space? Watch "Spaceman" for its visual poetry and committed performances, but prepare for an emotional journey that, like its protagonist, never quite reaches its destination.
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We should probably talk about this movie there's a lot to talk about.
Speaker 2:I don't have a lot to say, tony, you always have a lot to say, yeah, but usually I don't sleep through the whole movie.
Speaker 1:Welcome to Hate Watching with Dan and Tony. I'm Dan, I'm Tony. On this show we watch a movie Each week. One of us unless one of us is lazy and doesn't do anything one of us picks a movie and then we watch the movie. Then we talk about the movie. This week I got to pick the movie. I picked the Netflix movie which I guess was released a little bit in theaters.
Speaker 2:Adam Sandler, I didn't do any research A little bit.
Speaker 1:A little bit Called Spaceman An hour and 48 minutes, 2024. Maybe this one I was talking about this. I think this movie only had like 50 audience reviews.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's not very many. This movie only had like 50 audience reviews. Oh, that's not very many. I mean, at least the good news of that is it means it didn't upset a lot of people, because people weren't, you know, indignant Like let's go destroy the movie.
Speaker 1:Well, I think it's more that people didn't want to watch the movie and didn't watch the movie.
Speaker 2:To be fair, when you said this last last week, I had never heard of this movie before in my life. No, as as a netflix subscriber, not anymore. Uh, as an adam sandler fan, still to this day, I'd never heard of this movie. I don't know. I've watched, I feel like I've watched all of his other netflix movies and this one just never, never, even saw a trailer, never heard of it, never thought about it, never, never crossed my path I love this movie oh, dan, you know why I love this movie?
Speaker 1:because it's boring as fuck because of how much torture it did to you every minute. I watched this movie, I was like I could see t Tony rolling in pain and feeding his life.
Speaker 2:My eyes made so many loops, 360 all night, all night, just like, oh my God, this is ridiculous, oh I'm so important, oh I'm sending a message, oh, it's a metaphor. Oh my God, I hate this movie. Dude, it's a metaphor. Oh my God, I hate this movie dude.
Speaker 1:Oh, you know if you're going to make a movie that's like a metaphor and is a character study and journey. You got to have an idea about what it is. It's interesting because this movie, spaceman, is based on a book from 2017 called Spaceman in Bohemia. First time author, yeah that makes sense.
Speaker 1:A book that did pretty well and people cared about and so I was like man, I don't want to just read the plot synopsis of the book, because you know that never really helps you. You know it's just, it's usually too short and you can't get a. You know a three page, you know whatever that's called. When they you know when you're, when you're really making a movie you're supposed to do like three to five pages. That's like it's called something. I don't know what it's called treatment, treatment.
Speaker 1:So I found this lady that talked about the book for 22 minutes.
Speaker 2:Wow Okay.
Speaker 1:Perfect amount of talking about it. She talked about the themes, what happened, how interesting a book. This is what she said about the book. I think I wrote this down, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm glad you wrote it down.
Speaker 1:First thing she said about it this book was about a suicide mission. Really, Doesn't that change the entire context? Yeah, If this movie was a suicide mission. Wow, now you have a movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean it would make more sense. I mean he's gone for a year and I was like this lady's being real dramatic for a year he's been gone for six months he hasn't even been gone.
Speaker 1:No, no, I mean's being real dramatic. For a year he's been gone, for six months he hasn't even been gone. I mean the whole trip is a year.
Speaker 2:Yes, and she is so whiny this whole time I was like lady, get over it, he's an astronaut guy.
Speaker 1:It's a year, it's not even that long Six months your wife if you were gone for six months, she wouldn't even notice for the first three months.
Speaker 2:Three, Six months would pass and I'd come home and she'd be like wait, aren't you gone? That was six months ago.
Speaker 1:She'd be so sad. I thought you were in the guest room. I thought you were just having some private time in the guest room. Weren't you here the whole time? You haven't even left.
Speaker 2:Wait, no, you weren't gone so, okay, no, this that makes that actually makes a lot more sense.
Speaker 1:First of all, the reason why he goes to space is to redeem his name.
Speaker 2:They kind of mentioned that about his dad did something, and then they were like and the spider was like, oh, you want to redeem yourself. And then he were like and the spider was like, oh, you want to redeem yourself. And then he was like, not really. And then we moved on with the movie, never mentioned it again she also said there were way too many themes not in like a negative way, but just it just a lot going on took her a lot.
Speaker 1:You know, she she like flow, charted out the themes and she sort of showed it. She didn't like cut and paste it so you could see it.
Speaker 2:That's too bad. That would have been a great gimmick.
Speaker 1:Yes, she was just like. This movie crosses many genres and has many themes. Sure, cut out the too many and this movie tries to condense it down into a weird. He can't connect with human beings because his dad and so he can. He only sees you one time and then he doesn't ever talk to you again.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then he's got to learn to not do that, even though he doesn't learn to not do that.
Speaker 2:I'm going to posit a theory. He doesn't learn anything in this movie, and I will explain to you when we get to the part where he has learned his lesson. I'm going to prove categorically that that is false.
Speaker 1:And I mean that's the thing is. If you're, if you're adapting a book that has too many, and I mean that's the thing is, if you're adapting a book that has too many themes, or many, many themes, you gotta pick one and you can't.
Speaker 2:And hit it hard.
Speaker 1:You can't change it all. Yeah, yeah yeah, because it doesn't seem like you know this thing is about. You know a guy that can't connect and who saw a spark in someone his wife and then didn't really connect, then never got around to connecting with her because of childhood trauma, sort of yeah, blah, blah, blah, Sort of trauma, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah and they lost a baby and then that.
Speaker 2:But that he was, it seemed like he was being really good when they lost the baby and he was saying all the right things. Right, I mean, I get it, but he wasn't there, right.
Speaker 1:So that's a problem. He was gone there for the other baby, wasn't he?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, he was gone, yeah.
Speaker 1:So it's like and then, the spider was like.
Speaker 2:here's a memory of something you were never a part of, but you've thought about the memory, so it makes sense. This is a dumb movie. I didn't like a single minute of this movie, other than it's pretty. It's a good looking movie.
Speaker 1:It's shot really well. Yeah, you feel like you're on that spacecraft.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which I did not like.
Speaker 1:I was not a big fan. You get claustrophobic of the spaceship.
Speaker 2:It's not claustrophobic. I'm just like get me out of here. You know, and I understand that that sounds like claustrophobia, but it's not. I don't. I don't get claustrophobic. I can be in tiny spaces, but I'm just like I don't want to be. This isn't fun. I was like I want to do something and we didn't do a whole lot and then there was a lot of spinning, because he's not in gravity and I get very sick very easily. There was one shot where it's just him like spinning, spinning like this for two minutes With water spewing out.
Speaker 2:Or alcohol, something, there's droplets of something and I was like this is too much, I don't need this at all. I'm getting a little nauseous.
Speaker 1:That shot was kind of like gratuitous. You were like oh, sure. I mean, I have to assume they did they, you know, because they do these things by flying you in a plane. Right then, the plane drops.
Speaker 2:So I I looked it up. The way that they did this is he was in a harness and then they added effects and took away the harness. Basically, that was from my understanding I read, and that was the majority of the practical effects to it whoever made this, whoever did all that part of it?
Speaker 1:Academy.
Speaker 2:Award. Super good, yeah, yes, too bad.
Speaker 1:It's wasted in such a shit movie you know Only once or twice, when he'd be sort of sitting there, you'd be like, okay, this is not floating. They're not doing any floating, but when they did the floating it was flawless.
Speaker 2:And I also want to say Adam did a good job of like gently moving. So he was never, not never, but for the most part, even when he was like still, there was like a feeling of ethereal you know what I mean, like he was just kind of floating. It was really nicely done.
Speaker 1:Then there's his accent.
Speaker 2:Is there.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, there was at times.
Speaker 2:That's true. That's true. Every now and then they were like oh, do you remember that you're Czech and he's? Like oh sorry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I'll do it, I'll do it.
Speaker 2:This will be a Czech take. This is the one. This is the one. Use this one.
Speaker 1:And I mean, you know, I get it, but he's not a method actor, he's not a theater guy, he's not a disappear into the role kind of guy. I mean I thought, he did a good job of the role. Yeah, yeah, yeah, For sure. But the accent at times would drift in and you'd be like, oh no.
Speaker 2:Does he need to be?
Speaker 1:checked. Well, that's the whole thing, is the in the book we set up that this cloud has appeared, there's, so there's a space cloud out there that he is going to meet to analyze and that is, and in the book it's towards the sun, by venus, I think, and it's a suicide mission to go, and the Czech Republic does it to sort of, you know, say hey, we're the Czech Republic and sort of prove some autonomy to themselves and pride, and he goes on it as a suicide mission.
Speaker 2:Sure and so, but his motivation is to redeem his family name.
Speaker 1:Redeem his family name because his dad was a guy who worked with the communists and he informed on his neighbors and then eventually was killed. And so then you know, as a kid, Adam Sandler's character, Jakob, grew up with that shame. Okay, you know, set this up. You don't need us to figure it out over six and a half hours 100%.
