Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
Hate Watching Oblivion: Tom Cruise, Sci-Fi Tropes, and CGI Marvels
Remember those childhood days of panning for gold at Knott's Berry Farm? We do, and it sets the stage for our throwback review of the 2013 sci-fi flick "Oblivion," featuring Tom Cruise. Does Cruise's undeniable charisma salvage a film riddled with clichés and predictability? We banter back and forth, questioning the originality—or lack thereof—of the movie as it borrows liberally from other sci-fi tales without adding fresh twists. Plus, our new segment "Themes" wonders aloud if the film genuinely probes meaningful concepts or merely plays in the kiddie pool of profundity.
Tom Cruise's dedication to his craft shines through even in a script that's less than stellar. His commitment is a beacon, transforming what could've been a forgettable movie into something bearable, albeit not groundbreaking. We tackle the evolution of CGI, comparing past and modern techniques, and marvel at the film's visual grandeur, wishing its script had the same level of detail. The film's amazing visuals juxtapose with a narrative tapestry of familiar tropes, leaving us to ponder how it could have been elevated with a more nuanced story.
Our conversation meanders through the movie's narrative quirks and character dynamics, peppered with humor as we tackle the absurdity of clones, drones, and dystopian themes. From the peculiar storyline of superfluous gum-in-machine tropes to the absurdity of drones programmed to destroy library books, we engage in a light-hearted exploration of Hollywood's storytelling choices. Wrapping up, we nostalgically compare past cinematic experiences with today's content, laughing through plot inconsistencies and dreaming of what could have been. Join us for this blend of analysis, banter, and a touch of nostalgia.
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Way, way back in the past. I don't think they still do this, but at Knott's Berry Farm you could pan for gold.
Speaker 2:Like in a little stream, and you shake it out. Oh, that's cute.
Speaker 1:And I still have my little containers of the gold that we panned when we were kids.
Speaker 2:Wait, was it real gold.
Speaker 1:It was real gold and actually there was one person that worked there who stole lots of it over a bunch of years. They finally were like hey.
Speaker 2:I mean, how would you not? It's gold. You take one piece of gold every day. No one will ever know.
Speaker 1:Welcome to Ain't Watching with Dan and Tony. I'm Dan, I'm Tony. On this show, we talk about movies. This week we're talking about the movie Oblivion from 2013, starring Tom Cruise and a supermodel and a woman who's gone on to do better things, had she done better things before this too. I feel like she was already somebody, the redhead yeah, she's been in lots of actual good things.
Speaker 2:She's like she's British. She does like British stuff. Right, could be Like real British stuff.
Speaker 1:I recognized her name and I was like, oh yeah, I've seen her in movies that I enjoyed her in.
Speaker 2:Oh boy, I'm so excited to talk about this today.
Speaker 1:I've seen movies that weren't transparently, you understood what exactly was going to happen. I'm the world's stupidest person, right? I can be fooled by anything, except when a thing doesn't do anything to fool you and says the first 30 seconds it's like this is what the movie's about.
Speaker 1:You're like, oh great, and you're like you get to the points in the movie where you're like, oh, this is when they'll mix it up and they'll confuse me and they'll add tension. And then they're like, no, we're not going to do that, not in this movie. We don't want you confused. We're not going to call anything into question, tony. We've got a new segment for the show.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow, okay, Everybody. This is a landmark occasion because we are four years into the show. We've got a new segment. Here we go.
Speaker 1:It's called Themes. I think we've done this before, maybe a couple times.
Speaker 2:I think we might have Usually probably sci-fi as well. What?
Speaker 1:are the themes that this movie explores.
Speaker 2:Oh, explores, not just posits. You know what I mean, because I would argue that they kind of like bring up a couple things that you could explore, but I they don't really explore there it is.
Speaker 1:That's why we shouldn't talk about this movie, because it's stupid okay, so I this is what I thought was gonna happen when you said when you?
Speaker 2:because dan goodsell texted me the other night as he finishes this movie. And what did you say? Mind-numbingly dumb.
Speaker 1:Is that what you said to me? It was mind-numbingly dumb.
Speaker 2:yes, I'm just going to double check. You Just finished mind-numbingly dumb. That's a direct quote from Dan Goodsell.
Speaker 1:I could have also said mind-numbingly unoriginal, because someone else talked about it and they were all like this movie steals from lots of other movies. And usually when they say that I'm like I watched the movie and I'm like I guess this movie, I get to the end and I'm like, oh yeah, that's what they did. They just stole from other movies.
Speaker 2:But they stole from good movies and they made it make relative sense. It's not like you watch this movie and you're like I don't know what's going on. It's the opposite you watch this movie and you're like I know exactly what's going on this entire time, which shouldn't be a fault.
Speaker 1:Oh, so hold on a second. So you're saying, when main characters spend 25 minutes giving a discourse on what exactly needs to happen, and that is what needs to happen in the movie, that makes it an enjoyable movie to you.
Speaker 2:Not necessarily enjoyable, but I don't think that it makes it a terrible movie. And here's my only one, the only thing I'm going to say if it wasn't Tom. Cruise. I don't think this movie would work at all Without Tom Cruise's charisma.
Speaker 1:Okay, then I'll say the only thing I need to say is even Tom Cruise and his charisma couldn't save this pile of trash.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's interesting, because I disagree. I think that he's able to engage me. Even though I'm like, yeah, no, I know, bud, tom, I know what you're saying. I get it Like let's just move on.
Speaker 1:But I'm still engaged. The thing is, is you just enjoy watching Tom Cruise wrestle with the mediocre concepts that are put forward in this movie?
Speaker 2:Because he does.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Because he commits. There's one thing that you could ever say about tom cruise, it's he fucking commits, man. And if he didn't commit, this would be this garbage right, just jarbled beautiful garbage. But he commits and he takes me on the journey.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's fine, I mean I, I you know, if you want to sit there and watch tom cruise, commit to commit to watch tom cruise any day commit to a movie that has a bunch of good looking cgi that you know, pretty good, pretty good looking I think from top to bottom even even today like by today's standards, this movie, this movie's 12 old now and I think it holds up 90%, I think.
Speaker 1:Someone was complaining about CGI, saying it's gotten worse, and I wonder if they don't spend as much time slash money. It seems like they spend the time and money because at the end of these movies the new movies the list of people is 10 million long.
Speaker 2:I have my own theories. Okay, they're based on very little information. I believe we've come to rely too much on CGI as opposed to doing a nice mix of practical and CGI, for example, in this movie. Yeah, so you know how the mandalorian is shot on led screens like it's. It's a big led wall and they do like real-time projected graphics on it and that's the environments they're in. I don't know if you know this. It's virtual production. Sure, this is one of the earliest movies.
Speaker 1:So the only thing in the mandalorian they have is an occasional barrel or crate. Everything else is painted in.
Speaker 2:Is that what you're saying? There are sets as well, but when you're like outside in the desert right, and you see desert stretching on for miles, they're just in a little sound stage with sand on the stage and a couple of practical and the rest of it is all shot somewhere else and digitally created.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:It's really cool. The Mandalorian is like the first one to do this right and like full scale with LED walls. But this movie in 2013, 10 years before the Mandalorian right, that's not the right math, but you can understand, I don't understand this movie for the sky. I don't know what. Do you call it? The sky house, whatever, wherever?
Speaker 1:they live in the house.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah so that is on a sound stage that whole set is built on a sound stage and they actually hung white muslin around, got it, uh, in a full 360 and they shot projections onto those. Now, not to get like too nerdy, but before this movie and a couple of like 2013 was kind of when it started, but like before that, they would use this sort of thing to help light. So, like you could, the hardest thing about using green screen, blue screen, is lighting correctly and getting natural lights on your actor, sure. So what you would do is you project something onto a white screen or something that would bounce the light, so it helps you know what colors to use to make it look natural. This is one of the first big productions that actually was able to use the projections in the final product. Usually, you replace them with CGI. In the end, this sky home was fully used practically and they projected the sky was.
Speaker 2:I believe I read it was shot on top of a volcano and they just kind of did a 360 camera on the top of a volcano anyhow. So like that's why it looks so good up there. Right, like you look up there and you're like I don't know, this looks beautiful. It's because it's just, it's just basically real. For the most part, yeah, and there's some of the ship that you're like. That doesn't really hold up. You know some of the ship flying, which is fine okay I thought it was okay.
Speaker 2:I like it's totally okay there's just like a couple of moments where I was like, okay, there, it is right. Okay, listen, 90 to 95 percent of this movie, I think, is it perfectly shot and made, like it's it's wonderful. Um, so that helps me enjoy this movie a lot, like I'm watching and it's beautiful, and I looked it up halfway through because I was like man, I, I am really enjoying this visually. What who is this guy turns out it's the same guy that did top gun maverick with tom cruise?
Speaker 2:yeah, of course it's going to look good Like. This guy is a visual genius, and can you imagine just for one second if somebody had put the care and the thought into the script as much as they put it into the actual production, this movie would be perfect, he wrote it. This would be like the best movie ever. Dude wrote it. Well, he wrote like the treatment and then someone wrote the script, because he so supposedly based on a graphic novel that he never actually wrote yeah, is that what I understand?
Speaker 1:what it is is he sort of had an idea and started working on the thing and then sold the thing and then, never finished the thing because he he got to make his movie.
Speaker 2:That all makes sense yeah, I mean it's all about making the movie.
Speaker 1:That's the thing about this movie is it's just a pastiche of things and you know there's a little bit of whatever the Will Smith movie is. Independence Day is thrown in there.
Speaker 1:Sure Planet of the Apes thrown in there, you know. So it's just sort of a bunch of science fiction tropes sort of glued together In a beautiful package. My problem is it just, you know, you just sit there and you watch it and just everything is just absurd. You know, when you watch Independence Day the first time, you understand why there's two things that occur in Independence Day. You understand how Will Smith defeats the one alien.
Speaker 2:Welcome to Earth.
Speaker 1:Then you understand how Jeff Goldblum is able to get onto their ship and implant the virus. Those are the two things. Without either of those things, that movie falls apart and is probably pretty dopey. But those two things were both very smart things. Still great though. No, no, no, but you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:No, no, I agree, I agree, I 100% agree.
Speaker 1:That's why it is a good movie. I haven't seen it in a long time. Maybe it's a bad movie when you watch it now.
Speaker 2:I don't know it still holds up pretty good.
Speaker 1:I just re bravura performance. You know he is, he kills it so is goldblum's great too, goldblum's wonderful yeah like everybody's.
Speaker 2:You know, the dad is great. I can't remember that actress name. I mean, it's the cast. Unbelievable judd hirsch, right, yes, yes, yes so good, so good, you know.
