Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
Hate Watching Trap
Ever tried a Kool-Aid pickle? We kick off this unexpectedly wild ride with some strange culinary adventures that will tickle your taste buds and your funny bone. Join us as we wade through the colorful waters of bizarre food trends, before diving into a lively debate: are movies still the reigning American art form, or have video games stolen the spotlight? Our personal tales of creating a quirky Mr. Toast app, marked by a year of creativity and financial hiccups, add a nostalgic touch to our chat about passion projects and their unpredictable journeys.
Shifting gears, we get caught up in the peculiar world of M. Night Shyamalan's latest brain-bender, "Trap." With Josh Hartnett in the spotlight, we unravel a film that mixes serial killers with concert chaos, leaving us scratching our heads at its odd twists and turns. From TV throwbacks with "Head of the Class" to dissecting the movie’s quirks—like Shyamalan’s daughter rocking the stage as Lady Raven—we critique its narrative puzzles and ponder if the lack of a typical twist is the twist itself. Our analysis keeps the conversation rolling, questioning everything from the killer's tactics to the eyebrow-raising role of social media.
As the episode winds down, we lighten the mood with some holiday cheer and a touch of nostalgia. Picture a sitcom set in a Christmas store or get hyped for "Finding Mr. Christmas"—a reality show that’s as heartwarming as a holiday movie. Sprinkled with a dash of laughter, our chatter about past cinematic gems like "Dungeons and Dragons" and a thrilling Kim Basinger classic keeps the spirit of entertainment alive. Whether it's pondering Josh Hartnett's character arc or teasing our upcoming episode on "Pool Boy," we promise more humor and intriguing discussions are on the horizon.
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I'm just hearing about Kool-Aid pickles.
Speaker 2:What the fuck is a Kool-Aid pickle?
Speaker 1:I think it's pickles they make with Kool-Aid, you know.
Speaker 2:But that's not a thing. But that's not a thing.
Speaker 1:You can't say I assume I'm just telling you about this. It's right here on the internet. It's Kool-Aid pickles.
Speaker 2:Kool-Aid pickles. I'm going to look up Kool-Aid pickles right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you damn right, you are who ate pickles. Yeah.
Speaker 2:What the fuck? They're bright red. Why would anyone do this?
Speaker 1:Welcome to Hate Watching with Dan and tony I'm I'm grandpa dad and I'm youthful tony, that's a lie I can't even say that with a straight face on this show we talk about the great american art form, the movie which actually it is the great american art form. Is it still in?
Speaker 2:2024. I feel like it's dying what do you think? I feel like we're we're witnessing the beginning of the end, and in five years it'll be something different so you think the great american art form is going to be the video game? Well, if it is, I'm here for I'm way ahead of the game, then you know I'm already in it. Is this your? Is that your first person shooter game? I think that would sell pretty well. Just fart noises while you're firing a gun. People will buy it Fart gun, people will buy it.
Speaker 1:We should do a shooter called Fart Gun.
Speaker 2:Done, done and done. We already sold it, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1:I already made a video game and lost the most money on it of anything I've ever done, most time and money that I've ever lost on anything I've ever done in my life. Is that true? Oh yeah, oh God. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So were you selling it? Were you selling the game? Yeah, Was it an app like a phone game?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was a Mr Toast app, because I remember I had it.
Speaker 2:I don't have it anymore because it's not listed.
Speaker 1:So I got a new phone and and it went away and I was very sad because the way that works is you have to, you have to be a real company that can continually make your thing available you know, every every six months you have to, you know, redo it and then sometimes I actually didn't know that switch platforms and like, like.
Speaker 2:At a certain point, if you turned on the game, it would just be on half the screen right, yeah, because all your specs change with all of your, your ice cream upgrades or whatever the hell they call the Android operating system, the OS, as it were.
Speaker 1:Don't think I made even a dollar on the game. Don't think I even made a dollar.
