Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
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Hate Watching The Electric State: Robots, Humans, and One Really Bad Wig
In "The Electric State," Netflix's visually stunning but narratively bewildering $300 million sci-fi adventure, we're transported to an alternate 1990s America recovering from a robot war that never quite makes sense. What begins as a promising exploration of technology addiction and human-robot relations quickly devolves into a confusing rescue mission with emotional stakes that never land.
The Russo Brothers clearly poured resources into creating a visually distinctive world based on Simon Stålenhag's artwork, but neglected to fill this beautiful shell with meaningful substance. Millie Bobby Brown portrays Michelle, a young woman searching for her brother in this post-war landscape, yet her performance lacks the emotional range needed to carry such a high-concept story. Chris Pratt as her reluctant companion Keats similarly struggles to bring depth to his character, with their on-screen chemistry noticeably absent throughout.
What makes "The Electric State" particularly frustrating is its squandered potential. The premise—humans splitting their consciousness between robot bodies and virtual fantasies—raises fascinating questions about identity, addiction, and reality that remain largely unexplored. Instead, we're treated to a third act that collapses under its own illogic, culminating in an ending that contradicts the very world the film has established. The robot characters, ironically, demonstrate more personality than most of their human counterparts.
For all its flaws, the film does deliver impressive visual spectacle and some standout voice performances from its supporting cast. However, these elements only highlight what might have been had the same care been applied to the screenplay. "The Electric State" ultimately stands as a cautionary tale about prioritizing aesthetics over substance—a beautiful but hollow experience that, like its virtual reality users, remains disconnected from anything meaningful.
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Speaker 1:I can imagine Welcome to Hate Watching with Dan and Tony. I'm Dan, I'm Tony, I'm Dan, I'm Tony, and on this show we talk about a terrible movie that Hollywood has released. It's not hard to find them.
Speaker 2:They keep doing it, you know, thank goodness. T-g-f-h.
Speaker 1:I was watching. There's this guy on YouTube the Critical Drinker.
Speaker 2:First of all, it's a funny name.
Speaker 1:It's one of those ones that's pretty negative. They're like Hollywood. But some of the stuff he says is fine. He was talking about this Daisy Ridley movie called the Cleaner oh yeah, sure You've heard of that. I was like it's fake, die Hard and a terrible fake Die Hard. And the guy that did it was the guy that directed Casino Royale and one of the other ones.
Speaker 2:I heard decent things about it. I thought I thought people were like, yeah, this is a fine movie.
Speaker 1:I don't know, you don't know Everything he said when can we watch it? I don't know.
Speaker 2:We have to rent it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just there's still an infinite. You know, it's like as fast as we can go, there are still so many movies that need to be lambasted continuously.
Speaker 2:Sure, sure Is this one out, I can't even tell.
Speaker 1:It must be, he's seen it.
Speaker 2:Well sure, I mean, if he's seen it, okay, it came out february 21st, so it's it's new. Oh yeah, it's got. It's got 50, 50 uh critics, 66 audience. That's pretty good. Maybe we'll just do this next week, then we can we can tell, prove this guy wrong that's 50 critics.
Speaker 1:That's that is a lower audience rating than electric State has on there.
Speaker 2:Well, sure, but it probably doesn't have all the fan surface that Electric State has.
Speaker 1:There's so many fake ones on Electric State. You're just like these are all fake.
Speaker 2:Oh, is there really?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Well, you know that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I didn't look. I don't look at these things, so I wasn't sure, but I love that, while I was waiting for you, who was so late.
Speaker 1:I was like well, let's go to the Rotten Tomatoes and see how many people they've paid to try to prop up their terrible movie, the.
Speaker 2:Electric State. How did it do it's? Rotten Tomatoes 50% critic. That's not very good. 74% audience score that's pretty good, Pretty good. It's as good as you pay for. Yeah, people love this movie, Dan. It's as good as you pay for. Yeah, people love this movie, Dan. This is a great film. This is a great film. This is a great film. Let me tell you about this film.
Speaker 1:We're doing the Electric State Right. Brand new Netflix, $300 million blockbuster. Oh gosh, guys, let me 2025, two hours and eight minutes, but probably 15 to 17 minutes.
Speaker 2:I think it is 17, because we looked at it when she was giving her speech at the end and my wife was like there's 18 minutes. I was like no, there's not, there's nothing else to happen, what's going on here? And sure enough, it wraps up pretty quickly. So, yeah, a lot of people worked on it. It looks nice, dan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I bet you on a big screen. This is a good looking movie, Well, but it's not on the big screen?
Speaker 2:Is it on the big screen? Did it do a simultaneous release?
Speaker 1:Okay, no, they're not crazy.
Speaker 2:Then you're going to need a big projector in your house to make it look nice guys.
Speaker 1:Let me ask you this question, Donut, Before we go any further we did another movie, maybe a month back, maybe a little more, called Borderlands.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I don't even remember Borderlands, I don't either.
Speaker 1:But based on your foggy memory, better movie, worse movie than Electric State.
Speaker 2:I think that I mean as a movie. It's probably better.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:But I think that I enjoyed this movie more than I enjoyed Borderlands.
Speaker 2:Okay that makes sense, but this movie is not very interesting. You know what I mean. Like script, like the plot, like as a movie, I don't think it's very good, but I think it's beautiful. I think it's visually beautiful, I think it looks really nice and if you tune out the lead actors, there's some really good stuff. I think going on with the voice acting Hank Azaria, is hilarious for like six minutes before they just kill him off, Is he? And then the music's great. Who's?
Speaker 1:Hank Azaria he's the magician, the what is it Prospero? I think maybe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I think that sounds right Because I made the hilarious joke by more like Deaderow or something great like that last night Really really got my wife laughing. She didn't care.
Speaker 1:She didn't.
Speaker 2:No one does.
Speaker 1:I didn't like the guy that played Herm the Herm character oh interesting, no one does um. I didn't like the guy that played herm the herm character. I didn't, oh interesting, I liked herm, okay, I thought I thought herm was fun.
Speaker 2:Um, I liked him better than I liked chris pratt, so that's something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, what's wrong with millie bobby brown?
Speaker 2:well, she can't act. Oh, is that what you're asking me? Yes, that's my question.
Speaker 1:My question is the global view of her, because it's like People love her. We'll talk about her makeup next.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I just was like I'm not the connoisseur of acting. I know good acting when I see it and I'm like, oh, this person's making me feel something.
Speaker 2:But with her.
Speaker 2:Her I was just like what was going on in all this so I mean, this is gonna depend on who you ask, because let's get this out in the open people love her, people think she's great, she's wonderful. I have yet to see her in something where I go, oh she's good, she's talented. She was great in like season one. I have yet to see her in something where I go, oh she's good, she's talented. She was great in like season one of Stranger Things. Because, as a kid, acting is very difficult and she was able to portray two emotions really really well, which is like anger and sadness, or like alone. You know what I mean. Like that feeling she was very good at those two things. Sure, or like alone. You know what I mean? Like that, that feeling she was very good at those two things. It turns out, I believe, that those are the only two things she can do and they just happened to find that very young where they're like, oh, she's really good at these things and she's no good at any other things. She has no other emotions that seem human or believable, because I have yet to see anything else she's done where I think she's doing a good job Now. Granted, this script is bad. There's not a lot of good words on the page for her to say, nope, the story's bland, terrible. But you know, she has an emotional speech a couple of times. She has like two speeches in this movie, yeah, and neither of them moved me a millimeter, got it.
Speaker 2:I didn't feel it. I was just like, okay, well she's. I I almost feel like she's got cute cards on the other side of the screen because she is putting no emotion whatsoever into this and she can cry. You know, she can cry in command, which only works if, I believe, your cry. Sure, and that sounds weird, sure, but as someone who cannot cry and so did I ever tell you about the commercial? I did where I was supposed to cry and I couldn't cry. And so they, you know, they put little, they put little I don't even know what menthol or something underneath your eyes, so your eyes water. And there's other, you know, they blow stuff in your eyes. They did all this stuff for me in the commercial. And then I watched the commercial and I was like, well, that guy's not crying Because it's still here, right, you still have to have it here. And you have to have it here, you have to feel it.
Speaker 1:Just because there's water coming out of your eyes doesn't mean I believe that you're feeling emotional, so you can't conjure the sense memory to start crying.
Speaker 2:I can't do it, oh, I can't do it, oh, wow, it's just not possible.
Speaker 1:I probably I don't know why I probably can't.
Speaker 2:You can.
Speaker 1:You think so, I think so.
Speaker 2:You have a depth of feelings that are pretty. I believe you. I absolutely believe you.
Speaker 1:I have some feelings in there. I usually keep them nicely bottled up so they can come out as anger.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, that's what you should do as a man. That's what you should do as a man. Okay.
Speaker 1:But no, I have time. You know, it's like I kind of turned on some movie and I was just like, oh yeah, if I watch this movie I start crying.
Speaker 2:And I'm just like oh, I'm crying. Now I do the same thing and I can. If the cameras aren't rolling, I think I probably can't, but I can. Things can trigger things in me, but I can't do it on my own.
Speaker 2:I it, but I can things can trigger things in me, but I can't do it on my own. I don't know what it is, even if I had to do an audition. Now we're getting way off topic, but I had to do an audition a few weeks ago when I was in Switzerland, um not to put a bummer in my cat's sick and um, I had to cry. The whole commercial audition was just like oh, you have to cry. And I was like can't cry. So I called, I called my wife and she's like telling me all these things about my dying cat, and I was like, oh, I'm crying, I'm crying. And I turned on, the camera dried up and I was just like, well, I don't know what to do this doesn't work yeah, there's something wrong with me there's some, there's some.
Speaker 1:I won't necessarily say it's perfect, but it's like professionalism. You know you like and you're like.
Speaker 2:Well now, I'm at work and.
Speaker 1:I got to leave my not work stuff, Okay good job, tony.
Speaker 2:So crying's tough is all I was trying to say, and I don't feel any emotions coming from her. I feel like she fits in with the robots. Yeah, of them are, I feel like you know she fits in with the robots.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so this movie's from a source material of this guy who has a you know like a Swedish name Stellens something, something or something something You've never read.
Speaker 2:This one huh, Sci-fi man.
Speaker 1:He's mainly an illustrator, you know, and a, so he draws. So everything in this movie that's visually interesting is because of his existence, is him.
Speaker 2:Yes, so is this like a graphic novel? I should have done any research on this.
Speaker 1:It's a novel, but it's big, big color paintings. And then they do go on a road trip to find the kid, and so I think the thing is basically the same. The kid is being used, I think at the end, and she finds him In the book. The war is not explained. It's not humans versus robots. It's two groups that used a lot of VR stuff and robots and things, so it's left this sort of destroyed mechanical thing and out of that comes a lot of people being addicted to VR.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Wouldn't that have been interesting to explore?
Speaker 1:a little bit more. I mean more than the one shot that they act like they're exploring it, but the way that the whole movie is set up. You can't explore it in that one shot, that is the most angry part. I got in this whole stupid movie.
Speaker 2:Good for you. That's the right move there, Dan.
Speaker 1:I will ask you this question before we keep going. Is this one of the worst third acts in a movie we've ever seen.
Speaker 2:Remind me what happens in this third act. Remind you, I watched this, I finished it this morning and I think I might have been a little tired still. But like I mean, they just kind of fight and then they kill the kid, then they kill the kid, they kill the kid.
Speaker 1:That's it right, there's a. There's basically a very silly fight yeah, where.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember.
Speaker 1:I remember the silly fight where the professional soldiers are beat by the ragtag bunch of comical robots and then the bad guy comes out in his super robot suit and basically kills everyone, which isn't even very super.
Speaker 2:No, let's just let's be that. I remember very clearly I was like well, this is hardly a souped up version, Because there's a line where the cop lady's like he made a big one and I was like, not really, he's half the size of most of your team. I don't, I'm so confused right now, yes.
Speaker 1:And I'm so confused right now, yes. And then Millie Bobby Brown pushes like a couple of buttons to kill her brother that she has been searching. I don't know. Does she push all three? Does she push all three?
Speaker 2:She pushes all three, one at a time, very clearly labeled as life support, something else, something else. And that's how you kill the kid. Just three buttons out in the open One, two, three. Well, I'm sorry If you lean against this machine. Kid's dead. Oh, I pushed it with my arm. Can we save him? No, all right, I guess the whole machine. Everything's over. We ruined everything. It's one of the dumbest things I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 1:It's so terrible and it so doesn't. It's your classic save the world or save Spock. But it's not save the world or save Spock, it's like it's sure not. It's like save your brother. But there's some explanation as to why she can't save her brother and we don't know what it is and they don't explain it to us.
Speaker 2:Because it's symbiotic. They can't live without him. That's what they told me. He could, he could leave?
Speaker 1:I guess no but he okay, we're gonna talk, but this just felt like one of the worst third acts ever, where it's just lackluster fight, it's bad and then you know the the, the emotional decision that has to be made.