Speaker 1:So you got a good cast, great actors, you got the two main plot points. Make help you suspend the disbelief of the whole movie. This movie you just can't suspend. You have the bad guy aliens out there and somehow Tom Cruise gets to fly his helicopter around wherever he wants, whenever he wants. They don't monitor anything, you're just like what's happening?
Speaker 1:How is this happening? It's weird amount of suspension of discipline. You know like, come home and do our thing and make sure bring a bomb, but bring you know, and we're not. We're not gonna think you're gonna bring a bomb, even though we, we can read your heart rate and know what you're thinking and know you well, you know, they try, they give you the one line, dan, it doesn't work for you.
Speaker 2:I don't, I don't remember the one line that you asked me to come back. We can talk about it later.
Speaker 1:You asked me to come back here, oh come on, you asked me to come back here, yeah, and why did they ask you to come back here After all that we've done?
Speaker 2:that's what you're going with. I don't think so, pal.
Speaker 1:So just those kind of things. You know, you, you've you've used tiny threads to connect all these things and you're just hoping that it stays suspended. And it just fell down for me, you know, almost instantaneously I totally get that.
Speaker 1:I'm not, I'm not arguing those points and at all, and I mean there were times in the movie where you're just like man. This would be such an easy fix to make there actually some tension, where you're not sure who the good guys are or who the bad guys are. From minute one you know the guys in white are going to end up being the bad guys and you know the guys in black are going to be the good guys.
Speaker 1:I mean it certainly doesn't help that the clip that they put on Netflix shows Morgan Freeman telling you the plot of the movie. Oh does it.
Speaker 2:It's terrible, you're like that's not the clip you can put on there. I didn't get to watch that clip, Dan, because we canceled our Netflix.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know you did that.
Speaker 2:I haven't been able to see that. That's so funny though.
Speaker 1:So certainly with a better. You know I haven't seen the Top Gun 2, but you know, I know you like it and everyone I know says it's good.
Speaker 2:Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa. You haven't seen Ian Gary's in it. You got to see it. Why haven't I seen that? You got to see it, Dan.
Speaker 1:No, but I understand that. Yeah, if this had a tense plot, that actually wasn't just a guy fighting against random drones occasionally and you cared about the human beings when they did get shot, you know.
Speaker 2:Well, sure, I mean, you don't really care, you know, that's okay.
Speaker 1:You don't understand why there's battleships, you know, on the bottom of the ocean and then it keeps walking, and then they're in a library that goes down 100 stories. I don't understand how that works, sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, you don't understand sand. All right, it's a sand thing. You don't understand how sand moves? Okay.
Speaker 1:We want to have a thing that looks really cool, like this it's like but it doesn't make any sense. Oh, okay, but it looks cool.
Speaker 2:So that's what I mean. It's like visually. So okay, Visually, this movie is a 10 out of 10.
Speaker 1:This is just like there's eye candy for Tony and there's eye candy for Tony, so I like the movie.
Speaker 2:And ear candy, because the score I also love, oh okay. So I think visually it's great, auditorially it's great. Is that the right word? Auditorially, I don't know.
Speaker 1:It's, I don't know it's odd or it's, I don't know. Adioreally, the score is great.
Speaker 2:That's what I'll say noise am good. Yeah, there you go. Uh, the performances are. Two out of the three of them are stellar um, which is not the best ratio in the world that girl has has had a huge career.
Speaker 1:Has she really Go look at her IMDb?
Speaker 2:I don't want to be mean, I'm not trying to be mean. Let me just be clear. You're talking about the pretty hot brunette. Julia. Yeah, his wife Julia Julia Guglia. Yeah, that's 58 credits. Wow, Some of them are real. Lots of them are real.
Speaker 1:No, no, lots of them are real. She's in James Bond. Oh, is she a Bond?
Speaker 2:girl.
Speaker 1:Is it a?
Speaker 2:good Bond movie. Wow, yeah, okay, I mean good for her.
Speaker 1:Good for her?
Speaker 2:I guess I don't have a lot to say other than that.
Speaker 1:Being a hugely successful super hot model and that she gets to be a movie star. I wasn't sold Right.
Speaker 2:I wasn't sold in this movie. Maybe that's the movie's fault, let's be honest, because, like I was saying, if it's not Tom Cruise, I think this story it just crumbles. Sure, but I think he can perform it well enough that I'm like all right, let's go to the next beautiful scene. I that I'm like all right, let's go to the next beautiful scene. I love it. So maybe it's not her fault, maybe she's just not. She's incapable of elevating a bad script.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean? Sure Well, she's not really giving a lot to do.
Speaker 2:No, she's just like A lot of just looking.
Speaker 1:I'm going to stand here and this is your classic movie where nobody talks to each other. Somebody's going through a thing and they're on comms with the other person and there's like silence. You're like what, wouldn't you say a little something?
Speaker 2:you would. But then you watch tom cruise's eyes and you're like, oh, he's thinking about it, he's, he's going through this shit mentally and I am, I'm here for it okay, are you?
Speaker 1:are you ready?
Speaker 2:all right. Yeah, let let's talk about this, Jim.
Speaker 1:Earth before the war, new York before I was born. Then I creep on some lady in black and white on the Empire State Building.
Speaker 2:I wish that that was his line, but continue March 14th 2077.
Speaker 1:Mandatory memory wipe. Two weeks to finish our missions. Scavengers blew up, the moon, cities were destroyed, invasion nukes. We won the war but we lost the planet and we had to move to Titan. But we still have our giant TET satellite that's floating out there. It's a space station, but we also have to protect these generators that are stealing. They're taking our water and they're doing cold, cold fusion or whatever, and then making it into power, and but to keep this going they have to have a human being. Who's the one guy who can work on the technology of the drones that protect the generators? Because why does a human, random Well?
Speaker 2:because the human being Sorry, the scabs are trying to destroy them. Scabs V Scabs With a V Scabs, is it yeah?
Speaker 1:Because they're scavengers.
Speaker 2:Interesting Scabs. I thought it was scabs the whole time. I know you weren't paying attention or listening. I don't read subtitles, okay, this perfect score.
Speaker 1:It's perfect sound.
Speaker 2:You can't even hear the words. When we logged in, I was listening to the score right now on Spotify. It's beautiful man.
Speaker 1:Who did that? Oh, I love it. Why don't you shout out to who did the score?
Speaker 2:Well, because I don't know these people, m83. Oh, m83, love that guy Anthony.
Speaker 1:Gonzalez know these people um m83 oh, m83, love anthony gonzalez.
Speaker 2:Love him too. Uh, joseph trappenese, yeah him too, and suzanne sun, for those are all people credited on the god bless on the score. I don't know any of those people so they have to have a tom cruise human has.
Speaker 1:he's the only guy that can work on these, these things, but he's mind wiped for a reason that's never explained, that he never thinks and we're like okay.
Speaker 2:Well, he doesn't seem to question it. We know why Pretty much immediately. I feel like we know why he was mind wiped.
Speaker 1:Yes, so we know that these are the bad guys. The bad guys are the guys stealing all Earth's water and we don't know why they would hire a human. And that is never answered.
Speaker 2:Well, because you can't answer it. You know what I mean? Because I don't think there's anything that you could tell me that would convince me that it makes sense.
Speaker 1:There's no single line you can write.
Speaker 2:I don't think so, I really don't. Yeah, I don't think so, I really don't. Yeah, I don't know what to tell you, but it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1:But this is our conceit. And then he has Is he the wife or girlfriend, or fuck buddy, exactly? What is she exactly? You don't really know.
Speaker 2:Their relationship is wishy-washy at best, right, like they're definitely involved because they have some beautiful pool of making. Yeah, but you don't really understand it. And the great thing is either, do they. That's the interesting thing about it is they're just kind of like I mean, we're here, so we're together and we're a team, so let's bone. Do we ever find out what she thinks? Not really, um, because you have like some. Oh yeah, because she at a certain point.
Speaker 1:What we're going to find out is that I think in the in the past life, she was in love with him.
Speaker 2:Yes. And he was in love with this other woman who's going to come back at a point in the movie and he's already dreaming of her.
Speaker 1:so we already know that that's his real ultimate love. And so we don't know if the redhead, if she, loves him and is complicit in the thing, or she's figured it out or we don't know anything.
Speaker 2:True, I think my yes, I agree with you. She was in love with him in the, in the before times, for sure, which is why she stays with him when they go to their death, which will come up, which is why she stays with him when they go to their death, which will come up. And I think that she, similar to how he feels about this mystery woman. I feel like she feels that way about him, Like she. She was mind wiped and she knows that she loves him, but she doesn't really know why, because he's doesn't really give her what she needs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I mean, see, these are the themes that this movie, I think, could have played up to understand. Sure, because then you would have an actual human conflict, as opposed to this random. You're conflicting with an alien AI that's sitting out there. That doesn't really mean anything.
Speaker 2:There are two places that you need to have the humanity conflict right it's with her and it's with the scabs, with a, b, and we don't really deal with either of them, which is unfortunate, because your whole the movie isn't about the AI bad guy, right, like we can all agree. It seems to think that it is for some reason, but it's not. The movie is a love story between him and his wife. That's what it should be.
Speaker 1:And it should be what he has to go through to do that, or it has to be that people are trying to manipulate him with these people and we're never really sure who he is actually in love with and what's a manipulation Sure, which I think is what maybe Total Recall is about. That I think Total Recall, that's what it's supposed to be about?
Speaker 2:It is exactly about that, God. I love that movie.
Speaker 1:Neither movie doing it very well, but you know.
Speaker 2:Did we do the remake? I think we did. I think we might have too. Now that we're talking, about it.
Speaker 1:Tony and I have talked about this a few times. We're going to end up trying to do a movie and we're going to figure out that we've already done 100%, because. I'm pretty sure we did the Colin Farrell one because I have some memories of watching some of it and I definitely didn't see it in theaters, right, I'm? Pretty sure I saw it one time or watched a little bit of it and then turned it off, and now I have a feeling in my mind that I watched the entire thing and I think the only reason that would have happened was because of this show.
Speaker 2:See, you know exactly how Tom Cruise feels in this movie. You have just snippets of memory and you're like I don't know. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1:It's pretty funny. I reconnected with this childhood friend that you know. It's like I remember him and I remember a few things, but I don't. You know, there's so little. I don't have a lot of memories of my childhood, sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah me neither.
Speaker 1:We talked yesterday and he was like and remember when this happened and we did this at your house and we went to this, and I was like I do not remember any of those things?
Speaker 2:I certainly do not. But thank you, you know, so it's, yeah, that's.
Speaker 1:The memory is a super interesting thing. That's, you know, compartmentalized, and our brains make a lot of weird choices about what's important.