Speaker 2:What did you sell it for? I don't remember A dollar. Well then, you oh, I mean somebody made a dollar because I bought it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think you and my buddy Dove were like the two people that bought it, so maybe there's 50 cents out there in the ether floating around.
Speaker 2:Just sitting in a bank account somewhere, sitting in some big fat bank account. Now how long would you say it took you?
Speaker 1:Did we work on? I worked, see, I worked with a developer and I had to pay him, okay, and we worked on it for a year, year and a half I think now, I don't want to be a you know a back.
Speaker 2:What is it? A monday morning quarterback, or or just a dick in general. The game was basically a side scrolling dodge game. Yeah, that took you a year that took the developer a year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got it. You had to do. You had so many because there were some, there were power-ups multiple different power-ups. There was different animations for each thing that he hit. There was just, there was just an endless amount of I mean, the amount of art that I had to create, for it was just well for sure, I mean, you would have had to do way more work.
Speaker 2:not no offense to coders, but I feel like your job was way harder than his he's just writing lines of code. Baby, that's just a cyclical. I mean come on Anyhow, it doesn't matter. It was fun, I had a good time with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was a good game. It was a great game, it was a great experience, but, yeah, it was of all the but never again. No, you just, we're talking about movies. Okay, back to movies.
Speaker 2:I think people will love that conversation A little peek inside your life, dan yeah it's interesting A point from last week Robin Givens.
Speaker 1:She was on the show Head of the Class, which I actually said Head of the Class. She was not on the Lisa Bonet Different. Worlds class class she was on head of the class, which was howard hessman from wkrp in cincinnati, as a teacher of a bunch of gifted kids, including dan schneider, thought you're gonna say good, sell, uh okay you know, dan schneider is from like our dan schneider or a different dan schneider did we know a dan schneider.
Speaker 1:No, dan schneider was the guy who went on to be like the big guy at Nickelodeon and then got into all sorts of trouble.
Speaker 2:Oh the bad guy, oh the bad guy, the bad. Dan Schneider, I see the bad man, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:Got it. So she has some pedigree on that. So that was Robert Gibbons.
Speaker 2:Okay, got it you were close.
Speaker 1:You were in the ballpark. I actually said the show that she was on.
Speaker 2:You said the right name meant it is a different show. I mean you know it was all you were in the ballpark.
Speaker 1:But this week we're talking about a different movie, a brand new movie the latest M Night, shyamalan Jam T-R-A-P. Trap, trap. It's a trap Hour and 40 Seconds Spinners, year 2024, starring Josh Hardenet, the slightly bloated, more adultish Josh Hardenet.
Speaker 2:Don't you dare call him bloated. He's not bloated, he filled out. I bet if he took off his shirt he'd still look good. Oh, he does take off his shirt.
Speaker 1:He does take off his shirt. Why does he?
Speaker 2:take off his shirt.
Speaker 1:No one knows. Just like most things in this movie Because he doesn't want to get his shirt dirty when he murders her.
Speaker 2:Come on, Dan. Weren't you watching this movie?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He doesn't want to get his shirt dirty.
Speaker 1:I can't wait. We got a lot to talk about. I'm excited.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because he's OCD. He likes cleanliness and she just told him the way she found out who he was is because of the cleaning scent on his clothes when he comes home. So now he's taking his shirt off so that doesn't happen. He's learning and evolving as the movie goes oh, is that what happens.
Speaker 1:He learns, it evolves as the movie.
Speaker 2:That's what this, so people misunderstand this movie I think do they is this a good movie? No, okay, is this an interesting movie? Yes, is it. Is it something I've never seen before? I think so. Josh hartnett. First of all, let me just say before, before we get too far into this thing, josh hartnett is amazing in this movie. He is so good and I just, I just hope it. It gets more work, for you know, let's get him back in the mainstream so he doesn't have to do weird things like this movie.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, okay, m Night Shyamalan knows how to shoot a movie, right?
Speaker 2:So it looks like a movie Does he Sort of? I mean it's there's some interesting things in this movie, where it feels like he's taking some chances and he's like you know what might be cool, and then I didn't think it was cool he makes?