Speaker 2:That's like made with no emotion whatsoever well, because the problem is is I mean, I don't know about them, but I don't buy into the ultimatum. You never buy into it because it doesn't make any sense. So I'm not even sad like, I'm just like what are you talking about? Yeah, you're. You're apparently the smartest kid that's ever lived. There's definitely a way to get you out where you're not dead, like without a doubt, a doubt. And then they do On accident.
Speaker 1:They do so dumb.
Speaker 2:Nah, his head's, he's up.
Speaker 1:He's around.
Speaker 2:He's alive. This is a dumb. You're right, this is a dumb movie. I wasn't mad until we just talked about it right now, oh we'll get mad at it.
Speaker 1:I wrote this down after thinking about this movie. Oh, what'd you write down? This is it. The key to drama is putting your characters in an untenable situation, which only they're able to sort out using tools that have been provided to them over the course of their journey.
Speaker 2:Yeah just like this movie when she learns to turn off all of her emotions and kill her brother for no reason, when Chris Pratt tells his little machine that he wants to have sex with him. I have no idea. I'm hoping that you can explain that part of the movie to me because I was like what's going on? Is he trying to have sex with this robot? I know how I would have rewritten that scene In any way, shape or form. It's a great scene. No, it's not.
Speaker 1:It's a great scene. No, it's not. No, it's a terrible scene, but the pieces of a great scene are sitting there.
Speaker 2:Sure, sure, right, but that's not what we got. Yeah, but we got a weird scene where I'm confused on the lines that we're drawing here. I don't know, I don't even remember where I was going with that point. No, but I don't even remember where I was going with that point.
Speaker 1:But there we are. I write two characters, Space Duck and Robot, who have very similar relationship to the Chris Pratt character and his robot buddy Very similar.
Speaker 2:I thought you let them have sex. No, there's no sex in my I gotcha, tony, you got me. Nailed it. Oh boy, yeah, no continue.
Speaker 1:Everything is about this push and pull of. You know, it's two characters who are always, in a sense, trying to get over on each other.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I just I wanted their relationship to be that where it's this, where they are constantly picking at each other and trying to be the one who's you know either the moral high ground, or, you know, the bigger smart ass, or the whatever You're just like. Oh man, it never got there for me.
Speaker 2:No, it never got there and you know half of it, you know, is Chris Pratt's fault, but that's fine.
Speaker 1:Half of it is Chris Pratt's fault, or it's all Chris Pratt's fault.
Speaker 2:Well no, he didn't write the dialogue, so that fault. Or it's all chris pratt's fault? Well no, he didn't write the dialogue, so that part's not his fault, you know. So he can't just act that. That I don't know. I listen. Here's my thing about this movie.
Speaker 2:Um, I thought that both leads were pretty dismal yeah uh, you know chris pratt's doing his chris pratt thing but just, it feels like he's just kind of coasting, you know what I mean, like he's not really giving it much effort. I've seen star lord right, which is a very similar type of character to me, and he definitely puts more into that. This is very like. I'm here, I don't really care, I'll say something witty with a stupid wig on and then that's it, and then I'm going home for the day.
Speaker 1:I don't know well, that character is is not really there, right? Yeah, he's not there for the adventure. He has no investment in it doesn't even have a financial investment in it. Right, han solo, back in the day, had a financial investment, you know, and, and the circumstance you know, you. You put the characters in the circumstance where it's like I'm han Han Solo, I'd rather be doing something else, but now I'm stuck on the bad guy's ship or whatever, and I'm going to do what's necessary to make the thing happen.
Speaker 2:And I think they're trying to do that with giving him the soldier background and then her being like a good person, because there's the scene where he decides to go with her and he's like there are some good people left in this world. But I haven't seen a world where you feel like there are no good people and that's why you gave up Like I didn't understand. It's not a clear motivation for me For his character.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Start the movie. Start in the movie 1990, before the war Start the movie. Start in the movie 1990, before the war, we meet this kid, chris, who's Millie Bobby Brown's brother. Her name is Michelle. Oh, we get to ask the great question.
Speaker 2:What's Chris Pratt's character's name? Tony Herm's friend, Herm's friend.
Speaker 1:I don't know that they ever say his. I didn't write it down through the whole movie.
Speaker 2:I had to look it up this morning because I had no idea what did it say when you looked it up out of curiosity his name is john no, I don't think that's right. I think they're. I think they didn't know who it was so they.
Speaker 1:they just wrote John Doe Because that's it's not John.
Speaker 2:I think I'd remember that.
Speaker 1:And Billy Bobby Brown's character's name is Michelle, which they say a number of times.
Speaker 2:They do say it a number of times and yet somehow at the end, when the brother calls her Michelle, I was like who's Michelle?
Speaker 1:I don't remember that at all. It doesn't well, it doesn't fit with her character. She does not seem like a Michelle.
Speaker 2:Neither of the Michelle and John, terrible names for these characters. I don't know, they're too bland.
Speaker 1:They're too like yeah, I don't, you got to give characters names, right? And then you have to establish the names and then follow through with the establishment of the names.
Speaker 2:Amen to that. Do you think that I would be curious to look at a book of names from the year that each of them were born in this movie? I feel like maybe they just did a. What was the number one name when that year was born? That's the name. I don't know, because it means there's no.
Speaker 1:She never looks like a Michelle. Michelle is not what she. Okay, we're going to talk about her makeup. Talk about her makeup, tony, do you?
Speaker 2:think she did it herself.
Speaker 2:Well, she's she's made up the entire movie. Yeah, even when like she's I don't I don't remember exactly but like when she's at home with the brother, yeah, she's like all dolled up and I see you have to make it look more natural. And not that I know what I'm doing, like I don't wear a ton of I wear stage makeup. So I like I don't know anything about home makeup, but you know why is she sitting at home watching tv with her brother? Why she's, like, dressed to the nines full face.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I don't know, it's weird and I don't notice makeup ever and I was just like what is?
Speaker 2:going on on.
Speaker 1:She's a foster child of trouble, but she's like perfect.
Speaker 2:They kind of try to give her hair at times. I like the blonde what they did. That was very 90s. I felt that was nice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but her having a full face all the time, that's meticulous, this kind of a nude lip, and you're just like what is happening. Okay, so this kid is like the smartest kid in the world. They give him this test and he's smarter than Einstein. Okay, he goes outside, bumps into an ROTC kid and he's like watch out. Why are you wearing a t-shirt that has a robot on it? Robots are the enemy.
Speaker 2:You should die yeah, so my and this, this is my biggest problem with this movie. Yeah, not just like this scene, but the anti-robot sentiment, yes, that they feel at this moment, yes, and then that they feel it with jason, with Jason Alexander in the house.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:That would not go away at the end of this movie. No, and they're acting as if it is going away at the end of the movie.
Speaker 2:Yes, and that's a problem Because they've set up a world where it's like discrimination against robots. Robot slavery Like this doesn't go away in one one day. This is not. We are humans. We are awful, awful creatures. This is you have you've created a no-win situation in the first part of your movie and then you try to just, you know, fix it at the end. Nope, doesn't work, doesn't work. So that's my bit, like my biggest problem. I was just annoyed at the end of this movie. I was like are you that's it? That's you, that's your big plan? That's what's gonna fix the world. Go fuck yourself.
Speaker 1:Well what, what we find? Well, okay, we'll get to that, sorry, sorry so she's like, he's like I don't want to go to college and she's like you should go to college and then I'll visit you in college. Did you think that they were lovers, or did you think they were family?
Speaker 2:You know, I don't even think. I thought about it much, okay, but that's interesting.
Speaker 1:I could see where it would go either way to be honest with you, I thought they were boyfriend and girlfriend.
Speaker 2:Sure, that's what.
Speaker 1:I thought, I did not think that they were brothers.
Speaker 2:I could see that going that way, you know you got to throw something in.
Speaker 1:Hey, sis, you know. Hey, hey sis. Hey bro, How'd it?
Speaker 2:go, you got to tell us those things instantaneously.
Speaker 1:Hey bro, How's your big old brain, Bro. You got such a big old brain, Sis. You're going to change the world with your speeches you give on the TV.
Speaker 2:Which are terrible. I don't totally understand it. Never once does she feel like she's the person to change the world. Just throwing that out there.
Speaker 1:Now we meet Ethan Skate, terrible name.
Speaker 2:It's such a weird Mr Skate. What, what are we doing? That's so weird and I don't know why I hate it so much. But every time they called him Mr Skate, I was like he needs to be wearing roller skates. If you give your villain Mr Skate, he has to pay it off, because otherwise it's just going to bother me every time you say it.
Speaker 1:He has to pay it off, so he's never trusted robots. And then what we find out is that the robots Disney made the robots. They became the global workforce and then they got angry and they are led by Mr Peanut in a war against humanity where people can put on VR helmets and be VR robots and the VR robots are better than robots.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I guess I mean we don't really talk about why, but would it be like human intuition that makes them better? You know, because we always talk about how, like the AI, pilots are never going to be as good as like human pilots because they don't have the instincts, even though they'll be safer, they don't have like the. You know, I don't know something of those lines. They don't really talk about it. I was just trying to figure it out myself that's what they did in ender's game, right?
Speaker 1:isn't that the whole idea with him?
Speaker 2:and it's the whole idea, yeah and it works spoiler alert if you've never read the book from a hundred years ago. Uh, he's not really playing a game and it's. It's awesome. Yeah, it's. That book is so good. I know we hate orson scott card and that's fine, he's a d-bag. That book is so good and very much about inclusion. So fuck him in his real life.
Speaker 1:That book is amazing um, and that's yeah, that's the whole thing. Is we? We set up a thing that this one sort of better mind, working with a bunch of other incredible minds, is able to, to work on it, work out a system to win? Yeah, this thing. The idea is that if we can vr into a robot, then we can fight the robots doesn't make any.
Speaker 2:It doesn't make any sense, especially when you watch the battles and you're like okay, but they're not outsmarting the robots in any way, shape or form, they're marching right up in front of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're just less.
Speaker 2:They're just not human anymore, so like if they die, it doesn't matter. Is that why we're? Because I don't know, I don't get it, I don't understand.
Speaker 1:And Mr.
Speaker 2:Peanut can pick up a gun and shoot a human in the head.
Speaker 1:With no remorse. Well, the whole idea is do you know what Asimov's three laws are?
Speaker 2:iRobot with Will Smith. Yeah, that's all I remember. No, I don't know the actual rules. I don't remember what they are. I can't do harm.
Speaker 1:You can't do harm or through inaction cause harm. Basically, you set up the idea that you always, if you're going to make an AI, you're going to have programming in there so that it doesn't shoot human beings in the head or let human beings get shot in the head. That's the whole thing and it makes sense.
Speaker 2:When did he write those books? Was it before 1990? When did he write those books? Was it before 1990?
Speaker 1:because maybe he just hadn't written them yet in this, in this world he kind of wrote them in, I believe the 40s and 50s, I'm sure by the 50s.
Speaker 2:Okay, so he was ahead of the game he did it when disney was making the robots. I see he predates disney making the robots.
Speaker 1:Yes, audio animatronics, not rocket and roll, and intel after asimov's three laws. And those three laws just make it so you can properly explore AI, because human beings are not going to make a thing that, when they click on the switch, pulls out a gun and shoots them in the head. We're not going to do that.
Speaker 2:I don't know, because they make a machine with three buttons that just kill people if you push those three buttons. Maybe it was the order too. Maybe she has to do it left or right, I don't know Got to do it in the right order, or he lives. Or he's totally fine.
Speaker 1:And so this Ethan guy, he's made up the thing, and so then what happens? But in addition to all that, everybody in the world gets their own robot somehow.
Speaker 1:yeah and they get to put on a helmet and then half of their brain goes into making the robot go and do their job for them, and then the other half of their brain gets to go and live on a beach or construct a world in which their mom was nice to them, or have sex with beautiful girls 24-7. Oh, you think that's what they're doing in there. That's all they're doing, truthfully. Those other two things I said is never happening. They're having sex with a beautiful girl. Every guy is only doing that.
Speaker 2:Actually, you're right, because Jason Alexander is doing that right.
Speaker 1:He's like.
Speaker 2:I'm on the beach with Cindy Crawford or something like that.
Speaker 1:He says something stupid like that. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2:So you're absolutely right, I hate this.
Speaker 1:I hate this so much.
Speaker 2:Why do you hate it? And then I want to talk about why I hate it.
Speaker 1:I hate it because we have a TV show called Severance that's exploring the idea of you're basically being in two places with the same person and exploring it in a way. That is some of the most interesting ways to think about this thing. And then we have a show, black Mirror, that also constantly explores all of these kind of things, and this thing pauses the thing and then explores it absolutely zero, and there's no reason for it why it. Never once does somebody need to split their brain into two things one to go to work and one to live in a vr existence. Never once does that come into play right because?