Speaker 2:It was an interesting moment where he was like my father was a good man who did terrible things or something, and I was like it feels like he's already kind of at peace with it. You know what I mean, because he this is like he's a good man. He did some bad things but over I was good. That's like as bad, as healthy as you can look at that situation. No, so I didn't feel like he would really needed to grow in that area.
Speaker 1:Nope, that was and it didn't seem like those I it didn't seem like those were the wounds. I never figured out what the wounds were we don't know the wounds.
Speaker 2:We I never figured out what the wounds were. We don't know the wounds. We also don't really know the motivation, other than, like in this movie. To me he's just an astronaut doing astronaut things, because it's just a year-long mission Not even that long and he's going to come home and be a hero and be a national hero. And the wife's like man, you are a piece of shit. And be a national hero, and the wife's like man, you are a piece of shit. I don't know about that.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's talk about the movie. We start with a sort of dream sequence, which we continue on much later in the movie, which, of course, by then we'd pretty much forgotten about it. He's in a spacesuit walking down a river. I still forgot about it. Walking down a river, oh, right yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Walking down a river. Oh right yeah, yeah, yeah, Is this?
Speaker 1:a dream?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I guess it has something to do with the opera the Rasulca.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the opera's running. I wrote terrible classical music, terrible classical music. I hate classical music.
Speaker 2:Are you not an opera fan? You don't like it? Oh, okay, okay.
Speaker 1:Thumbs down.
Speaker 2:I've been to the opera one time in my life.
Speaker 2:We visited DC my senior year of high school for a class trip and we went and did an opera and you have to read I don't know if it's the same now, this was a while ago but you have to read the subtitles on a little TV screen while they're singing, because they're singing in Italian or whatever, and I was like this is the worst experience of my life. It's subtitles in live theater. That's like my least favorite thing in the world. So I've had a very anti-opera outlook since then, but musically I think it's quite beautiful there it is you like it.
Speaker 2:It's your favorite thing in the world. I would listen to it. I just don't care what they're saying, so I don't need the story. Just give me some very you know, some vibrato and some high tones. I'll be good, I'm good, there it is.
Speaker 1:So he has that weird dream. Then we, we set up, he's on the spacecraft by himself, he's talking to the, he's talking to the um mission control, control, and they have him go and-. Kuthrapali, what.
Speaker 2:That's Rajesh Kuthrapali, the character from the Big Bang Theory. That's who he talks to through the whole movie.
Speaker 1:That's the Big Bang Theory, dude.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the guy from Big Bang Theory, Isn't he great? He's good in this. I was really impressed. Yeah, he's good Very very believable as a human being, being, which is not, you know, big Bang, so I thought that was, that was great, good for him.
Speaker 1:I mean, like I said, adam Sandler, if you just skip the accent he played it great, 100%, yeah, yeah no, he's, I mean yeah, listen.
Speaker 2:Adam Sandler can act, he can act.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:He's a good actor, he can't choose movies, I guess, but he can act.
Speaker 1:I mean this movie. It like it seems like it could work, but it becomes so droney and draggy and doesn't make a real point.
Speaker 2:You know it's like you gotta make it. Don't tell them that, Cause I I believe that they think they're making some great points. Oh yeah, I think this is the most, one of the most self-indulgent movies we've watched together.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, oh God, yes, they are in love with their words and they're in love with their choices. What do you?
Speaker 2:call it Self-flating, is that?
Speaker 1:how you say it Self-flating.
Speaker 2:That's what.
Speaker 1:I say Self-flatio. Okay, so he talks back to Earth. There's the president of Czechoslovakia, played by what's her name, isabella.
Speaker 2:Rossellini. Rossellini From Friends fame. Don't think so. You don't remember that episode of Friends. Let me break this down to you, because this is way better than the movie that we're talking about?
Speaker 1:No, we're not talking about this.
Speaker 2:So there's an episode where they're making their celebrity lists five people that you're allowed to sleep with if you ever meet them. And he was going to put Isabella Russellini on his list Ross was and then someone talks him out of it. And then he meets her at the coffee shop and she's like, well, let me see the list. And then she's not on the list. It's a great scene, man. You should watch friends more no, never, I think.
Speaker 1:I think I watched like the first and maybe second season and then it was oh, you don't like friends, it was okay. I mean it's fine, it's, it's the best show ever made you know, I sat down and I watched the first 12 minutes 13 minutes of, uh, nathan Lane's new show oh yeah, mid-century Modern, because you talked about it. He's great, you watch it and you're just like he can get everything out of every line.
Speaker 1:Every line you give him, he's like I'm getting 100%. The other guy was good, the young guy was oh, he's bad.
Speaker 2:Oh my yeah, matt Bomber the handsome one was good. The young guy was oh, he's bad. Oh my yeah, matt bomber the the handsome one. Who is that guy? So he's from, uh, he's from, a usa show. In the vein of psych it's called suits.
Speaker 2:Oh he's not suits sorry, not suits white collar, my mistake, everybody. Uh, he was a show called white collar um and I don't like that show very much and he's not great in that show. And then when he was in this show I was like maybe this is his avenue, because he's like this really great guy. Everyone, everyone in hollywood's like he's the nicest guy in the world, everybody loves him, that works him and I just I'm rooting for him so badly. And then we watched. We watched the show he is, he's bad. He's not even. He's not even like in that realm where it's like I mean he's fine, he show he's bad. He's not even in that realm where it's like I mean he's fine, he's bad, he's bad. He can't land a line. He's got no comic time, he's pretty sure. But woof dude, it's brutal, it's rough, it's very rough yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh well, yeah, because the other guy, nathan Lane's unbelievable Nathan Lane, unbelievable Other dude, good, matt Bomber is just like Matt Bomber.
Speaker 2:He's so bad, but Nathan Lane was worth me watching all 10 episodes. He is a treasure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but yeah, they got to the here's where we're going to embarrass the lead part of the show, and then I was like I'm out.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's right.
Speaker 1:You hate that, don't need to do that. Okay, need to do that, okay, so he's out there. He's uh been going for 189 days. Uh, here's the big cloud. He's gonna get the thing we got. We set up the time in one week. He's gonna be there, so we got one week to run the movie perfect, um. And this little girl's all like uh. He talks to him and says you're the loneliest man in the world. Well, he's not in the world, he's off the lump, but whatever.
Speaker 2:That would have been a funny retort. That's what Adam should have said.
Speaker 1:That's what the lady talking about the book also said. She's like it's comedic at times.
Speaker 2:Wasn't this one? No, the book. Yeah, there's some comedy in there. And then we decided to make a movie with Adam Sandler and remove all semblance of comedy.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, that's a choice, huh.
Speaker 1:Oh, boy Because that's what the movie's about is, you're the loneliest man in the world. He's like no, no, I'm not Subtext, I am completely the loneliest man in the world.
Speaker 2:You're so right, little girl. You see me and okay, you're so right. You're so right, little girl.
Speaker 1:You see me and okay. Well, if that's your premise, he's the loneliest man in the world. We have to really see that in his relationship with his wife, right?
Speaker 2:Or the spider, or at all. He doesn't seem.
Speaker 1:I don't know, he just seems kind of morose, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, he's just kind of like I'm so bored, I'm so bummed, I don't want to do this anymore. He doesn't feel like where I. I need some sort of human connection. He should be trying to talk to kuthr pauli more, you know, trying to build a relationship, and kuthr paul is just doing his job and he's like I, I gotta go, man, I have a job to do. Get, get back to work, you piece of shit. You lazy cosmonaut.
Speaker 1:Uh, I don't know man uh, and then we talk about his wife lenka. He has a special speed of light phone which is different than the way they communicate here, so they has like two different ways. She has a special like phone booth in her house, you know, because of course if you're really that far out there's a big lag right and so they don't want to have that lag.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not even that bad anymore. We did an interview with the astronauts that were up I don't know a couple months ago or whatever, and it's there, but it's not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but they're not out by Jupiter.
Speaker 2:That's true. They're not as far they should be, though That'd be cool we it should be, though That'd be cool we should get there.
Speaker 1:It would be minutes long. I believe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but again, minutes isn't that bad.
Speaker 1:No, you would probably just leave a thing, and then the person would it'd be like that and once again, that would set up his communication with the wife and make it really interesting, right? Sure, if he was having to compose a thing of a certain size and then throw that ball to her and then wait.
Speaker 1:And then wait. That's very much more interesting, because waiting is a thing that can be incredibly painful to the human being and we never even. You know he's kind of waiting for her call, sort of. But then they're like, hey, she's kind of this.
Speaker 2:Sort of, but more. He's just like hey guys, her phone's not working, I think, because she definitely would call me back. And she's not calling me back, Can you check in on her? I saw the cone yeah. Sweet little baby wearing a little cone.
Speaker 1:Don't act like that's fun Okay. Then we set up this weird thing where he has to do like ad runs for like products that help pay for the trip which is one of the only ideas I like what? Uh-oh, uh-oh, we cut out for a second. Did I lose you, dan? I'm still here. I'm still here, I'm still here I'm still here.
Speaker 2:I'm still here too okay.
Speaker 1:So they set up this thing where he has to do ad runs for these products because that's how they paid for the trip. They do it like three times and it never really adds up to anything.
