Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
Hate Watching The Gorge: Plant People Beware!
In the fog-shrouded valley where two superpowers meet, a deeply human story unfolds against the backdrop of Cold War tensions and ancient mysteries. The Gorge brilliantly pairs Miles Teller and Anya Taylor-Joy as elite snipers stationed on opposite sides of a mysterious chasm, creating one of the most unique and compelling on-screen relationships of recent cinema.
What begins as strict isolation—American and Soviet guards forbidden from contact—evolves through ingenious long-distance communication. Giant notepads, makeshift signals, and music played across the divide become the foundation of a connection that defies their orders and national identities. The chemistry between the leads is palpable even when separated by hundreds of feet of empty space, making their eventual face-to-face meeting (via a dangerous homemade zip line) all the more powerful.
The film's first half excels at building both the mystery of what lurks in the foggy depths below and the tender romance developing above. Small gestures carry enormous weight—a toast across the gorge, a game of chess played at impossible distance, poetry shared in fragments. These moments of genuine human connection stand in stark contrast to the occasional monster attacks that remind us of the ever-present danger.
Where The Gorge stumbles is in its third act, when our protagonists find themselves trapped in the depths they've been guarding. The revelation of what caused the gorge and its inhabitants—a joint Soviet-American research facility gone catastrophically wrong—feels rushed and underwhelming compared to the cosmic horror teased earlier. The "hollow men" monsters, while effectively creepy in glimpses, lose impact when fully revealed.
Despite these shortcomings, the film remains compelling thanks to its central relationship and the performances that bring it to life. Teller brings depth to his tortured sniper, haunted by his past kills, while Taylor-Joy imbues her character with both steely resolve and vulnerability. Their journey from isolated guards to partners willing to risk everything resonates emotionally even when the plot mechanics falter.
The Gorge ultimately asks what connections matter most—duty to country, scientific discovery, or the rare human bond that transcends boundaries. For anyone who appreciates character-driven stories with elements of horror, romance, and Cold War tension, this haunting tale of what lurks both within the mist and within ourselves offers a uniquely satisfying experience.
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It's pretty terrifying when I'm the more manly of the two of us.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's not good for me, right?
Speaker 1:That is embarrassing for you.
Speaker 2:It's a bad look. I think I can accept that, or you're just very masculine, dan. You ever thought about that?
Speaker 1:No, You're over there like.
Speaker 2:Schwarzenegger, you know, in Predator, covering yourself in mud, and I'm just over here. Yeah, see, there you go. Oh yeah, mud, they drew first. Blood, they drew first blood hell.
Speaker 1:Welcome to Watching with Dan and Tony. I'm Dan, I'm Tony. On this show we talk about a movie and it's generally a terrible movie. And, um, this week I got to pick the movie and I picked Apple TV's brand new Blockbuster.
Speaker 2:Smash hit, smash hit.
Speaker 1:The Smash hit the Gorge 2025. That's this year.
Speaker 2:That's now we're living in it.
Speaker 1:Two hours and nine minutes, and I kind of like this movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, it's nice. I mean there's some problems, right, it's not a great movie. It's not a great movie, I mean my biggest problem.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:What's your biggest problem? Yeah, is the monsters. Yeah, super disappointed I and this is on me, you know what I mean. It's on me because you know what it's also on them. I take it back. It's on both of us, okay I think it's on video games. That's what I think the problem is okay, that's where I think that'll come up today, because I mean the action sequence in the church. I was like this is Resident Evil.
Speaker 1:We're watching Resident Evil happen in front of our eyes and it's a little weird, it's a little weird.
Speaker 2:My biggest problem with the monsters is that they built it up for a while, and so in my head I'm like, okay, this is going to be really cool. I'm expecting Lovecraftian cosmic horror Gates of. Hell they brought up.
Speaker 1:And I was like, oh, this is going to be cool.
Speaker 2:I'm going to see tentacles coming out of the mist and I was very excited. And then it was like tree people and I was like, wait, what's happening right now?
Speaker 1:Well, I mean spoilers. It's basically it's not it. It's actually not anything really.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:There's nothing. It's just like well, there's some creatures down there that are, it's just some mutants, it's radiation poisoning.
Speaker 2:It's basically it's radiation poisoning, you know, and you're like oh okay okay, I mean, I guess that's a choice, but I'm a little let down. I was hoping for a little bit more, and I mean, you know, spoilers.
Speaker 1:There'll be lots of spoilers, but yeah you know. I mean it makes sense that you only have 25 of them crawl up from below every six months. It's like it's not. It's not, there's not a lot going down down there.
Speaker 2:Really, we don't have a ton of monsters left Like there've been. They've been slowly dying for the last couple hundred years. We haven't sent more people in. That's, that's on us. You know we got to send more people in. Create more monsters, please.
Speaker 1:You know there's a couple points at which you know. So basically the movie, we have two to do the quick overview. We have a Soviet person on the one side and we have an American person on the one side and they sort of monitor this gorge which is down in the ground, where there's fog down there and then occasionally monsters crawl up the sides of the gorge and then they have to shoot them. The two of them form a relationship where they're not supposed to have a relationship and then eventually they end up down of the gorge and then they have to shoot them. The two of them form a relationship where they're not supposed to have a relationship and then eventually they end up down in the gorge and we find out what the whole deal with the gorge is now I have.
Speaker 2:I have a question for you how would you have felt if we don't totally learn about the gorge in this movie?
Speaker 1:I think that this movie, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know either. I think this movie answers all its questions right.
Speaker 2:And it almost felt like too many.
Speaker 1:It did not leave a lot to the imagination, which is fine. It's fine, and they had a solution set up that they set up. Basically, you know, at the beginning of the movie, then we find out the solution and then we know where they're going for the solution they do the solution and it solves it.
Speaker 2:It's all solved. That was weird to me too. I was like oh, it worked, that plan just worked.
Speaker 1:We're done. There were no twists, no turns. There's nothing unexpected really. There's a new thing everyone's talking about, and it's called second screen.
Speaker 2:Okay, is that where I play stuff on my phone?
Speaker 1:That means you are watching the gorge, but you also have your phone out and you're checking your DMs and this movie is.
Speaker 2:I get a lot of DMs so it takes me a whole movie to check them off. I've never gotten a DM in my life, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I send you them and you don't look at them or answer.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So maybe I'm getting them all the time and I just don't read them. A DM is a text. You idiot, you don't get texts. You get them from me and you never respond to them.
Speaker 2:I get it. I must I just you know I don't look. I don't look at the right apps. Maybe Hold on a second.
Speaker 1:You have a little phone there that has text messaging. I know it. I know it, you have texted me.
Speaker 2:I got two phones right here, Dad. I got two phones. I don't know what to do with them.
Speaker 1:Hold on a second. We're going to get the bottom of Tony today, since this movie it's just a fine movie, fine acting the direction is fine, the special effects are fine. I mean nothing over the top, and that's why this is a second screen movie.
Speaker 2:So, tony, alright, we'll get back to the definition.
Speaker 1:You get a text right, Does your phone make a?
Speaker 2:noise. No, I have my notification set to silent. It does not make noise and it does not vibrate. I refuse, but it does still pop up on the screen, you know so like I can see it and then I can see a preview, and then I'm like eh, I'll deal with it later. And then I don't really deal with it later.
Speaker 1:So you intend, but what percentage of them do you actually think? You see, I mean, how often do you get one at 10 o'clock in the morning and don't see it till four o'clock at night?
Speaker 2:All the time.
Speaker 1:All the time.
Speaker 2:So that's most of it. Yeah, it's mostly because here's the thing, dan, right, like, who do I need to talk to in my life? It's pretty much just my wife and she's not going to text me. She's right next to me on the couch. What do I need to check my phone for? Just emergencies, and if it's an emergency, someone's going to call.
Speaker 1:They're going to call you, but I don't have your phone number. I don't know, maybe.
Speaker 2:I don't know, but you could Facebook message or call whatever that's called. That's a thing. It'll pop up. In fact, you'd be on my portal, because I'm one of those suckers that bought a Facebook portal back in the day. It's like an iPad on a stand dedicated solely to Facebook Messenger video calls. I don't know if you remember this. It was a device.
Speaker 1:What the hell are you talking about? So you have this thing sitting there next to you.
Speaker 2:It's sitting, so here's our TV right on there, and then it's just sitting next to the TV just in case someone calls and we need to say, hey, portal answer. And then it answers the call and we can video chat with you. You have that on all the time for no reason. Yeah, nobody in the pandemic. My nephews would call me so that was when it started Sure, and then they've never. They haven't called me in five years.
Speaker 1:So they're done with Uncle.
Speaker 2:Tony, that's too bad. Yeah well, they're old now and I abandoned them for their entire lives. So you kind of get it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so this movie is your classic, true second screen. I can't think of anything else that exists out there that is so second screen and so specifically kind of second screen.