Speaker 2:so, because here's my thing. Right, like, let's do the jason alexander example. He's a shitty stepfather, yep, and he is spending his time with cindy crawford on the beach or something. He's somewhere with cindy crawford terrible choice, by the way, but why does he even need the localized robot personality?
Speaker 1:because he's not watching the kid no, he yells at the kid with the localized robot no, I, I know what he does, but that's completely unnecessary.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like that doesn't. He could just be in a VR world and she'd be like Tim, whatever his name was. What are you doing? I'm doing this, hello, and then he doesn't respond because he's not doing anything as the robot. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2:He's not making money, he's not going to work because he's getting the state funded checks for having a kid and he's like, oh, do you play an instrument? We get extra money for that, extra money for this, which is a. That's a fine thing to do and, you know, it's an interesting thing to not explore, but I don't see a point for him having the robot at all. Nope, just so that she could be menaced by a robot in the show. Right, because we have to not like robots. But it's not the robot, he's actually a human, it's dumb.
Speaker 1:This is see the robots are, see that's. The other thing is, they're setting up that the robots are good and humans are bad. But then you're like then you're what you're. What I was expecting the plot of this movie would be was that the robots weren't bad and that Mr Skeet made us think that the robots were bad so that he could provide the solution. Well, that's what you have to do. That has to be the plot.
Speaker 2:That's the only way it makes real sense to be honest with you. But I mean, listen, they're slaves and they're like uprising. It's fine, but it's never going to get resolved.
Speaker 1:But they're never going to uprise in a way that's killing people Right, exactly A hundred percent.
Speaker 2:Okay, let's talk about my confusion on the VR thing, and you can explain it to me, because you've watched all these other things you said with severance, and then the black mirror and stuff, and maybe your brain works better than me. How does this thing work? I don't understand it because, um, he can't do both of those things simultaneously and be cognizant of both oh, it says that in the thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in the movie it says that, that he can't do those things he can't he can't just do both things no, I understand that.
Speaker 2:It says that I'm asking because so you know, remember that test where you rub your belly and you pat your head. There's so many people that can't do that. And that's just two opposing things that are very simple. If I'm doing two very, very like brain heavy operations simultaneous, I can't do that well how does that work?
Speaker 1:it doesn't work. That's why it's stupid.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, that's why I don't like it.
Speaker 1:Because what they do in severance is you lead two existences right. So for eight hours a day. You make memories and do functions in this one sphere and do functions in this one sphere and then it switches. So basically, you have a bonus personality existence that goes to the dentist right Sure yeah, so I. Dan Goodsell sitting here. I'm like I had a great day yesterday, no dentist, and then if I were to switch, I'd be like I'm Dan Goodsell, I get to go to the dentist.
Speaker 2:I'm always in the dentist, and then if I were to switch, I'd be like I'm Dan Goodsell I get to go to the dentist, I'm always in the dentist I have to fix the tire.
Speaker 1:And that's what's so annoying about this thing is they set up this central conceit that no one wants to be doing their job or living that part of their existence. And with the Severance TV show, that is not true. Only a very particular sort of people who are going through stuff and have reasons for wanting to do this. Most of the rest of us. I worked lots and lots. I enjoyed going to work. Would I have rather done something else?
Speaker 2:Sure, but not necessarily right, not all the time. Right like it's. I enjoy work. I like going to work.
Speaker 1:I don't know you you learn things there, you do things there, you feel you have successes there, you know you have co-workers.
Speaker 2:You know, you meet people, you have socialization, which is obviously. They don't do that in this movie at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because we go into school at one point and all the kids put on their VR headsets and she's like I'm not going to do it. And you're like, well, if that's the only way you can learn is by putting on a VR headset, you kind of there's no other option. Yeah, I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 2:And here's the good news is all those people super addicted to their screens, right as as we are in general, but at the end we're just gonna take them all away and no one's gonna be upset about it. So that's the good news. Everyone's like you're right, I don't need this screen that I'm completely addicted to 24 hours a day. Here you go trash heap, dumb movie, dumb movie.
Speaker 1:No resolution to this movie and, more importantly, who the fuck pays for all of this well so.
Speaker 2:So that was a question that I had as well, because there's, uh, you know, a very kind, I'm assuming, uh homeless gentleman at one point in the movie this one point where there's a homeless gentleman laying in the street, they're laying right laying on the sidewalk, plugged in to a vr thing and he has a robot step he's a robot there too.
Speaker 2:He's yep, he sure does yep, and I don't. Okay, just tell, tell me more about this situation movie, because I'm curious. I'm curious and what's going on is so is it like a drug? Are we like comparing this to like drugs? We're like you? No, no, I I'm. I'm not asking you, I'm asking the movie, because they do not do a good job of exploring this at all, but they're just like, hey, this is a fun idea that could happen in this world. See you later.
Speaker 1:Just make it VR headsets. Don't give everybody a free robot. Then you're like oh okay.
Speaker 2:These weird. We need to come up with a different design for these, and I assume they look like whatever he drew, hold on.
Speaker 1:Wouldn't you want to be having that on your head 16 hours a day?
Speaker 2:No, it looks so front heavy, dan. I feel like I'd be looking down all the time trying to hold my damn head up, because it's six feet long on the front end where the glass is. I don't think that that's comfortable at all.
Speaker 1:We do a two-hour show here where I have to put these headphones on. You know what I'm happy to do after two hours. Take these, take them off take these very. I mean, they're not the lightest headphones in the world, don't get me wrong. Sure, but these are very light by comparison to headphones of the past. Yeah, I don't like having these on my head, I would not want to put a I put a vr thing half an hour a day. Maybe that would be my. I couldn't put that on eight hours, I would die.
Speaker 2:I would literally die.
Speaker 2:I've put on VR headsets and I feel this way already and they're only like six inches I don't know how big six inches is, but they're here and I feel like they're too heavy on my head and I'm like boy, I wish something was holding this up for me and holding this up for me, and if it's, if it's another five feet on the top, I like I can't do it, I refuse. And they pull like on the back of your and they like you know they they're very uncomfortable and maybe they fixed it somehow, but I don't think so. People, they don't look good people do not like being.
Speaker 1:You know what people are gonna do. They're gonna put the headset on.
Speaker 2:They're gonna have sex with the virtual thing, not, not that I understand how that works well, I mean you don't, I mean listen, we could get, we could get pretty deep into this topic it's just like a three, you know, like what you remember um uh stallone demolition man yeah, where they both put.
Speaker 2:It's the same. They put both put on vr glasses and that's them like doing it, but they're not doing anything in the physical world and he's like takes it off and he's like what the fuck? Oh, sex, what is going on? Great, first of all, that movie's great.
Speaker 1:This movie sucks demolition man, you know, okay, we're not going to get into that. Okay, so mine in two places 1994.
Speaker 2:Now, okay, so 94 after the war, that's the chyron that we get here.
Speaker 1:So in four years we've had a war. We've somehow also built all these robots to fight the war after we were losing the war, which what losing the war means, who knows? And now she's, her family's dead. They've gotten a car accident they hit a deer, I think and she is in foster care. Jason Alexander, in one of the most questionable casting choices of all time.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm so glad you feel that way. I thought I was just being. You know how sometimes I get, uh, biased against fat people. Oh yeah, because I'm jealous of them, and I was like, am I? Is this one of those moments where I'm like, wow, I could do this part better, because I love jason alexander. He is not menacing, nope, or he does. He does not fit this character whatsoever. There's never a moment where I'm like, oh yeah, this guy's a scumbag. Oh boy, I don't. I'm just like what's Jason Alexander doing? This is weird. This is a weird thing.
Speaker 1:If you're going to make Jason Alexander into a monster stepdad, you're going to have to spend an entire movie doing it.
Speaker 2:And you're going to have to.
Speaker 1:He's going to have to be in a script that is completely non-cut. It's like you watch Adam Sandler in Uncut Gems. I only made it about halfway through. This is an intense movie, he's great, this is an Academy Award winning, he can perform. He shows us that he can perform. He is this fucking guy. I don't want to spend any time with this guy. Sorry.
Speaker 2:No, thank you, sorry, sorry thank you, sorry, sorry, adam, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, god bless him, it's good for him. Yeah, 100%. That shows you're an actor. And we know he has the comedic chops, we know he has the acting chops. He just makes a lot of very lazy decisions most of the time.
Speaker 2:I don't know, if they're lazy, they're monetarily driven, I would say, or you know, the guy just likes to have fun. Listen, if someone's going to give you, you know, $100 million, probably $50 million, right, I don't know $50 million, and it's just like do whatever you want with your friends, I don't care, You're not going to try that hard. You're going to be like what can we do? That will be fun for us, that's not what I'm ever going to do.
Speaker 1:I'm always going to want to try to create the thing that I want to create in the best way that I can. I do not want to.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's true. I mean, yeah, I'm not going to want to watch myself in a shit performance while I'm editing this thing. They don't watch themselves A lot of these big actors. They never rewatch their own work. You know what I do, you don't?
Speaker 1:You know what I do, Tony when I'm feeling bad, I pick up my own books and I read them to feel better about myself.
Speaker 2:But does that work?
Speaker 1:Because I do the same thing but for the opposite reason, Works every time when.
Speaker 2:I'm feeling down about myself. I watch some of the stuff I've done in the past.
Speaker 1:I'm like.
Speaker 2:God, you're such a piece shit. You fucking suck. That's how that works out for me. No, I'm incredible for you. I'm incredible. I know that incredible. What's not to like?
Speaker 1:I don't know because I've been creating exactly what I want for sure and I'm completely pleased with it and I, you know, I look at it and, like you know, I make adjustments, but it's like nope, this is this is, this is what I'm trying to do. This is exact, you know. I mean, if I could paint anything in the world, any way, I could. Yeah, there's things I would do, right, sure, but with the skills that I have, I create what it is that I can create. That's going to make me happy.
Speaker 2:And that's great. The fact that, a you know what that is and, b that you are capable of doing it, that's pretty great.
Speaker 1:And I was talking to our Australian friend Jules about this, about we've, we, we have. We have discussions about AI all the time and he thinks there's going to be these tools that come in there and and are able to let you pre-visualize things and do stuff and blah, blah, blah, blah blah and I'm like I know they're not going to. That's not going to happen, because I know when you're working with a person you know Todd and I worked on comics together and I would send him what I would do I do my Mr Toast comics. What I would do is I would draw little thumbnails and I would plot out the whole 32 pages. Then what I would do is I would then make a script based on my little things and I wouldn't send him anything I drew.
Speaker 1:Nothing, absolutely nothing, because I knew that what he was going to do was add his hundreds of layers of illustration skills and comedic skills and then send me back something, and occasionally we would have a little thing that we would need to tweak, but very rarely because he's a pro.
Speaker 1:I was a pro what I was doing at that exact moment, and it's like when we've worked together on stuff, it's like when we did the all-star death star show, we'd send you a thing and you would send us back a thing which was 10 times better because you had added your layers on there. And then we just we do the massages and we'd do the little tweaks and boom, you would have something that you were just perfectly proud of, and AI is never going to be able to do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true, I agree with that, because you're not going to have the pile of a track record that the person does. There's this one guy that does role-playing game illustrations and booklets and things and I just love his work so much and I'm like I'm gonna try to figure out a way to maybe work with him at some point and I'm like I know, when I work with him, everything he's going to send. You know, if I was to send him what I want and then he sends it back, it would just be amazing. You would just be like this perfect total. Yeah, for sure and I think that's what you know and I've talked about Severance before already on this show is those guys know what they want.
Speaker 1:And they work with a great cinematographer and they work with great production design people and they work with great actors and everybody has. You know, there's stuff that's going on in their brain and you're like okay, this is why I love the show. It's because it's so personal. Then this movie is just. It felt like it was. You know, ai rewrote a real thing but made it acceptable to this algorithm and that algorithm. You know it's like is this a comedy?
Speaker 2:I think they're supposed to be like an, you know, action comedy not, I guess, not quite action comedy, but yeah, I think there's comedic elements too and at the end, a girl has to murder her brother.
Speaker 1:You gotta set us up for that. This is, you know. No, no, no, because otherwise it's not as emotional.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. You got to set us up for that. This is no. No, because otherwise it's not as emotional. You know what I mean? We want to just spring it on you at the last second and then not make it make a lot of sense, so you just have to be like why is this happening? What's going on? Oh, he's dead.
Speaker 1:Okay, great, I'm sorry but you have to, but you have to you. That is a big tonal shift of spending this time to find your brother, only to have him say please kill me. And then you kill him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean if, if, if we had an inkling that that was, if we knew that that was probably going to happen, and she learns it. Great, that works for me. She learns it great, that works for me. But if we're all learning it in the last four minutes of the movie and you're just like, well, because you know, because that's what has happened, you're like, but what? Because because you gotta, you gotta, you gotta do it beat the bad guy. It's the only way you gotta do it. Why? Why is that? It doesn't make you say he just escaped his brain, just escaped you. It doesn't even make any sense. If, how can his brain? It does? It doesn't make any sense. And that's my biggest problem good job, tony.