Speaker 1:he makes a bunch of weird choices. This is what tony's saying, but he he understands what you know lighting cameras, people sure he understands all that stuff. So so you're like okay, this is a, this movie feels slick, like top to bottom slick, you know. It's like yeah, if he wants you to see something, you're gonna see it, blah, blah, blah. Like, okay, this movie feels slick.
Speaker 2:Top to bottom slick.
Speaker 1:It's like if he wants you to see something, you're going to see it. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Lots of spoilers. The premise of the movie is he's a serial killer and they've gotten this clue that he's going to be at the stadium for this concert. And then they have some basic information about him being probably a white male, maybe has a tattoo on his wrist.
Speaker 2:From a profile.
Speaker 1:Yes, because people have gotten away and there's some camera footage.
Speaker 2:But here's where I get a little confused.
Speaker 1:Yes. There was a list of different types of men, because they have footage of like some area where there were like five or five people passed through this area and they they're pretty sure he's one of them, but they they are pretty sure he has a tattoo on his arm like that.
Speaker 2:Well, that level of detail feels stranger than being like he might be black, he might be white, he might be fat, like it was a little weird and he definitely has a tattoo on the arm of a frog and it is the littlest tattoo that you're like. It's like this big someone has to be right here to see what that is. I don't know.
Speaker 1:It's a little weird when they, when they mention it and they say frog tattoo, you're like oh wow, he's gonna roll up his arm, there's gonna be, there's going to be this motherfucking frog on there. There's just like this little thing on his wing right here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I couldn't even. I'm watching on a 65-inch television.
Speaker 1:I'm still like is that a frog? I can't tell what that little tiny tattoo is If they hadn't told us it was a frog, we might not think it was a frog no. It would be like it's a little character of some sort. So they know he's going to be in here, so they let him go in there. But while he's going in there, they have thousands of cops everywhere that he sees instantaneously protecting the thing, as opposed to there are no cops and he goes in.
Speaker 1:And then as soon as the concert starts, we see all these cops. For some reason, they let him instantly see that there's all these cops.
Speaker 2:Right, because again, it's called Trap, so it should feel more like a trap. My biggest problem with this movie is a lack of tension. It's coming from all sorts of directions. But my two biggest things is it doesn't feel like a trap and this is going to sound stupid. It feels like a setup. It doesn't feel like a trap. As the trap is sprung, I should feel tension as he's starting to be like what the hell is going on. He shouldn't, right away at the beginning of the movie, be like wow, there's a lot of cops here. This is probably bad news. I better go find out what's happening. That's not how a trap works.
Speaker 2:A trap works is like he's in spot and then things should feel like they're closing in the whole movie.
Speaker 1:It doesn't feel that way, and that's the other thing is he just goes and figures out instantly what's happening.
Speaker 2:You know he knows of everything he finds all the information.
Speaker 1:There are two movies, I'm sure, which neither of you have seen. The first is called the Big Clock, which is the same sort of movie. This guy's, I think he kills somebody and he's trapped in this building and he's trying to figure out. You know that everyone's out to get him, but they're not sure exactly who he is Right. And we see him go through it as he gets you know. And then the other one is Kevin Costner in no Way Out.
Speaker 2:I have seen no Way Out which is. It's Costner baby.
Speaker 1:It's a 10 out of 10. It is Costner in his greatest great movie and we see, because he's like looking for, he's the guy looking for himself, yeah, and you know he's just trying to slip because he's like a Russian agent, whatever. Yeah, this movie you don't. And in both of those movies you feel the tension, you know, as they realize there is less and less room for them to maneuver.
Speaker 2:That's what it should feel. Everything should close in and the panic should set in.
Speaker 1:It's not what this movie is about, he should feel it, everything should close in and the panic should set in. It's not what this movie's about. He never panics. He's always just like, well, I could figure out this, and then he figures out this, and then he goes hmm, I figured that out and you're like. It's like a writer who already knows what the end of the book is and he's just worked his way there.