Speaker 2:Do you think that that was the plan? Do you think app Cause it's an Apple? Movie and they're like hey, you should be on your Apple phone at the same time as you're watching our Apple movie and we get double the screen time. Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's what they want.
Speaker 2:Great marketing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so this movie, this movie is fine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but that's a problem, don't you think? Fine, it's fine. I don't know. Well, I mean, is it memorable?
Speaker 1:I mean, I told you about that movie Elevation, where it's Anthony Mackie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you did that movie was stupid. Right Should have done that movie, Dan no.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, because they're basically the same movie, but this movie has Anya Taylor. She's wonderful right Joy. And you know you're like.
Speaker 2:She's so charming.
Speaker 1:She's charming and attractive and you know it's her and Miles Teller, on the two opposite sides, and the relationship is written really, really well.
Speaker 2:That's why. So I understand, we're mashing genres together right, it's two movies.
Speaker 1:It's a weird sort of Cold War love story which I thoroughly enjoyed a lot.
Speaker 2:I was like let's just make this the movie. We don't answer everything about the gorge, it's kind of left a mystery and we just kind of focus on these two people and then maybe at the end they have to decide between saving themselves and saving the world I don't know, because that's a classic trope and then they decide to save themselves and the world dies. That's a great movie. Cabin in the Woods man.
Speaker 1:It is kind of now that I've said it out loud.
Speaker 2:it is kind of Cabin in the Woods of cabin in the woods.
Speaker 1:He said they probably couldn't do it. Well, I mean, yeah, cabin in the woods. If this movie was 25, better it would be cabin in the woods.
Speaker 1:Sure, you know, because cabin in the woods, great, it's all it's marks and you got the two parallel plot lines, then they come together and and yeah, I mean cabin in the woods, yeah, it has, cabin in the Woods has a very proper escalation right. You know they're escalating down in the upper and then they go down and then things, then we have an act three. Yeah, this one feels like, you know, kind of very extended act one and one and a half. You know, then we go down and we kind of have a two and then we don't really have a three. You know this, this movie doesn't know where it's one, two and three I would.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would assume. Act three is just kind of like the 10 minutes where they take blowing stuff up and then he's meeting her at a restaurant six months later. I don't understand the timeline, but it was a. It was a rushed act three.
Speaker 1:And she's going to be a waitress and he's going to be a fry cook.
Speaker 2:Right and that doesn't sound right Just based off of what I know about these people. It's a weird ending.
Speaker 1:I always remember the first time I saw Speed. You know you watch Speed and you're just like, wow, this is great, oh man. And then you get to the end and they're like are we boyfriend? I don't even remember what the end is exactly, but they're like are? We boyfriend and girlfriend now and I sat there in the audience and I went. This is a relationship that cannot survive.
Speaker 2:It'll never work, yeah, but it shouldn't. You know what I mean. Like it shouldn't work and it won't work and that's fine. We got the self-contained story. It was very lovely. These two people bonded with their trauma. They had a lot of sex post-movie, I'll tell you that right now Two beautiful people having some sex. And then they were like well, we don't really have anything in common or like each other that much, so I guess we'll just go our separate ways and it's fine.
Speaker 1:It just was interesting to. I don't think I'd been in a watched a movie and then got to the end and then really posited what, what next?
Speaker 2:what happens next? Yeah, and that's it's an interesting thing to think about you know, well, and then you know she got to date jason patrick and then go on a boat, so it all worked out for everybody you know, we we really need to intercut that boat crash with, uh, with the tenant airplane crash. You know, like have the two of them Two of the slowest crashes of all time.
Speaker 1:Bore into each other Boring.
Speaker 2:Very slowly crumpling tin yeah.
Speaker 1:So yeah, andy, Taylor, joey, I like it all.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, here's the thing they're both charming right? So?
Speaker 1:It was funny. At one point in the thing I was like you know, I said what is Miles Teller thinking? Right here he's thinking, why am I in this movie? And then as you go along you're like, wow, this is the Miles Teller we just need. This is the guy we need. He's great.
Speaker 2:The movie doesn't work without two people of this caliber. If that makes sense, like it doesn't have to be. There's a lot of movies where I'm like if this person is in the movie, it doesn't work. I think this movie can work with multiple people, sure, but they have to be of this level because a lot of it just rests on them, not even talking, and just eye contact and facial expressions from across a gorge, which is awesome, like it's a really cool. It's a really cool thing and the idea of this pit of despair is awesome to me. The actual delivering of that pit is very disappointing to me and that's what takes this movie from like yeah, good, I it's watchable. To like this is trash. Who?
Speaker 1:made these to trash.
Speaker 2:I hate when they're in the gorge. I hate it, I hate it. I think it's so dumb. I think it's a terrible, terrible C grade. It's not even as good as Resident Evil. You know what?
Speaker 1:I mean oh sure, sure.
Speaker 2:I mean, Resident Evil's not a good movie, so you can't so oh yeah, it's not as because it's not as because Resident Evil is fun. Oh, it's fun.
Speaker 1:Resident Evil's always fun.
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah, they have a good time, they're making cool creatures and they're killing those creatures and they're just shooting other shit out of people. This just was just like, eh, let's get out of the gorge. And I shouldn't feel that way. I shouldn't want to get out of the cool cosmic horror gorge, right?
Speaker 1:There isn't a cosmic horror gorge.
Speaker 2:I just want. It so bad Dan, I want it to be a cool cosmic horror gate of hell. Hp is rolling in his grave at this missed opportunity. Listen to Tony dropping the HP. Oh, I'm obsessed with HP Lovecraft.
Speaker 1:Big, big fan over here and all of his racism, and so listen I. It was a different time With HP Lovecraft, Big, big fan over here and all of his racism.
Speaker 2:So listen, it was a different time.
Speaker 1:His eugenics Tony's, on the podcast promoting eugenics?
Speaker 2:No, no, but he's. I mean I will get in a lot of trouble because I'm a guy that Loves eugenics. No, no, I am very pro-separating the artist from the art and I understand where that can get us into trouble with. You know, we don't have to get on this topic too much. But with JK Rowling, who's like, still making money on it, that's a problem. But like HP, he's dead, he's gone. He's not still making money off of me enjoying his work? You?
Speaker 1:know what I mean.
Speaker 2:So, like to me, that's a little different.
Speaker 1:I don't think there's even family to be making money off of.
Speaker 2:I don't know what's the lineage. I don't know. I think probably whatchamacallit, it's probably just people sitting in an office owning the rights, raking in the 99 cents as I buy used copies of these books.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're buying the books reading the Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath over there.
Speaker 2:You know we did a. I'm not going to remember the name of the short story we adapted, but we did a short film in college based off of HP. You did it in college, Really. Yeah, man, yeah.
Speaker 1:And that was because of you, or that was because of one of your friends.
Speaker 2:It was me and my roommate Lance. Yeah, and that was because of you or that was because of one of your friends. It was me and my roommate Lance. Good guy, oh wow, look at that. He left California. By the way, he's now living in the woods in Wisconsin, like in a he built.
Speaker 2:He lives in a shed. I mean he's like off the grid, yeah, off the grid. He ordered a shed from Home Depot and built it, insulated it. He doesn't have a restroom he's still working on that but yeah, he's just in the woods. Was this the Game Boy?
Speaker 1:guy, the guy that collected the Game Boys.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he sold all his Game Boys.
Speaker 1:Oh, dude, he did well.
Speaker 2:For all of the people that don't know, my roommate had these two huge glass cases and he had hundreds of Game Boy he cases and he had hundreds of game boy. He was a game boy collector.
Speaker 1:So beautiful stuff. Yeah, I sold all that and moved out of la. Well, that that that would make you the money.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that's, that's your seed right that's, that's what you see, and then you go and you figure out your life somewhere else.
Speaker 1:Oh good, let's live that weird life. Is he making live that weird life. Videos of it too?
Speaker 2:no, no, no, no he's just being super private about it, like I. You know, we talk every once in a while, but he's just living his best life.
Speaker 1:We watched this one show about these people that lived, you know that kind of life, I think, up in alaska, and you know they would have to like, take the, the four-wheeler, to the railroad track because there were no roads and the railroad, the railroad would stop and they'd get their stuff and they'd pile it on the thing and they'd drive it out to their. You're like oh no, thank you.
Speaker 2:I want to do that, but almost the opposite, which is golf carts. I want to be in one of those rich neighborhoods where you get to drive your golf cart to the store. That's the dream for me. I don't need real roads or cars.
Speaker 1:So that, but incredibly lazy.
Speaker 2:Right, right me. So I don't need real roads or cars so that. But incredibly lazy right, right, yeah, I wanted to like I want to live off the grid and be like this really hot but just do it in a rich, lazy white person like I have everything handed to me way, yeah, a gated community of people living?
Speaker 1:oh yeah, you need a gate you need to.
Speaker 2:I can't have riffraff like you just coming onto my property, Dan.