Speaker 1:Um, she goes to see the counselor. We have a flashback to her and her brother at the beach and the brother has a panic attack I'm like, okay, don't worry, dan, that'll come up later in the movie.
Speaker 1:Oh, does it okay, sure doesn't flashback to hitting the deer. Uh, she wakes up screaming in the alley. Oh, she hears some screaming in the alley. She goes outside and then there's this roaring monster robot that clanks into the house and he can't talk. So she fixes him, so he can kind of talk, but he just talks sort of in catchphrases of the character can't give him a pen to write something on a piece of paper nah, robots can't write.
Speaker 2:That character doesn't know how to write. I don't know cuz dan cuz.
Speaker 1:That's the answer, because we don't want to tell you what's going on. Okay, we're gonna keep it hidden, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2:So I mean they definitely wanted to make it like a cute thing, right, like I think it's supposed to be endearing that he's like I only speak in catchphrases, I'm adorable, I think. I just don't think it works. And it would maybe work if it was real catchphrases that we knew and we could, like, put our own. You know what I mean. If, like, there's some sort of nostalgia to it for the 90s, my another big problem I have with this movie is, for a movie that's set in 1990, the greatest 10 years of my life, there is nothing that makes me go, oh God, I miss the 90s.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, because it's not the 90s.
Speaker 2:But that's like. Sure, it's an alternate version of the 90s, but some things would remain the same, right yeah?
Speaker 1:But some of them wouldn't.
Speaker 2:Big Mouth Bass. Sure, big Mouth Bass was pretty funny, but do you have any other ones?
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, they had a bunch of things in there. They had Spam in the thing, they had Twister Game, yeah, but I mean Spam's just cool all the time.
Speaker 2:Spam is delicious and it lasts forever, so they're just doing a good job there. That has nothing To me. That has nothing to do with the 90s, I don't know. I just I didn't feel any nostalgic pull for a movie that's set in 1990s, which is a time frame that I frequently wish that we lived in now.
Speaker 1:No, because this movie is not about. Although we talk about nostalgia a little bit, it's not about nostalgia at all.
Speaker 2:Right, and it should be. There should be some of that, because that's how you will draw me into this world. Sure, because right now this world is gobbledygook. It's nonsense. You have robots that were made a hundred years ago. No, you don't. They rose up because you were keeping them as slaves. Great Good for them. I agree with them. I'm not. I have no attachment to this world or the characters or anything.
Speaker 1:Oh, because we never spend any time in this world.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a problem, it's a big problem, I don't know. Yeah, I'm just disappointed. When I saw the trailer, I was like, oh, this will be like a fun 90s joyride, and it's not. No, the reason why, for me, ready Player One isn't just an extreme pile of garbage is the nostalgia, like the movie isn't that good. No, it's not the story, the book isn't even. I did enjoy the book a lot, but it's not like oh, wow, it's written so well, oh, the plot's so great. It's not. It's just like oh, look at all this fun shit that he's put his own spin on. And I'm right back into all those things. Oh, I love Donkey Kong. Oh, I love like, that's what you need. That's what this movie needs to do. It wants to be Ready Player One but it is not it's so desperately, but it's just, it does nothing.
Speaker 1:The ended up being nostalgic to make a ready player one movie, which was a movie that I think made some money but nobody's like. Oh man, remember you know we talk about die hard and we're like die hard great movie, great movie, great movie and then nobody's like. You know, when I was a kid ready player one was the movie that changed the needle that I don't.
Speaker 2:I don't believe it I and I, you know I doubt it, but again, like the book, I love the book. I've read the book several times. Well, the second book like I, I enjoyed the book more than I enjoyed the movie. Sure, which is fine, yeah, um, but again, it is. It's something that I think about from time to time. The book, yeah, you know, because it's good, it's fun. What I don't know, well, that's, this is not something I will ever think about again in the rest of my life.
Speaker 1:But that's the thing about the book and the movie is it's for you, it's a nostalgia, it's it's a nostalgia bump for people like you. It's not for kids that are like oh look, there's ultraman, there's the iron giant they're like yes, no, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 2:You're absolutely right. Yeah, well, this movie's for no one, so, so I guess it has that going for it.
Speaker 1:Literally for no one. Okay, okay, so she's got the thing, then they're gonna go. She fights with her stepdad and then she leaves. She tases him, they steal his car. She doesn't know, know how to drive, but that's not a problem. She drives until she gets a flat. I guess.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was weird, I don't know. Yeah, the spare strange decision.
Speaker 1:the spare is also flat, but then she looks in there and she realizes that there's these boxes from someone that he ordered, stuff that was stolen from the exclusion zone, and she needs to go to the exclusion zone because she realizes that the person they're looking for is the doctor that treated them after With glasses the doctor with glasses the doctor with glasses that treated them after the car crash.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes.
Speaker 1:Okay, so they go to New Mexico somehow I don't even remember, and here I don't know and the PO box is on this deserted street and they're there exactly at the moment that Chris Pratt's character, john, shows up.
Speaker 2:Are you sure, did we double check this, dan I?
Speaker 1:looked it up. It's pretty funny because I looked it up on Google first and you know how when you do the movies, you do the cast search. It has all the cast there. Yeah, yeah, no name under his character.
Speaker 2:You're kidding me? No, so nobody knows enough to care the guy doing that didn't even put it in.
Speaker 1:He's like I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to take two seconds to look it up. I don't care.
Speaker 1:So they're there at the literal exact moment that he shows up to check his PO box and then have a failed interaction of trying to sell a pistol to a random dude who's in his robot suit. For how much money, Tony?
Speaker 2:Was this the one that was $25,000? $50,000. It was $20,000 or $25,000. Something, yeah, something.
Speaker 1:Some unimaginably large sum of money right Like this is the 90s. If you're selling something for 20k, you're set you, you are?
Speaker 2:you're a rock and roller. It doesn't seem like it because he's not set. He's poor in a weird way.
Speaker 1:Yeah he's. He's got a gigantic warehouse of collectibles, so somehow he has your dream warehouse, let's this is what I was thinking.
Speaker 2:I was like man damn, we go crazy with all this paraphernalia.
Speaker 1:No, I'd be making I'd have six people working for a if you had that much merchandise, sure you would have multiple people listing for you. I remember back in the day when ebay was cooking um a lot of people. Is it not cooking anymore? It's cooking differently. Um interesting because for some people like if you're dealing in something that you get in large quantities, like comic books or something like that, but a lot of other collectibles. You, just you can't buy enough.
Speaker 2:Oh sure, Consistently in large amounts dealt in.
Speaker 1:he deals in all sorts of stuff, but he had a friend that dealt in automotive um ads and advertising and manuals and books and basically he'd spent all this time growing up, you know, buying all this stuff and at the height of ebay.
Speaker 1:He had like eight or ten people working for him who were just listing all this stuff that he'd accumulated over 20 or 50 years or whatever. And at a certain point, you know, ebay slowed down on that material and he had to fire everybody and they were all gone. But there was a point where you have a gigantic inventory and the people the comic book people, I'm sure you know, and the action figure people that have big stores, employ two or three or four or five people to constantly sell stuff because they have stuff walking the video, you know, the video games, the comics and the action figures.
Speaker 1:That shit walks in the door constantly in those places, I mean yeah, I mean, that makes sense. And I thought about it because you know, I remember when I got rid of all my video games. You get rid of them all at once and you're just like, okay, I'm done with this, I'm moving on, because you grow up yeah, you can't be like a sad person Playing, you know, disney Princess Adventure In their basement, you know, with no life.
Speaker 2:Don't slander the gate, don't pretend it's Disney Dreamlight Valley. That's a totally different vibe. I mean, I do have a lot of princesses In my valley, sure.
Speaker 1:Are they your concubines?
Speaker 2:No, there's no. This isn't like a Stardew Valley where you get to marry anybody. But if I did, it would be Jasmine Really.
Speaker 1:I think everybody would agree Jasmine's your girl.
Speaker 2:Is she not someone else's? Come on, she's the best Maleficent, not the new one, preferably Angelina Jolie, as Maleficent Sure. Which one is Maleficent from Sleeping Beauty, sleeping Beauty. So that's not what Gal Gadot is playing. Oh no, she's playing.
Speaker 1:She's the evil queen. She's the wicked witch.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the mirror, mirror on the wall, that's her.
Speaker 1:She looks hot.
Speaker 2:I was getting confused.
Speaker 1:She looks hot half the time and then is a crone the other half of the time. I guess that movie is doing really well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it doesn't. I don't read any of the articles that pop up. I keep getting like trouble in paradise. This movie is bad.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I don't know what's going on, but we're probably going to watch it. They canceled the premiere.
Speaker 2:Which is, you don't want that In a long list of things you want to happen. That's not going to be on. That's bad.
Speaker 1:I guess they had like a, the dwarves were like this woke, perfect group of people, but they weren't dwarves, and so now they made them into horrible CGI monster dwarves. Oh no, really, I don't know. I just saw a thing about it this morning and I was like, oh dear.
Speaker 2:Clearly I should be reading more articles that pop up, because now I am very intrigued.
Speaker 1:Okay. So this guy tries to rip him off. They shoot him with an electrical beam and then, whatever, this gives Millie Bobby Brown and her robot brother a chance to sneak into their truck. They drive to his secret location that has an elevator down to a secret cave, some sort of a bunker, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1:Oh wait. So they're trying to get into the exclusion zone, which is the place where they locked up the robots after they defeated them. Tony, talk to me about locking up the robots after you defeat them.
Speaker 2:Do none of the robots fly Is my first question, because the wall isn't that big and I've seen World War Z so they could just stack on top of each other, even if they don't fly. Robots can just stack their metal, they can just stack and just walk out of the thing. So I just have general problems with that situation, but also like why and it's like the entirety of a giant desert. So this wall, is thousands and hundreds of thousands of miles long and why?
Speaker 1:are you locking them up in a gigantic idea Like what? I'm sorry, but I know what humans would do. They would turn them all off, they would take out their AI brains and they would stomp on every one of their AI brains.
Speaker 2:You're darn right. I would Okay, because they're machines, they don't really die. Right Like you could just build another one. I don't know how it works. It's weird. I don't understand. I don't understand. It doesn't make any sense Because, like Army of the Dead makes a little sense, they quarantine a city that the zombies are already in so that the zombies just can't get out. Why would you do that?
Speaker 1:So that the zombies just can't get out. Why would you do that? Why would you just kill them all?
Speaker 2:Because they couldn't just kill them all the zombies. Okay, have you not seen the movie?
Speaker 1:I tried to watch that movie. It was so terrible.
Speaker 2:I love that movie. I think it's silly fun, but this is like we built walls and then we ushered the robots in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we locked them up. Why would we do that?
Speaker 2:we put them in robot jail like maybe if we were, you know, back to slaving them up and we were just putting them to work in some way, sure, like I guess, I guess that makes sense. But we're not doing that. They just, they just are congregating in shopping malls.
Speaker 1:I don't I don't know how these robots have. I don't understand. How do these robots have power? How do they have oil? How do they have parts?
Speaker 2:Yeah, sure, great, because Chris Pratt barely has power, but they have tons of it. I don't know, man, I don't understand it.
Speaker 1:It's almost like it doesn't make any sense and they haven't worked out any of the rules of the stupid world they've created. If you don't work out the you know like the rule. That's. The thing is, I watched your stupid zombie heist movie, the army of the dead.
Speaker 2:Well, you just said you don't watch all of it, so be careful. I got very boring. Um, oh my God.
Speaker 1:Whatever At least they contained an acceptable amount of space. I'm like I buy that. I like I didn't sit through that movie and go like it doesn't make any sense. Why would they do that? I was like that's a weird thing to do. Whatever, it didn't horribly bother me, it wouldn't be my move. But yes, my problems with that movie are more are just as a movie, as a terrible, zack Snyder movie, but you know you didn't go like nobody thought about. You know what any of this means. I'm like it's acceptable.
Speaker 2:We allow a lot as viewers right, we sure do, and when you go too far that's ridiculous. But sorry, continue.
Speaker 1:Everything in this movie is too far. You're just like come on, this doesn't make any sense. Yeah, so they're down there. We have one bit where he's talking about somebody's name being veronica and the other other robots says veronica I. I like the idea of that bit, but you have to. You have to go far, man. You have to works. I don't know, man, you really need to have some vicious chemistry to get bits like that going well, unfortunately they don't have chemistry they don't have any chemistry. Is that part of the problem?