Speaker 2:Dan, I don't know what to tell you. I'm looking at the list of episodes.
Speaker 1:Nope, it's not on there.
Speaker 2:And Total Recall is not on that list.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, maybe I'm just having a memory of the one part of them. I don't.
Speaker 2:But I have the same memory. I feel like we did it. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I think maybe I watched somebody else talk about it then, and then they had some clips in there and I was like oh, okay I've seen this movie.
Speaker 2:This looks terrible. I don't know okay anyway. Well, you know, I'll do a little more research.
Speaker 1:Maybe we'll do that someday so he's gonna save the earth.
Speaker 2:He's got a helicopter that he goes and chases, drones down and then cool helicopter fixes them, but then is also lazy about doing it well, he's not lazy but you know he's got that humanity side to him. He likes to to talk about the old New York that he read. Did he say read about?
Speaker 1:I probably didn't say that early on, but at a certain point I feel like he said, I read about it. Oh, maybe he could have, because he has read about things he does collect books.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but wouldn't that be a concerning thing to the AI when, if he's like I'm reading books?
Speaker 1:I don't know he couldn't say that to the ai because, yeah, we get very mad, but the fact that they're not monitoring comms is pretty weird, right? I don't know you mean they're not monitoring it, even though they they go out of range every once in a while. The flip side, all that is well, you still be recording all that stuff, you're not having 100, you're an ai, so it's pretty easy for you to keep track of what's going on with the human being yeah, I mean it's 2077.
Speaker 2:Okay, like you've got the technology to record, he's got a flight recorder from a flight before the war and I don't know. It's all.
Speaker 1:It doesn't make any sense so he has to go out and try to find this drone that's crashed. He goes out in a storm. He's like in the process of literally almost crashing, doesn't talk to his person. You know his, his girlfriend doesn't know where. I'm like not like well, I'm having some problems out here. You know like act like you mean, he's just like gonna die now, had he crashed, she would have no idea.
Speaker 2:She'd just be sitting there being like hello, are you coming back? What's going on?
Speaker 1:He lands, I think, in maybe Giant Stadium, because he said it's a football stadium.
Speaker 2:It's definitely a stadium, I can't remember. I feel like he might have said he said it was football for sure it's definitely football because he talks about the QB, yeah, so he does a weird thing talking about football, which was weird, and you're like, okay, I don't know why this is in here, but okay, okay, here's the thing. I love this scene but again, only because it's Tom Cruise I think he sells it to me of a guy talking about a sport that he's never seen before.
Speaker 1:Trump is very good at playing, See that's the thing, tony, you love him because he's such a dude very good at playing. See, that's the thing, tony. You just you love him because he's such a dude and he just dudes all over the place and I just look at it I'm like who could?
Speaker 2:dudes all over the place.
Speaker 1:If I was, in a room with this guy, I would be like, yeah, okay, nice to meet you, good luck with your life. You don't want to be friends with him let's be, I'm.
Speaker 2:You know I'm kidding, tom. If you're out there, if you're listening, call me, I will be friends with you. You, me and Glenn Powell should go get drinks.
Speaker 1:He figures out that you can't fix this drone, and so he uses gum to fix it. I guess that's why I guess this is actually the pivotal scene that explains why a human being is there, because the human being doesn't listen to what it says. He knows that he can fix it with gum.
Speaker 2:Because it's, you know, the classic AI scenario where AI thinks logically and humans can think outside the parameters of a machine.
Speaker 1:So I'm working on this thing with my friend and she called me in to do some writing and you know it's a thing. And so she sent it over to me, some writing, and you know it's a, it's a, it's a thing, it's. So she sent it over to me and I'm like, looking it over, it's just a simple you know little paragraphs of stuff and I you know. Then I get her on the phone. I'm like, well, this first one's really good. This second one is it's, it's terrible, and she's all like well, I spent a lot. I spent a lot of time working on the first one. The second, second one, I was just trying to get something. I was kind of trying to use ChatGPT and that was just such a beautiful illustration of everything you need to know, A smart human being.
Speaker 1:when they work on something, they can turn it into something really nice. But if you just ask the ChatGPT to give you something, even if it's based on your ideas. What it's going to give you is the lowest common denominator garbage. It sounds like garbage, see, so we solved the movie.
Speaker 2:We've literally solved the movie. Good for you.
Speaker 1:I needed one line in there with the gum.
Speaker 2:It is interesting? No way.
Speaker 1:I could have fixed this. Only a red-blooded Tom Cruise, human American.
Speaker 2:Now, don't you think it would have been more interesting if it wasn't gum and it was something that would make sense? You know what I mean? Like because the gum in the machine it's dumb, it's really dumb. Well, but if it had been something that actually made sense and the machine was like telling him to do one thing and he's like no, no, no, trust, no, no, trust me.
Speaker 1:I, you know, I'll figure this out. That's a much better scene, Right. It's saying it's saying go about it this way, and he's like no, you got to do this because of this and this, but you see the right, the gum is the gum is the same as like hitting the TV to make it work, or hitting the thing 100%, I mean. I get it.
Speaker 2:I understand it.
Speaker 1:It's the trope, as opposed to you, which is well, how can? Because we've watched the movie and we know what needs to be sold at this point. They don't know what needs to be sold, because they make the. I think that's what happens with Hollywood, right, they make the whole movie and a really good filmmaker knows what needs to be sold when. Sure, but a lot of times they make the movie and they're not quite sure what needs to be sold when, or they forget that they need to sell things at certain points.
Speaker 2:Sure, yeah, it's complex, it is complex, you're right about that.
Speaker 1:So he fixes it and then he gets a bogey, boop, boop, boop, and it's a dog. So there's this dog, we're like, and it's a dog. So there's this dog. I'm like, oh cool, he's going to have a dog companion through this movie. This is going to be great.
Speaker 2:Nah, nah, we've done that. That's a different Will Smith movie. Which one is?
Speaker 1:that? Oh, that's I Am Legend. I Am Legend based on the Richard Matheson story.
Speaker 2:You knew that.
Speaker 1:Ah, richie Matheson, yep Good guy he has to get the dog to run away because the drone's waking up.
Speaker 2:The drone's going to kill him. It's ready to kill that dog. I don't like that at all.
Speaker 1:Wow, that's scary, I wonder if that means the drones are the bad guys.
Speaker 2:Well, not only that, but why would the drone be programmed to kill a dog? Because technically, the movie says the drones are to kill humans. No, kill scouts, kill scavengers.
Speaker 1:Morgan Freeman says that no, no, no, but that's not what Tom Cruise thinks. Tom Cruise thinks they're there to kill scavengers.
Speaker 2:No, I know that. I understand that, but in reality Morgan Freeman's like. No, no, they're designed to kill humans. That's why we disguise ourselves and use the voice marks so that the thing doesn't think they're humans, Because it's programmed to kill humans. But why is it programmed to kill dogs? It's dark.
Speaker 1:I don't like it Because you want to kill the dog. If you're a drone, I don't want them to kill the dog because essentially, it's food for the humans. If you kill all the food, that's interesting.
Speaker 2:I understood that. What do these people eat, Dan?
Speaker 1:It's been 50 years. They have secret farms. They probably eat out of really old rusty cans.
Speaker 2:I didn't see any of that.
Speaker 1:There's probably. Like you know, they probably have a lot of mushrooms.
Speaker 2:Because that grows in dirt Underground, in the dark Underground. Yeah, okay, okay, great.
Speaker 2:I know a lot about mushrooms from super mario brothers, so you know, if, if we try to really understand how the humans are still alive on the planet, that's you know we're never going to get there well, we're not, because the movie doesn't think about it, and this is what I'm talking about when I, when I say when I, when I said in the beginning that if someone had taken the care to to write this script, build this world as much as I feel like they put care into the direction and the and the sound and the acting like all of that is super tight, but the world itself is nonsense, because that's it's a bit of gobbledygook because you know, every movie, every science fiction movie of this sort is a giant equation, right?
Speaker 1:It's not like you watch Indiana Jones like the first one, right?
Speaker 1:Pretty straightforward, he's stealing from this tomb because he has a map or whatever, goes back to his job. The government comes, we move to the next thing. Then we bounce. You know we now we got to get the hip thing and then we got to go to find out where the thing is and we got to go dig it up and then we got to get on the submarine. Boom, that's how that all happens pretty straightforward. We don't have to build anything. We understand everyone know. We understand what the bad guys want and why they want it. We understand what the good guys want and how they're going to go about getting it.
Speaker 1:This thing we have to establish the good guys, the bad guys, the maybe bad guys, the maybe good guys, how they live. Where they live, it's like why are they on this magical sex house in the sky? Pretty cool. How hard would it be to just put a bomb on that thing, yeah.
Speaker 2:You would think pretty easy, but there's no one to put a bomb on it right, there's the scavs. I guess the scavs yeah, because they blow up one of the hydrogen reactor things.
Speaker 1:You're right, wouldn't they want to?
Speaker 2:kill them Whatever. Who knows? Oh, here's a question. Yeah, those machines have been running for 50 years, right, that's what they say? Sure, how much water Would it take 50 years to suck up our water? I just feel like these machines are running pretty slow Because there's still a lot of water. I don't know if you noticed this, but it doesn't look like the basin's running dry.
Speaker 1:Oh, but it is running dry because we see those ships that are sitting there on the ground.
Speaker 2:I guess that's true, but when they go to those machines it still feels like there's a lot of water.
Speaker 1:I don't know Well no, he said it was two weeks. It's going to be done in two weeks.
Speaker 2:So I just thought it was like a change of shift after two weeks, and then I also thought that that was a lie and they were just going to kill him and send in a new drone. So you're saying that the oceans are done in two weeks? That was my feeling.
Speaker 1:Flip side of all that is, if you just spent 50 years sucking it dry and there were only two weeks left of water, we would not be surviving. That's right, and there certainly wouldn't be a magical pond that he had his secret headquarters at 100%, but boy is that place beautiful.
Speaker 2:Also, I think I read this was shot in Iceland and it is gorgeous and we need to move there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's neat, it's very nice Very pretty. Wow, let's see. Okay, so Jack is chilling. He gets out his motorcycle. He's tracking a missing drone. He finds a hole. Does he see the drone down at the bottom of that hole? He thinks he sees the drone, but what he really might see is a giant globe. I believe that's the globe he sees even though he's looking straight down and the globe is further into the cave is in there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I think pretty sure that's what happened. Yeah, maybe there was a mirror of some sort that was like showing the globe.