Speaker 2:No, and I'm I'm bummed because I actually love this idea. I think this is something that would be really fun to play with. Is, you know, the loneliest man on earth having to hawk products while he's hating his life Like I know? That's a very interesting premise that we don't, we don't care about. Do they do that in the book?
Speaker 1:I have to assume they do and it's probably fun in the book because that would be really interesting to have him have to. Okay, do the face. We got to do a little makeup. We got to get you in the good light. Oh yeah, we don't want that, but all the mess that's behind you there, okay, go, you can just make that like what this guy's going through and he's all like if he was on a suicide mission and he was having to do ad runs ad bits. That's heavy, that's heavier than anything in this whole movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right Kids.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I may not be back. No, that would be dark.
Speaker 1:You get to be back on Earth and you should be taking care of your teeth. I don't have to take care of my teeth because I don't know if I'm going to live. This is interesting. That would be dark.
Speaker 2:I like it. That would be dark. I like it, that would be dark. Okay, do you think that in the book? Not to spoil the ending, but I am very curious. Do you think he gets rescued in the book or do you think he dies in the book?
Speaker 1:I will tell should I tell you exactly what happens in the book I want you to tell me exactly verbatim what happens in the book there is no, so in this movie. Okay, let me, let me ask you a couple questions did you think that this was a life or death thing, that he had to go out there to figure out what the fuck was going on with this thing because of danger to earth.
Speaker 2:No, oh, I thought that initially I thought that they were worried about it. I didn't think that they, because they don't seem to know what it is, but they're worried about it. Yeah, okay. Yes, they were worried about it. I didn't think that they, because they don't seem to know what it is, but they're worried about it. Yeah, okay, yes, they're worried about it, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:I felt that they were worried about it. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, they don't know what it's going to do.
Speaker 1:But like the idea that and what we're going to find out, with a gun five feet away from her, pointing a gun at her head.
Speaker 2:You have to talk to this guy because he's losing his mind, and we need this to work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can stop talking to him in a week after he fucking gets to the cloud On the way back.
Speaker 2:Who cares? He can kill himself on the way back. We just need the information.
Speaker 1:Yes, cares like he can kill himself on the way back. We just need the information. Yes, you know, if you're gonna set up a tension like that, which they, they sort of want it sort of, you either have to do it or not. Do it one way or the other. You know, you have to explain to this woman. It's not about this one man, it's about something bigger than that it's's about the Earth right now.
Speaker 2:This is bigger than your relationship. Suck it up for 12 days and then you can do whatever you want to do. I don't care. Leave his dumb ass you are stopping talking to him right at the critical point of the mission. So we're going to need you to just finish this out.
Speaker 1:And at a certain point we realize that there's, I think, a South Korean ship.
Speaker 2:A day or two behind him, if that they seem real close.
Speaker 1:So you're like, oh so what he's doing doesn't really even mean anything.
Speaker 2:Doesn't matter at all. No, not at all.
Speaker 1:You've taken away all the stakes of this flight, meaning something?
Speaker 1:Yes meeting something. Yes, so in this movie he gets away from his ship and then he goes into the cloud and then he goes out of the cloud and he gets rescued by I assume was a South Korean ship. Yes, In the movie he's going. I mean, in the book he's going. All it's a suicide mission. He's not supposed to come back, he's by himself. There is no other ship. Whatever happens I don't know what she didn't say, what happens in the cloud? Because, sure, he gets rescued by a Russian ship that is in. They launched in secret. Oh, the Russian ship takes him back to Earth, but they're going to kill him. Oh, but one guy takes pity on him or whatever, lets him go. When they get back to earth he escapes, doesn't go back to. The wife, thinks that she would live a better life without him okay.
Speaker 2:So the good news is I actually that is where I believe he is at the end of this movie. Anyhow, he just thinks that he wants to be with her because he's you know, I'm so lonely. But really he doesn't want to be with the wife, straight up, he doesn't want to be with her. Oh, really.
Speaker 1:You think that character does not want to be with that wife.
Speaker 2:I think he's incapable of truly loving somebody and I think what the spider really shows him is the fact that she would be better off if he wasn't in her life. Yeah, really yeah, because he's a piece of shit. She's there for him every step of the way and he's like I don't care about you, I don't like you, I'm talking about myself, blah blah, I'm gonna go to space, blah, blah, yeah. Like the spider's, like how could you not expect her to hate you? And then his answer is is oh, I'll just love her. No, no, too late guy. The answer is you fucked up. She doesn't love you anymore and you never truly loved her. Just move on.
Speaker 1:Move on. He fell in love with her when she kissed him, and that was it.
Speaker 2:After that, he never really he lusted her because he's probably never been with a woman in his life.
Speaker 1:Adam Sandler not the most attractive guy on the planet.
Speaker 2:Especially in this movie. I mean, I don't know if it's makeup or if he kind of just starved himself for a while, but he's gaunt. You know what I mean? It looks about what I'd expect from a guy in space for a while. Yeah. I don't know, losing bone density, all kinds of terrible things and he has the saddest eyes you're ever gonna see. What is? Is he acting or is something? Is something going on with adam, because he looks so sad all the time?
Speaker 1:I think he is kind of a sad guy. I get that from him, I get that vibe from him.
Speaker 2:I think yeah, I think his tears of the clown a little bit with him sure I'm excited to see happy gilmore and to see if it's you know like, because there's people that are like sad eyes with a smile and that's always. The most depressing thing in the world for me is when you're you're smiling, but I know you're really sad. I'm hoping that that's not the case with happy gilmore and he, like he's joyous again.
Speaker 1:But I'm worried. Is that what I am, tony? What am I?
Speaker 2:I've never seen you smile before, dan you're just, you're just angry all the time angry?
Speaker 1:I'm not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're angry no, I'm hateful not angry oh, I'm yeah, you're right. No, you're right, it's more outward.
Speaker 1:You're right, hateful uh you know, how to make me happy um okay, make me happy uh, world's loudest toilet.
Speaker 2:The toilet's loud, they can't fix this toilet what, what is this bit, or, I guess, bits even. They're all works. It's not funny. But like what is this story, the through line?
Speaker 1:I don't, I don't know, I don't get it I mean, it's about that whole thing where it's like it's the most annoying thing in the world and you can't fix it right. You fix it and it just breaks again and you wake up and you can't sleep because of the noise the toilet that's just such a very specific thing to me and I just couldn't figure out why.
Speaker 2:Why is it the shitter, you know?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:Is that also a metaphor, or an allegory, or an analogy? I don't know the difference between any of those three words, by the way, so I just use them interchangeably.
Speaker 1:No, I don't know, and the space spider loves the sound of the toilet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and why is that?
Speaker 1:Maybe the space spider. You know, because the space spider when it comes along says I was studying you and then I decided to come inside and you know there's a lot of debate as to whether the spider is him or it's actually a thing, you know. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2:I figured it out, you figured out what the space spider is.
Speaker 1:Are you ready?
Speaker 2:for this dan you're gonna love this. This is right up dan goodsell's alley, the spider yeah is adam sandler's shit, all right. So the bathroom backed up, it's his poop and he's just talking to floating poop right now and he's in his head. He's made a creature out of it's really because the bathroom's there's, the movie Fixed it Roll credits.
Speaker 1:He tries to call his wife. Wife doesn't answer. He takes sleep drops. He wakes up to the noise of the toilet and then he has this dream that there's like a bug in his eye and then it's in his face. Then he wakes up from that.
Speaker 2:I didn't like that dream, but it was one of the most interesting things that they do in the movie.
Speaker 1:It doesn't feel like it connects to anything else in the movie. Nope.
Speaker 2:Nope, not to me, but it wasn't like it didn't seem to mean anything to the movie. I don't know, creepy as fuck. Yeah, yeah, it really, really got under my skin, as it were.
Speaker 1:He tries to call Lenka, Somebody else answers and he's like who is this? I don't know what that was about.
Speaker 2:The spider answers. Oh, the spider answered, or talks to him and he thinks it's on the phone.
Speaker 1:So he calls ground control Peter's bro and he's like I'll look into it. Lenka goes and visits. Oh, they tell him Lenka's off visiting her mother. Fine, he's hearing all these noises. He's playing with his snacks. His toilet goes off, he goes in there and then there is the spider. So this thing that's the alien, or it's his subconscious or it's some part of his brain, is personified as this big sort of Brown, hairy spider, yeah, who he names Hanush later on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and there was a story to that that I didn't understand. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So now, now he's got a spider.
Speaker 2:How do you feel about Paul Dano Dano?
Speaker 1:Dano. I mean it's fine, he's fine, yeah, about.
Speaker 2:Paul Dano, dano Dano. I mean, it's fine, he's fine. Yeah, I just wish it was something.
Speaker 1:The spider looked good, it was good design, it looked great at all times Again it's a good looking movie.
Speaker 2:I will never fault it for visuals.
Speaker 1:I find it incredibly uninteresting that it's a spider. That doesn't mean anything to me. If it was something you didn't mean anything to me. If it was something you know like you didn't get the allegory there it is no, no wait.