Speaker 2:it is definitely part of the problem. There's a video of um chris pratt and millie bobby brown doing 90s nostalgia items or something like that and they're like show them something and then they talk about it exactly. And you know, the whole thing is like oh, she doesn't know anything because she's she wasn't born then. And then chris pratt's like you don't know anything, blah, blah, blah, but like you watch it and he looks visibly annoyed like that.
Speaker 1:He has to do this with her.
Speaker 2:I? I don't know if it's that he has to do it or if he's just like I'm so sick of being with this, I don't know. But they don't have like a fun rapport in the video and this was a promotional tool for the movie and I was like, oh, they are not going to be good together on screen because we're watching them in real life and they can't like I'm not having fun with them at all. I feel like I'm in a room where I'm like we need to get out of here because someone's going to fight. We got to go. This isn't fun. This is uncomfortable. I'm going to my bedroom. So it was doomed. It was doomed from the start.
Speaker 1:So they finally discover them and they're like what are you doing here? And then, right at that moment, the elevator starts coming down again and here comes the butcher who?
Speaker 2:is played by. Why was the elevator back on the surface, can I just ask you? Because elevators don't normally just return to a place, don't they stay where they were the last time, so I could take it back up, you mean?
Speaker 1:it's almost like instead of the Veronica bit you could have run a bit where he's like. Why the fuck is that elevator going up and the robot's?
Speaker 2:like where's?
Speaker 1:it going what? You're supposed to lock that down? Because they did a whole bit with him unplugging his refrigerator, which was supposed to make them. Look at the crate that they just brought back down because there were candy bars in it and it was just like, okay, that's a stretch of a bit.
Speaker 1:But I could have written a great bit for that. He's like why didn't you lock down the elevator? I did lock it down. No, you did not lock it down. And then you know, and there's the as as he's coming down, they're like how did you get in our elevator? And he's like I just overrun your system and you know, giving him powers and showing that he could do things.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm smart.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm a nefarious villain they're in trouble because he's better than them at this yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:So just in general, the bad guys are cooler than the heroes in this movie. How did? And I just mean as actors how did you like giancarlo? I did not like him I, I like him just because he's scared, he's like a, he's like super intense, no matter what he does. You know, and I was just like. I prefer that over ch Chris Pratt's blandness or the void that is Millie Bobby Brown.
Speaker 1:I hated, so he would be third, I think of the bad guy in Avatar, the first Avatar movie, that guy with the Stephen what's his? Name. He seems like a psycho. He seems like a military psycho he seems like a military psycho that would be in charge of something. He seems like a military psycho you would not want to cross. Giancarlo seems like he's good at what he does, but there's nothing. He never made me afraid. I wasn't like oh, this guy, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I get that. My biggest problem is his turn at the end was unbelievable, and that's not his fault, it's just the character that they've they created. Yeah, like and we could talk about that more later but I don't know he never felt like he was going through anything? No, no, for sure not. I don't think he did. Well, I guess he did technically, because he did change sides a little bit. But you know, like Stanley Tucci's fun yeah, Because he's a nut job.
Speaker 1:He seems crazy. He seems like the corporate guy. He's as good an actor as you're ever going to get on the planet.
Speaker 2:Ever, ever, ever yeah.
Speaker 1:He's so good, yeah, so he shoots up the place and then they're trying to escape and then they they try and jump in the mine cars and you're like, oh, mine cars.
Speaker 1:And then he immediately shoots the mine cars and they fall off and I was like this is the first time this movie has surprised me oh yeah, there you go that was surprised did it, then surprise you that almost nothing happens after that well, then they hit him with another thing and then they escape, yeah, yeah, and they go out there, shoots the cart, they escape, but then they have to go. They're gonna have to go 300 miles. Herm has this big body, he gets into, he carries a van, carries them in it, um, and then we do a whole thing about somebody saying everybody lets you down. And we set up. That's chris pratt saying. Chris pratt says everybody lets you down, we set up. That's Chris Pratt saying it.
Speaker 1:Chris Pratt says everybody lets you down. So what that means is Chris Pratt has to let her down or she has to let Chris Pratt down In the movie that is his arc.
Speaker 2:Or let me counter pitch they don't or not, you decide which one you want, but that's my counter.
Speaker 1:You know, in improv you write lines randomly and then when the other person hears the line like why are you always such a dick to me, then I am the biggest dick in the world to Tony. The rest of the scene Right.
Speaker 2:Or you ignore that thing and do your own idea. That's improv, baby. That's how improv really works when it's at its greatest is when you ignore the things that other people set up. And you just do your own thing, because that's what people want to see. Super fun, yeah, it's really great.
Speaker 1:He talks about how the two of them met. Him and his robot buddy, herm, met in the war and then they became friends. Herm saved him for unknowable reasons, and then they came and the guys that were going to try to kill herm just decided they were also going to kill a human being right, john, right, so the story doesn't make a lot of john.
Speaker 2:His name's not john, I don't care how many times you say it, it doesn't make a lot of sense, right, like his backstory. When he's telling me the story, I'm like what, what happened? Are you sure this doesn't track with what I've learned throughout the movie?
Speaker 1:I don't understand what's going on and then he's like and then we ran away together and have been together ever since.
Speaker 2:I'm like what They've been doing it ever since. How does that even?
Speaker 1:happen been doing ever since he falls. The robot falls asleep and then I have sex with his inner body.
Speaker 2:Okay, it's so weird.
Speaker 1:Then we have ethan skate. Mr skate is home with his mom and we find out his mom is the simulation with his mom is breaking down, and then what we find out is that. And then what we find out is that Christopher, the super smart kid, is the computer that they use to run all of the interfaces on the entire, all of them.
Speaker 2:Billions and billions of interfaces are all run through his brain of him sitting in a little casket in Seattle. Yeah, what that's confusing. I understand that, like I think I've heard before, oh, the brain is a supercomputer, which I don't understand what that actually means. Obviously it's not true. But okay, well, obviously you haven't seen this beautiful brain. Okay, come see one of my CAT scans, baby. But how could it run that many I don't get?
Speaker 1:it no, no.
Speaker 2:It would make more sense to me if it was like a Matrix style type of thing, where it's like a bunch of brains that are powering them. You know, all put together. Maybe he was the first. I would believe that, but he can't do all of them. I don't get it.
Speaker 1:I don't understand it's just super stupid well, there you go, it's just the dumbest premise for a movie ever.
Speaker 2:It's just dumb yeah, it doesn't make sense. It follows trend where the things that don't make a lot of sense, but luckily, I mean the good news is it makes the ending easy to write.
Speaker 1:Because then he's going to die. It's a binary thing.
Speaker 2:He's the whole machine, so you got to get rid of him.
Speaker 1:We also set up that because part of his brain is walking around, then the whole system is going to collapse on.
Speaker 2:Friday, saturday, friday I couldn't remember where they landed, because first he said Sunday and then Saturday, then Friday, more likely my favorite two actors in the whole movie, by the way, those two guys who else?
Speaker 1:One of them is a big midnight.
Speaker 2:He's from midnight mass, he's with, he's in that whole family of of those shows. Why can't I remember the guy who makes Mike Flanagan? Yeah, he's in the Flanniverse, he's in all of those shows. He's great, he is a wonderful actor. I love him. And then the other guy is just like a guy that's been around a lot. He was on Castle for a while and he's great too. I love them and they have a really fun scene with Tucci and I was like this is a scene in the first scene of the movie and the last, so enjoy it while you can.
Speaker 1:Folks, my problem with the scene was the information that they tell us is some of the most hated information in the movie for me.
Speaker 2:So I couldn't enjoy the scene you don't like when people put a clock on something, I get it.
Speaker 1:So the butcher? Oh, so then he has a meeting with the butcher in another virtual space and I was like, well, here's a point at which this virtual space is going to be breaking down and the butcher is going to go like what the fuck is going on?
Speaker 2:No, no, this one's fine, so this is obviously on his personal server. Okay, so this is not on the main net, as they say.
Speaker 1:Why do you set us up with a premise of a thing and then one scene later, you're like, no, I'm not going to use it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, we don't need it. We don't need it. It's fine. We want it to look cool. They can walk on water. Maybe that's the glitch. Maybe he's like why am I walking on water instead of in a water? This thing's breaking down.
Speaker 1:There was a cool fish that swam by in the water. I'm like cool fish. There was a cool fish.
Speaker 2:Pay no attention what the hell's going on with your fish?
Speaker 1:Nothing, don't worry about it Because it would have made skate like he'd have to start sweating Sure. And that's the thing. If Stanley Tucci had to start sweating in this movie, I'm like, oh then he'd even be better.
Speaker 2:Sure, do we know what day it is now? Does he say, hey, it's Tuesday?
Speaker 1:What day is my company going to end?
Speaker 2:Okay, just wondering, no. So I have an end date, but I don't know where we're starting.
Speaker 1:Exactly because they don't know what's going to happen in the movie. So they're like we might write six weeks a movie.
Speaker 2:I thought you said Friday. I didn't say which Friday, so Butcher gets up.
Speaker 1:That say Witch Friday. So Butcher gets up. That's a good way around that. They reach Tabletop Mountain. They see the Sears Mall and they start shooting them with appliances. Tony, what machinery did they use to shoot them with appliances? Did this in the last movie.
Speaker 2:It's not a catapult, not a catapult. It was. Oh no, conan, you've done me wrong. I don't remember what it's called. It's called a trebuchet. Ah, trebuchet. I'm never gonna remember that word.
Speaker 1:Trebuchets were those in Conan too, is that?
Speaker 2:where we saw them. I think that's what it was, couldn't have been Conan. Was it? I'm pretty sure it is Conan, because he fires into the ship right. I'm pretty sure it was Conan, I'm pretty sure, okay.
Speaker 1:I could be wrong If anybody watches this show.
Speaker 2:let me know if I'm wrong, but I thought it was Conan.
Speaker 1:So they get captured, they go down there. Here comes Perplexer, who's like a magician in his own little stage. Beautiful, beautiful animation, yeah.
Speaker 2:And wonderful voice work.
Speaker 1:Hank is area, so we go inside the Sears. It's Mr Peanuts, the head of it. They've parked his peanut car in there, which makes us go. Well, I guess they're driving out with that peanut car. They don't drive out excitingly. Do they do anything exciting with the peanut car?
Speaker 2:No no.
Speaker 1:You have marked up a peanut car and you visualized a peanut car and the peanut car's not used in anything. No, so he explains this is a magical world of safety.
Speaker 2:Why.
Speaker 1:What I don't know? Oh, because there's these, there's the scavs. What was the other movie we had with scavs?
Speaker 2:I'm just going to say Conan again. Yeah, another movie with scavs, scavengers.
Speaker 1:Oh no it was the Tom Cruise one.
Speaker 2:Oh, Oblivion the bad guys were scavs. Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. Bad guys, scavs again Now were guys were scabs. Yeah, no, again now were they. Uh, there are other robots right, because we see one. So I am confused. Yeah, are some robots bad, who knows? And some robots are good.
Speaker 1:Well, let me talk about the scabs in a minute okay, I'll talk about.
Speaker 2:well, you do, you Okay?
Speaker 1:this is going to be a four-hour episode. So Mr Peden explains to them that what we'll do is we'll feed you, then we're going to kick you out. Yeah, but we're going to feed you, but we're also going to let you sleep here the night, then we're going to kick you out in the morning because there's bad things at night, that's right. Yeah.
Speaker 2:What do they care? Um? Well, because they're good, they're good robots. Right, because there's good robots, there's bad robots, just oh, just like there's good humans and bad humans. Chris pratt has that line, remember, so maybe it all does make sense there it is.
Speaker 1:It's explained to me um no, it's not.
Speaker 2:Damn, Dan, because I'm confused. We locked all of them in this giant zone and then some of these robots are like well, we're good people, so we're just going to hang out in a mall all the time. I just don't even understand the world. I don't get it.
Speaker 1:We do a bit Chris Pratt goes to get food, and then we do a bit that Twinkies never get old, which?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I thought this was funny, oh, and then, we do a bit that Twinkies never get old, which, yeah, I thought this was funny, oh you didn't like it.
Speaker 1:I hate that. I hate it. There are a few things I hate. Twinkies never go bad. Number one I hate it. And because they do go bad, thank you very much. They are just, oh, they do. They're baked goods, tony. They're made with flour and sugar and some leavening agent?
Speaker 2:No, they're not.
Speaker 1:Yes, they are.
Speaker 2:Yes, they are. No, they're not. They're made with other things. That don't I. Honestly, here's my thing. I've bought into the propaganda. I fully believed that they would last forever.
Speaker 1:I have no idea If you want me to, I would get out a Twinkie. That is, what year is it now? 25?, at least 35 years old and it's as hard as a rock. I would dare you to bite into it, twinkie. Never go bad, because Hollywood says so.
Speaker 2:You're not going to give me a doll, you're not going to give me anything, you're just going to dare me.
Speaker 1:No, I don't want you to. I'll do it. It's my birthday, twinkies, so I don't want you doing that.