Speaker 1:You know, indiana jones style you know, that's the funny thing about watching these things, about these these you know, high tech worlds. It's like we all know what you would do now is he would just have a little drone that would go fly right down in there and look and instate, you know, but immediately he starts repelling because that's if you have, if you're paying for Tom Cruise, you have to have him repel at some point.
Speaker 1:Cause you have to have him repel at some point, because he does a lot of these stunts and I appreciate it every time. Let's see, he repels down and then it turns out to be a trap and they knock over the bridge that he walked over over this gap, but then he makes the jump and then a drone comes down there and comes and saves him.
Speaker 2:It starts obliterating people. It it just starts obliterating people.
Speaker 1:It doesn't really start obliterating people. What does it start doing?
Speaker 2:I don't know what does it start doing? It destroys the books because, this is a library. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I appreciated that.
Speaker 1:This I thought was very clever, because it comes down there, it doesn't really see the people, because it doesn't pursue the people. It just sees all these books and it's like I will kill the books.
Speaker 2:Because, again, it's programmed to kill humans and they're not humans, but it's also programmed to kill books, apparently. Yeah, knowledge, don't get any knowledge, tom.
Speaker 2:But of course one of the books survives and Tom just picks it up and you know nobody notices him being you know now do you think that maybe the the scabs left that one for him? No because it. Then how does morgan freeman know exactly which book it is? Oh, did he know exactly? Oh, because he, because he quotes that book later when he, when they capture him, and I was like, okay, so was that a whole? Did they give him that? And I was like, okay, so was that a whole? Did they give him that book as a clue to, maybe, your future? I don't know, it felt a little weird.
Speaker 1:That's a really stupid plot point. If they somehow planted it where they knew, he would jump and end up, and it would be the one book that survived, or maybe they have 100 copies of that book. They're down there with a printing press.
Speaker 2:Maybe that's the only book in that library now copies of that book. They're down there with a printing press.
Speaker 1:Maybe that's the only book in that library now, thousands of them, thousands of them. Okay, so his bike runs out of power, so he walks to the heli, then he goes home and takes a shower. I'm just always amazed at the lack of menace that they place on him. He is out there in this world, which I would think would be just very hostile to him, and he's just like I'm not afraid, I don't pay attention to anything. I'm sitting on, you know, like I'm chilling on this mountaintop with my little plant.
Speaker 2:It's like oh, and it's beautiful, yeah, and like that's what I like about it. But this whole time I'm thinking to myself, like why doesn't he have some sort of space suit? Why, like, the earth is supposed to be uninhabitable? Oh, no, like those are the words that they use.
Speaker 1:We want to look at him, that's. That's what we have.
Speaker 2:And I agree. That's why I said it's beautiful and I like I'm on board. But I feel like there has to be a slightly different setup. I understand the fake radiation zones are fake. We all know that. But he doesn't know that, no, and yet like he's just walking around as if it's all good in his one bubble. I was just kind of confused by it, but it's fine.
Speaker 1:But they also do this thing where he's you know perfect white suit, and then he gets dirtier and dirtier as the movie goes on. You know, as he collects, you know the truth.
Speaker 2:After five years of doing that job, he never got dirty. One time, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Takes a shower, looks at his poetry book Beautiful shower he gives. He had this little plant. Did you see him get the plant?
Speaker 2:You don't see him get the plant. You don't see him get it, I don't think, but you see him with it on the mountain, yeah.
Speaker 1:I saw that.
Speaker 2:So I assume that he took it from his secret home place. I don't know.
Speaker 1:So he has this plant. He gives it to his girlfriend, she's all like I don't want your plant. It could be toxic and kill us all.
Speaker 2:Right, okay, but he's running around without a space suit, sucking in all those toxins every day and then coming home and making sweet, sweet love to you. Those are the things that don't make sense to me.
Speaker 1:So he tells her that the scabs were trying to catch him. Then they do sexy time in the pool and they have big sexy music.
Speaker 2:What a cool pool man. It's the ultimate infinity pool, right? Because they're up, they're super high, it's crystal clear. They're seeing that it's cool man, it's really cool. Yeah, you don't like it. It's visually stunning.
Speaker 1:His relationship with her is kind of a masturbatory fantasy.
Speaker 2:Sure, which is so. I thought that she was going to be Hideous AI. Oh wait what?
Speaker 1:Well, like you know, it was all an illusion.
Speaker 2:You'd be like yeah, sure, something, because she definitely plays into that, like I'm your caretaker, let's make love, you go, do you Like? It's a weird, super weird relationship, but it's also interesting because you see her thinking about it. We never know what exactly she's feeling, which we talked about earlier, but she's definitely feeling stuff. Sure, you know what I mean. So, like it's interesting and I wish that we kind of would have figured out what was going on with her before she gets untimely demised.
Speaker 1:She is part of the manipulation, for sure.
Speaker 2:But how, On what level? You know what I mean. Like I'm curious. I'm very interested in that.
Speaker 1:We'll never know. We'll never know. He wakes up to an atomic explosion. They blew up one of the hydro rigs. Then they get this rogue signal from off planet. He also mentions that there's 10 more fuel cells floating around out there that could be blow up. More of these things Feels like a lot. The flip side of all this is if you're two weeks away from the end of a 50 year program and they're blowing up your stuff you might need later, you can just does it really matter?
Speaker 2:just leave right yeah, it's two weeks we've been doing for 50 years you know so barely an inconvenience two weeks is.
Speaker 1:Is what? 125th of a year, right 52 and 150 of the 125.
Speaker 2:I don't know how to multiply fractions, but it's small.
Speaker 1:This is a very this is not even one percent. This is like maybe 0.2 of your project and you're still out there risking it for that. You know. Maybe say well, when we get to the bottom of these oceans, there's going to be this one big fish and that's going to be the tastiest of all the fish I get that one big fish because, yeah, no, it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1:So you know, setting up the two weeks to go. You know, and once again, we don't know if that's true or if that's a lie, and then we don't find out if it's true, if that's a lie.
Speaker 2:I feel like it has to be. I agree we don't find out, but he's only been doing it for five years, right, because he got mind wiped five years ago. That means he was created five years ago, which means to me that means a different clone was doing it before. Maybe it's like every five years they cycle, I don't know, but I just I feel like it's not really over no, okay, so he.
Speaker 1:He gets this, they. They get the signal. He flies over and sees the Empire State Building mostly covered up in sand. The memory comes back. This set. I did not like this set. I thought looked really fake.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, all right, sure.
Speaker 1:He goes in there, sees the antenna the antenna's signaling to this other coordinates. He flies. Now, can you explain this to me? This is all just like a setup. They wanted him to come back there to have memories. It's just a but who the Scavs? This is a phishing.
Speaker 2:But how do they know that he has memories? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1:Well, I mean if you want me.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:They know that he keeps you know, they know that he's a clone and that they probably keep making him. So they probably have seen over the years interactions.
Speaker 2:Him gravitate towards things.
Speaker 1:Maybe he breaks down at times and does things right.
Speaker 2:Which is why they have to send in a new one every so often, maybe at times they've sent a guy out there and they're like do you remember your wife?
Speaker 1:your wife was named this and he goes. I'm conflicted. And then he goes home and then they have to shoot him in the head sure because he's conflicted. So you know, yeah, and that these are all things in a movie that I would be interested in right.
Speaker 2:You think that you're gonna get a little bit more backstory when he's talking to Morgan Freeman about like the previous iterations and why you felt that this one was different. You know, things of that nature would have been helpful.
Speaker 1:I would say his handler back at the house but he's like I'm just going to fly away into this secret spot and we find out that he has this secret cabin by a lake.
Speaker 2:He tells her that he's going off comms for a little bit, which is apparently just fine, Like it's just allowed.
Speaker 1:It's like hey, shannon, I'm leaving the house, you'll not be able to contact me, you won't know where I am. I would come home.
Speaker 2:Where are you going?
Speaker 1:punch me in the nuts, rightly so what let's?
Speaker 2:let's put this hypothesis to the test, and I would like to see this happen yeah, she'd be saying like what are you doing?
Speaker 1:why are you doing this?
Speaker 2:no, you're not, you're not, you're definitely not doing that I don't know what you think you're not. You're definitely not doing that. I don't know what you think you're going to do, but you're not doing that, yeah because we carry little phones, Just like, yeah, I'm going off grid.
Speaker 1:You're like how does that work? What?
Speaker 2:does that mean?
Speaker 1:How does flying along a thing make you disappear from the signals? I don't know Whatever.
Speaker 2:Nobody knows.
Speaker 1:So he can have this special cabin that he found and he has his record player and he plays records.
Speaker 2:Well, he built it. No, he didn't build it. He didn't find it. Yeah, he built it. That's what the guy at the end says. That's what Tech 52 says. He's like I knew he built the house somewhere because I know him, I am him, so he built it. Hold on a second.
Speaker 1:Hold on a second he found this patch of land that's beautiful and he built a cabin on it. So if there's a Dan Goodsock clone and another Dan Goodsock clone if I die the Dan Goodsock clone, who's just as cool as me he'd be able to say what I'd done. He'd be like you know where Dan Goodsock would have hid his money. He would have hid it right there and he'd just walk over and pull the money out.
Speaker 2:That's what they're saying. Yeah, because you know you start at the same point and you think like each other. And I think in a more real world setting right, you would divert more because there is more interactions. But in this world, where it's just those two and you do the same job every day, you don't really divert that much. That's my theory.
Speaker 2:I just think that knowing that a guy built a secret cabin, that's, that's a lot well, because he's like that's what I would do, but he didn't know where you know, so that's the thing he's like. I don't. It's there somewhere, I bet, because that's what I would have done dan's gold is hidden in the yard.
Speaker 1:Now we can. We just dig over here. That's where his head.
Speaker 2:Just dig the whole yard because there's's definitely gold. Dan would bury gold in the backyard. I know that, because that's what I would do.
Speaker 1:Yeah exactly. Okay, boom, boom, boom. Oh, he has one fish.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how does that work? It doesn't work well.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's a beginning and end proposition. You don't go up from there. It's a net gain zero.
Speaker 2:All right. Well, you know it's cool. I love little fishies and little puns.
Speaker 1:He sees something crash. He thinks the drones will handle it, but it turns out it's one of ours. Oh no, he sees something crash, but it's different and he realizes it's pre-war. So he goes there. He finds a dude in a pod and then some other survivors, and then this drone shows up and it starts killing them. But he protects the one that has his wife in it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Even though the drone like sees the head and doesn't shoot immediately when it sees the head.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, because it's got a Target, you know it's got to figure stuff out Slow. It's slow AI.
Speaker 1:We have the Waymo cars driving around here and you know what they don't do they don't really hesitate. They'll stop when there's something you know, they think there's a problem.