Speaker 2:If it was something, what were you gonna say? I want to hear your idea.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I just I would rather it was just. I mean, I understand, probably in the book it's a spider, but I'd rather it was just an alien. Oh sure, yeah, and because, it being a spider, if I'm in there and I see the spider I'm going to be like. That's my question.
Speaker 2:Right, that's my that's my number one question.
Speaker 1:I'm going to be like I don't fucking understand how you can be a spider. Hang on.
Speaker 2:You're a spider. How are you alive in space? What's the spider part of you that can breathe in space? How did you get to my ship, spider man?
Speaker 1:part of you that can breathe in space. Yeah, how did you get to my ship, spider man? And when he starts telling you know me this, all this stuff about you know how his planet got invaded by the guptas or the bloop does or the noop does, or whatever it is, it's it's gupa gupa did something yeah, it's like wait a second.
Speaker 1:I mean, are you just floating through space? Are you a consciousness? Why? Why am I seeing you? You know, it seems like he's just floating through space. Are you a consciousness? Why am I seeing you? Seems like he's just floating through space. Yeah, he accepts the spider after kind of this first scene and I'm just like no you're going to have to explain to me why you're a spider. It's like you know. Yeah, as someone who has hallucinated in life, you taking those shrooms Dan.
Speaker 1:No, just in general life. I understand hallucination. See what my hallucinations are. I'll walk around a corner and I'll look and I'll see a person and then I'll realize it's a tree. Yeah, and the same tree I always see as this person all all the time.
Speaker 2:you know, I, if I look directly at it, I know it's a tree or whatever well, you're not gonna like what I'm about to tell you, dan, but that's you seeing a ghost, you're seeing through the veil no, what it is is yeah, you are.
Speaker 1:My brain is mapping onto that image and somewhere in my image I saw a person in my life that's exactly the same shape as that and it maps that on there because I used to see at my parents house when we were staying there. I see ghost cats just in my peripheral, because you can see through the vent.
Speaker 2:You're seeing ghost cats, dan, and that person by the tree was hung at that tree for sure, and they haunt the tree that you're seeing ghosts. I don't know what to tell you, bud. Bud, you're seeing the other side.
Speaker 1:They planted that tree while I've lived here, so there were no hangings at that tree, tony.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, they were murdered beforehand. All right, I guess my compass is a little off, but you're seeing ghosts, bud.
Speaker 1:What I'm seeing is I'm seeing old memories and that's the thing it's like.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, other people's old memories, they're called ghosts. All right, I'm sorry, get to it.
Speaker 1:Oh, why don't you tell me about my spirituality, tony, jesus Christ? Whatever the point is, you know you have this thing that you can talk to, and I mean the spider says it later. The spider's, like you, never ask me any questions about me, and I mean that's, that's who this adam sandler character is. He's yeah he is not intellectually curious and guess what?
Speaker 2:that isn't solved by the end of the movie, as much as they want you to think. Oh, now I'm going to be thoughtful and I love you. I can't believe I haven't treated you correctly. No, no. He is at the point where he's like I've got nothing left. I need this person, I. It has nothing to do with him loving her. He needs her.
Speaker 1:Totally different things, yeah so he tries to fumigate the thing and, um, the spider disappears. Then he start, now he starts having these memories you know the wife in like a flower field and then the the spider starts sort of talking to him uh, he sent your fear. Then the spider sneezes on him and gets spiders not all over the the why is that something that happens? Because it probably in the book. It was funny you think so?
Speaker 2:oh, you know what? I'll buy it. Who knows, stranger things have happened.
Speaker 1:I mean, can you imagine you, tony, are in a spacesuit talking to an extraterrestrial spider and the spider sneezes all over your faceplate of your spacesuit? How would you react to that? I'd be very upset. Would you be lonely and maudlin?
Speaker 2:No, no, I'd be yelling at the spider. He could have sneezed in any direction other than the one direction that now prohibits me from seeing anything at all.
Speaker 1:What the fuck, spider? Why you sneezing on me? I tried to kill you. Okay, I tried to kill you.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, oh sure, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 1:But you gotta sneeze on me. What's the matter for you?
Speaker 2:What's the matter, you spider?
Speaker 1:Okay, the spider's like. I'm as real as you are, but you're not allowed to touch me, Except at the end. They do some touching.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, they do a weird six, eight. How many legs do spiders have?
Speaker 1:Eight, eight-legged hug Last, I look it's eight, he gets out of the suit and the spider explains his sort of bit. I am an explorer. I studied Earth. Your loneliness intrigued me, and so I came inside. But I'll leave you alone.
Speaker 2:So he just explores naked.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:How do you enter an atmosphere?
Speaker 1:Adam Sandler's character, incapable of asking an actual, useful question. That's the character they've set up in the book and in the movie I don't. He comes back from space after a year. He doesn't even say to his wife how you been.
Speaker 1:Because he does not care Now do they play one of his videos of what he sent to her? Do we ever get it? Because we never have an interaction between them where we can analyze who he is right, Like if somebody was trying to analyze you and me, they would watch one of these videos and they would understand our relationship Pretty quickly, pretty fast. Alpha beta, you know it's like man. Watch one of these videos and they would understand our relationship pretty fast. Alpha beta, you know it's like man. I believe the word is cock.
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't know well you know, you could draw a lot, of, a lot of inferences about what our relationship is. I don't want to know what they are. Don't leave them in the comments, because I don't care. Let's sound off in the comments, friends, let's get this going, but that's the whole thing is you see a relationship that occurs when you see two people you know, you see like a couple out in public, you know for the first time and you're all like oh, that's how these two are.
Speaker 2:That's people. Watching is the best. I don't even have to know them. I just like to judge people based on the interactions I see at the mall. That's a fun game.
Speaker 1:My wife and I sit on the couch and we will dissect people endlessly.
Speaker 2:That's why reality TV is fun. Don't get me wrong, that's all we do.
Speaker 1:We are all amateur serial killer profilers. For sure, and we sit on our couches and we do it 24-7, and we're always right.
Speaker 2:You're on your couch 24-7?. I'm so jealous, Dan.
Speaker 1:I never leave that couch, just for this Coming on this couch.
Speaker 2:I'm honored. I'm honored that this is the special couch.
Speaker 1:This room is my spaceship out to Jupiter. Shannon's like can we get you out of there so that you can talk to me? I'm like nope, I'm on my spaceship talking to my spider, not going to talk to you. Sorry, I'll call you on the space phone later, not talking to you now.
Speaker 2:Maybe we won't talk Maybe. Yeah, because there's a point where the wife is like talks about their phone calls and how much silence there is, right, oh, does she say that at one point? I swear she's like you hear the silence. Now when I say it it sounds dumb. So now I don't know.
Speaker 1:No, no, that sounds like something she would have said.
Speaker 2:I thought she did.
Speaker 1:You know, I think there's a point at which you know she's like you know, ask me something. You know like, yeah, yeah, you want to know how my day was. It's one of those things. And that's the thing about relationships if you have drifted into the relationship and you can change your relationships, right, you know, because I'm a I'm a horrible gaslighter and I have to. I have to get shannon yells at me and I have to control myself because I, you know, I'm like well, you're never going to learn a lesson unless I gaslight you and learn less.
Speaker 2:It's for your own good.
Speaker 1:Okay, I always think it's for your own good. But you know, sometimes you got to turn the dial down because you go too far.
Speaker 2:Sure sure, Not everybody needs the lesson. You know what I mean. Not every time, Dan.
Speaker 1:Well, they do need the lesson, but they don't want it.
Speaker 2:They're not going to receive it either way, so all you're going to do is upset them. That's all they ever do, okay.
Speaker 1:I'll leave you alone, okay. Wife visits her friend and the friend is just like maybe it's her mom, I don't know. Hard to be sure it's Lena Olin. We don't, we don't. And that's the thing about this movie is just say have a walk in and go. Hey, mom, you know do something, yeah, mommy he's being mean to me.
Speaker 1:Just oh, daughter, you know things like that do a little something, because we don't know, because we say they say she's going to visit her mom. We don't know that that's true, because we know that they're lying to him exactly, and they're both, you know, pretty old. So it's hard, it's hard to know. Well, okay, the wife is played by carrie mulligan. Okay, you know what that means. I don't know what that means.
Speaker 2:I don't know what that means. What does it mean? She looks older than she is. Oh, that's just a thing. Yeah, that's something we all know about Carey Mulligan. Okay.
Speaker 1:I pointed it out before, and let's assume it's the mom. The mom's like it's kind of a crazy time to leave him because she's pregnant too. Right. She's like probably six months and three days.
Speaker 2:So he, like he sees her. So was it the last day that they just kind of boned and then he left. So really was their relationship that bad.
Speaker 1:Come on All right, wants to sleep with that sad sack. We cut back the spider's back. I guess you know, I guess he's not leaving. He wants to try eggs, and then he's like we don't have any eggs. So he gives him chocolate and um, he likes the chocolate yeah, I mean, who doesn't?
Speaker 2:yeah? Um, I was in a room the other day I really thought, wow, good to know I was at work and we had cake because it was somebody's birthday and there were six people in this room. Three of them said no, thank you, I don't like chocolate. That feels like a high percentage of people in one room that don't like chocolate it was weird to me.