Speaker 1:Okay, I guess we should talk about the gorge a little. Yeah, tell me about this movie. Miles Teller, he's a sniper, he, oh, no, no, we start with Anya Taylor. Here she is in darkness Day 10, brushes her teeth, poop, poop, pop. She opens a little thing. She's a sniper. She's waiting for this guy to get off a plane. He gets off the plane. He kills him. She kills him. So she's a great sniper.
Speaker 2:Great sniper, one of the best.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Ostensibly better than him right.
Speaker 2:Seems like it's just on the one where she's like, oh, did you do that? Really great job, but he never even knows that she did it.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So he doesn't say but she's the one who did the big jobs. You're like ah, very good, that's the one problem with this movie. I mean not one problem.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, there's more problems, because already I have a problem, but continue.
Speaker 1:He's having a hard time. He he's having a hard time. He goes watches the sunrise on the beach. He's writing in his little book. Cute dog comes up to him Very cute dog. Boom. He's got a job Job's down at Camp Pendleton. You know what Camp Pendleton is when?
Speaker 2:it said C Pendleton, I was like, hey, I've heard of that, but that's about as that's it.
Speaker 1:Camp Pendleton's, on the way to San Diego. It's the big military base down there.
Speaker 2:I've probably driven by there a bunch of times.
Speaker 1:A million times we went down there as kids. A million. Well, yeah, I had beef stroganoff, you know they like took us down there.
Speaker 2:I love a good stroganoff. You should come to the Midwest. We fucked that shit up. I can imagine.
Speaker 1:So his meeting is with Sigourney Weaver and a smoky thing. They talk about how many he's killed and she wants him for this new job.
Speaker 2:okay yeah, I don't need any of this oh really, yeah, I don't feel like I need any of this. Uh, I see, honestly, to me the only reason that this is in the movie, yeah, is that so sigourney can come back at the end, sure, barely and just like loosely wrap it up, sure, well? Yeah, I don't need any of that. I, honestly, I'm wake up.
Speaker 2:Wake up in your, in your new post, or on the flight wake up on the flight and meet the new guy and he can just walk through it and then the whole time we're like what the hell's going on? Who's this guy? What's he doing here? What's going on? And then through their relationship, they can talk about what they did. There's like, oh shit, you're a sniper, I'm a sniper. Look at all these things we have in common. Let's go kill things. I don't know. I just felt like this beginning was very. It took a while to get to the gorge, and then that's when the movie starts. For me, this is what we call second screen. It's true, right? I feel like you're going to hit this topic a lot today, lot Well.
Speaker 2:I mean it's true, right 100%.
Speaker 1:We don't need any of this stuff. We do the thing with her, then we do the thing with him and he's on the plane and we're just like wait what the hell's going on.
Speaker 2:I don't need to know her stuff either. Really. She's like oh, my dad's suiciding and I don't understand.
Speaker 1:She goes and sees her dad. Her dad's wrecked with cancer and he's going to kill himself.
Speaker 2:He's going to end it on Valentine's Day. Yeah, on Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1:Which actually leads to a nice scene in the movie. But I don't need to know that beforehand. That's true, she was over there crying.
Speaker 2:Right, and then we're like, oh no, what's going on with this solitary soldier over there? And then he's like, oh no, what's going on? And then we all find out together Wow, what a great movie that would be.
Speaker 1:Second screen.
Speaker 2:Second screen? Were you second screen? Are you just making excuses, Dan? What were you doing? Play a little Marvel Snap. I quit Marvel Snap.
Speaker 1:Okay, hold the phone.
Speaker 2:Time out. What do you mean? Cold turkey? When, two weeks ago, I had to stop, it was March 15th at 7.42pm. What do you mean? What happened?
Speaker 1:I loved it too much, and sometimes, when you love something too much, you just gotta let it go.
Speaker 2:Wow, dan, I'm shocked. I'm shocked. Are you looking for something to fill that void? Can I introduce you to Pokemon TCG Pocket.
Speaker 1:Not a chance. Okay, copy that, although I was watching one of the a police show maybe shannon was watching it. There are these kids out in the woods in the dark and he's like what do you kids, you know? Like what are you kids up to? You know they were like they weren't young kids. They were, like you know, 18, 19 year old kids sure yeah, looking for pokemon in the fucking come on, go, baby england. I'm just like oh my god, no, the new game is Baltro or something.
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't even know, it's kind of like Poker.
Speaker 1:I think it's called Balatro Balatro. Yeah, mobile game Got it. I don't know how I got that right. It is red hot and they're making A ten of money. Okay, I'll check it out. I love wasting money. Mobile game got it. I don't know how I got that right. Uh, it is red hot and they're making a 10 of many okay, I'll check it out.
Speaker 1:I love wasting money yeah, but I was like I need to get more stuff done in my life and if I can cut one more gaming thing out of life and wow and do it because I didn't spend much money on it. But yeah you know, I did spend a lot of brain power on it, so it's like, yeah, it's wasted brain power.
Speaker 2:Wow, hey, I mean I guess good for you Just taking away something you love for no reason Good for you? Yeah, great, I'm great Self-controlled.
Speaker 1:I'm powerful, so so she. So I get Taylor's going for this, the Ruskies and he's going for the Americans. Gets on a plane. They drop him 38 miles out. The parachute jump was no fun.
Speaker 2:No, it was no fun. Also, I would wear goggles of some sort or glasses. I feel like doesn't a lot of stuff fly in your eyes if you're falling so fast? I don't know. Yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1:Anyhow, I was expecting a fun parachute jump and it was just very boring.
Speaker 2:You didn't get one. He just kind of jumps and then he's pretty much on the ground seconds later.
Speaker 1:Hikes there, has to climb up a thing. Reaches the gorge, meets JD, the guy who was there before him.
Speaker 2:Real nice guy. I love JD.
Speaker 1:Yeah, JD was great, yeah he was great and he gives the whole idea. There's a fence he has to take care of the fence. There's machine guns he has to do. There's satellite link. He's supposed to check in once a month. Not sure how they resupply. I would have liked to have something dropped every month.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they don't seem to they should do some sort of. Fortnite drop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, every month. Yeah, they don't seem to they, should they should do some sort of fortnight drop. Yeah, you gotta go get your gear, you gotta do a drop, because how? I mean, he's not carrying all the all those minigun.
Speaker 2:He was carrying nothing, I don't really know he had a backpack, didn't he? He had something like a little one he doesn't have 8 000 rounds in his bag. He does that um, yes, and this is where you know this is the problem, because jd sets me up for cosmic horror right away. Yeah, he's like. What do you think he's like? I think it's the gates of hell, and it's not. It's not at all it's. He's not even kind of close I mean literally.
Speaker 1:The first time they show up, I was like oh, oh, plant zombies. That's literally what I said. I said plant zombies is what I wrote in my paper.
Speaker 2:Wait, like before you saw the monsters.
Speaker 1:No, first time you see the first shot of a face of a monster, like literally within three seconds of seeing the monsters for the first time crawling up, I was like oh, plant zombies.
Speaker 2:And did you write a frowny face next to that line? Because that's what I would.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's plant monsters. Sad face, I'm let down, boo. And we set up that that if the air raid thing goes off, that means everything is compromised and you got to run away because it's all going up.
Speaker 2:So you're like right, because that's that means it's going to blow right. That's what, that was, okay and that's called. Just want to make sure that's the stray dog protocol.
Speaker 1:So we're like, well, that's the end of the movie. Yeah, but it happened so quick and they call the bad guys the hollow men.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which I didn't understand, that reference the TS Eliot. He's a poet. Yeah, I don't listen. I don't read TS Eliot. Okay, I don't listen. Listen, I don't read TS Elliott.
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't listen to the movie. I don't listen to him talk. Dude throws a mine in there and you know you hear the monster noises from. Come down below.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which again misleads me, because I'm like oh, there's something down there, it's just little guys with plants on their face.
Speaker 1:It turns out that the other side, they both switch at the exact same time. And now that I think about it, it makes sense. When I started it I was like that doesn't make sense, but it actually does make sense.
Speaker 2:And why is it doesn't make sense? Because I agree that it doesn't.
Speaker 1:But if you can convince me, because what we're going to find out at a certain point is they are working in concert. This began in concert.
Speaker 2:This began in concert. Oh, you're right, it all comes. Yeah, all right, I got what you're saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so boom, boom, boom. There's monsters. He eats dinner. There's great water pressure. How is there great?
Speaker 2:water pressure Better than I got. You know what I'm saying. I got to move to the gorge. I love a nice shower. That hurts me a little bit.
Speaker 1:So JD cruises out, gets picked up by a helicopter, they ID him and then they shoot him in the face.
Speaker 2:Shoot him in the face. Real sad.
Speaker 1:This is a problem I have with the movie is if that doesn't matter, if you're killing like the number one sniper in the world every year, there's going to be no snipers and you know they'd be like hey, what happened to this guy that had 122 confirmed kills? Weird. Yeah, what happened to the last 20 guys? Like you know, it's like it seems like they get to this certain age and then they're gone and also like maybe they should have discovered that secret, maybe I thought they were going to I mean they should, because otherwise there's really no point in it, other than like oh, we're keeping our secret, but who cares?