Speaker 2:Your birthday. Like you got it for your birthday. Yes.
Speaker 1:They made me it. Oh, at my job one time they made me a birthday cake made out of Twinkies and I was like I'll save them.
Speaker 2:That's the cutest thing I've ever heard. It's very sweet. It's very sweet. I love that and I'm sure you're right Twinkies get old All right and always giving characters asthma as their weakness. Yeah, you do hate that. I hate that so much. If I ever write a movie, I'm going to give all of my characters asthma. Yeah, love that movie. So we're all on the even playing ground Like we all have trouble breathing. Get over it, pal, they're fighting each other Time out. Time out oh.
Speaker 2:Speaking of which I watched that movie, elevation, elevation. I don't know that movie. What movie is that?
Speaker 1:Elevation Anthony Mackie, it's the quiet place, except they won't go above a certain height level.
Speaker 2:And so you got to hide in the mountains. Why didn't we do that for this show?
Speaker 1:It sounds great. I watched the first 25 minutes and then I watched the last 10 minutes. It's a perfect way to watch that movie.
Speaker 2:I hate how you watch movies. Sometimes you drive me crazy, dan, because there's nothing going to happen in the middle.
Speaker 1:Some things are going to happen.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying it's important, but stuff happens.
Speaker 1:It's a bunch of second-hand bullshit, you got problems. Man, I'm a busy guy, man.
Speaker 2:I only got 30 minutes for this movie, so we gotta keep it moving.
Speaker 1:I know you spent 90 minutes making this piece of shit, but I'm not giving it more than 30.
Speaker 2:How was the third act? Was it pretty good?
Speaker 1:Do you want me to tell you this? No, don't tell me I can tell you because if you watch this movie and you get to it.
Speaker 2:You know what you're gonna want want to do, tony.
Speaker 1:You're going to kill yourself because it's so stupid?
Speaker 2:You know, once again.
Speaker 1:You know, like the Quiet Place, all we needed to do was get inside their ears. You're like, give me a fucking break.
Speaker 2:Give me a fucking break.
Speaker 1:Atomic bomb won't blow up their ears. Give me a fucking break. Atomic bomb won't blow up their ears. Give me a break.
Speaker 2:So stupid. But some sounds will Just a frequency. I don't like it either. I get it. I get very annoyed.
Speaker 1:Oh man, we have 12 more pages of this movie. Okay, flashback. Oh, all the robots go to sleep at 5 pm. What was that about?
Speaker 2:Is that a thing that's set?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't even remember that he eats the food, and then we have a quiet scene. All the robots are gone and it's her and Cosmo, or her brother Chris, and then he starts playing the movie, he starts playing the TV show of this thing, and then all the other robots come out.
Speaker 2:And that's when the robots are like, hey, they're not so bad, which is confusing, because the robot is the one that's doing the thing that convinces them that humans are cool Doesn't make a lot of sense, dan. They've never seen TV before.
Speaker 1:There you go. We should have just given the robots TV, okay, so they're all happy with them. Now, what's his name? Did the Mr Peanut? It was.
Speaker 2:Woody Harrelson, I thought he was okay. Yeah, I loved it. Yeah, I thought it was nice. I liked almost all of the voiceover. I didn't like the real actors, but I thought that the voice actors were great.
Speaker 1:Here comes the mail lady. She's got a letter which tells them where they next need to go to find the doctor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, love her, she's great.
Speaker 1:Then Mr Peanut's like okay, we're joining your quest, okay, and they have a baseball guy comes out there. He's like I shoot baseballs out of my mouth but you have to put my mouth back up and then I hit you with a bat and I'm going to be the muscle. And then in all the cases where we need muscle, he kind of hangs back, kind of doesn't do much.
Speaker 2:Well, it turns out he's really not that useful. Like the baseballs is a very, very niche thing that we would ever need, and the baseball bats very close range, so you're probably going to die anyhow, because the human bots have much longer arms.
Speaker 1:I think he explained to us how wood is going to be better at hitting things than baseball. Don't make any sense, let me tell you something about aluminum bats.
Speaker 2:We are not allowed to use them because they're too good. You can't use them in the pros because they'd be hitting them. 8,000 yards.
Speaker 1:Is that really the case with the aluminum bats? They would just.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, Aluminum bats are much easier.
Speaker 1:It would just be home, run, home, run home run this scores would be 172 to 89.
Speaker 2:Hey, do it make baseball a lot more interesting. That'd be pretty fun.
Speaker 1:Okay, so boom, they're loading up. Here comes the butcher. He sees them. How does he not catch up to them? Because he's slow?
Speaker 2:Okay, he's slow, so they go to the place where he does seem to walk everywhere, right as this robot. I don't know, maybe he's slow, okay he's slow. So they go to the place where he does seem to walk everywhere, right as this robot.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I guess. So Maybe he's walking At night. We get to where the doctor is it's at a carnival, even though it had the normal street address. That was weird. Okay, what happens? Okay, the scavengers start attacking them. Okay, what happens? Okay, the scavengers start attacking them. Here come the scavengers. They're, like you know, made up of all these different parts, and I was like, oh, this would be a great place for us to find out that the doctor is actually in charge of the scavengers and that will be this additional army that they have that they can use. No, they just defeat the scavengers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, it's fine, he lets them in.
Speaker 1:Here comes the doctor. It's what's his name, hey.
Speaker 2:I can't remember his name. I feel bad. We just watched his movie, though, did you? What movie did you watch? Yeah, love Hurts. Oh, is he good. He's good. He's good, he's great usually he is a gem, he's wonderful, he's cute, he's funny and he did a lot of martial arts in the movie. Not this movie, love Hurts. We're going to talk about it later, but the movie's not very good.
Speaker 1:They give him basically nothing to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and yet he's still endearing Because he just has that sweet quality to him. It's really nice.
Speaker 1:We like him, as opposed to Millie Bobby Brown.
Speaker 1:We don't like, we're not a fan he's like you got to go to Seattle to save your kid. Okay, we just get more explanation about how everything works and how he was the one that set up the thing so that Chris could escape in this robot. Here comes the butcher. He says not this asshole. Again, I like that line. And then Mr Peanut battles him and then all these other bad guys fly in. Yeah, we have this wacky battle where they kill all the bad guys except the dark, the doctor who gets shot. Mail bot makes a joke about the dangers of dobermans, the dogs, yeah, um.
Speaker 2:so she has this she has this move to we have to set the scene right. She has this move to we have to set the scene right. She has this move where she punches the heart out of another robot and then pulls the hand back and Chris Pratt is like why would a male robot need to do that? And she says because of Dobermans, so that they're murdering dogs. That's the joke.
Speaker 1:That's the joke.
Speaker 2:The joke is hey, I'm going to tear the heart out of your pet animal. Great joke, it's a 10 out of 10. Who wrote this shit?
Speaker 1:I was talking to my wife literally the day before.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:In the 70s we set up that Doberman Pinschers were the most dangerous dogs in the world In the 70s. And there was a movie called the Doberman Gang which was kind of a Disney movie. It was kind of a kid's movie, caper.
Speaker 2:Did the Dobermans ride around on motorcycles, so the bad guys trained Dobermans to help them commit crimes.
Speaker 1:And then in the Boys from Brazil, a movie about cloning Hitler great movie incredible movie. At the end. One of these kids, that is Hitler, has attacked Dobermans.
Speaker 2:Sure okay.
Speaker 1:Tear up the big Nazi hunter, great scene. You know I, as a kid, thought Dobermans were the most dangerous dogs in the world. They are not. Dobermans are the sweetest babies in the world. Every time I see one, I fall in love with it. I love them, love them, love them, and I'm like why? Do we have a hate Doberman, in addition to the dogs, should be killed by postal people. And it's about Dobermans, which is not a thing anymore, you don't think Dobermans are the most dangerous dogs in the world, do you?
Speaker 2:I mean, I've never really thought of dogs as all that dangerous. You know what I mean. Like, the dog itself isn't really dangerous. I don't think we can teach them to do dangerous things for sure. But I've never really blamed the breed. But maybe that's me, I don't. I've never really blamed the breed, but maybe that's me I don't know, maybe I'm too dumb, I'm uneducated.
Speaker 1:Well, pit bulls, have that now.
Speaker 2:Pit bull is your dog, that's no, you're right about that.
Speaker 1:They do have that stigma yeah, pit bulls have that stigma of being fighting I think they're adorable and yeah and a good, well-trained pit bull is the sweetest baby in the world yeah so dan, I would love a list of dogs that you don't think are the sweetest babies in the world. I love wiener dogs, I love dachshunds, but dachshunds you can't say hi to them. For the most part, they will kill you.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, interesting.
Speaker 1:They are the most vicious dogs on the planet, but they're very protective. If they're your dogs, sure, they probably love you very protective If they're your dogs, I'm sure they will kill for you, but they are not friendly dogs generally out in the world Interesting I was just curious and chihuahuas too. I love chihuahuas, but chihuahuas also can be very confrontational.
Speaker 2:Well listen, chihuahuas need a lot of therapy. I'll just tell you that we can fix it.
Speaker 1:The bad guys go and attack the mall and kill everybody in the mall because we have to. If you ever set up something beautiful, your movie is always there to destroy that thing, so that when you get back, there it'll be like ah, fuck you.
Speaker 2:Right, conan Conan's village is destroyed. Remember Pathfinder, his village destroyed, okay, conan Conan's village is destroyed. Remember Pathfinder, his village destroyed, okay. So I do have a question, because I didn't understand the Accords. Yeah, because the humans are like well, you broke the Accords so we can go in and murder your entire village. Yeah, but a human snuck into their land, yeah, so didn't the humans technically break the Accords?
Speaker 1:Who knows If you're going to try and parse the law of what this you know because the butcher says it at one point where he's all like I can't kill a human being. And Stanley Tucci's robot guy kills the doctor.
Speaker 2:Well, that's one of my favorite scenes is when he confronts him about that and he's like, who cares? Yeah, who cares? If it's a human who gives a shit Like nobody cares, kill him.
Speaker 1:That was a really nice moment, but it is a nice moment because you acted exactly how he acts. He's just like what are you talking about?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like it never even dawned on him that that would be like. He's like I. I love it. It's really whatever I want in here I'm, I'm corporate, I'm in charge and butcher's characters. Like you know, that is a moment for him because he does live by code and he's all like no man and I. I thought he should have switched right then yeah, but he doesn't, because that would have been there, isn't like a moment that's been surprising.
Speaker 2:There isn't like a moment. That's the interesting thing. There's not like a moment, then, because this would be the moment. Yeah, but then he's still on the bad team for a while and at the end he's like, yeah, I eventually switched. You know, I had a couple of nights sleep about it and it turns out I don't agree with him.
Speaker 1:Well, he kind of switches, because he just tells them to go home. He doesn't kill all of them. Oh, they grab Chris and they take him away. They go back. The mall is destroyed. Tony's favorite character, prospero, is dead.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was pretty upset by that. I'm not going to lie to you. I would have loved to see him in battle doing some sort of magic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, chris. Oh, I'm not mad at Butcher's man. We won the war. I don't even know what this scene is. We do this whole weird thing. I don't even know who Chris is in shackles. The robot is in shackles. He's still bald. We see his body. He's in the same chamber from the Deadpool movie. Don't you wish he was just a brain.
Speaker 2:Like in a tube a la Futurama.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that would have been fun.
Speaker 1:It would have been interesting, right, if she shows up there and this is a reveal that when she shows up she finds you know, he's just a brain. And then he's all like I don't want to live as a brain. See, if I'm just a brain, I would be like kill me. I'm a brain, sure.
Speaker 2:But he's like a body.
Speaker 1:And you're like ostensibly he could be gotten out of there and rehabbed.
Speaker 2:Oh for sure. Yeah, he seemed in pretty good shape, for I guess it was only a couple years. I keep forgetting that it's only been like two or three years he said yeah, at the most yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know, butcher is mad. We won the war, blah, blah, blah. And then we get Santucci does this whole thing and VR my mom loves me and that's great. And we got the father, the son and the Holy Ghost. And he's the father, chris is the son and the Holy Ghost is the VR set.
Speaker 2:The machine. Yeah, I honestly this confused me more about his character than like, because now is he like okay, hold on, let me collect these thoughts because he's very anti-robot.
Speaker 1:He hates robots For no reason that we know. For no reason that we know, which felt like he'd have a backstory thing where he says I hate them because of dot dot dot XYZ?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, we don't get that at all. He just doesn't like them. Quote, unquote. But then Maybe they killed his dog that would have been a great. That would have made sense, oh so why? But he's making a machine mother, and then he's mad that it's not working right. But like she's not real, she's an algorithm, right. So I'm hazy on his lines here.
Speaker 1:Well, he's saying his mother was horrible and now he's created a mother that loves him and I am not ready to lose that. But that's not the character he's played. He's not playing a character that is emotionally needy.