Speaker 1:Was it a chocolate cake with chocolate frosting?
Speaker 2:no, it was a vanilla cake with chocolate frosting, which is my favorite. That's a great. It was a vanilla cake with chocolate frosting, which is my favorite. That's a great combination.
Speaker 1:It's an incredible combination Did they take vanilla, thank you. Did they peel the vanilla cake? I?
Speaker 2:convinced one of them to eat the cake but sliver off the frosting onto my cake. So I had two layers of frosting on my cake, which was pretty good. So it worked out for me. I was just shocked by the sheer volume of people that didn't like chocolate in one room it was weird.
Speaker 1:See, I have to have the perfect frosting cake ratio and usually they put too much frosting on so you want to like scrapes it off on the side but keep some of it?
Speaker 2:yeah, that's fine, we would get along because I would just spoon that off your plate no, I know you would like an animal.
Speaker 1:Um, I think I would just spoon that off your plate.
Speaker 2:No, I know you would Like an animal. I would just dip my finger right in it, scrape around the edge, perfect, like an animal.
Speaker 1:So the spider says that he traveled here through time and black holes.
Speaker 2:Right, and that doesn't make sense, dan. So the wife? What little I know about black holes, I don't think that's how they work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Um wife goes to house to live so she told some story about some house where some sort of I thought it was pregnant group home, pregnant, beaten women or something it was like.
Speaker 2:I don't know, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:But she finally goes to this house. It's like fucking mansion and the swimming pool and it's like I would like to go to this house and 20 pregnant women, so that sounds like a lot of work. That would be a lot of emotional work being in a place with 20.
Speaker 2:I've never been anywhere near a pregnant woman, but I have to imagine it's terrible it's got to be, Got to be those near a pregnant woman, but I have to imagine it's terrible it's gotta be. Those hormones are out of control, Not in a bad way, but just you know it's tough. I imagine not being one.
Speaker 1:Now I'm like he's trying to get in touch with her and this is the line I wrote. He was glad she was sad after they lost their first kid. Sure? What the fuck does that mean?
Speaker 2:that means you're I don't know what that means, I don't know who said it, but like was he. Maybe he was like relieved that they don't have a child, you know yeah, I don't remember.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, okay, oh wait, oh shit, I skipped page two.
Speaker 2:That happens later a whole page oh boy the wife is pregnant.
Speaker 1:Uh, yeah, I thought she got to that house pretty quick.
Speaker 2:I was like she's already going to the house.
Speaker 1:She goes to the house later the president is going to talk to her by helicopter, and then we start doing things about the cloud. The spider explains that the cloud holds wisdom. There's particles from the beginning, and then he's like your memories are. And then we do a memory about when the wife because the wife proposed to him, I guess in this I guess yeah it's.
Speaker 1:I guess she was like I gotta take you to this special place and then you go there and it's just like a place that there's like some lights on the wall, pretty cool was it cool?
Speaker 2:well, maybe I mean listen, I've never been in the czech republic. Maybe that's like what can is considered cool, I don't know that's like the big.
Speaker 1:Here it is. This one room is like three lights. Enjoy, we'll come pick you up. That is, this is amazing two and a half hours later, we're gonna come pick you up enjoy like two and a half hours um, and then he, then the spider. Spiders, like your memories are making me depressed. Uh, okay, we go back to the wife. The wife says he can't see me, he just sees dust. I loved him because I he was ambitious. I was wrong for loving him.
Speaker 2:Right and all of that's kind of confusing, is he?
Speaker 1:ambitious. We never see him being ambitious for one microsecond. Never for one microsecond.
Speaker 2:It's hard to trust what people say in this movie because we don't see any of that in reality. It's very confusing to me.
Speaker 1:That's what you do in act one. You see the person as they are right, because that's what I mean. And if that's who he is, we got to see him on the last day right, they have sex. Yeah, he's this man, they did he's, he's striding up the thing. Boom, boom, boom. We have 10 minutes where we launch. Then we do a thing that says six months later and we meet the man who has A shell of his former self A shell of what he used to be.
Speaker 1:We see that he they tell him that this is a suicide mission and he's like President, I am doing this because this needs to be done, because this, that, and then we find out this was all a front for him because of his childhood trauma with the dad and he has made these choices and dragged this poor wife and this new child into it and he has to figure out that he needs to let them go so that they could have the good life that they need to have without all makes sense to me, and this seems like it's what's in the book I yeah, I listen if I read books.
Speaker 1:Maybe I'd read it and tell you, but I've been reading the same book for like six months now he gives a spider a name hanush, then we get this whole story about the first guy who built an astronomical clock and his name was Hanush. Yeah, okay, don't you want to look into that astronomical clock.
Speaker 2:I don't you want me to. Yes, hold on.
Speaker 1:That's your thing, you want me to? Yes, hold on, that's true, that's your thing. And then we have the sort of set up the spiders like, oh, you and your wife are star-crossed lovers. And then he's like, where did the love go? And it's like, well, love didn't go anywhere because it was never there. Okay, we do some stuff with the dad because he was a pig farmer. Um, he runs each day, so that he avoids wait a second hold.
Speaker 1:Let's take a quick pause here, dan oh, we're getting into the history of the astronomical clock of jekyll I'm looking at the history of the astronomical clock and it seems that it was not built by Hanush.
Speaker 2:Who's Hanush then? 80 years after initial construction. 80 years later, the legendary master Hanush rebuilt the clock. So he just kind of iterated on someone else's design from 80 years ago and, as the legend goes, the counselors had him blinded so that he would not be able to build another instrument greater than the Prague astronomical clock. So you know, it ended badly for him. It seems I am confused on the store. Is this the story we heard in the movie? I feel like it's not.
Speaker 1:Maybe it was. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2:He built a clock and then was blinded so that he couldn't build anything better than that, because they're like no, this is as high as we go, this is as good as Prague gets. Guy, you better stop yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't know. Okay, so he runs and then the spider's like you chose to flee your planet. Tell me about your father. Then we get the whole sort of his dad was an informant and he's doing this to atone for his father's sins. Okay, the president gets to see the wife and then she's basically like we didn't give him your message of breaking up with him, because she recorded a message breaking up with him. She's like we didn't give him your message of breaking up with him Cause she wrote it, she recorded a message breaking up with him. She's like we didn't give that to to him and she's all like don't worry about him, he'll be fine, which is kind of true.
Speaker 1:Whether or not this spider is real or not, he conjured up a spider to get him through the tough parts, as opposed to, you know, really changing.
Speaker 2:Cause he does, he doesn't change the movie.
Speaker 1:The end of the movie is bullshit. He's not doing well, he's missing you. And then she's like, well, then he shouldn't have left.
Speaker 2:And I mean, I really hated her through most of the movie Because it's a year.
Speaker 1:It's pretty not pretty not cool to be blowing up this guy that's out in space.
Speaker 2:Not cool to be blowing up this guy that's out in space. It's obviously a big year being pregnant at all and that's unfortunate, but it does seem like the timing of that couldn't really be helped. You know what I mean, because it's not like he, they got pregnant and then he was like you know what, tomorrow I think I'm gonna leave. That was already a plan. So whether or not he knew she was pregnant before he left, like you can't just be like, oh, by the way, astronaut people, I'm not going. I know we've been training for this mission for three years. I'm not going.
Speaker 1:So it just feels a little unfair, that she's like all all mad all of a sudden and I don't know, just stick it out a year yeah, it's because you see it in war movies too, where the women break up with the dudes while they're overseas and it's like just keep sending him letters to keep him going and, you know, nip out and then when he gets back, just be like peace out idiot. Sorry I married this other guy while you were gone and then he's all like, wait, what it's like?
Speaker 2:yeah sorry, it's not that long. You know what I mean. Like a year goes real quick. The older we get, the faster time goes. I don't know how that really works out, but that's how it feels. So like she's 50, right, I mean her year is like two weeks, he's 70.
Speaker 1:How old is Adam Sandler? He can't be.
Speaker 2:He's not 70. That can't be right, adam Sandler. He's 58. So well, I mean he's up there.
Speaker 1:Man, he's younger than me, Spry young and look I look better than him, right Well, in this movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, he looks better when he's got the face.
Speaker 2:He's got the face. Yeah, when he loses that face, oh boy.
Speaker 1:Okay, it, he's got the face. Yeah, when he loses that face, oh boy, okay, it's 45 hours to go, you're gonna be there. First he does a test. It goes well. This weird old conversation with his wife replays out of this projector and her eyes like going bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep. That that I hate I hated that.
Speaker 2:I don't get it.
Speaker 1:I don't know, and then it was about leaving or something. And then boom, one of the space particles is in the spaceship and this is the first time we see him really be who. He is Right, this is him. He gets enthusiastic, he goes and finds a container to try and capture it. It flies right out of the thing. He sucks it up in the toilet. Then he tries to call Peter and he can't get through to Peter. Then there's more particles. You're like this is who he is. He's not fighting this hard for the wife Nope, sure ain't. He's not fighting this hard for the wife Nope, sure ain't. He's just moping around about the wife.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which is boring.
Speaker 1:And then we cut to the wife and the wife sees a spider on the curtain and then she puts her finger out so the spider can crawl on her. Tony, do you do that when you see spiders in your house?