Speaker 2:Because nobody knows. Yeah, like, why are they not finding his body on accident? Why is he not in the gorge? Have him fall into the gorge Now. He's a monster and he's like oh, jd, jd, my brother, he's got to kill him. You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Things they couldn't do, probably because they had to have him so far away, 38 miles away. They're never going to discover him, 38 miles away.
Speaker 2:It is a long ways.
Speaker 1:You're right. There's books for him to read. Oh, now it's October, so he started in September, now it's October. There's writing on the wall where everybody just writes in the law.
Speaker 2:Can I ask you a quick question? Did you have problems following the months as well, or was that just me?
Speaker 1:No, they wrote them down. They told you when they were I know they wrote them down.
Speaker 2:But then I was like is that one month? Is that two months in between? I couldn't remember. We're happening so fast, like September to October. Is there months in between? Where's November? That doesn't happen to you.
Speaker 1:I mean, if I was just sitting there, you know, yeah, it might be a little confusing because you're kind of watching the seasons roll by.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:But yeah, no, I know what you're saying. October he finally sees her. She's over there cutting wood, you know, and he's all like With a chainsaw, humminah, humminah, there's a rainstorm. He freaks out, he steps on some glass, he looks at her, she looks at him.
Speaker 2:Uh, november, yes, no, no, I just uh, I two things didn't like the glass bit, uh, because I show him picking a piece of glass out of his foot and that freaks me out big time. Um, but also, like we kind of set up that he's got some ptsd and then we don't care.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we just don't care.
Speaker 2:It's like oh interesting, Like maybe this will play a part in the monsters or something. I don't know.
Speaker 1:It's cured by love.
Speaker 2:Oh, I didn't know there was a cure, so that's good to know.
Speaker 1:Love Okay great.
Speaker 2:Duh, I've never felt it so I guess I wouldn't.
Speaker 1:Somehow she has cake. She also has a big supply of champagne which she goes through regularly.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, lots of bottles, and they're not making that there. I don't know how to make champagne, but I know you're not making it there.
Speaker 1:Well, you're making it in the Champagne region of France.
Speaker 2:Because it's grapes still right Like wine, but it's just made differently, or something.
Speaker 1:Champagne is a sparkling white wine, I believe, and it only comes from the Champagne region of France.
Speaker 2:Why do they get to do that? Because that's their thing.
Speaker 1:They made it up and they gave it the name, and so you can make something very equivalent here, but you can't call it a sparkling white. Cannot call it champagne.
Speaker 2:That just feels a little rude.
Speaker 1:It's their thing.
Speaker 2:It's their thing, right, you know it just feels a little monopoly-y, monopolizing.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:How would I say it's a?
Speaker 1:monopoly. It's theirs, it's a monopoly.
Speaker 2:Listen, I just feel a little rude.
Speaker 1:They have a monopoly on monopoly.
Speaker 2:Listen, I just feel a little rude. Yeah, you're just doing it a different way.
Speaker 1:I mean, can someone?
Speaker 2:else make a Ford car? Well, no, because nobody.
Speaker 1:Well, no, you just stop Silence.
Speaker 2:You just stop, you stop you monster.
Speaker 1:So he sees her eating the cake. She fires, holds up a pad that says what's your name? He says. He shows up his dry erase board, says no contact, and then she shows favorite parts of the movie. Yeah, his little smirk while he does it like it's very charming, very charming and she says her name is drasa and then he toasts her yeah Cute, it's cute. Then she plays the Ramones and dances around.
Speaker 2:Here's a real question, though you don't. I mean, it's not possible that they're the first two people that have made contact across the gorge, right?
Speaker 1:I would say most of them would.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this movie to me makes it play as if they're the first ones to do it. That doesn't matter, I just found it a little strange.
Speaker 1:I mean she has a giant pad and giant markers.
Speaker 2:Her pad never seems to run out as well. By the way, there must be 2,000 sheets of paper because they talk for months.
Speaker 1:Nothing runs out in this place. You know what are you going to need? A giant pad of paper and a giant sharpie for To draw my vases I like a little.
Speaker 2:A vase art. That's what I like to do.
Speaker 1:What are you talking about?
Speaker 2:It's a sketch pad, dan, so I was just saying you do some sketches, and that was the first thing that came to my head.
Speaker 1:I thought you were saying I thought that was like a thing that came to my head was a vase. I thought you were saying that. I thought that was like a thing you know you did to relax You're like oh God, I'm a terrible drawer artist.
Speaker 2:I'm a terrible artist full stop. In general, that is true.
Speaker 1:She plays the Ramones blitzkrieg, bop, dances around and then they take shots to prove to each other that they're great shots. Very, take shots to prove to each other that they're great shots.
Speaker 2:That she said Very sexy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, their scene was very sexy. And then, as they're going along, and then she senses something. I didn't hear anything. It felt like she sensed something. Yeah, and we get the first assault of the plant zombies. He's sniper and I was so excited.
Speaker 2:Oh you were, Because so we're playing the music and I was like, oh, the monsters aren't gonna like the music right.
Speaker 1:So then I was like where are?
Speaker 2:the tentacles, baby, there's gotta be tentacles coming. And then this little tree person comes up the wall and I was like what the hell, is this so disappointing?
Speaker 1:um, so he's blasting down, she's blasting across, then they get on her side, then he's blasting across. And it was nice because there was teamwork and camaraderie. And these are two. They're pros, they're not going to screw things up and it's just nice to see pros. They don't talk about it, they just do their thing.
Speaker 2:I mean it's also you know, let's be honest, it's a little bit easy of a job because the tree people are so stupid.
Speaker 1:They get a little smarter later.
Speaker 2:A little, not like a ton, but a little they set a trap at one point she's injured.
Speaker 1:The morning comes, she holds up her pad Best birthday ever and he laughs.
Speaker 2:It's funny stuff. And then her injury disappears, same with his injury A little bit later. He gets smashed between a mountain and a car, and then he's pretty much fine. There's some weird stuff in this movie. Second screen.
Speaker 1:These are superheroes, you know. They heal fast and they live big lives. They live big lives, baby. They fix all the defenses and then this weird drone comes out of the gorge and you're like I don't know what is happening. It kind of goes up and it kind of goes boopity, boopity, boopity, boopity, boopity, boop Takes off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:Did you? I had no idea what was going on with that.
Speaker 2:No, I, I had no idea and I was like, oh, another mystery. And then not really not really they answer it and it's just like oh yeah, okay, it's the same people that are gonna, you know, set all the stuff up and brought you there. They're just checking shit out, yeah they take samples down there.
Speaker 1:It's December, he's got a still that he makes booze with.
Speaker 2:Where are all those samples, dan? I'm just putting this together now because they're collecting samples. We don't solve that Well no, they may plant people warriors. They're working on it. Right but the movie ends and a happy ending, but there should be people out there working on Super Soldiers. There are Not a great ending.
Speaker 1:No, I mean they sort of solved the Crucible problem, but the DNA is already out there.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying, but they don't seem to care. They should have to go kill all those people. That's Gorge 2. I'm not going to watch Gorge 2 because there's no gorge in it, because they blew up the gorge. I'll watch Gorge 2.
Speaker 1:Gorge 2, gorgeless Christmas Tree Snowman. Then they play chess in homage of her best characters. And then they play drums in homage of his best character. Now here's the fun part.
Speaker 2:I don't know if this is true or not. They said it in an interview. I read it, I think it was. Was it People or Entertainment Weekly? One of the two? They did an interview and they said that those were in the script before they signed on to the movie and they tried to have them removed from the movie because they thought it was too on the nose. And the director was like no, no, no, we're going to keep them because I think it's fun and cute.
Speaker 1:That's nice. I agree, I thought it was cute, it was great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I thought it worked really well, but it was funny just being like it was already in the script. So it's not because of them, it just really worked out nicely.
Speaker 1:You're going to have Russians play chess period. Sure that makes sense.
Speaker 2:And the drums thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Not a lot else to do, I guess, around the gorge.
Speaker 1:It is a thing that you can't really play piano with each other. You sing, I'll play piano. It can kind of do drums. It kind of makes sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 1:February. So now we've skipped. We skipped all of January.
Speaker 2:The best month.
Speaker 1:Bad dreams. She can see she's having a hard time. She can see that he's having a hard time. There was one nice scene where she could she really clocked that he was having a hard time and it was just kind of nice.
Speaker 2:Like you said, the distance thing yeah, and they're emotionally in tune whilst being so far apart. I just it's a really nice character connection and you know, then we jump into the gorge and ruin the whole thing february 14th.
Speaker 1:She knows that her dad is, you know, off on himself she's crying.