Speaker 2:In the way, but they're just like right around corners. They don in the way, but they just like right around corners. They don't care, I mean, but it was way sharper than that. Have you been in one? You've been in one, right? Yeah, dude, it's kind of intense. I'm not gonna lie to you, because they the the one thing they don't do, you are correct, like a human does is hesitate, so like if there's a gap in a car, it needs to get over.
Speaker 2:It's just like me what just happened. They're jerky, that's uh, that's how I would describe it.
Speaker 1:They're a little jerky and that's the thing is they? They analyze all the speeds and all the angles and they're gonna make they, they're not gonna miss they're gonna just like yeah, it's well, you hope not. They don't think they're gonna miss, that's for sure they certainly do not think they are confident yeah, because I saw one leaving like our grocery store parking lot and I was like behind it and it was just like and I was like I would have not done that, I would have waited for everyone to go.
Speaker 2:I'm going to take them. You all are right, because you never know what's going to happen. Yeah, no, they're very confident drivers. That's what we'll say.
Speaker 1:He takes a girlfriend back to the base. He gets a med kit. She wakes up. She's Julia. She was asleep for 60 years and she's all like. I gotta go back to my ship for my flight recorder. Do you know what's on that flight recorder?
Speaker 2:I do now. Oh, okay, Wait. What do you mean when it?
Speaker 1:happens in the movie. I did not realize, when we finally saw the flight recorder, that we were watching the flight recorder.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1:I did not put that together because it happens much later in the movie. At the very end, almost yeah, within the last 10 minutes, and you'd think the flight recorder, if it had important information like that, you would have sprung that shit on him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, information like that, she would have, like you know, sprung that shit on him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, but you, you want to slowly, you want to slowly divulge this information. Uh, victoria tries to drunk her.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, so I have. I have a question and I don't know the answer to this. Yeah, okay, I'm ready. Does vika? I'm ready. Does Vicka recognize?
Speaker 1:Julia.
Speaker 2:She tries to kill her, she tries to put her under and before Julia can say anything, she talks and she kind of is like, hey, I'm Victoria, this is whatever his name is, and we're here. And that's when the wife is like okay, that's doesn't. She's acting like she doesn't know who I am. So now I'm gonna act like I don't know who you guys are, because I don't trust her. Yeah, I just thought I found it very interesting and we never really like make a point of being like yeah, no, she knew, victoria knew vicka knew the whole time, yeah, and vicka wanted to kill her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:For sure it was going to drug her to death. We're on the same page. I was reading some stuff and people were like, oh, it's so weird that she divulges information before Julia can talk. And I was like I don't think it's weird. I think she's setting the tone because she knows I. I think she knows everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think she knows everything. True, Boop, boop, boop, Six years here, Treadrugger, they eat food and you know they sort of talk. And then Jack is like what was your mission? She's like it's classified, I need a flight recorder. And then he recaps the entire plot of the movie to her and Julia laughs Ha ha ha. That was weird, I didn't understand.
Speaker 2:Now, does he need to do this?
Speaker 1:To recap no, because we all know the plot.
Speaker 2:Because we know everything that's going on. They can have a conversation off camera about it a little bit. I don't need to watch them go through it. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Jack wonders go through it. I don't know. I don't know. Jack wonders why the drones killed their crew, and then maybe she's a scav. And then in the morning Julia puts on a sexy military uniform Don't know why. They have sexy military uniforms for her that are in black Because the future's cool. They have a whole closet filled with clothes for her that are in black Because the future's cool. They have a whole closet filled with clothes for her, full of them. Pretty weird, right, but he's also wearing some black. So I'm like, oh, For the first time.
Speaker 1:Victoria somehow oversleeps until it's completely. If I lived in a house in the sky, I couldn't wake up earlier than I normally wake up, because I'm mentally ill.
Speaker 2:But, there is no chance A normal person would wake up whenever the first sliver of light starts coming.
Speaker 1:Because that stuff would beat the hell in there and it's shown beating in on her.
Speaker 2:That's why in Alaska they get those blackout blinds For when it's sunny, for three months or whatever. The weird thing is.
Speaker 1:We have those in our curtains, those things, oh really.
Speaker 2:Do they work? Oh yeah, that might be too dark.
Speaker 1:We have those, and then we also put A foam core in the windows To keep the heat out.
Speaker 2:So the AC can be more efficient? Yeah, do you have an air conditioning?
Speaker 1:We have a little unit A little guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right, yeah sure.
Speaker 1:I don't use AC much because it gives me headaches.
Speaker 2:Air conditioning gives you headaches.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, big time.
Speaker 2:Really. Yeah, I love AC Really. If I could just have it blowing in my face the whole day, I'd be a happy camper so they're gone.
Speaker 1:Victoria calls them. I can't protect you.
Speaker 2:He's like I understand and then but that's and that's an interesting phrase, right, I can't protect you, yeah, so like to me, that's a lot of what she's doing when she's talking to the ai, yeah, and she's like we're an effective team. She's saying that because she doesn't want him to get murdered, because they don't want to have to cash him in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's true, right so like she knows some shit and I, just we needed just a little bit more, because she definitely knows some shit. We get to the crash site. It's nighttime. It was a long flight, dan, you think his radiation zone is small, but it's really big, it's like Boston North.
Speaker 1:America. There's a NASA logo. She finds a beeping device. He's caught his. Oh yeah, so the helicopter leaves. Why did the helicopter leave?
Speaker 2:Because the scavs show up. Oh, the scavs show up when he sees that he auto-sends it home so that they aren't able to steal the ship.
Speaker 1:How would they be able to steal the ship? Whatever he sends it away, I don't know, they carry him away. Oh, victoria calls them and says we need a drone. So they send a drone to go help him. They chain up Jack. And then here comes Morgan Freeman, always wearing sunglasses, in the middle of the night, in the middle of the day, always wearing sunglasses, smoking a cigar how does he still have a cigar? And he's like Because he's cool, he's like we're the scavs. Lights up, there's all these people looking at him, they're like we're humans and he's all like the drones kill humans. And then he's like why did you save Julia? And then you know, I wrote down this why are women always the duplicitous manipulators of men?
Speaker 1:there it is, I wrote that down that's what you took out of the movie that's a theme of the movie is you can't trust women because they're going to use you except for julia, his wife.
Speaker 2:She doesn't do it. I thought she was, but she wasn't, it turns out. Yeah it just.
Speaker 1:It just really happened that she came out of the sky, on pure luck, apparently no, no, no, they did it that these morgan freeman made her fall out of the sky.
Speaker 2:Right, I get that. I'm still confused on how he knew about her or that ship in general. It's all confusing.
Speaker 1:The ship went out there, and so they. He knew that he could call that years ago. They read it in a book, on a CD ROM or something but it's 50 years ago.
Speaker 2:Like how do you get in contact with a ship that's been floating for 50 years?
Speaker 1:you send a signal from the empire state building oh right, yeah, you're right, because it's so tall. I remember it's all and it's yeah it's, it has a you know it's like that's how you pointy thing on it, you're gonna kill the ghost. But you're gonna get a ghostbuster and you need the one that's you know, has the electricity in it, right.
Speaker 2:Of course.
Speaker 1:Isn't that what they did?
Speaker 2:in Ghostbusters it was something like that. Is that how they?
Speaker 1:killed V'ger or whoever it was, dom DeLuise, who was it? I don't remember yeah.
Speaker 2:Dom DeLuise. It's all confusing.
Speaker 1:Okay, so they have a drone. They want him to reprogram the drone to go up there and kill um, kill the the ai okay now why can he reprogram them?
Speaker 2:you mean the repair man?
Speaker 1:yeah, you mean, when you have the maytag man come into your house to repair your uh, your uh, your dishwasher, he can also reprogram it to like.
Speaker 2:Turn it into something completely different. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:You know and like, why would? They give him that power. They would not imprint that information into the repairman's mind. The ability to make a drone do whatever.
Speaker 2:Now you can do whatever you want to do with the drones, but make sure you do the good things, because we're giving you all the power in the world.
Speaker 1:Jack, isn't that? That's Terminator. Right, you reprogram the robot to do what you need it to do. Sure, sure Terminator.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:Okay, the drones, three drones attack and we have like a big fight. We have a big fight and they end up killing the drones. Three drones attack and we have like a big fight. Um, we have a big fight and they end up killing the drones and they say to Jack, jack, go to the radiation zone. It's all a big lie. And then they let him out and they're like here's your motorcycle, you can leave, cause, oh the good, the drone. He was supposed to know that it was the drone. He no, they Wait, was the drone you were supposed to reprogram. It didn't get damaged, did it?
Speaker 2:No, he just said. No, oh, he just said no, and they were like we're going to let you go, go learn the truth and come back once you learn it, okay, yeah. It's a trust exercise, God trustful, Trustful exactly. He rides away on his motorcycle.
Speaker 1:He runs out of gas. Then he goes back. He's able to call Vicka and then she sends his thing back to the thing. Yeah, he talks to Julia and she's like the Ted is an alien object. She's like that's impossible and she's like I'm your wife, remember, remember, remember. And she shows him the wedding ring and he remembers I wrote a full boring flashback.
Speaker 2:That's so sad. But he says I'll show you the future and then holds up the ring. It's so cute. Where's your heart, dan Goodself?
Speaker 1:His helicopter appears, and this is when I started yelling Shoot her, shoot her, shoot her.
Speaker 2:That's what I was yelling. I was yelling that, just like Jurassic Park, shoot her.
Speaker 1:Because Vicka should have used the helicopter to shoot Julia.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, that's when she was like well, it's finally happening. He found his wife, knows it's his wife and now I have to kill him does that happen? That, well, that's I like her, that she sees them like hugging, and that's when she starts like a tear wells in her eye and then they come back and she's like nah, you're out, dude, you're out yeah uh.
Speaker 1:So they get back fica's locked them out and she says it was always her. So she knows that was that's your big one. She knows the whole thing.
Speaker 2:She knows. But what does she know? How much does she know? What does she like? I want to know more about her. She's very interesting and we just skim the surface on there.
Speaker 1:So she calls in a drone Drone comes, here comes the drone Unfortunately.
Speaker 2:So she calls in a drone Drone comes, here comes the drone Unfortunately the drone kills Vicifers Because they're not an effective team anymore, and if the one that they are trusting to keep him in check is no longer effective, they just delete her, which is an interesting idea, and I want to know more.
Speaker 1:Julia uses the helicopter to shoot the drone.
Speaker 2:Now. So I am confused. Can anybody fly the helicopter? Because it seems to respond to him and his biometrics right, Like when he gets close it opens up and it talks to him. I get confused. I'm a little confused on the technology. You want me to comment on that? Yeah, comment, yeah, what do you?