Speaker 2:He's never played that character. I don't understand the whole motivation. It felt like he had a motivation and then this scene makes it seem less like motivation and more just like I don't know what I'm doing. I just I made some stuff. I don't know, I don't know. I just I thought this muddled it more than it needed to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I got confused. Well, it doesn't make any sense now, because he can play that character like this is sure he could. He could play anything. This is the emotion I live on this and that's the whole thing. You gotta, you gotta know what your characters are so you can say to stanley tucci your mother was horrible yeah, you've made this virtual world where your mother is great. You were very angry at the concept that that might go away of losing you know you actually don't care about anybody else.
Speaker 1:See, right, that's what I think. Great Sandy Tucci plays him like he's a corporate overlord and it's only money that matters, right 100% yes. That is the guy he's playing. He's a disaffected super rich guy who truthfully, as this thing falls apart, could have just walked away from it and been like, well, I'll make my million somewhere else, Someone else is going to take it.
Speaker 2:He already made the money. He's fine, he's doing A-okay, yeah. Even when he talks about his mom later he's like I have my mom here. She was horrible in the railroad, she's great here. There's no emotion to when he talks about it late. I emotion to when he talks about it late, I don't know it's.
Speaker 1:It doesn't make any sense and if that is a terrible film.
Speaker 2:You love this movie I didn't hate it and I'm liking it less and less as we dissect it, but it's still beautiful, still wonderful. The music's great, except for one scene that we already talked about. By the way, did we? We're already, because we already met dr glasses, right? Yeah, the fun house.
Speaker 2:He's dead already. I had a question, dan. So this movie starts in 1990, we said right, 1990. Now we're in 94, I guess. And now we're in 94. So the war happened in those four years somewhere, but somehow Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch still made Such a good vibration. Vibration Bow, bow, bow. That came out in 1991. Are you telling me that in all this anti-robot sentiment, they're still making a song called Good Vibrations?
Speaker 1:Do you want to talk about? I don't know. Do you want to talk about the title of this movie, the Electric State, where Millie Bobby Brown talks about the electricity we share with each?
Speaker 2:other, between us as humans or something. Yeah, I don't understand at all. I can't talk about it.
Speaker 1:Although Danzig is a weirdo and kind of an asshole, I guess he made a lot of money with them using the Mother song when Chris Pratt pulls up. I love that song. It was good.
Speaker 2:I love that song too, and it was a good moment and I was like, okay, and then it was chris pratt. Even though I knew that was coming it, it fell flat. I was like, ah, I'm disappointed, but I loved the wig. And then they just unceremoniously cut his hair halfway through the movie. Why would you do that? It's it, this is I. I got so mad.
Speaker 1:So they decide to go to Seattle to save the kid Right. They drive in semis, then they all swim underwater.
Speaker 2:Or just.
Speaker 1:Herm swims underwater. I didn't understand the underwater part.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's not much to understand, don't worry about it, they get there. That's the answer they get there.
Speaker 1:Herm gets there, starts throwing cars in the window. There's one kind of nice scene where there's a woman standing there and the car hit the window. I was like whoa, she didn't really react as if a car had hit that window. I would have been on my ass if a car hit that window.
Speaker 2:Right. What she does is she's walking by right Car hits a window like a fifth floor story window Not something that normally happens. She looks at it. It's like was that a car? She goes to the window, looks down that was a car. And then she calls the phone. She's like, hey, someone's throwing cars at us guys. She is so calm for someone throwing a vehicle into a building. Good for her, and I wish I had that composure.
Speaker 1:Did I already tell my haircut story on the thing, or did we do that before? That was before I got a haircut. The reason I got a haircut. I hate going to get a haircut because that's my nature. I'm taking the dog out as I walk out. I think I'm getting attacked by another dog. What it is is my big, crazy hair has swung around in my peripheral vision and I see this giant furry thing coming at me, coming at me. This lady reacted less than I do to my own hair 100%.
Speaker 2:She had no reaction. First I mean, yeah, I don't know, Maybe she knew that the windows wouldn't break. But it had first of all just the level of noise, like how loud I'm walking down a peaceful hallway and then boom crash, just giant window shut. I mean it would be scary.
Speaker 1:Okay, we have earthquakes here that just go like this and you're like what's happening?
Speaker 2:I thought it was the last one. Just a few days ago, last week, or whatever, I was on the toilet, dan, I was like this is it? This is how I die. I'm so embarrassed and my heart was just going crazy Because there's nothing you can do? I can't go anywhere, I'm not ready.
Speaker 1:I'm so bummed you didn't die in the toilet.
Speaker 2:There's still time. I'm still young. We got plenty of time for me to die in the toilet.
Speaker 1:He's throwing cars. They brought the trebuchets. Millie bobby brown has the has. Uh, what's his name's computer that knows all the secret robot doctor.
Speaker 2:I like that I like that robot.
Speaker 1:It's cool.
Speaker 2:It's cute um they get it it reminds me of like a game boy screen, so I liked it she immediately gets to the control center, like within, she just not only does she immediately get there, but also no one. There's two people guarding it, and they're not even guarding it, they're just working there. We are under attack, dan. Let me. Let me break this down for you.
Speaker 2:We own a just giant building that houses one big secret this boy in the middle of the building. We are under attack. Yes, do we just leave this boy unattended by robots? By robots who are definitely here for one reason.
Speaker 1:They're in on the secret.
Speaker 2:We just leave them alone with two regular scientists. There's no guards, there's nothing.
Speaker 1:It doesn't make a lot of sense Also a bunch of robots assaulting a place and they're like aren't there a bunch of big power cables going into this thing that you can see?
Speaker 2:For sure. Oh yeah, big time, big time.
Speaker 1:I don't know, you know, you just set up a war right, this is what you do. You go like what would you try to protect and what would you try to take down? Why is he throwing cars at it? I mean, he's doing that initially to distract, right, so she could sneak in yeah, exactly yes, I don't know, it's all done. Okay, they fight. And then Stanley Tucci, our guys are winning. And then Stanley Tucci gets in this other medium-sized robot, and then he's just killing everybody.
Speaker 2:Yeah, again, the robot's not big, I don't know. It's got some sort of a taser like an EMP taser. I don't know. I don't know why it's winning. To be honest, it doesn't seem much cooler than the rest of them and I wanted a really cool robot to come out. We didn't get that.
Speaker 1:And yeah, they're just standard robots. You're like you have a force of 20 people that's going to protect your most important valuable asset. You know, like in real movies, the protection keeps coming right yeah it has to you defeat 20 robots, and then there's another 100 robots and you're like Exactly.
Speaker 2:You're like, yeah, all right, we did it, and then all of a sudden you see over the hill just another row, exactly Like that's what you do.
Speaker 1:You're going to lose. You're fighting a battle of trying to waste their time 100%.
Speaker 2:We're just trying to bide time and not die while Millie Bobby Brown murders her own brother. That's what we're trying to do.
Speaker 1:Somebody says how come you're still fighting? And then they're like you have to be alive to die. And this is the line that causes the butcher to realize he's on the wrong side. So he just sits down and turns himself off. Yeah, does he come back at some opportune moment to do something?
Speaker 2:I don't think so, does he? No, he probably just goes and gets dinner.
Speaker 1:Millie Bobby Brown jacks into her brother's mind it's Christmas, and then he's like it's all my fault. He's like how do I look? And then she won't tell him. So he thinks he's terrible. But all he is is bald.
Speaker 2:So you say that as if that's not a problem, tony. If I okay, listen if 20-year-old me if 20-year-old me, who had hair down to his chin and was in a band, could know what's about to happen, he'd be like just end it.
Speaker 1:You're in a Just end it now.
Speaker 2:You were not in a band. I sure wasn't a band. I've been in a couple of bands in my life.
Speaker 1:What did you play?
Speaker 2:Guitar you play guitar?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, you play ukulele, don't you?
Speaker 2:I do now because it's funnier. I switched that in college because I was like you know, what's funnier than a fat guy with a guitar Is a fat guy with a ukulele.
Speaker 1:So then the kid says they can keep me alive for a hundred years. Would you please kill me, right, oh God?
Speaker 2:It's weird, it doesn't. I mean, it doesn't matter, it doesn't make any sense, and so you never buy into the conceit, and then I don't give a shit.
Speaker 1:Herm, chris Pratt's robot buddy sacrifices himself to save Keith. I thought his name was Keith. I was like I haven't heard his name. I thought it might be Keith. It's Keith, right? No, it's John.
Speaker 2:No, no, but I think that might be his last name, because they do say that a bunch. Oh, maybe it's. Do you think it's John Keefe? Oh, maybe it is, maybe it is, but nobody knows, so it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1:Nobody knows.
Speaker 2:Do you think it says on Google now?
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, if you go to Wikipedia it says his whole name. It's because he's like Sergeant John something, something. But I was like I guess his name's John.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I mean it's.
Speaker 1:We solved the problem I have no idea. Mr Peanut does something. They tore off Mr Peanut's hat at one point. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Giancarlo tore it off and then he was like go tell everyone that it's your fault. It was a weird moment.
Speaker 1:Mr Peter just picked up his hat and took it with him, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and there's a good moment where, because now he's hatless, he's like I better go get my hat, which would have been funnier if they did it right. But I do like that moment. There it is.
Speaker 1:Time is running out. And then millie bobby brown, michelle, says there's always a choice like like you can always, you know, there's always a different way to go. And this is the point at which she, through the course of what she has done, has come up with a different plan, the alternate the alternate plan or counter alternate plan or counter pitch.
Speaker 2:She murders him. She pushes the three buttons and kills him. She pushes three buttons in sequence and kills her brother.
Speaker 1:I mean I'll go either way and the brother's like well, you go do something special, I've already done this there. It is. Yeah, it's weird. Is this a pro-assisted suicide movie? It's weird, is this a pro-assisted suicide?
Speaker 2:movie oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Assisted suicide movie. Pay them to get this in there 100%.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you better believe it. But they were like make it really easy, just three buttons.
Speaker 1:Three buttons, blip, blip blip, all the bad bots fall over. Tony, talk to me about push about pushing, killing, killing everybody. That's, turning off all the vr and all the robots and everyone doing their jobs as robots. What, what, what effect would that have?
Speaker 2:well, the world would crumble. The just everyone, because no one they don't. They say like they're in the dark or something Like I think they shut down just the general society as well as this tiny little battle.
Speaker 1:What happens on the airplanes that are being flown by a robot?
Speaker 2:They probably just land. I don't know a lot about planes, but from what I understand they pretty much fly themselves now.
Speaker 1:So they now, so they'd be traffic controllers, because you don't want to go to work and no air traffic controller is going to want to ever go to work yeah well, you're right about that.
Speaker 2:No, I mean it's weird, right?
Speaker 1:so, like you're on the freeway, society would call all these trucks, all these semis on the freeway being driven by robots.
Speaker 2:Now, what a cool scene that would have been if they just like world destruction all of a sudden. And then they were like uh-oh, what did we do? Resuscitate him?
Speaker 1:In one of my favorite shows ever. What's it called Station 11. Magnum?
Speaker 2:PI.
Speaker 1:Station 11. They have the terrible virus which basically kills 90 whatever percent of the population within 24 hours right, that's a really high percent yes, I mean the population of the whole planet is pretty much wiped out. Sure, the, the protagonists know things are going wrong when this plane you know they're in this 81st story of the building and it just the plane just comes in and hits, hits an amusement park and just oh, and you're all like shit, just got real.
Speaker 2:Right, that's bad, there's no everybody that can fly the plane is dead.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this thing is just like His name, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:What His name is John D Keats Keats, so that's his last name.
Speaker 1:So his name is Keats.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So no repercussions from this happening.
Speaker 2:None, no, which is bizarre again, because then they're like hey, by the way, don't hate robots anymore, we're all good, we're not there yet. We're not there yet. None of you can. But no, what I'm saying is it doesn't make any sense. No, Because they just again. They crippled society, Absolutely crippled it, and now the robots are going to take over. Let's just be clear. That's what people would think, right? They're like oh, they just crippled society. Robots are coming at us again.
Speaker 1:Here we go, back to war. Back to war. Any robots that were left gone? What?
Speaker 2:other rational decision could you make if everything you knew just shut down? It doesn't make any sense All those textbooks they threw away Better go get them. Better go get them, go get them. We don't know how to do anything.
Speaker 1:Okay, we won. It doesn't make any sense. So Chris Pratt jumps up and down we won, we won. But Herm is dying, he's dying and then he's. Why are you talking about this scene? You love this scene so much.
Speaker 2:I just got confused and I want you to explain it to me. Damn, because he's like I love you, you're, you're my friend, which is all good. But then he says in fact, I think I might like you more than a friend. What does that mean?
Speaker 1:see what it has to be, is he's yeah, he knows that he's. It sounds like he's testing him.
Speaker 2:That's the, that's the bit right which I thought was going to happen.