Speaker 2:We know as well, so I just don't care that much. Yeah, I think it's more interesting if she has to open up to him You're right and open up to us at the same time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's kind of funny Because you'd think that doing that exposition in the front Would be the right way to do it, as opposed to doing it on a piece of paper. But doing it on a piece of paper is ten times more emotional.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and not only is it more emotional, it's what we're doing in the movie. This is their relationship, so let me see them build a real connection over this time.
Speaker 1:I don't know, and it would have worked. It would have worked really good, it would have worked really nicely. You would have found something that he could do to support her in some subtle distance way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like take off his shirt again because his abs are out of control in this movie. Oh my God, we'll get to your favorite scene later, tony.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry. So then she writes I wish you were here with me and you're like, oh, this is they modulated. That aspect of it is like who's after who. She's kind of after him a little bit more than he is after her, and she's kind of after him a little bit more than he is after her, and it's kind of.
Speaker 2:Well, but she sort of starts spying.
Speaker 1:She sort of makes. She makes moves, just like he makes moves 100%, and it's just. That's nice. These are two type A's that don't have to dominate the they're snipers, right. So they're type A's that that don't have to dominate they're snipers, right. So they're type A's that wait for their opportunity, but they always take their opportunity.
Speaker 2:You got to take the shot when you got it.
Speaker 1:Dan.
Speaker 2:That's what I've learned about snipers and stuff.
Speaker 1:So he disassembles a bomb, turns it into a missile. I love that immediately.
Speaker 2:He's in action, he's like I can get there, I can figure this out. Let's figure this out.
Speaker 1:Let's solve this problem and it's intercut really nicely, it's handled really nicely, it's shot really nicely. He shoots the thing across. Then he holds up a thing to her that says dinner tonight and you're like, oh OK.
Speaker 2:Adorable.
Speaker 1:What a perfect thing to say. Shoots it across, zip lines across, has to pull himself the rest of the way. Very funny. Um, she's like I made rabbit pie. I'm like, uh, this is a callback joke that we do and you know you're like she made rabbit pie. Oh that there's good hunting where they are.
Speaker 2:Yes, and so they, they do hunt, yeah, something yeah.
Speaker 1:He brought her flowers, but oh, and then. Then he hits her with the line oh my God, what a good line. There's a lot more green in your eyes, oh my God.
Speaker 2:I was like oh my God, oh my God, that's a thank you.
Speaker 1:And I didn't really think about it. It's a joke and it's a beautiful line, right? Because he doesn't know what color her eyes are.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's very far away. He's very, very far away. It's good.
Speaker 1:He's good and that's the thing about this movie, with their interactions and the humor. It's humor, right, it's not jokes. Yes, it's emotional humor that's given by two people that can do it, and then, she says you smell, yeah, and you're like oh, he does smell Great stuff.
Speaker 2:Of course I don't remember exactly what he says, but he's like I misjudged the cable bow or something. I had to pull myself the second half and I was like that's great stuff. It's true, that's wonderful. Yeah, that's like a wonderful, humorous, very real moment and it's great, it's really nice. And then we're about to ruin the movie.
Speaker 1:I just want to keep in mind, I gotta go into the gorge is almost over. We're almost done with the great stuff um, she makes him go take a shower in the shower room and then she moves his clothes. So she, he has to go, hilarious, great stuff. And she makes him go take a shower in the shower room and then she moves his clothes. So she, he has to go hilarious great stuff and she puts on this really cute little vest.
Speaker 2:Yep, yeah he. I don't know when he got ripped, but like he looks good in this movie, he's ready for action films.
Speaker 1:Um, they, they talk, then they have talk about shots, and then she says something and she's like oh, you've probably been trying to figure out how to get in my pants.
Speaker 2:You're like ooh, ooh ooh yeah, very good, very good. The answer is yes, he has been thinking about that.
Speaker 1:And then they talk about the nightmare of being a sniper and the art of the perfect shot, and you know about trying to compartmentalize.
Speaker 2:And then they there's a really nice line where I think she just flat out says like, do you love it? And he says not as much as I used to, or something like that, and I was like that's a really nice. There's some really nice character bits here. That's just like he's really good at it, but like that shit takes a toll on you. I, you know, I don't know personally, but I imagine it's nice. It's really nice and they're both kind of in that same spot, cause she was giving she would give her shell casings to her father and they called it her Shane. Cause she's like I'm good at it but don't love it. You know, it's just, it's great stuff yeah, trying to distance herself from this.
Speaker 1:This act, that is, yeah, that you know has repercussions and even if it's bad people, you're also working for a government and you don't know how bad the bad people are. Maybe it's just ain't that the truth?
Speaker 2:you don't know yeah, um.
Speaker 1:And then maybe it's the next morning she sees him writing and she's like what do you write? He writes poetry. Then we get this great little interchange where he says that he took a class. I was just like you killed me with that line. It was just you know. And then she's like are you good? And then she's like you go into the, you know, have you written anything about me? And he's like, yes, and you she's like are you good? And then she's like you go into the, you know, have you written?
Speaker 2:anything about me and he's like, yes, and you're just like, oh my God, he's totally won her heart. But then we don't get to read it. We do later. We only get to read a very little bit of it. She keeps that very private, which is it's a nice moment, but like I'm curious, you know.
Speaker 1:But he gives her the title she Collapsed the Night. It's a good title, good title, good title.
Speaker 2:I don't know much about poetry, but it is a good title.
Speaker 1:Next day he's going back, you know, and then he tells her that he loved the rabbit pie. Humorously, I don't remember how the line went, but it was really good. Yeah, how the line went, but it was really good, yeah. Um, and as he's going across, because you know you can't have it, you can't have it angled about to the middle point, then he's got to pull himself across. He gets there and then the zombies attack, right then, and then one of the mines goes off and it blows the cable and down he goes yeah, he goes down quick he goes down quick, she acts just as quick, immediately, she immediately jumps in another, like nice moment, where it's just like.
Speaker 2:She's like, I'm not even thinking about it, I'm going in, going after the guy she just fills a bag, gets a parachute and then just jumps and then the credit should roll, because that's the end of the movie. This was a great 90 minute movie. That's the end of the movie. This was a great 90-minute movie.
Speaker 1:That's where you're absolutely wrong, because she lands in the river down there and it's really nice. It's really nice her trying to get the parachute. She loses the little machine that would pull them back up the cable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was a little confused.
Speaker 1:They're stuck down there. Yes, bump, bump, bump Ruppet comes in the water, yeah. And then she climbs out onto a log, he's upside down in this corpse tree and then a corpse of peed comes down out of the tree. Did you, did you coin that? Yeah?
Speaker 2:that's nice. I like that a lot, I bet you.
Speaker 1:They called it a corpse of Pete in the movie, but it is.
Speaker 2:There's not a chance, there's no way.
Speaker 1:I bet you they called it a corpse of Pete. And he shoots it, but then he falls down and then the tree gets in with its gooeyness, and then it's kind of Venus, fly trappy, and then it's got little and unfortunately this is one of the best parts of horror in the movie because then it becomes not that almost at all now.
Speaker 2:Then it's just tree people the rest of the time. This is like when you first fall you're like, oh cool, this whole place. What was that movie we watched? Where like a forbidden planet or whatever, like where the planet was supposed to be super dangerous but then nothing happened on the planet and it was totally fine. That's what this felt like. We start with two really nice moments of like, oh, this place can be very dangerous, and then it's kind of not.
Speaker 1:And also you needed to ramp up until you have some big creature at the end, Some big yeah a big creature would be great, not some doofus on a horse so stupid. Yep. So she saves, saves him, cuts him free, and then we have the horsemen, and they're just plant zombies on plant zombie, horses on horses, and they attack them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like why? Because they eat them. They want to eat them. Yeah, I mean, that's what he says. It's like based on how skinny they are, they probably eat us. That's not exactly. He said things that make more sense than what I just said it doesn't make any sense, because there's only one person a year, right? Most of the time they don't come in. Most of those people don't fall in. So what are they doing like? No, come up with something else, come up with a different idea and what it is, is they're just trying to convert them, maybe, like it's a conversion.
Speaker 2:They're like hey, we need more people for our army for when we take over the world. They're not. They're not doing that, they're staying in the gorge for the most part, yeah.
Speaker 1:And they're wearing military uniforms. So what we find out, basically what we find out, is that this is a joint. How did it all start? I guess it was World War II. They were researching stuff, they were doing the research here, but it was us and the Soviets together, and then things went horribly wrong.
Speaker 2:As they tend to do.
Speaker 1:And they sort of sealed it off, but they actually sort of left it there. And then Sigourney Weaver's, but they actually sort of left it there. And then Sigourney Weaver's people are still going down there for samples to try and figure out how to use it To the collective good so basically, we have a whole town slash military base that has been over, you know, that has been deformed by this evil gas, and not even evil gas, just bad gas, bad gas.
Speaker 2:Just kind of gas.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:No, gas is good gas, right? I don't know.
Speaker 1:No, gas is good, gas Oxygen is good.
Speaker 2:So I guess, if we're calling gas like a periodic element, okay sure.