Speaker 2:And this is why I think this movie's misunderstood, because it is pitched as the movie we just talked about, as a movie. It's called trap and it's about it should be about this tension and it should be a little cat mouse game with this profiler. None of this is happening. What this movie is is a really weird, interesting character study of this serial killer, and it's more about him processing emotions for possibly the first time of his life. I would say that's what this movie is about.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, that's what this movie could be about, I think it's well okay sorry, not a chance, you're right.
Speaker 2:Not a chance. I think Josh and I agree that that's what this movie is about. Sure, sure, and he delivers and the rest is just noise. 90 minutes of noise, 17 minutes of tight character study.
Speaker 1:Well, we get to this one point in the movie, at the end, where he's in the car with Lady Raven, I think. And she tries to take on the role of his mother. Yeah, and you watch that scene and you're like this does not work. Nope, but you're like I would like to see. You know, I'd like to see this scene. I want to see this scene work. But it doesn't work, not in this movie.
Speaker 1:They're both trying to make the scene work. She kind of can't sell that scene. She really can't. She's good at what she is the pop singer. Playing a pop singer, she's great. But to be the psychological foil to him, she does not have that ability.
Speaker 2:But not only does she not have that ability because I agree but also that's not what happens, it's not what the movie's about. So that one scene feels really weird to me. I would have loved it to be more about her being that for him, and not only that, but also her having a stronger connection to Spencer. Like because they play a whole six minute, like part of this movie, where she meets Spencer finally and they like hug. And it was just like because they play a whole six minute, like part of this movie, where she meets Spencer finally and they like hug. And it was just like, eh, I don't care, there was no connection. She was just like oh, I'm going to save you. And then she saved him.
Speaker 2:It's like, okay, where's the tension of that? Where's, like, her rollercoaster of like trying to save this man? Oh no, now I'm not going to save him. Oh no, now I'm not going to save him. Oh, I'm going to save him. And then she saves him. There's no roller. Like she goes into the bathroom for four minutes and she saves his life. Yep, Big deal.
Speaker 1:I don't give a shit, I like that scene. I felt like. I felt like that scene was this. Like you know, you have those sort of primal scenes in your movie that are you're like, oh, this is what makes the movie good. And I was like, oh, that's a good scene. But you're like, like you say it's, that scene is not supported by the rest of the movie.
Speaker 2:It didn't come from anywhere or go anywhere.
Speaker 1:in my it's an isolated nice moment, and I think there's a couple of those in this movie doesn't work is that we are living with Josh Hartnett the whole movie until we go with her into a bathroom to save this kid. I'm like, wait, our guy, that is our guy.
Speaker 2:We should be on the outside of that bathroom with him feeling his tension grow as he's panicking because he's losing control for the first time in his life. As he's panicking because he's losing control for the first time in his life. Yeah, but we don't get to see. We watch 40 minutes of him being in control, 100%, complete control, and as his life finally spins out of control, we're following someone else. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1:And he doesn't ever do anything while his life is spiraling out of control yes, we don't, it doesn't ever do anything. While his life is spiraling out of control yes, we don't, it doesn't. It only manifests himself and maybe him saying you know my life spiraling out of control.
Speaker 2:Well, so, okay. So we're going to disagree on that, because the scene at the, at the end of that scene, when he comes, when he opens the bathroom door, yeah, and he has to take a moment to collect himself, yeah, I love that moment. And then he kind of, then he like he's outside the bathroom, he's stressed, he's angry, he breathes and it's gone and he's back to being this emotionless thing. Yeah, Okay, I like that moment. It would make me like it more If, previous to that moment, I saw him lose his shit, which he was, because you heard screaming, you heard doors slamming. I'm pretty sure I heard something break, Like he just spent five minutes losing his mind. That's what I want to see. I want to see that roller coaster that he just rode, as opposed to missing all of it and seeing him here and then here again. That doesn't.