Speaker 2:Are you kidding me, tony? Do you do that when you see spiders in your house? Are you kidding me? I would have a shoe in my hand in less than three seconds and that son of a bitch is going down All right. No spiders in my house.
Speaker 1:Didn't you have spiders on your landing or something and you had to go through them and they would try to kill you? Or was that Harrison, what I think that was at harrison's old place he had like a spider infestation like.
Speaker 2:Oh no, no, that was me, that was we had black widows on our oh god, so we have. I live in an apartment complex and there's one of those dial things you know where you have to put in the code. There was a nest of black black widow spiders underneath the thing and they would come out at night and like hang at the bottom of the thing. So to reach out, to push the button, you're like I don't know, two inches away from a black widow spider and I get everyone's like just leave them alone and they'll leave you alone. It's like they're gonna think I'm coming for them. I got a big old hand. If it's coming in jabbing at them, they're gonna fucking kill me. So I, uh, I got some spider killer and I I killed him. And listen, a lot of people don't like that. I kill spiders and if you're one of those people I apologize, but I want to live. Okay, I want to live. Not that I deserve to live more than the spider, but I have the means to do it. So sorry, bud.
Speaker 1:We get flies in the house sometimes, aye, aye, aye, and it drives the dog crazy. So what we have to?
Speaker 2:do is.
Speaker 1:We have to get them into one of the rooms, seal them off, and then I have a squirt bottle and then I squirt the thing until it's watered down and can't fly. And then I squirt the thing until it's watered down and can't fly, and then I crush it with my hands.
Speaker 2:Just a nice, slow, painful death. Yeah, good for you. Dan, I hate them. Teach those flies a lesson, do you?
Speaker 1:leave them out. Do I leave the flies' dead bodies out, like as a warning?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I started leaving the carcasses of spiders behind as a warning. But do you know that it's the opposite? So it turns out that a dead spider emits some sort of scent that attracts other spiders to come get it. I was like, holy shit, I'm doing it all wrong. So the lesson learned everybody don't leave the dead bodies as a warning to others, because it doesn't work.
Speaker 1:One of my favorite things ever was in one of these D&D games we used to play when we were kids and I killed this creature. It was some sort of ogre or something. It was like a Japanese ogre Sure. And I cut off its head and I threw it over the castle walls to teach them a lesson.
Speaker 2:Gal darn right it regenerated.
Speaker 1:Should have burned the thing up. Did you lose? I don't remember.
Speaker 2:Oh boy.
Speaker 1:You know, we all do dumb things, tony.
Speaker 2:So true, I only do them in games I don't do them in real life. I do everything in real life. Sure, I only do them in real life. You know it's tough, Wife plays with a spider.
Speaker 1:Your wife feels your dread about having a kid. Then we do this whole oh. Then we do the wife losing the first child, Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and now we're finally back to where we were before Wife goes to live in the house. It's just like the movie Nothing's in order. We're doing flashbacks to page two after we did page three. Oh boy.
Speaker 1:This is the point where he's glad that she was sad after losing the kid. Okay, he uses the big cell phone, which he usually called the wife, to call Peter. But then Hannah shuts it down and says you only want to connect when you want to. Your loneliness is self-inflicted. You bore me. And then the spider's gonna leave and he's like don't leave, I need you, Don't leave.
Speaker 2:And then wait. Hold on the spider says all you can see is yourself.
Speaker 1:He's like wait, and then the spider's gone. He's like I'll do anything.
Speaker 2:Right. So this scene right here, and he's like I'll do anything, right so this scene right here is categorical proof that the end of the movie is the exact same thing. He's doing, the exact same thing he does to Hanush, to his wife, where he's like I'll do anything. I'm so lonely, I need you. I'm not going to support you, I'm not going to care for you, but I need you because I'm not going to support you, I'm not going to care for you, but I need you because I'm lonely. Well, well, well, well. And I? I. If someone wants to try to prove me wrong and show me in the movie where he actually changes, I'll listen. But I don't believe you. I don't think it changes. Uh, it says it right. This is the line in the movie when he's like you only what did he say? You wrote it down. You only reach out when you need it or something you only want to connect when you want to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, and guess what he wants to? Right now he's real sad in space all alone.
Speaker 1:And the thing we learn in relationships Is we have to fake interest In our loved ones.
Speaker 2:I don't know if that's the lesson. We have to fake interest in our loved ones.
Speaker 1:I don't know if that's the lesson, Dan. If you want to keep your loved ones, you have to fake interest in them.
Speaker 2:That's what we want.
Speaker 1:Listen, you're not totally wrong, I feel like you're framing it negatively, because then eventually you'll be able to, you know, move the conversation back into talking about you. Back to yourself.
Speaker 2:We just got to navigate and be like oh yes, I'm interested, I'm interested, but now let's bring it back to me. Thank God, I'm here.
Speaker 1:Every conversation is about.
Speaker 2:Brilliant.
Speaker 1:Navigating it back to talking about me.
Speaker 2:Duh Shannon is a lucky lady me.
Speaker 1:Duh shannon is a lucky lady. Now he has the memory about the secret place where they kissed, and this is where he's spinning and he's boozed up and he's spinning. Yeah, I did not like this at all now, did you think, when all the, the booze particles were floating out into the, the, the very important systems that keep him alive, did you think something was going to happen because of that?
Speaker 2:I feel like they should, but it doesn't matter, because I guess space neutralizes wetness.
Speaker 1:That's what every astronaut's ever said to me. They walk up to me and they're like you know, space neutralizes wetness, so there you go, don't go.
Speaker 1:Wife's in the swimming pool being pregnant. Jakob is crying. Don't go Wife's in the swimming pool being pregnant. Jakob is crying. He calls Peter Calm down and he's like Peter, you got to go see Lenka, she's mad. So he drives out there, she's mad. He's like okay, jakob needs to just talk to you, he doesn't just want you to listen. This is what he says. I get it. Oh, at one point he said so the mission's supposed to go out? Do the space test?
Speaker 1:and then come home. But he said to her at one point maybe I'll just keep going and see what it's like past Jupiter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which isn't how anything works, by the way.
Speaker 1:That's suicidal right? So he's like I'm more interested in collecting some more bonus information and killing myself than coming home to you, which is just a weird thing that's separate from everything.
Speaker 2:I didn't even put that together, as he still won't come home To me. It was just like I might just stay, you know like when, go to, like your weekend home and you're just like you know what, fuck it, I'm gonna call in sick to work for the next three days. I'm gonna stay an extra two days.
Speaker 1:that's what it felt like he was doing, but I, I see what you're saying yeah, see, but you see you're mapping tony's way of living life, which is like how can I get away with being on vacation even longer?
Speaker 2:Just a wee bit longer, because this is nice.
Speaker 1:I want to come home. I'm not sure why I left. You're all that matters. I never tried to know you. This is what a guy is saying to his wife that he's been married to for 10 years.
Speaker 2:I would think X amount of years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yes, I never tried to know you. I didn't see you. I lived my life for all the wrong things. I don't deserve you. And at the very last he says I'm so sorry. Then she cries and he cries, and the cloud clouds.
Speaker 2:Oh, it clouds, all right. So this reminds me of, like you know, when you see interventions and stuff in there and then people like yeah, like addicts are like I'll never do it again, never to get, and they, they think they mean it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is not a negative, like it's you know very different things, because one of them is a disease, but it just kind of reminds me of like this guy's like I have to say what I'm gonna say in order to keep her, because I want to keep her, but then as soon as he gets the next adventure, he's gone, guaranteed. He hasn't changed that. He just talked to the spider eight seconds ago and the spider was like you, you are selfish, see you later. And now he's like oh, I'm selfish. No one's ever told me this before, so now I understand everything. It's dumb.
Speaker 1:Selfishness doesn't typically go away.
Speaker 2:No, it's hard and you can learn to manage it. I'm a very selfish person, but I think I do a decent job of trying to manage that. No, not great. Well, now that you've told me, now I get it. I'm cured.
Speaker 1:Un poco. Shannon knows a lot of addicts. Shannon has addictive things.
Speaker 2:We all have addictive things.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, she's had addictive things in her life and she's always like 10% that's the amount of people that get through serious addictions. The other 90% go back, go back again, go back again, go back again. It's hard, it's very hard.
Speaker 1:It's very hard, it's very hard to change Because you know we live very stressful existences and this guy he's on a spaceship, he'll say anything. She's sitting back at home, home, maybe being a little bored, but she could just go see her mom hang out with her friends, have a shrimp cocktail whatever, swim in a pool swim in a pool. You can't swim in a pool I love swimming in pools.
Speaker 2:He can't even take a shower. He's wiping himself with those cloths. You ever try to wash yourself with all those cloths? It's the worst experience in the world to me. God, I hate it so gross. I hardly use moist toilets when I eat wings, you know, because they are ribs. When they give you those, I don't even use those, I just lick my fingers and then use a napkin.
Speaker 1:I hate wet wipes, hate him that's how you really feel you pig weirdo. Um, okay, he has a memory about the ashes of his dad and there's hamush in the urn and then he's like oh, you have purge, now sleep. And then he's all like don't leave me again, let us face the cloud together but he says sleep, and then doesn't he wake him up immediately?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because they got to go into the cloud. Yeah, I was a little confused.