Speaker 1:Well, you know what a gas is Gaseous state. Right, you have solid liquid and gaseous state Sure.
Speaker 2:I like the H2O. That's all I need.
Speaker 1:So basically that's the premise. They go through the corpse forest world between life and death and then they get to a town that has mailboxes and I was like, wait, there's a town with mailboxes. That's kind of odd.
Speaker 2:You think they still get mail.
Speaker 1:I'm not quite sure how you're going to get. Why would you have mailbox? Well, I guess maybe people had an outgoing mail, like when you were working there in 1946.
Speaker 2:I mean, I guess, but would you do it at a mailbox? You had a mailman come collect it and then ship it out, I guess. But it would just be easy to just bring it to a center. You know like, hey, I'm going to mail this.
Speaker 1:It should have just been like a military town, you know. It should have been like Los Alamos or something as opposed to.
Speaker 2:A town of some sort.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they go in a church to sort of hide and see what's going on, and then they get attacked by skeletons. Now they get attack by these spiders. Now are the spiders? Are they skulls with legs? Yeah, okay, you didn't see them well enough.
Speaker 2:You didn't see them well enough and at first I was like, oh cool, giant spiders. And then I was like, is this a skull spider? That's less cool. And listen, I'm sure on paper, when you're coming up with ideas, you're like, well, what if the skulls sprout legs and kill people? I'm sure it sounds cool visually. I wasn't. You know they're not. It's all disappointing. I hate it all. If I'm being honest, the gorge sucks. It's not the movie, the actual gorge, it's very video gamey, you know super.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is this is the scene that felt like watching somebody play Resident Evil.
Speaker 1:It very much felt like that Spiders, she used a big grenade booms the whole place. They run. They find this bunker in the side of the gorge. They go inside there and they find the lab and this is where they find everything out. They find a film. They fire up a generator. They find out everything that's happened. There was an earthquake in their bio lab and then it released the bad gas. But then they find some 80s computers. So they're like oh, people have been back down here since.
Speaker 2:Oh dear.
Speaker 1:And basically on the computer it's like here's every piece of information, completely unencrypted.
Speaker 2:Just double click this one file on the desktop. We'll keep it clean. So it's the only thing you can click, and there you go and they both kind of question their lives.
Speaker 1:I think he says it was worth all of this because I got to know you, because I met you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would care more if I wasn't so mad at this point. You know, like they lost me, they lost the thread a little bit, poor Tony, I just I wish that it was more mysterious, you know like visually.
Speaker 2:there's some cool stuff, yeah Right. I just wish that I was more like what the hell's going on in this gorge, and I'm not. I was more like what the hell's going on in this gorge, and I'm like what the hell's going on in this gorge. You know what I mean. There's a difference in those intonations that make a world of difference. Second screen, Second screen it's the second screen movie.
Speaker 1:She forgot her ammo bag outside, which never would have happened.
Speaker 2:No, she's a trained super good sniper. That's weird. And just in the middle of the place like what's happening.
Speaker 1:So they go out, but they throw some smoke out there and then they reach for the ammo bag. Well, it turns out the horseman did the thing and she gets dragged away by the horseman. It was kind of nice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I mean, it's a fun little scene. If he wasn't the main bad guy, it would have been fine.
Speaker 1:She gets knocked out. He starts looking for her. He finds this giant smoke pit. He finds missiles. She's hung up by the fire. She fights the last guy. Pretty good fight. For sure, the fight choreography on most of the stuff. The church was a little rocky but you can actually see what's going on and I always felt tense.
Speaker 1:In all the fights I was just like, oh, I don't want my people to get hurt For sure, because I cared about them. I can't think of how many. You can count on one hand, the amount of characters I've actually cared about and fight In your entire life. No, just on our show. Oh, I'm so funny In your entire life. No, just on our show. Oh, I'm so funny. I'm making myself laugh on my sides. I have to hold my sides because I'm so funny.
Speaker 2:Someone's got to make me laugh on this show.
Speaker 1:Oh Jesus, oh all right, okay, okay.
Speaker 2:He comes in, shoots him. They save the day. And now this is the part when they're walking out of this rocket lab thing, there's this like the people that are like gooey. I like that. I really liked this.
Speaker 1:This is where we needed to explore this more.
Speaker 2:They're not trees you see what I'm saying, no, I don't know what they are and I like that. But I'm like what is going on with these people? We don't really know and then we just leave them. They just walk by them for the most part but it's fun.
Speaker 1:They piss it off for a second and it grabs one of them and then they just shoot it with a big thing and then they leave. I like the part she shoots it with the flame grenade and then she covers his body with her body. I wanted her to be injured from that.
Speaker 2:Sure, yeah Well. The good news is, even if she was, it would have disappeared in the next scene.
Speaker 1:So it's fine. Okay, let's see they find maintenance. They get a Jeep with a winch, they go, they find the thing.
Speaker 2:They start winch. How does a winch work? Because I'm confused. If I'm being honest, you could get it to work, maybe, okay, maybe. How.
Speaker 1:Typically a winch winches back on itself, right? So?
Speaker 2:you have a winch that has I don't know, 20 feet of cable or whatever, not 500, whatever that they said.
Speaker 1:But yeah, continue so you pull out the cable and then you know, whatever there might be a way to wrap it around so that it and I think that's how they did it where okay it, it wraps over itself and then just continues wrapping over itself.
Speaker 2:Over and over. Yeah, so it's almost like a conveyor belt at that point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sort of. I don't think that that would work. I think it would reach one side and then not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It was weird to me, I was a little confused, but it's fine. I want them to get out of the gorge.
Speaker 1:So badly I confused, but it's it's fine, I want them to get out of the gorge so badly. I don't care if they flew, all right, but it's set up an interesting thing where the, the plant zombies, are crawling up the rope to get them.
Speaker 2:It's a cool.
Speaker 1:It's like a cool set piece and they're in the truck and they're in the truck, you know, shooting down and fighting this way and fighting that way, it's shot. Kind of weird it kind of doesn't work, but it's. They didn't have enough money to make it look really good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then at one point he gets pinched in between the mountain and a Jeep and screams, and then he's fine, he can climb up the rest of the mountain, all fine, it was a little weird, a little weird.
Speaker 1:They finally get out, they finally cut the rope and the Jeep falls and they all fall and they finished the climb, the bandage up, and then we kind of set up that they have to wait five days. Right, make sure they're not infected by the gas, like well we've all been through that. You know, and he, they talk, he, I was expendable. I was expendable. Now I have something to live for. We could run. No, we got to destroy it. He tells her that he loves her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so now this is the part where they have to already know that if they leave they're going to get murdered. Yeah, so they know that they can't just go back. Yeah, right, they know that someone else is going to come. They kind of have to run right and they're like or we could destroy the gorge? Yeah, you know, and they can do all, but if we destroy it we're probably going to die. Right, you know, like there has to be stakes to that sort of thing, because just destroying it and then going to eat at cafe dumont is ridiculous. Uh, so I just I wanted more stakes here. And then going to eat at Cafe Dumont is ridiculous. So I just I wanted more steaks here. And then, you know, part of me just wants him to like, pick love and then let the world get run over by monsters. That would be a fun ending Hateful.
Speaker 1:Tony, that's not hateful, it's love. So Sigourney Weaver calls him on the telephone and is all like you're still a good boy, right? And he's like I'm still a good boy, right. And he's like I'm still a good boy.
Speaker 2:And then she's like looking at a video camera that shows that he's not a good boy, and you know, similar to oblivion. Not that oblivion's a great movie, but it's the same idea where like you're calling in, you're doing something you don't totally know and I would prefer that. I would prefer sigourney is just a voice. Just a voice and then shows up at the end. Once we understand what's actually happening doesn't really matter, but I wanted those check-ins to be more dubious I guess, or something like I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's just things that are there that feel like they should mean something, don't really mean anything, it's just. It's almost too tidy, it's almost too neat.
Speaker 1:We set up the check-ins at the beginning where the he's like I want to say something, and they're like no, click, turn off. No, don't talk to us, don't talk.
Speaker 2:Right and you're like why? Why? Because you're, and I still don't know.
Speaker 1:There was no reason. You're trying to keep him there, right, and you do not want to find a new guy, so you should be like how's it going? Yeah, your drops. It should be. There should be a friendly voice on that other end. Yeah, that makes him think that he's working for the friendlies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know I'll oblivion Not that she would, because she was weird the whole time as well, but the idea is like we're pretending to be the good guys on the phone, but really we're the bad guys. Yeah, because I need that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you don't need that guy on the phone treating you like shit. You're like why is he treating him like shit?
Speaker 2:I'm not going to call you ever again you son of a bitch, because they have no control over him you need to retain control over him he should almost be looking forward to the one piece of human contact a month. He gets you know, like how's the outside, what's going on? Like I need this human connection.