Speaker 1:It's frustrating to me, see, but the writer of this movie, m Night, wanted to show us his clever solution to saving Spencer. Sure, because that's what it is, he had a clever solution to saving Spencer and he wanted us. You know, the writer of the movie wanted us to see this, as opposed to showing us our character that, ostensibly, we're supposed to be invested in. I never felt invested in him.
Speaker 2:I think that's fair. The first time I saw it I didn't oh okay, and this is the second time I've seen it. I like it more in the second viewing only because of josh hartnett. Yeah, because, knowing what you know at the end of the movie, which is he is josh hartnett is playing a guy who is essentially playing a human because he doesn't feel like he's human and he's. There's a line where he's like I thought I was pretending, but he actually does, realizing Exactly, he's realizing he does care. So it's really interesting to watch Josh's Josh go back and forth between I'm fake caring and I really care because they're there and it's really. It's a really interesting movie to watch. Just for him again, movie's not great, everything like like the movie has a lot of problems, but his performances is really interesting to me my other huge problem is this movie.
Speaker 1:You're waiting for the twist. You're like, like, where's the twist?
Speaker 2:I've discovered it. I know what the twist is what's the twist, Tony? It's what we just talked about. The twist is you all think that this movie is a psychological thriller and Shyamalan's like nah bitches. It's not. That's the twist, told you. No, there's no twist. It's one of the most linear movies you'll ever see in your life. It never veers away. You're almost never surprised, right? Never surprised. It's weird.
Speaker 1:It's weird, okay, so boom, he's with the daughter. The daughter's name is Riley, he's Cooper. I guess he's a fireman. I guess he says he's a fireman. I guess he says he's a fireman, I mean he says it a couple of times, so he must be.
Speaker 1:And then we see a picture in the house where it looks like he's a fireman. So I'm like, oh okay, there you go. Yeah, they're going to the Lady Raven concert. Lady Raven played by M Night's one of his daughters. Daughters, oh interesting. She's good. She's an acceptable pop star. She only has 85,000 followers on Instagram Only. I mean 85,000, if you're trying to make music is terrible. Oh, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 2:Oh wait, Hold on. Is she a musician? Are you saying the character only has 85,000? What's happening, Dan? M Night Shyamalan's daughter has 85,000 followers and she's really trying to be a pop star In her music pop star career. Hold the fucking phone, dan. Yeah, are you telling me that M Night Shyamalan made a movie just to try to get his daughter's music career off the ground? Yeah, Because then that's what it feels like If she's really trying to be a pop star and she's clearly not doing it Like she's doing, okay, but she should be doing way better.
Speaker 2:He decided you know what? I'll just make a whole movie about it, and that should help, because I'm a little more upset now. I didn't know that any of that was true.
Speaker 1:Yes, all true. She wrote all the songs, performed all the songs.
Speaker 2:Oh no, she wrote the song that is. Where are the lines to this song? I'll have to find it somewhere. She just repeats the same same line 16 times in a row and then she's like that's a song. What the hell's going on over there, dan?
Speaker 1:I thought the, I thought the pop star stuff was fine.
Speaker 2:I was like but that's the problem, it's fine, she's not going to be a pop star, it's fine. When I watch those movies I'm like, well, this isn't that good Girls would not lose their minds. This is not T-Swift, this is not, I don't know, who do people like Olivia Rodrigo? I love her.
Speaker 1:So you really think that music is way better than the music in the movie?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, A billion percent. Okay, especially Olivia Rodrigo. She's amazing.
Speaker 1:Stop, she's so good. Have you seen Taylor Swift standing next to the? What's her name? The girl that she tours with Sabrina Carpenter?
Speaker 2:No, it's really. I don't know who Sabrina Carpenter is.