Speaker 1:This is when the spider's like you know what I told you I'm going to live forever. Nope, I'm dying. Guess what?
Speaker 2:I'm already dead. So here's my biggest problem. Is he from being like totally fine, Paul Dano, yeah To the next scene Can't even breathe. He's like how did this happen?
Speaker 1:Cause that's not because the aliens that invaded his planet are inside of him which also doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2:I hated that. I'm sorry, because if I mean, if there were, there was so many of them at the end like what's happening, dan?
Speaker 1:I fled too late, and then he's like you never asked about me, so wait, so the spider's already blown up, because the spider said that he did good, but the spider's blowing him up instantly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because, fuck you dude, you don't even know who I am.
Speaker 1:And then they do a big hug, and then tomorrow's the big day. Okay, big day. The wife talks to some random lady about the cloud. I don't know what that scene was.
Speaker 2:And why do they all know that her husband is the astronaut up there? Because that scene ends with the lady being like I'd rather be here than up there. Why, I don't know.
Speaker 1:That scene was weird.
Speaker 2:It was super weird.
Speaker 1:It's almost time, and then Lenka leaves the birth center and takes a car and is driving away yeah, I don't know where she's going yeah, um, so he's doing the collection thing and now hannish is like outside, and then he's all like, oh, I gotta stop the collection, I gotta save hannish, because hannish is the only thing that matters. And so he takes a thing of the decontaminant with him outside, which I thought he was going to use that to control where he was going.
Speaker 2:Nah, he can swim pretty much.
Speaker 1:Well, hold on, so he goes over to Hanush and then he just lets the thing go and I'm like, and I guess he was trying to decontaminate Hanush. Oh, that's what he was trying to do.
Speaker 2:He was trying to get rid of the bugs.
Speaker 1:The bugs that are inside the spider. Oh see, I didn't realize. Did you realize that at the time?
Speaker 2:I think that Hanush says it later. I think he's like thanks for trying with that stuff. Now, my biggest problem with that is I was like well, you already got dosed with it in the ship, big time dose. So if that didn't heal you then it wasn't going to heal you now.
Speaker 1:That doesn't make any sense. As you say, Adam Sandler's character has not learned anything, so he hasn't learned a damn thing. He's trying the same thing.
Speaker 2:You're right, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1:So they're just floating out there and then Hanush takes him by the hand and then Hanush can swim through space, because that's how space works. That's how spiders work I don't know if you've seen spiders. That's also how spiders work. And then we go into the cloud and I don't know man.
Speaker 2:Oh, you don't know. I thought you were going to know this part, because this is the part where I turned to my wife and I did this, what that's it. That was my big reaction. I was like what? This was the part where I turned to my wife and I did this, what that's it. That was my big reaction. I was like what, I'm defeated. I'm defeated at this point in this movie.
Speaker 1:How much does your wife hate me?
Speaker 2:Oh, she was playing her Switch the entire time. After the first five minutes she turned on Disney Dreamlight Valley and never looked back.
Speaker 1:Damn, maybe next time.
Speaker 2:I'll hide or switch, just she has to watch it with me.
Speaker 1:Then the wife is at this weird unbuilt house. Did you understand? That at all, what's with the unbuilt house that she went to? I have no idea.
Speaker 2:Not a clue.
Speaker 1:Then the spider's like this is it the ending and the beginning? There's a lot of things, because I don't know what that means then we figure out, then he just figures out that the first time he saw her he that's what he felt that's the only time he really cared about her and was sort of in love with her and like you say maybe that's not love. That was.
Speaker 2:That was him being horny yeah, that is the chemical in your brain. That's like I need to mate now. So we've all been there, buddy that's how I first saw her.
Speaker 1:And then he's like she's not here. And then he gives. He gives hatteras the chocolate. Here you go, take this chocolate with you to death, and then someone, so I want to go someone says that's my chocolate, but well, this, this was actually hazelnut. I shouldn't. I should stop saying.
Speaker 2:I like hazelnut, that's fine too it's not as good as chocolate, but it does. It makes a nice sandwich, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1:I feel fear and you feel hope. Thanks, hanush. Particles out. Particles out particles out.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, he particles out. He turns into a bunch of dust. Just that would be a funny sign off particles.
Speaker 1:Uh, the wife sees a particle and then she kind of connects with him across space, which I was like that's interesting it's interesting.
Speaker 2:But like are the particles on on earth now? Like how much trouble are they in?
Speaker 1:that one got there shit's gonna go down when the particles get there.
Speaker 2:We still don't know what the cloud is or what it's going to do, and nobody seems to care.
Speaker 1:At the end of the movie I thought I read you what it was. It's all. It's the, the ending and the beginning.
Speaker 2:Don't read. It's the beginning and the ending. I'm going to punch you. That is not an explanation, Dan Right here it's on the page Right here, right here, straight from the script.
Speaker 1:Then we cut back to the river. He's in the river from the very beginning of the movie walking. There's his wife, all dressed up like she's going to Mardi Gras or something, the Rasulca. Yeah, like they're going to Mardi Gras or something. They connect and the relationship starts over. He's back in space. He gets saved by the South Korean. The wife gets a call. I would never have left you. I'd kiss you again. It was a really good kiss. So does he call her?
Speaker 2:I guess he calls her from the south koreans calls her from the other shit and there and he's like if I knew now what I knew, then I never would have left. Bullshit, absolute bullshit. And then she was like well, I'd still kiss you because you're a good kisser also bullshit I'm calling her right now. I don't think he's that good of a kisser. There it is.
Speaker 1:And their relationship has a 10% chance of working.
Speaker 2:If that, I give it 1%.
Speaker 1:Tony's putting it at 1%. I'm giving him 10% because that's the number.
Speaker 2:That's the statistical number, and I just don't believe he's even that far.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. But this movie like definitely is like uh, oh god, who's that painful? Who's that one director that did tree of life? Who did the movie tree of life? Who's that director?
Speaker 2:oh, boy, oh, I got a terrible memory but I Great Google, google, that Tony Tree of Life film 2011,. Obviously made by Terrence.
Speaker 1:Malick yeah, this felt like an amateur Terrence Malick movie. Right, that's what it felt like to me.
Speaker 2:Sure, I don't think I've ever seen a Terrence Malick film and I don't have any plans to. So thanks for making me watch the Kmart version. We're going to do tree of life in two weeks. God, I that movie's over two hours.
Speaker 1:I'm out two hours 18 minutes, no thanks, they're like you know they're like oh it's, it's like a memory of a Sunday in the 1970s Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, anything else you want to say about this great movie, Tony.
Speaker 2:It's pretty.
Speaker 1:It's a good-looking well-made movie, hire this DP, hire these special effects guys 100%, but just get a different movie.
Speaker 2:get a different movie for it have them make a good movie it doesn't even have to be good, just something more watchable where I don't sit there and, like you know, I just want to punch myself in the face, to stay awake, to get through it a lot of dreamy shots dreamy and weird they're all warped and I was just like, why, what?
Speaker 1:is what is this?
Speaker 2:why? What is the choice for this? Why I don't need this? You know psych used to do a lot of flashbacks to when he's a child. Yeah, and they would just sepia tone it, you know, they just make it a little more brown. That's how you know it's the dream and versus reality.
Speaker 2:You don't need to do this weird warp thing. I thought at first maybe we were looking through the spider's eyes, but then I was like no, it would have a bunch of circles and that's not right. So I I still don't know why this movie made these choices.
Speaker 1:Round it up now we talk about something we like this week. Tony, what did you like this week?
Speaker 2:I'm going to say two things, oh, two things. We watched the movie Novocaine with Jack Quaid, who I was on jury duty with. It was awesome, was it Was it good.
Speaker 2:It is insane. It is so brutal and gory, but also funny. It was really good. I I would recommend it. But if you're squeamish, just get ready to close your eyes, because they do some really messed up stuff because he can't feel pain. So it's like what can you do to a guy that doesn't feel pain? Turns out you do a lot of stuff to him.
Speaker 1:It's pretty messed up do they do things to his teeth? Do they do things to his teeth?
Speaker 2:uh, I don't. Oh, do they do teeth? I don't think they do teeth. They mess things to his teeth. Oh, do they do teeth? I don't think they do teeth. They mess up his hand is probably the grossest thing that they do, but it's fun. It's some fun stuff. I would recommend it. And then we started watching your Friends and Neighbors the new Jon Hamm show, and I'm really liking it. It's very poignant to my life right now because it's all about him getting laid off and then turning to a life of crime. Um, which is one of my options I'm thinking about we're gonna do crime.
Speaker 2:Excellent, you want to do some crime? I'll do crime right now. I'm not. My naomi doesn't think I'd be very good at it. Um well, I don't know murder for hire.
Speaker 1:I'd do that I don't.
Speaker 2:I don't think I'd be good at that, just because, like you know, I'd want to brag about it. You know what I mean. Be like, oh, I took this guy out, no problem, look how tough I am. But no, we're having a good time. Jon Hamm's great he's great. Amanda Peet's great it's good.