Speaker 1:Getting the baseball scores or whatever. And that was the thing I also was sort of there. At a certain point I was like, well, maybe she's playing him, I know she's not. But in a different movie you would have set up, you would have made the two of them a little, you'd have picked one side. I have a serial.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And you'd have been like. Can he trust her exactly? That would be something. Yeah, you know, and maybe she's like we got to go down in the. You know there's a different movie there. They really wanted to do the love story. The love story really worked. But yeah, for a while you could have, at a certain point you could have gone and been like add some, add another layer.
Speaker 2:Add a layer to it. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:Second screen. Shut the Too many layers in a second screen. So basically Sigourney Weaver's people come on a helicopter and just sort of land there and our guys could have just shot them to death in one second and killed them.
Speaker 2:They're snipers guys, what are we even thinking? That was a horribly dangerous idea.
Speaker 1:And then we have the part of the movie I truly hated, which were these machine gun drones that came out of the mist and tried to kill them, and they were the least professional.
Speaker 2:I mean the sniper should have been.
Speaker 1:You know, I'm behind a tree.
Speaker 2:And at one point he's just laying on the ground and just shoots it with a handgun. I was like that should not happen. That should not be possible with an AI drone. Okay.
Speaker 1:Have you ever watched real drone footage on YouTube? Not really, no, oh my God, it's so terrible, you know, like you have the rebel people in their little truck and then it's just like it just goes. They just the first, you know, they just cease to exist.
Speaker 2:It's so terrible. It's so terrible, it's just like awful.
Speaker 1:It's so inhuman. But that's where war is at with drones.
Speaker 2:War is awful.
Speaker 1:The drones are very successful at what they do and have these minigun drones it's really dopey.
Speaker 2:No, these were not good drones. Maybe they're just old. Maybe they started in 1942 or whenever the war was. What war was this?
Speaker 1:It was the end of World War II.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was close with the year, right? What did you say? I have no idea I don't want to talk about it, I said 1942.
Speaker 1:What are?
Speaker 2:the years of World War II, tony? I don't know, I don't know. What are the years of World War II, tony? I don't know, I don't know anything.
Speaker 1:When did we drop the bombs?
Speaker 2:on Japan D-Day.
Speaker 1:Was that right, or was that the opposite? Do you even know what D-Day is?
Speaker 2:D-Day is when we got bombed right. You don't know what.
Speaker 1:D-Day is.
Speaker 2:I just said it isn't it. I was right. Right, it's with the boat.
Speaker 1:No, it's not the boat, the boat you mean Pearl Harbor, that's the one. Yeah, pearl Harbor is when the Japanese sneak attack does, at Pearl Harbor, which is in Hawaii.
Speaker 2:And that's not.
Speaker 1:D-Day. D-day is, I'm not sure when D-Day was.
Speaker 2:See, you don't know anything either. Well, I know exactly what.
Speaker 1:D-Day is D-Day is saving Private Ryan.
Speaker 2:I've seen that film At the beginning of that where they stormed the beaches of Normandy. Oh sure, yeah, yeah yeah. That's a sad movie. I don't like that movie one bit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they kill the sniper in that movie Boo Boo.
Speaker 2:I knew they were going to kill him. They kill a lot of people in that movie Because he has like Barry Pepper playing the sniper.
Speaker 1:I'm like. This is the greatest character of all time. This is who I want to be and they're like, but you know you're going to kill him.
Speaker 2:You don't want to be him Dan.
Speaker 1:No, it's pretty cool. There's, like this, one, really famous Russian sniper in World War II. Oh man, okay.
Speaker 2:He killed so many people. When they were talking about Miles Teller's confirmed kills they were like a hundred, something like that felt like a lot right, not a chance.
Speaker 1:I I mean I don't know, but that's just way too many you.
Speaker 2:Just it felt like a lot and I don't know anything about, but I was like, let's you know, he's still a couple of a week.
Speaker 1:He's still a young guy and and he's never gonna be. You know, it's like you're in world war ii. Every day you're gonna go out and try and kill one or two people, right? So yeah, you do that for a couple years you're going to go out and try and kill one or two people, right? So you do that for a couple years you're going to have a big pile of bodies, but in more modern warfare, one guy's just not going to have a I don't think.
Speaker 1:Who knows? So, basically, they blow the cloakers, which means that the spy satellites can see it, which means that people are going to know that the gorge is there a little, a little bit of stretch, and so they set off the protocol which drops the bomb down in there. The bomb explodes.
Speaker 2:They've been running away and then why did they need to do the first part if they're just going to blow it up?
Speaker 1:what's the first part?
Speaker 2:taking the cloakers down so that people can know that it's there.
Speaker 1:The cloakers is what causes stray dog to to happen.
Speaker 2:Oh, so, so, okay. So there it's a chain reaction where it's like we lost our cloakers, we have to blow the thing.
Speaker 1:Yes, because we can't be found out. All right yeah, as right yeah, so they run the proper distance. It blows up. Anya Taylor-Joy waits in a cave for five days. She's not infected. She goes to this place where they decided to go to. Oh, he gave her the poem, so she gets to read the poem in a month, and then he doesn't show up for a couple of months for unknowable reasons. And then he shows up month, and then he doesn't show up for a couple of months for unknowable reasons and then he shows up yeah, what's he doing for months?
Speaker 2:That seems Hobbling. I guess he had to walk all the way back and that's a long ways. How do they get back, you think Dan, to where you think? They just walk? Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well because it's 38 miles or whatever, to the drop zone but they can't just get picked up A lot further out to civilization?
Speaker 2:Well, these are pros.
Speaker 1:Survival skills Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sure, she seems fine. Yeah, they both seem pretty okay if they walked, you know, thousand miles to civilization.
Speaker 1:She's so hot, she just meets anyone and they're all like. I'll take you anywhere Come on into my truck.
Speaker 2:I'll drive you where you want to go. Here is so much money. I only have three credit cards, but just spread it out among all three.
Speaker 1:I was watching Saturday Night Live had Sidney Sweeney on. I guess this year I didn't know. Sure I hadn't seen it, but they did a Hooters one where the other waitresses and Bowen Yang don't get any action and then she gets all the action. Kenan's character runs in. You know he's like. I went to the bank, it took out all my money here's, here's thirty thousand dollars you know you're like, ah, the truth of reality.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they live happily ever after. And the, the sigourney weaver's company, dark cloud, cloud or whatever it was, is making zombie plant men, super soldiers, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we don't care. I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 1:It just felt weird.
Speaker 2:I'm sure it's another movie, but should they have a happy ending, they're the only people on Earth that know the truth of this dark federation. That's not the right word. Business. This is dark business. This is dark corporation.
Speaker 1:Business, dark business, dark corporation, corporation. That's good. Miles Teller's going to wake up and he's going to be like the plant man, the plant man, the plant man. And she's going to be like okay, honey, we'll go kill every.
Speaker 2:I guess we gotta go kill them all, we'll go kill all the corporate assholes, I don't know.
Speaker 1:There it is.
Speaker 2:It's just weird, I just let down Second screen. I wish I would have had one. What?
Speaker 1:do you mean You're sitting in bed next to your wife?
Speaker 2:But I like to watch our movies Because I gotta talk about them Half intellectually.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but there's your question If you'd have been watching this, not for the show.
Speaker 2:I would have been fine Would you have had your phone. Honestly, even if I was watching it for the show knowing now what I know.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. You did watch it for the show.
Speaker 2:Right, but at the time I was like I should pay attention. But hindsight's, 20-20 and I could have definitely second-screened this movie and still got all of the information that I got out of it the first time.
Speaker 1:You know, it's like I'm always writing stuff down. I had to stop a couple of times because a lot of things did, you know. Actually I had to stop a couple of times because good things were happening, you know, and you saw the first half of the movie, the first half of the movie You're like oh, oh, wow, that's really nice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is interesting, this is lovely, this is great. Let's go into the gorge and just forget everything and do a piece of shit movie. Yeah, that's right and it's called the Gorge, so that should be the good part of the movie. It should only elevate in the second act and it just flatlines.
Speaker 1:But I got to say this was probably the least painful movie we've ever done, in my opinion.
Speaker 2:I mean it's definitely up there. I can't remember 98% of the movies we've done, but it's definitely up there.
Speaker 1:I just sat there and watched it. At no point did I be like, oh God, I need a second screen or I'm going to die.
Speaker 2:I laughed a lot in the Gorge, I'll tell you that. But before that I was totally in.
Speaker 1:I really enjoyed it, tony.
Speaker 2:It's a fine movie yeah.
Speaker 1:I look forward to whatever the writers and director do after this. Sure, sure, good luck to them. Good luck to them. I looked at the Rotten Tomatoes and it's like critics was 66, normal human beings with 73. And I bet you they didn't spend a bunch of money doing fake reviews for it. That's like a real it's a real 73 or 77 or whatever it was. You're like that's what the movie is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's pretty good.
Speaker 1:It's not like the poor Snow White movie. That's like negative 100.
Speaker 2:I mean we're definitely going to do that when it comes to streaming. No, we're not. We are absolutely doing that we are gonna do snow white, I don't care what you say I need to see it.