Speaker 1:He shouldn't have gone to the sex thing, because that's too far right. He has to apologize for every. You know, the sex thing was just weird. I don't even know. Somebody was like you know, let's try this. And then they're like well, let's just leave that in. Yeah, no one's gonna like our movie and we may as well leave this weird shit in what it should have been.
Speaker 2:This, this one's for us guys.
Speaker 1:This one's for us it should have been he. He expresses too much and then the little dude's like he, you know, pops the head, pops over. He's like what are you saying? Yeah, he's like what you, you, you love me. What do you mean? You love you know he, he has to immediately go on the attack. But he doesn't go on the attack. He kind of plays that and then he's like I kind of heard something you're like no right, like what did you say?
Speaker 2:did you say you wanted to fuck me? Wait, talk. Let's talk about that you in love.
Speaker 1:You see, that's the bit right. There's the bit he's like man you're my best friend, man you're. You're so special to me. He's like are you in love with me?
Speaker 2:Do you want to lay down with me? No, I'm not in love with you. I'm not in love. How weird is that, are you okay? Yeah, make a weird, but they don't make a joke out of it. No, no, and that's what makes it weird.
Speaker 1:He's tiny Herm and he does make a dick joke About Chris Pratt having a small dick.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, yeah, I haven't seen your 8 inch thing, but I think I'm over exaggerating or something. It's pretty funny but also weird, because we just talked about him wanting to have sex with the robot and now the robot's like I don't need your tiny little pee pee.
Speaker 1:Oh, you, you zoned out for a second there, but you're back, you're lucky, so that's the end of the movie, sort of. I mean, you know the end of that, no the end of the movie is merely Bobby Brown.
Speaker 2:Hold on, okay, sorry, go.
Speaker 1:So then we start off with the news, you know, and the news is all like oh, this happened, and now people love robots. And now people love robots the one guy that we had in the news before. That's like I hate robots. It's not like I love robots now.
Speaker 2:Well, because they were like, Skate was doing illegal experiments on one child and all these humans are like well, now he's way worse than robots. One child, which is ridiculous, because in a war you probably lost tons of children to the robots. So again, if he was farming children, if there were hundreds of brains of children to the robots, so I again, if he was doing, if he was farming children, hundreds if there were hundreds of brains of children lined up right yeah, just because maybe they're.
Speaker 2:You know, the pre-developed brain is the only one that works. So he had to farm children and he had hundreds and hundreds of dead children like great, okay, I get it, he's a bad guy. He did it to one kid we would, we would put up with that a hundred percent right, like as humans, we're not great people and we would be like one child and I get all my cool shit.
Speaker 1:I don't know kind of like my cool shit. I want those shoes I like.
Speaker 2:I mean we're wearing sweaters that are made by children in third world countries, right Like we don't care. We don't care. This movie doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1:And Millie Bobby Brown makes a video which I guess goes out to the world somehow.
Speaker 2:How, yeah, who's broadcasting this shit? I don't know. I don't think they can broadcast from the EX zone or whatever it's called Like. That shouldn't be allowed, otherwise robots would be doing it all the time.
Speaker 1:And she tells her thing. My name is Michelle Green. The world is different and new VR is not real life. Go out, live a life. Lay in the grass, drink from the hose. I've saved you all.
Speaker 2:Which isn't even what this movie was about it is now. Her whole final speech is like get out from your screens and go. You know, enjoy each other's company. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. You didn't do that, you were a loner, it's just. It's just weird.
Speaker 1:You're gonna hang out with a bunch of stupid robots yeah, amen to that.
Speaker 2:I don't this. Oh boy, what a mess, what a mess. But also like if she crippled Society, dan, would we still have a broadcast Channel? Like Is TV still happening? Because you think Humans are running the TV? I don't think they're running it Anymore. I don't know Anyhow.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:This movie don't make a lot of sense If we ever meet the whatchamacallit brothers that did this.
Speaker 1:We will ask them all these topical questions about their movie.
Speaker 2:Sure, yeah, explain to me what you were thinking oh, you wanted to explain to me.
Speaker 1:On your Netflix platform. You wanted to explain to all of us that we should no longer go in for the dopamine necessities of that kind of screen culture.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which, if that's the movie you wanted to make, you should have made that. You should have made that movie, but you didn't. It's a good movie, it's a movie.
Speaker 1:What was that one?
Speaker 2:It could be good, could be bad, I don't know, but it's better than this. Remember when.
Speaker 1:I made us do that special episode about that stupid documentary about the guy that was trying to solve all the things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I do the Social Dilemma. I think that's what it's called.
Speaker 1:It was the same kind of guy with these bullshit things where he's like I'm going to solve all your problems about screens by putting a screen in front of your face. More screens.
Speaker 2:More screens to get rid of screens. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1:guy, Get out of here and then Chris the Brother's robot's on the trash heap and he wakes up and crawls out of there because he's not dead. Yeah, and there was a deer drinking water out of a hood of a car.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I think they just did it because they wanted the reflection of the head in the water. So it's not. People are like, oh, was that it? But it was it. Like it's not confusing. It's not, you're not obscuring it, I don't know, boy, there's a good stuff.
Speaker 1:There's a question, Tony would you rather live? Would you rather live as a robot that can only talk in catchphrases and can't do anything, or die?
Speaker 2:Well, first of all, I basically talk in catchphrases. I'm quoting movies all the time, so I think I would fit right into that. But I wouldn't love having that big head. If we could get me a different robot body, I think I would be much more obliged. But either way, I'm staying alive. I'm not choosing to die.
Speaker 1:I know I understand why they made the robots look like this is because an illustrator wants to draw robots that they think are cool looking, etc. Etc. Etc.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But nobody would build a robot that looks like that.
Speaker 2:No, it's dumb, it's very dumb. It's a dumb looking bot, all right.
Speaker 1:Okay, tony, now is the point at which we talk about something we like this year. You go first.
Speaker 2:This year. Okay, so we talked a little bit and this is not something that I like. This is something I thought we were very excited for. Love Hurts he's great, we love him. The action's cool. The first act is is great, we really liked it, and then it gets super weird and it becomes like a really bad movie. What we could have done it for this. But I don't want to be mean to him because I love what is the movie?
Speaker 1:love hurts. I don't know if I've heard of this, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's called Love Hurts. It just came out a couple weeks ago. What's the premise? It just gets so weird. What's? The setup the premise is the guy that we like, whose name I can't remember, and I feel bad.
Speaker 1:He's key.
Speaker 2:He used to be a hitman for his brother's mob, to be like a hit man for his brother's mob, but now he's like a very sweet, lovely, uh real estate agent in suburbia. And his past catches up with it.
Speaker 1:Okay, right, and that's the first act and then it just gets so weird.
Speaker 2:It gets so weird and they start mid-movie, they start doing like voiceovers for everybody, like we can hear internal thoughts of oh wow, but not just him like side characters, and I was like what's happening? And it just it gets so weird that it was why can't you just make a normal movie, guys? It would have been a fun, cute movie, like a classic jackie chan tale. You know what I mean. Like that's what it felt like we were going with and they're like but here's the twist is, everyone has internal monologues. It's just bizarre. It got weird. We didn't like it.
Speaker 1:Some filmmaker decided to be overly clever.
Speaker 2:A hundred percent, yeah, and I'd still say you should give it a watch because we want to support him. I think this is like his first leading role he's great, he's wonderful. The movie's not great Anyhow. So what I want to talk about just real quickly, is you made us re-get Netflix for the week to do this movie and so we went back and watched Love is Blind Minneapolis, our hometown represent, and it was ridiculous. And it was ridiculous. But what we found in just Googling things about the show because we love to get into it is this gentleman on YouTube. His channel is called Psychology in Seattle and he is a psychologist practicing sort of, but mostly now does videos online where he breaks down reality television coming from a psychologist's point of view. Now, he doesn't diagnose people, but he's like these are some things that they could be thinking, because these people are wild.
Speaker 1:He looks at the pathology of the people on these shows. Oh dear.
Speaker 2:And we are now obsessed. It is so interesting to hear the things he has to say. So it's psychology in Seattle. It's wonderful, a wonderful compliment to your reality television. It's been very fun.
Speaker 1:We watched Heretic.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's someone famous, is it? Notting Hill, hugh Grant, hugh Grant, yeah, god, I love that guy. Wow, oh, is it good. I'd heard good things and I loved it. Wow, oh, is it good.
Speaker 1:I'd heard good things and I loved it I loved it, loved it, loved it. You know, once again you get into the end of the second act, third act. Things get stretchy a bit, you know, oh of course. But he's just, he's good, right. I'm really excited. It's so funny. The guys that wrote it are the guys that did that. The Adam Driver fights dinosaurs in Future Earth or Past Earth, oh, 65.
Speaker 2:They wrote that and they wrote a bunch of other things that movie's bad A few other things that were just terrible.
Speaker 1:But this movie really well written in my opinion. I really enjoyed it. Horror certainly seems to be the place where movies. In my opinion, movies are being made in the horror sphere.
Speaker 2:Most of the good movies I see are horror movies yeah, I mean you're right like, especially like the psychological horror stuff that we're doing, right like, yeah, I get that they're just I don't love it. It's not my favorite genre or like subgenre. What do you call psychological horror as opposed to like horror?
Speaker 1:Well, Barbarian was horror. It was a horror movie. Yeah, you're right. And this is a horror movie and it goes really weird fucking places. And it makes you think, and I think it's the only way where filmmakers actually get to have some ideas and explore them, but also have a period element, a darkness and consequences. Consequences Wow, yeah, so yeah, heretic loved it, okay, all right. Consequences wow, so yeah, heretic loved it, okay, tony, we need a movie to watch Next week that we can then talk about For over two hours.
Speaker 2:Well, I you know we're not gonna talk. Well, I don't know we might, so I Was gonna pivot to the movie you talked about on here, the Cleaner or whatever, which we'll do in a little bit because it's not out on streaming there it is lucky us, so we, we can't do it.
Speaker 2:There's a chance it drops friday, but I don't want to take that chance and then be, yeah, too risky. So what we're doing is, uh, tried and true classic, something that's been on my list for since probably we started it uh, jake Gyllenhaal Summer Blockbuster Prince of Persia, the Sands of Time.
Speaker 1:I think I've watched part of this movie.
Speaker 2:I never watched a single minute of this movie. I think I have watched some of this.
Speaker 1:It's going to be very funny to see him play a Persian. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yep. Spoiler alert he's not, he's very much not Persian. A Persian, yeah, yep, yep, whoa.
Speaker 1:Because, spoiler alert he's not. He's very much not Persian. We'll just tint him up a little in post.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just a little bronzer, It'll be fine, right? Ooh, hollywood, hollywood.
Speaker 1:Oh, hollywood, what are you thinking? Go make some more horror movies. That's what I say, because that's the only movies I'm going to be enjoying.
Speaker 2:Have you watched Nosferatu yet? I haven't watched Nosferatu yet. Me too, or me neither yeah.
Speaker 1:We never.
Speaker 2:No, I want to. I never watched the.
Speaker 1:Northman Still got to get back to that. What's the Northman that's his other movie about?
Speaker 2:Oh, same dude Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he also did the Lighthouse. He did the Witch.
Speaker 2:Oh no, he did the Witch. Yeah, that's one of my least favorite movies ever.
Speaker 1:I hate the Witch. I gotta watch it. I haven't ever watched it. I started it but I didn't finish it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because it's boring, it's dull, there's nothing to it.
Speaker 1:First 15 minutes and the last 7 minutes.
Speaker 2:And it probably didn't make any sense. It was probably the same scene, it's probably just the. Nothing happened. This is the most boring movie ever. Oh, atmosphere. No, it's not Atmosphere, it's dull. That's not an Atmosphere. Jesus people, oh poor.
Speaker 1:Tony, Anyhow. Oh, poor Tony, I feel like when we do give us a thumbs up, a subscription or even send us a message, Please don't send us the crypto scam message.
Speaker 2:We don't like those. Unless, yeah, if it's not a scam, send it. Okay, because I'm looking to get into crypto, but I'm not looking to get scammed.
Speaker 1:It's some good, useful crypto information. We'll take that and we'll be back next week talking about whatever movie Tony just said.
Speaker 2:Prince of Persia, sands of Time, I think I have that one.
Speaker 1:Let me see it's got to be on my list here too.
Speaker 2:It's definitely on your list.
Speaker 1:Funky Monkey. Do you have Funky Monkey on your list? I've never even heard of this movie. I updated my list and I wrote down Funky Monkey. I mean, I'm assuming it's a movie. I have no proof of that, but I'm pretty sure how do I not have Prince of Persia on this list? That is unbelievable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a bad list, then, Okay.
Speaker 1:Prince of Persia next week We'll see you then.
Speaker 2:Goodbye everybody. Hey, watch it with Dan and Tony. We'll see you then. Goodbye everybody.