Speaker 1:We're enjoying it. Yeah, I watched her on something. She just like you're like wow, that smile.
Speaker 2:If you like Amanda Peet you should go watch the old mid-2000s series Bent with her. It's one of my favorite sitcoms. It only lasted six episodes, but I rewatch it all the time. David Walton is in it, who is one of my biggest man crushes. It's great. Go watch it. I don't know if you can. I don't know if it's streaming anywhere.
Speaker 1:I bought it. What was that one? The movie where they kidnap her and put her in the basement with Steve Zahn.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, saving Silverman. Jack Black, steve Zahn, jason Biggs, amanda Peet that movie's great Judith Escaped.
Speaker 1:So good, she's so evil, she's so evil, she's so, and you're like she's so hot. You would be you know, she would just control any man around her.
Speaker 2:And I'm, I'm here for it, I'm just like take, the reins, take the reins. I'm yours.
Speaker 1:All men are like, yeah, I tried to, but I would be you, just me to do. We watched a lot of stuff, but it was just continuing, you know, watching some more Black Mirror, watching Ludwig, but we did watch this really interesting documentary about the Kingdom of Brunei, which is this tiny Muslim kingdom that's part of Malaysia and it's just one of those weird things that lives outside of existence.
Speaker 1:you know they have these weird weddings and you know, there's all this jungle and then there's the other tribes that live in the jungle, and then some of them may try and indoctrinate, and some they're like no, it's just so wild stuff. Yeah, it's one of those places where you go as your documentary crew and then they have like a dude that stands there and he's like no, no, you can't shoot this.
Speaker 2:You know, it's like that.
Speaker 1:Whenever you do those things and just like the weirdness, like these big shopping malls that they're walking around. But if you like, drive for one hour, you get to Malaysia and it's all like party town. Because you know it's like there's no, no, partying, no, and I I missed the one part where shannon says they only have like two sitcoms and they're like done like by community theater people.
Speaker 2:I gotta yeah what that sounds terrible. Yes, it sounds so great.
Speaker 1:Can you imagine that if you lived in this weird little place and you're you've got to make one of the two sitcoms and you're like?
Speaker 2:that's pretty cool. I would do it if I knew the language. Tony about town. Here comes tony. Imagine if we brought them friends dan. They would go crazy for it. I'm sure they all have it on their phones in secret, but I think that's how you get murdered. I don't know. I didn't watch the documentary.
Speaker 1:Tony, we need a movie for next time. Can you pick one that's as entertaining to talk? See, that's the thing as painful as this movie was incredibly entertaining to talk about.
Speaker 2:I think I've done it. I think I have no idea.
Speaker 1:Tony has broken the code.
Speaker 2:I mean, the source material has got to be on the same level, because the source material is from George RR Martin and he's supposed to be pretty smart.
Speaker 1:That's the king of the Dragon King. Dude that guy, game of Thrones.
Speaker 2:Is that what you're trying to come up with?
Speaker 1:This has dragons and Khaleesi and all that stuff.
Speaker 2:Ah, Khaleesi.
Speaker 1:Jason Momoa.
Speaker 2:Back when I really liked him a lot because he was great as Khal Drogo.
Speaker 1:But you loved him in the car drive movies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was great in Fast and Furious because he's just having fun, man. He's just there and he's just fucking shit up. He's wearing fancy clothes and having a great time. It's lovely. Uh, the rest of the movie not as great, but I'm excited to to watch the. This. The series close out so if it ever really does. George rr martin did something other than game of thrones yeah, I think it's just based on like a short novella he wrote maybe or something.
Speaker 2:I don't think he, because it's a story by yeah, so I think, uh, paul anderson, paul ws anderson oh, he's the resident evil guy he sure is, and so he took one of his favorite leading ladies, mia jojovich, and put her in this new movie with dave batista, and it's called in the Lost Lands.
Speaker 1:I believe I've watched the trailer for this. You did yes, I did not. This is a new movie, right, yeah?
Speaker 2:it's brand new. This just came out last week and I saw it and I was like, well, I guess we're going to watch that, because this looks dumb.
Speaker 1:Did you watch the trailer? Nope, refused it looks like you made it for two hundred thousand dollars it does. What did they make it for? I don't know, I didn't even check the budget. But I, if I'm correct, I believe I watched this trailer and I was just like who says the budget's about 55 million, so you're not totally off.
Speaker 2:It doesn't even hit the $100 million.
Speaker 1:I'm excited about this because I think you were like, oh, you don't know how to use Dave. Dave Bautista, he was in that Knock on the Cabin one. That was great.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, what was that Knock at the Cabin Door?
Speaker 1:You liked the terrible zombie Zack Snyder ones.
Speaker 2:I don't know what you're describing, because you said terrible, so it's definitely not the one that I'm thinking of. Yeah, no, I did. I liked that movie.
Speaker 1:The movie where they had to rotoscope an interesting character into the movie because the movie was so bad.
Speaker 2:No, that is not what happened. The guy that they rotoscoped out of it was a sex offender or something.
Speaker 1:People An alleged sex pest. Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, real bad. He was a real bad guy. Real bad guy so they got him out of there.
Speaker 1:Allegedly.
Speaker 2:Allegedly, of course, of course I'm not saying, I know anything.
Speaker 1:But Dave Bautista was in something else. That was really good.
Speaker 2:You know he, you know he's, he's tuber stupor, no stupor. Did you watch stupor? Him and Kumail did like a comedy where David Kumail is like a Uber driver and Dave Batista is like a hitman or something and they he hijacks the car and they go on an adventure did you, did you see it. Oh yeah, I saw it, it's fine.
Speaker 1:I mean it was fun, he's that guy, he's.
Speaker 2:Vin.
Speaker 1:Diesel. Back in the day, vin Diesel was the babysitter and the tooth fairy and all those things. Or maybe the rock was the tooth fairy, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Was the rock, the tooth fairy.
Speaker 1:I think the rock was the tooth fairy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, rocks tooth fairy, pacifier, Pacifier.
Speaker 1:Okay, so in the Lost Lands, Paul.
Speaker 2:Thomas.
Speaker 1:Anderson Mila Jovovich, one of the most beautiful men on the planet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so let's see how I feel they give her some sort of weird. I'm looking at a picture. There's some sort of tattoo on the face, oh, even better. I love face tattoos.
Speaker 1:You know how I like them.
Speaker 2:So one of the reasons I picked this, by the way, is because I did like a quick google search and somebody was writing a review and basically said that this was a great audition uh, for dave batista to play the gunslinger in stephen king's new adaptation. I was like there's no way that that's right, because I think he'd be terrible at that role. So I gotta see this movie oh, okay, that sounds good.
Speaker 1:So we're gonna to be doing in the lost lands next time. Hope you enjoyed the spaceman. If you like what we do, give us a comment, a thumbs up or leave us a message you're getting worse.
Speaker 2:We're 230, some episodes into this. You shouldn't be getting worse at the sign off.
Speaker 1:I mean, I've explained to you that I cannot do the same thing twice, you know that thatoff.
Speaker 2:I mean, I've explained to you that I cannot do the same thing twice.
Speaker 1:You know that that's true. Yeah, you have. I mean yeah, back when we used to do the sketch shows and I'd have to remember all the lines.
Speaker 2:If we'd had to do it twice in that night.
Speaker 1:I probably couldn't have remembered anything if I had to do it twice.
Speaker 2:Well then, I'm glad we only did them once per show.
Speaker 1:That's good, I always like see these people that are doing plays, and I'm like you do that more than once. No, yeah, but you, you know, you try to find different ways to do it. You know? No, I understand that, I just don't. I think I'm like, once I use it, it's gone it's gone.
Speaker 2:It's done, we're done, we're moving on, yeah you know it's like well, you, what musicals?
Speaker 1:can you just stand there and do? You could probably do. You could do some musicals. Can you just stand there and do? You could do some musicals, can't you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure. I mean, I used to do musicals. You know what I could do right now? I could do a goofy movie back to back for you right now. So real side note, by the way, I'm going to go on a little tangent. Todd, friend of the show. Todd sent me a message. Apparently him and Jason Marston are friends. Right, sent me a message. Apparently him and Jason Marston are friends. Or he sent me a picture from 20, 30 years ago of them hanging out and I was like that's the coolest thing in the world. So Todd's my new hero.
Speaker 1:Cool, oh, that was it. Was he in the? That's it. He was in the Goofy movie or something Stupid.
Speaker 2:Yes, stan, he's Max in the. He's the lead in a goofy movie yes, wait, isn't goofy.
Speaker 1:The lead in the movie.
Speaker 2:He's like he's the dad but max is the son, which the story is technically about them both in their relationship. It's a beautiful. You really should see the movie, dan. Okay, so the next time we talk I've expected you to have watched the movie is that on like disney plus or something? Yeah, it's on Disney Plus.
Speaker 1:Oh, maybe I'll watch it.
Speaker 2:And it's 30 years old, so maybe you should do it. Oh my God.
Speaker 1:I like old movies, not old-ish movies.
Speaker 2:Just that middle ground. You know, it's just no good. We'll be back next week. Goodbye everybody. Hey, watch it With Dan and Tony next week. Goodbye everybody.