Speaker 1:what do you got to say? Give it to me, stupid.
Speaker 2:She could never shoot the drone with the helicopter I thought you had a little more insight than it's stupid if vicka vicka, vicka can't control the helicopter.
Speaker 1:How can she control the helicopter?
Speaker 2:yeah, I don't know, it doesn't make any sense well, it's almost like it doesn't make any sense um okay now.
Speaker 1:So they're trying to run away. They send three drones after them. We have just this incredibly boring jay scene where they hide in.
Speaker 2:This is my least favorite scene yeah, it's my least favorite scene in the movie. I don't think we needed this at all. And then it culminates in just like your standard, oh, I'm gonna turn sideways and fly through a very skinny thing, even though me sideways is still bigger than the drone circumference you would think so doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1:You would think so. Uh, I wrote.
Speaker 2:I wrote as exciting as watching a video game well, it's funny that you say that Our boy, what is his name? Jonathan Kaczynski. Is that the director's name?
Speaker 1:Jonathan.
Speaker 2:Kaczynski, you mean Joseph, joseph Kaczynski.
Speaker 1:Sorry, everybody, not John.
Speaker 2:Kaczynski Joe Kaczynski.
Speaker 1:I thought we were talking about the Unabomber. Oh Jesus, because his name is Ted kaczynski. Okay, there's too many people with similar last names, right, you know they have the ted, they have his uh, his cabin in a giant warehouse. The fbi saved his cabin, stop it the whole cabin. You can see it online, the pictures of it.
Speaker 2:Craziest thing ever that's cool, but all messed up. It's super messed up. Let me be, let's start there, but also that's pretty cool the fbi needs to start making money, you know.
Speaker 1:So let people in.
Speaker 2:I've to do tours like block, you know, put some glass cages over stuff you don't mean to touch. But I'll go, I'll tour the shit out of that, uh, yeah, uh, what I was gonna say. It's interesting you say that because, uh, joseph kaczynski, this wonderful director who I'm obsessed with now, uh got his start doing like commercials, and two of his most famous commercials are video game commercials. One of them is for gears of war. He did the mad world, gears of which is iconic. I close my eyes, I could still watch it, it's so good. And then he did Halo 3, starry Night it doesn't matter, so good. So he started, he got his big start in CGI video game commercials. So it's exactly what it is so that makes sense.
Speaker 1:He knows how to sell stuff to adults that are actually pre-adolescent boys.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, me, yeah, yeah. He's talking right to my soul, yeah, so not talking to real human beings?
Speaker 1:Wow, like in this chase, they pass the Statue of Liberty.
Speaker 2:I didn't even notice that. Did they like point it't even notice that? Did they like point it out?
Speaker 1:Or is it kind of like we fly? By it and you're supposed to notice it, but I just didn't notice it. There's another big pass by in here that we'll talk about later Interesting. Okay, they win, but they crash in the radiation zone. He sees some smoke. He goes over a hill. He sees another hill, hallie, and then we're like I'm like, oh wow, is this another one of him?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:I didn't, I didn't know that was coming. I did think that was an interesting reveal that the radiation zone basically, basically they grid they grid out the whole world.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they grid out the whole world.
Speaker 1:And then different Jacks and Vicas work in each of these spaces doing the same job.
Speaker 2:Okay, which is interesting, and we don't again.
Speaker 1:We barely deal with it it turns out, the other thing is our Tom Cruise is going to die at the end of this one, and then this Tom Cruise that he sees over there is going to end up hooking up with his wife and his daughter.
Speaker 2:Wait, what are you saying? Not hooking up with his wife and his daughter? Wait, what are you saying? Not hooking up, sorry, not hooking up with the daughter, but like he takes over as her father.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Well, there's a thousand other Tom Cruises.
Speaker 2:Well, maybe not a thousand. We don't know what the grid is like, Dan. Well, they said a thousand. Oh, they did Okay. Well, I guess we know exactly what the grid is like, dan. Okay, well, they said a thousand.
Speaker 1:Oh, they did okay well, I guess we know exactly what the grid is like, and it's a thousand. So what's going to happen? Is this going to be like a real, real polygamous situation?
Speaker 2:a thousand.
Speaker 1:Oh boy, that's a lot that's a lot of dudes to go through well, no, because so, and this is the way I'm looking at it.
Speaker 2:Right is that tech 49 was the closest to discovering the truth. And then? So that's why morgan freeman's like oh, I'm interested in you, right, like you are, you're the one. But it turns out that he wasn't the one. The key is the wife. So seeing the wife triggers his memories, and then he becomes the human jack. And so tech 52 is the only other person that has seen her, the only other jack that has seen her. So he now also is the human jack because he has seen the wife, and that unlocks the whatever you know what I mean so as long as tech 52s her chained up in the basement so no other Jacks can find her, it's fine, it's totally fine.
Speaker 1:They face off and he just wins. What does Julia do? She just stands there like this. Well, she gets shot. Oh yeah, she ends up getting shot. They have a fist fight and she gets shot. Oh yeah, she ends up getting shot.
Speaker 2:They have a fist fight, she gets shot.
Speaker 1:Dan, if you've been shot, yes. What I want you to do with my body, tony, is I want you to drag me to a cave where there's snakes, and then I want you to leave. I want you to leave as quickly as possible.
Speaker 2:For an unspecified amount of time. I don't know how long he's gone, but he's gone for a little bit. It's weird, it's pretty weird.
Speaker 1:He flew past the Statue of Liberty right, which is pretty far Thereby, the Empire State Building. So it's from DC to New York City. I don't know how far that is.
Speaker 2:I don't know how far it is either, but it's a bit.
Speaker 1:By the way, Statue of Liberty that's in New York. Oh, so it's all New York, Well, isn't it?
Speaker 2:like Jersey.
Speaker 1:No, but it's okay, I'm not, it's no good I was thinking DC, because the other thing we see is well, because we see the Philadelphia thing.
Speaker 2:What's the? What's that tall penis ob?
Speaker 1:What's the tall?
Speaker 2:pointy building. Yeah, what is?
Speaker 1:the tall pointy building, the Empire State Building.
Speaker 2:No, no, no.
Speaker 1:It's like a monument of some sort the Transamerica Building in Seattle.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:Never mind the St Louis Arch, it's fine.
Speaker 2:No, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:They showed us another real building.
Speaker 2:I don't remember this, yeah they showed us another one and I don't remember this. Yeah, they showed us another one and I was like I recognize that, but not in a real way because I'm not cultured. You know what I mean? The Twin Towers? No, no, that would be crazy.
Speaker 1:We can finally start making Twin Towers jokes.
Speaker 2:Can we? You're just doing it. I don't know if you've been allowed to. It's the Washington monument. Oh, that was what I was looking.
Speaker 1:That's in washington um, he flies away, he goes to tower 52, the guy who, oh, he's tied up 52, so 52 is there tied up? Yeah there's a very terrible job. 52 is free with.
Speaker 2:It's pretty loose, yeah, yeah, he'd be fine. He's just taking a time out. You know what I mean, like he's tired, he's embarrassed, he got beat by himself, he might have gone and had sex with Julia so that baby might be his Jesus. What a twist that would be. He didn't know, but this is my child. Oh god, I'm gonna think about it. You already thought about it. This was your idea.
Speaker 1:He comes in hot. There's Vicka, and then he's all like let's go down to the surface. And she's like regulation. And then what did I write? Really big Shoot the clone. Why didn't they just kill her?
Speaker 2:Because he does care for her and he was testing her. He was like are you all the same? And it turns out they were all the same and he's very sad about, Because I think this is the point where he's solidifying that they are all in on it.
Speaker 1:He's got a shooter in the leg and then, as she's bleeding out, he sticks his finger in the wound and extracts information.
Speaker 2:He could do that so much easier. He doesn't have to torture her, dan, she loves him. Just play on that, play on the love. You know what I mean? Jesus, he tried.
Speaker 1:He tried that. He's like let's go down to the surface. I want to show you something. She's like no Regulations. She's proven herself to be a company person.
Speaker 2:He needs to shoot her in the leg, which is why he leaves Finger in the hole. He knows that they'll kill her.
Speaker 1:It's fine, gotta stick that, stick into Rhino's Port.
Speaker 2:Twist it in the side.
Speaker 1:Summon the wildebeest. So stupid. Okay, he goes and takes Julia to his hideout, because I guess he gotta. Why doesn't he have a first aid kit at his hideout? He could have just taken her there in the first place. I think they only have one In each place, so she would know.
Speaker 2:But why doesn't he have a first aid kit at his hideout? He could have just taken her there in the first place. I think they only have one in each place, so she would know. She'd be like hey, where's the med kit? It's missing. We only have one healing kit and you took it.
Speaker 1:Hold on a second. They have a full sick bay in the house. Why doesn't they have a med kit on the goddamn helicopter? Yeah, just no, just no. They only have the one in the house, because you got to go home before you can get healed, you know. So he leaves her at the hideout. What's the first thing she does when she?
Speaker 2:wakes up and is feeling better. I don't remember what is it Smells his hat. Yeah, oh, gross Listen, I have a lot of hats.
Speaker 1:I have a problem, do they?
Speaker 2:get stinky, they get stinky Wow. My hats don't get stinky, Especially if you're wearing them for work. You know what I mean. Like I have different hats, so here's what I'll tell you.
Speaker 1:I have different hats okay, and I have my fancy hats that I'll wear when I Tony wears different hats.
Speaker 2:I wear like, like my nice hats for like days I need to dress up and look good and they are clean and they're barely worn, they're very sharp, they look brand new. I have my regular work hats which are just like daily use and they're a little grungy but they're not bad. They're like hats that you look and you're like, okay, yeah, this guy's, you know, seen a few days. And then I have my work work hats where it's like I'm going to be sweating in the sun for 10 to 12 hours, we're going to be doing manual labor, I'm going to wear that hat, those hats stink and that he's got one hat. From what I've seen, this guy's had one hat for five years that had stinks.
Speaker 1:I'm going to tell you right now the cabin built like a cabin outdoors like a weird, you know like weird windmill that goes the other direction.
Speaker 2:Right Forged that steel. Yeah, it's good stuff. Yeah, that had smells.
Speaker 1:So if he comes back to Vika, he would stink like a pig.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she'd be like. Why do you smell like things? I've never smelled which is outdoors by the way, she's never smelled outdoors.
Speaker 1:She's never smelled outdoors.
Speaker 2:She's never smelled outdoors, but it's there, oh God.
Speaker 1:Okay, no one ever smells my hat. No one ever smells my hat, shannon doesn't. I smell my own hat sometimes. Shannon doesn't smell my hat, toss them.