Speaker 1:We've never done any of the disney live action, but I need this. There's so much drama around it, just in general I have to see it it's probably worth watching just to see how terrible gal gadot is, Cause she is supposed to be. She's gotta be pretty bad.
Speaker 2:She's supposed to be terrible. Listen, I like her, but she's not. She's good.
Speaker 1:Versatile. She was good. She was really good in the first wonder woman. That was a really good movie.
Speaker 2:Cause she's, she's. You know she can play a bad-ass action star. This is not that you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty excited we're doing it. I don't care what you say, I'm very excited. It's months away. I'll probably forget.
Speaker 1:Now we talk about something we like.
Speaker 2:Tony, what did you like this week? The end of another wonderful season of Reacher.
Speaker 1:last night, no Thursday night.
Speaker 2:Dude, I love this show. Are all the seasons as good as season one? No, yeah, they're not. Season one is pretty, nice, perfect show, really. It's a perfect show for me, uh, but they're still great. I still I love him.
Speaker 2:He is just dynamite, I, I, and the show it ends really nicely and there's just like this beautiful shot at the end of him riding away in a motorcycle, and I was like, fuck, this is a cool show. I you know I I'll watch this until it ends, without a doubt. This is, this is. This is a show for me. I love it and he's.
Speaker 1:He's a badass and he's a cool dude in real life too, he's so cool dude, he, he's so cool.
Speaker 2:Uh, apparently he wrote and uh directed a horror movie or something, and so I need to find this movie and I need to watch it.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, okay. What do you got, dan?
Speaker 2:I watched the residence oh, that is on my list. How is that?
Speaker 1:shondaland's uh mystery. I will. I'll watch just about any mystery, right? I love mysteries. I loved it. I love the form and to see how people deal with it. Um, except for you, don't watch.
Speaker 2:Psych, so I've watched some of that, yeah. I know you've watched some of it. You watch all of it.
Speaker 1:Cover to cover multiple times that's a TV that's like a. You know, I like to watch prestige format TV. How?
Speaker 2:dare you. Usa TV is the pinnacle of television.
Speaker 1:The people in this show, the actors, yeah, good, who all you got so good? Well, the woman was crazy eyes in Orange is the New Black, which I only saw a little bit of that show. Okay, and then Giancarlo Esposito plays the main character. It was Andrew Brower, but he died in the middle of filming it. So they had to recast and go back and do it again. Oh wow, okay, your boy taryn killam's in here. Very good, um, what's his name there's another bronson pinchot was in it.
Speaker 1:Bronson pinchot, I did not even recognize him. Wow, okay, he's very good. Um and like, because it's about the White House and the people they have playing. Yeah, like the staff, the African-American staff, and they're just. There are some performances in this show that you're just like. This is a real, this feels like a real person and it's just written really well and the primary detective woman I just loved, loved, you know it's. She was just great and the way they wrote it was great it.
Speaker 1:You know it is eight episodes. You know an hour, our last couple, I think an hour and 15. An hour and a half, it's a lot. Yeah, for sure, al franken plays, uh, like a senator, and you know know.
Speaker 2:A little on the nose.
Speaker 1:He's great. He knows what he's doing hey, there you go. But just so much humanity in it. I just it blew me away All right. Like I say, other than you know, but they do a really good job of letting you keep track of all these characters, because it's so many characters?
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:They do the due diligence. So if you were to watch one a week, you would not go back in and be like who is this? What is this? What's going on?
Speaker 2:What's happening? For sure back in and be like who is this? What is this? What's going on? What's happening? Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:Because it's a lot of fast forwards. You know what's that when you show something that already happened? Flashbacks Flashbacks, that's what they're called.
Speaker 2:Backflash. I like that.
Speaker 1:So there's a lot of that, and the way that they handle that is really smart. Oh, and what's his name? Park randall park? Oh, sure, yeah, the he's. He's so good. And this is this I think. You know I didn't really watch, was he fresh off the boat.
Speaker 2:Is that the way he did?
Speaker 1:yeah, you know it's a standard sitcom. It's kind of stuff tony likes, you know.
Speaker 2:I do like a good sitcom.
Speaker 1:But yeah, it's just this really nice light comedy zone that he gets to live in.
Speaker 2:And he's great. Yeah, we started watching a sitcom. Speaking of that, did you Point Guard, taking point, high point? I don't know.
Speaker 1:It's a basketball show. Is that the one where the guy's in the hospital bed in the promo.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yep, yeah, yeah, what's the end? And it's good, it's fine. Yeah, it's totally fine. Yeah, we're having a good time, it's all right kate it's not kate winslet. What's hudson? Kate hudson? Oh, there we go. That's who's uh the lead lady in it, but uh, yeah, it's fun it's fine.
Speaker 1:I think I watched three of the one, with the only sunny woman, that her you know solving the crimes.
Speaker 2:Oh, high Potential. Yeah, I watched like three of those. Yeah, we like that show. Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's great, you know, she's awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's wonderful. She's Her other show. I think it was the last one. She did the Mick or whatever. That was also really fun too. So she's great and she's gonna keep killing it. Yeah, she's great.
Speaker 1:Tony, we need a movie for next week. We had a decent movie this week. We had a decent movie last week. I don't know. The podcast is off. It's off the rails If you don't find us something, that's truly terrible.
Speaker 2:I'm not doing it. I think we're going to watch something that's pretty good. We've been talking about it for a couple weeks. You brought it up. It's cleaner. Of course I need to see it. It's Die Hard with a hotel cleaning lady or something. Window washer.
Speaker 1:I don't really remember what it is. It's a hotel cleaning lady. I don't know. I'm here, I I don't know I'm here. I'm here to clean your windows. What are you doing? I don't know.
Speaker 2:Fighting terrorists. I think Clive Owen is a terrorist, so that should be good, you know, yeah, we're going to watch Cleaner. It's out on VOT. It's going to be great, it could be good. I don't know who is it? Daisy Ridley.
Speaker 1:Is that who that is? I Daisy.
Speaker 2:Ridley. I like Daisy Ridley yeah, me too. So we're going to watch it, see what's going on.
Speaker 1:I never saw the last Star Wars movie.
Speaker 2:Well, if people are to believe, you didn't miss anything, did you?
Speaker 1:ever see the final Star Wars movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we saw it in theaters. It's 90 to 95% fan service oh okay, you know what I mean and like a little bit of retconning After the middle one that everyone seemed to hate but I actually really liked a lot. So it's just, it's not a great movie, but there's a lot of fan service. So if you like Star Wars, you know.
Speaker 1:You like the gambling planet?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love the gambling. No, I mean, I don't care about the gambling. I liked Luke's storyline.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, that's fine, I enjoyed that yeah, sure, but as long as you didn't like the gambling storyline and you didn't like this.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's my favorite planet they've ever done Damn. Okay, Because there's gambling. The slow speed outer space chase yeah, that's good. That's good too.
Speaker 1:A lot of great stuff and poor Rose.
Speaker 2:You were just like could a character be shit on anymore? They effed her so hard, Very sad.
Speaker 1:It's like why is this character here and why are you doing this to this poor character? I rarely feel empathy for a character in a movie. You're just like, oh man bro, they did you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they did you dirty. Yeah, it's tough. It's tough, very unnecessary. You can't win them all, no, you can't. At least you're getting done dirty in a Star Wars movie, so a billion people are seeing it. That's something, is that?
Speaker 1:good? I don't think that's good, Tony. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2:It could be seen as worse because more people are seeing. I don't know. That's a hard question to answer.
Speaker 1:I'd rather be in a small bad movie than in one of the world's biggest movies.
Speaker 2:Well sure, but, would you rather be in a good small movie that nobody sees, or a bad big movie that everybody sees?
Speaker 1:nobody sees, or a bad big movie that everybody sees and hates you.
Speaker 2:I'd rather be in the small movie that is that shows me.
Speaker 2:Nobody knows you see but I want to be shown in a good light, whatever I do well, some of us don't have that option, okay, so some of us will take what we can get. Dan, yeah, but you weren't in star wars, I wasn't in anything. I, yeah, I have a. I have a movie coming out. It's called Isaac. The trailer dropped you did. I'm not going to comment on it because I am in the film, but it doesn't look great. But I'm very excited, very excited. It's coming out, finally coming out. I shot that like three years ago.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, very small part. There it is. Yeah, it's about to blow up?
Speaker 2:Yeah, probably not. I feel like what you're saying.
Speaker 1:Remember when we just said bad small movie, that's probably where we're at. Oh well, there's a lot of bad small movies, unfortunately.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm in a couple of them. Yeah, that's great, sorry, yeah, continue your pitch, corbin Brinson.
Speaker 1:Sweet Corbin, leave us a comment, give us a thumbs up or subscribe, and we'll be back next week talking about oh, the cleaner, the cleaner. Goodbye everybody.
Speaker 2:It's like watching, yeah.