Speaker 2:Every once in a while you got to toss them. I haven't found an effective way of washing hats. I haven't found an effective way of washing hats Because it's cardboard. That's my biggest problem. Exactly so they used to have. I don't know if you've ever seen those. Back in the day they did those metal cages that you could put it, so it holds its structure.
Speaker 1:That's bullshit, it don't work, stupid. And then she says you said you'd build me a house on the lake. Then they get it on, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they get it on.
Speaker 1:It's PG-13, though, but they get it on, yeah, but the pool where they, that's true.
Speaker 2:Earlier, they did show some real getting on You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1:Okay, wait, we got to take a pause from the whole show. Oh okay, we're having a serious discussion. You show, oh okay, a serious discussion. You're young, right? Ish?
Speaker 2:Me Not really, but I appreciate it.
Speaker 1:You're closer to youth than me. Okay, yeah, we used to have erotic thrillers. We used to have Sharon Stone crossing her legs and doing all sorts of dirty. Not allowed anymore.
Speaker 2:Correct. Why is that Because everyone's very sensitive now and it's just it's not needed, right, it's not needed. Why is it not needed? I don't know I need it. I love a good lovemaking scene. Fifty Shades of Grey me. You know what I mean. I mean that movie's terrible.
Speaker 1:That was not good lovemaking. It's so bad, that's the worst ever it's so un-erotic.
Speaker 2:Remember when I talked about that Madonna-Willem Dafoe movie? Oh yeah, Now that's a movie you're going to want to watch. If you haven't watched it, you're going to want to go watch it. I don't know. Do you have a real answer for why we're not allowed to make love anymore?
Speaker 1:I, it's the young people. I think hollywood knows that young people don't want to see it because your stupid twisters movie.
Speaker 2:Like, did they even kiss in that movie? No, I mean, I know you love it. Nothing went on. Let's break. Let's you know what? Let's take a pause and talk about twisters, because there's a, there's a big backlash that don't even kiss at the end of the movie. The movie is not about them, you sons of bitches. The movie is a love story between her and the tornadoes, not Glenn Powell. That's a side story. She falls back in love with her work. This is not a movie about them, it's a movie about her. You're watching the movie completely wrong. They shouldn't kiss.
Speaker 1:Why don't we have a sexy scene between her and the tornado?
Speaker 2:Now, that is a thing I would watch this shit Like she's in the truck right and the truck's getting kind of tossed around.
Speaker 1:You're so weird. Okay.
Speaker 2:You started it, God. You're baiting me into these things and just turning it on me.
Speaker 1:He suits up, he leaves, he goes to see the scavs. They talk a lot more. They talk about how it all began with a thousand. Jack Harpers came and they were programmed to kill. That's the thing that made no sense to me.
Speaker 2:What is that? You know what I'm going to throw?
Speaker 1:one grenade into the thousand Jack Harpers and they're all going to die.
Speaker 2:No, sir, because they're trained. I'm going to catch that grenade, throw it right back at you. Or I'll take a tennis racket. Knock it right back at you, Because the first wave was the attack. Because they tell the story earlier, it's like they came and they invaded, but the invasion was actually all Jack Harper's which is, I think, interesting.
Speaker 1:It says there were thousands of them Like what are they doing? Are they in? I guess they're in little ships or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, little tiny ships and they're landing in their little helicopters.
Speaker 1:He made it sound like, oh, they were Jack Harpers. And everyone was like you're Jack Harper, we'll do. You know, we're not going to fight against you. And then he's like oh, well, there you go bang bang bang mows him down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, scarface style.
Speaker 1:Okay, good stuff so 50 years ago the hydro rig started sucking the planet dry, and then he saw him read a book and he came up with a plan. And then he's like okay, I'll do it, welcome back, commander. He goes boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. And then what do they do after he does that?
Speaker 2:Tony, I don't know what do you mean. They put it on a little tractor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they mount it on a tractor.
Speaker 2:And then slowly drive it outside.
Speaker 1:Explain to me how the drones work. Explain to me how the drones work. Do they land on a little tractor and then they tractor around, or do they just fly freely any place they want to go?
Speaker 2:No, well, the normal ones do Not. The new programming that he put in. You see, the new programming makes it so it can't fly freely. It's a direct line of sight type of deal. So he's got to bring it to the right coordinate and then it just shoots in a straight line. It's all scientific.
Speaker 1:So three drones attack, and this is where we get. It's always three, it's always three. They come in threes Because it's a magic number. Well, triangle, three sides of a triangle.
Speaker 2:Oh sure, so it's a strategy.
Speaker 1:Triangle strategy, that's a video game In the course of this, when these are flying around shooting everyone, what do we see? We see the Liberty Bell.
Speaker 2:Oh, Packed away in the back. There was a crack in it.
Speaker 1:huh Packed away in the back I see this bell and I'm like that's the Liberty Bell.
Speaker 2:That's it. That's it. That's the one they brought it up from.
Speaker 1:Philadelphia, because you know who cares about living and food. We better save the.
Speaker 2:Liberty Bell.
Speaker 1:Do you think that someone just like put it on?
Speaker 2:their drone would just pass by and be like oh, it's the Liberty Bell.
Speaker 1:That's not a scav.
Speaker 2:See, it's a perfect disguise. These humans are genius, okay.
Speaker 1:So, boom, that's the thing. They can't send the drone. The drone got broken. So Jack's like well, they wanted me to return Julia's body body.
Speaker 2:Put julia in the pod and I'll fly her up there which is a sentiment I really like because it's a love story, right. So like, I love this romeo and juliet type ending super rushed and they don't take the time to like make it make any sense, because he would have to have multiple conversations with them before he went up and he's like okay, you know what we give up. I apologize, I'm bringing her up and I'm turning myself in. You know, like something of that nature has happened, because he is fighting these machines. They've sent drones to kill him several times. Now If he flies at them, they're're just gonna blow him out of the sky. They're already trying to kill him. They have a thousand other jacks in pods on the ship. He flies right by him. They don't need him, dan.
Speaker 1:So anyhow, it's almost like he maybe would have to go and find one of the vickas and convince her to go up there sure, yeah, I mean something.
Speaker 2:I mean I don't, I don't mind it being the wife, right like because they want julia dead. So if he's like, I'll bring her up, but I'm coming with her right like we're. We're doing this together, some I don't know something, but it's just just flying out there and it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1:So while he's flying there, they play the flight recorder for some reason. Finally right, and we see that what happened was he was sent out there to engage the tet. The tet started, yeah, uh, sucking him in with the tractor beaming him in. So he like it was just him and vicka the other, everyone else was in frozen in time, you know, like in stasis cryo sleep for some reason, I don't know why.
Speaker 2:So he cuts? Because it takes a long time to get there cuts them loose and so their thing escapes.
Speaker 1:But they're sucked in and then they, you know they basically become the clone army. That is they they use against earth because you know it's better to you have drones that can do anything you want, but it's growing a human being that's never dealt with. Any of these drones is better yeah, it's better, you said it. Remember bubblegum she lets him in, he flies past all the clones. You know, that's one another thing. You leave all the clone growing things out there where you have to fly past them.
Speaker 2:You know, yeah, yeah, because it's very what is it? Matrix style. They just want you to see that they're harvesting humans.
Speaker 1:And he just flies in there. And it turns out he did bring the wife, he brought Morgan Freeman, morgan.
Speaker 2:Freeman, which they told you he was going to do like an hour ago. Oh, did they? Well, yeah, because, morgan Freeman, I wish I could see the look on her face when this thing shows up. And he's like, well, that would be a one way trip, morgan Freeman. Morgan Freeman's like, yeah, I know. And then it's like okay, well, that's how the movie's going to end.
Speaker 1:See, that's the. I missed all of that.
Speaker 2:There's a way to do that more subtle, like if he just says the one line, it's fine, but then tom cruise like is like well, that would be a one-way trip, so you probably shouldn't want to do that. And then morphe was like I'm ready for it, it's cool if it happened, if it happens, but it probably won't happen. But if it happens, it's like it just just drop the one line, just be like. I wish I could see the look on her face when they did that. And that's not a dead giveaway, it's a hint, but it doesn't make me think like yeah, that's for sure going to happen. That's 100% how this movie ends. I don't know. They blow it up, which you know. They throw out their one F-bomb which I did enjoy.
Speaker 2:Fuck you, Sally.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which I did enjoy Fuck you, sally, yeah, it's good, you're like no, it's a good moment, it was not good, come on.
Speaker 2:It's classic Tom Cruise moment right there. That's a 10 out of 10. So terrible.
Speaker 1:So it turns out that he brought Morgan Freeman, left Julian at home. Fuck you, oh, I did write it. Fuck you, Sally Boom. Oh see.
Speaker 2:Yeah, looks up and I wrote down. I'm bored. Oh, that's so interesting when, uh, this explosion, when they cut to earth. Oh, it's so beautiful, it's pretty, it's such a beautiful shot.
Speaker 1:Did you ever watch that science fiction movie?
Speaker 2:the creator no, I have not watched the creator yet, but it's on my list, you should watch it it's. It's equivalently good looking like this movie and it's it and and completely shot on fx6s and everyone's crazy about it. Yeah, it's, it's because it's a consumer camera, just so you know well yeah, yeah, very good.
Speaker 2:Or I guess I think they call it prosumer because it's the midway point between consumer and professional, but it's like a relatively affordable camera and everyone's like how did they do it? And the answer is money. Guys, like it's cgi, like they have a lot of money to work on it in post, idiots anyhow sorry and oh, and we'd set up this ncyf, was it christina in the field?
Speaker 1:and so then, now that christina in the field painting is at his cabin and jack number 52 has been searching for her for three years, finds the secret hideout. And there there is julia with the daughter. Um, I'm assuming that if they survive for three years they must have eaten that fish just the one fish?
Speaker 1:yeah, as far as I can tell rationing that one fish they used to be they used to be these reality shows where they would put some people back into what it would have been like in revolutionary times. You know at the run of farm and do all these things. Yeah, if you didn't have a wife, you would die, because there is Same thing today, just for the record. That is very true. There is so much work that has to be done one human being just. You know how did she give birth to that baby? By herself. That.
Speaker 2:I mean incredible stuff, even in the future.
Speaker 1:Maybe she still has a med kit she just med kitted up so she did have a med kit I would have. I mean she just he left her with the med kit, so she did have a med.
Speaker 2:I would have liked dan a good movie me too well, I mean I would have liked a slightly better story. Like I, I, everything about this movie is a 10 out of 10, other than the the plot right, which is it brings it down, I'll agree. It's like a 7 out of ten for me.
Speaker 2:I will re-watch it at some point because I do enjoy it and there's some moments that I really like, but I would have liked him to eat something. Uh, I know that sounds stupid, but when he's when he goes to his secret hideaway, I would have loved for him to be growing something. That would have made a lot of sense if you're gonna leave, right.
Speaker 1:If you're gonna leave her there for three years, you should sort of set her up a little bit well, just a little, maybe just a touch, I don't know.
Speaker 2:So I, I would have loved that moment, but we didn't get.
Speaker 1:It cracks open a pantry where he's got a bunch of potatoes and vegetables and things that he's been you know, yeah, great bunch of jars. You know, we, we, we pan across the pantry full of jars, of things that he's pickled and because you know you put stuff in jars and people know how to do that. My in-laws pickle everything, everything and that stuff can last a long time, right, can it last years, 100% yeah. That would have been nice.
Speaker 2:But it didn't happen.
Speaker 1:Tony, tell us about something you liked in addition to this this week.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I mean, I really did enjoy this, dan Idiot, I finally. That's so rude, but true, we haven't. This is just a trailer for something that's going to happen, which is the thing that I enjoyed the most this week. The official Suits LA trailer has dropped, starring Stephen Amell.
Speaker 1:We saw Billboard for it. I was like we saw Billboard.
Speaker 2:Good for them. That's going to fail. I am very worried. I will be completely honest. I am so very worried that you are correct, but I'm hoping you're wrong. The trailer looks good.
Speaker 2:Oh dear, that's not a good sign. It didn't look great, but it looked good. He looks great, I'll say. I'll say steven amell is born to play a cocky asshole and I he's gonna be great. I'm not sold on the premise I. Did you ever watch the original suits? It's like this. It's like a hook premise where you have the lawyer, Harvey, and then Mike comes in and is not a lawyer, but he has an eidetic memory or whatever super smart or something and he fakes his way as being a lawyer.
Speaker 1:Oh, maybe I watched one and that's the premise of the show.
Speaker 2:It was okay, you can't, it was fine yeah yeah, yeah, no, I mean we think it's super fun, right, it's a USA show, so it's of that ilk. You can't just redo that premise, right, and they're not. So like this one just seems like a lawyer show, sure, like it doesn't have the whole mystery element to it, so like what's going to keep me watching? I don't know, I'm very nervous, but I love Stephen Amell and I'm going to watch it and he looks beautiful.
Speaker 1:I watched a couple of. I watched two or three episodes of the Caitlin Olsen her, thing, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's called uh. Why can't I think of the name of her show? We watch it every week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we love it. She definitely elevates the whole thing.
Speaker 2:I also love the detective, the main detective. He's fine. Yeah, he's good. High potential, high potential. I had to look it up. I'm embarrassed, but yeah, high potential, we watch that we love it.
Speaker 1:She sells the emotions. You buy the family thing. She's great, she's-.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't love her famous husband from SNL. What's his name, is it?
Speaker 1:Colin Jost, who's married to. Scar Jo what are you talking about? Is he on the show?
Speaker 2:isn't he the husband? Who's the husband? I don't know who that guy is, just a dude. Looks kind of like you. No, he's from SNL, he's not. You're right, it's not Colin Jost.
Speaker 1:Yeah, come on, he was Hold on I got to look this up.
Speaker 2:Hold on, I've seen him before.
Speaker 1:Tony smoking crack. Tony Tony smoking crack, smoking crack, he's smoking crack.
Speaker 2:I can't. I got nothing. Yeah, because you're wrong, you're wrong, we're all going to say this Anyhow you keep my favorite thing yeah you keep going.
Speaker 1:All the SNL stuff that's going on. I watched some of the concert thing Pretty fun, lots of people being interviewed. And then there was this great story where um, I guess lauren michael, I guess they wanted to do a. They wanted to do a sketch about um taylor swift about like her fans or something.
Speaker 1:And so they called taylor swift and said you know, do you want to come in and do it? It would be fun. And then she got on the phone to lauren and said to him no, and I, I think you should drop this sketch, I don't think you should do this.
Speaker 1:She said that to him, okay, and he said very specifically, I don't negotiate with terrorists and then they did the sketch and then, um, she sent him like roses or something and a big apology Because it was fun. Whatever, it doesn't matter. The point being is, we need people like that now that are just willing to stand up there and be like I'm going to do my.
Speaker 2:Look, I don't give a shit what you say to me he's gone through his thing.
Speaker 1:If NBC wants to fire him because he goes too far, you know like he doesn't, he doesn't care, because he's going to do his thing, because they've always done their thing. And you know I've always. You know you you call a little bit into question the comedic choices, but you know it's, it's a lot of choices that have to be made constantly. They're not necessarily the choices I would make.
Speaker 1:But then again, I make you know my comedic choices are what I, what I care about. So, but that's, that's the way to run a ship and just be like no, it's not happening. I, I'm not pulling a sketch, because it might hurt your feelings, because we are here to hurt everybody's feelings.
Speaker 2:On that note, have you seen Saturday Night yet that movie? No, we liked it. We thought it was very fun. There you go. It reminded us a lot of Studio 60, if you remember that show.
Speaker 1:That show was fun. That was a good show. Yeah, great show.
Speaker 2:Anyhow. So that's another thing. If you remember that show, that show was fun, that was a good show, yeah, great show Anyhow, yeah, so that's another thing, that's a bonus, like from this week we enjoyed that movie.
Speaker 1:I don't like fictionalized accounts of real things typically. I've talked to you about that.
Speaker 2:Oh, you might not like because it's not as fictional as you might want. You know what I mean. Yeah, there's quite a bit of nonfiction in it.
Speaker 1:I saw a clip from it and it was like the sort of I think it was the introduction of John Belushi and John Belushi was doing some sort of radio bit. Maybe it was from the.
Speaker 2:National Lampoon thing.
Speaker 1:And all the people were like oh, this is the funniest thing, and he's doing this bit and the bit was just it was a dog and they were loving it and I was like well is it really supposed to be a dog, or is that really what was funny back then?
Speaker 2:I. I think that's really what was funny back then, because I took, I mean I told, you.
Speaker 1:We watched the steve martin uh documentary and shannon like she had to bow out because he was so not funny because it was a culture. It, it was a cultural touch point where it worked. Oh yeah, and now through that, through the lens, you know certainly a lot of things you did on Saturday night live were funny, but you watch old Saturday night lives and they can there's so many sketches that are so painful.
Speaker 2:After we watched Saturday night the movie, we were like we should watch the first episode, because the movie is the, the buildup to the first episode, like it's the that night it's like the two or three hours before they go live, and I mean it's weak, rough, right, Like it's rough. Other than Chevy, oh really Chevy doing weekend update was was always funny that was the.
Speaker 1:Thing.
Speaker 2:And I get like you watch it and you're like I get it. I get why he is the way he is, and like I probably would have felt the same way too, like I'm the best one here, like what's going on.
Speaker 1:I'm doing the hard work. It's interesting. Okay, it's very interesting. I've never heard anyone say that before, but that makes perfect sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, wouldn't even say that before, but that makes perfect sense Because the media was all fawning over him and not over everybody else. And rightly so, Although I will say, in Saturday Night Dylan O'Brien plays Dan Aykroyd and it's incredible.
Speaker 1:Dan Aykroyd did a lot of the heavy lifting in those early years Like a lot of it, for sure, and they also Seth had on Bill Murray Murray and Bill Murray said that when he came in he came in the second season they'd written three sketches for him for that first show and he killed with all those and then nobody wrote for him anymore and so he was super hot out of the gate and then just was like Interesting.
Speaker 1:So there's. You know, I'm sure if you watch that whole first season, second season, third season, you'd see a lot of things. That that's so interesting.
Speaker 2:I wonder why. I wonder why they were just like all right, no, fuck this guy you know, you know how it is. There's a, there's a lot of those people are all crazy, especially if he comes out and kills. It's like no, who's this guy coming out? I don't know. It's all political and that's what he said.
Speaker 1:You know who knows.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I can see that being the case he still feels that way 50 years later. So there's some amount of truth in it.
Speaker 1:It still stings him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it will sting forever, sir, uh-huh.
Speaker 1:Tony, we need a movie for next week. That's bad.
Speaker 2:Wait before we get there. Dan, his name is Taron Killiam. Kill him, Taron Killiam, Wait a second From Saturday Night. Live, that's who plays the dad, boyfriend, dad type character.
Speaker 1:That they hired as the new Manny, that dude, that's Taron Killam.
Speaker 2:That's Taron Killam. I was like I know, I know him. I just didn't. I had the name wrong.
Speaker 1:I would have never, guessed that in a million he does not look great.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, for sure, Anyhow, alright, now let's move on Next week, we sure, anyhow, all right, now let's move moving on. Next week we have a movie to watch groundling terran kiln. Oh, of course, of course of course.
Speaker 2:Okay, tony, here's where the movie for next week we are gonna watch a brand new movie, brand new this week. I don't know, it might have come to theaters. It's also on streaming, that's all I know. Uh, and it it's the directorial return of Mel Gibson. What are you talking about? I'm so glad you haven't seen anything about this yet. I don't even know what you're talking about it's starring Mark Wahlberg wearing some sort of a bald cap.
Speaker 2:And it's called Flight Risk and it's going to be great. Is it a comedy? No, it's not a comedy at all. It's called flight risk. It's going to be great. Is it a comedy? No, it's not a comedy at all. It's a drama. It's it's he like hijacks a plane with a prisoner on. I'm not totally sure what it's about but it looks high drama.
Speaker 2:The critics aren't loving it. 29%, which isn't terrible, but it's not great. But I just it's Mel Gibson and Mark Wahlberg I got to see it. I got to see this movie.
Speaker 1:I'm going to make a prediction?
Speaker 2:Okay, I would love to hear this.
Speaker 1:This is not going to get a 10 out of 10 from you on acting.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's probably a safe bet.
Speaker 1:This is not going to get a 10 out of 10 for visuals and I do not think it's going to get a 10 out of 10 for the music.
Speaker 2:I don't think you're going to run out and buy this soundtrack We'll see, dan, you never know, this could surprise us all. This could be the greatest film ever made.
Speaker 1:What's it?
Speaker 2:called Flight Risk. It's called Flight Risk. And it's going to be on. It's only for sale on Vudu, so that's where we'll be Okay, so Flight Risk next week oh.
Speaker 1:I'm terrified.
Speaker 2:I'm going to be like. I think it's going to be really good.
Speaker 1:Can I go back to Tom Cruise in the world of Oblivion? Because?
Speaker 2:at least it was. You're going to love Oblivion At least it was pretty. After you watch this movie, you're going to think Oblivion was a masterpiece At least there was that cool fish in the pond. One good fish, that's all you need One good fish.
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