Speaker 1:Oh, she's the biggest pop star other than Taylor Swift in the whole world. But, I saw this video because they're on tour together. Sabrina Carpenter is like the opening act and Sabrina Carpenter is like this little tiny, weird-looking woman. And then Taylor's like this giant girl and it's like I don't know, it messed with my mind, she's tall, right, yeah, she's tall.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I girl and it's like it was like I don't know mess with my. She's tall, right, yeah, she's tall.
Speaker 1:yeah, I'm trying to find a picture of them. I'm struggling, I quit. So they see lady raven appear backstage by the buses and go in and everybody waves. They go inside. We do some. You know dad doing the like god damn what's what the dope coolness. And she's like stop being embarrassing like a monster.
Speaker 2:Which is something you should remember, because then later in the movie she's like oh, we could have matching. When they get the swag bag I don't know if you remember this behind the scenes she's like oh, they have two of the same color, we could be, we could match, we should get a picture. Matching, matching, matching. She would never be matching, matching. She would never want to do that. You set her up as a real person and then you decided to go against it. The script in this movie is not great.
Speaker 1:They go inside. Kids are doing TikTok dancing. Dad records are doing TikTok dancing. Dad records her doing TikTok dancing with some other random kids. There's a Shake Shack inside. Very good, oh, it's Tanaka Arena, which I'm sure means something.
Speaker 2:Is that a real place? I didn't look it up. No, I'm sure it's not.
Speaker 1:Maybe it is, I don't know there's this sort of weird thread where she's conflicting with other girls, these other girls at school who I guess are sort of pushing her out, and then we have the mother of one of those girls is there with one of those other girls, I guess yeah it's a little confusing. And she shows up a few times and yells at him and it's this whole character beat that you're like. Why is this even in here? What, what is? Does it serve anything?
Speaker 2:it's supposed and I'm just taking liberties now with with knowing what's, uh, what's supposed to happen I believe it's supposed to show him just another avenue of showing him pretending to care about something, so like there's a line that I wrote down when the first time she confronts him and he's like well, riley was really hurt about that and as a dad it's really hard to see those things, but he delivers it in a way that is not believable at all.
Speaker 2:It's like you see him thinking this is the right thing to say. So I'm gonna say it, but I don't mean it and it's really interesting. My problem is that I do feel like people would also pick up on it. No one in the movie picks up on the things that we look at and we're like, well, that's, that's disingenuous, right, like I know it is, and someone else should, but nobody does. I don't know, it's interesting yeah, yeah, yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 2:Um, there's a shake shack um, I do like shake shack, but here's my problem, dan shake shack burgers are more expensive and smaller than places of similar ilk, so I have a problem with shake shack they get inside, there's this weird band papa's boots that's playing yeah, is that a joke? Is the name supposed to like make me giggle? I don't know.
Speaker 1:It was very weird, I don't know and uh, josh is now observing that men are getting pulled out of the crowd and and and drawn away and we're like seven minutes into the movie. I think the lights dim. Everyone goes crazy. Outcomes Uh, the concert begins. I was like, wow, that was that was pretty quick.
Speaker 2:Yeah, very small opening act. You know it's fine yeah.
Speaker 1:He goes to the bathroom and I says I wrote this down. It's all dudes in the bathroom.
Speaker 2:Isn't it supposed to be?
Speaker 1:I know, I was like then I realized, oh yeah, it's a men's bathroom, it probably should only be all dudes in there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's the proper amount of dudes, I think.
Speaker 1:So he pulls out his phone and we see a video of a kid that's tied up in a room and he's observing. So I was like, oh, maybe the twist is going to be that's his other kid and he has to. He's trying to rescue this kid, but no, of course it's just his video.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that would have been fun. That would have been a fun twist. That's not it, dan.
Speaker 1:No, you're overthinking it yeah, I know.
Speaker 2:You're overthinking it. Yeah, I know. You know what's interesting is. He has an app that has, like, some sort of devil face on it that just leads to a secret camera for murder.
Speaker 1:That felt a little weird. Okay, well, here's your question. Tony, you're Mr Tech Bro, you're as tech bro as I get.
Speaker 2:Oh wow, thank you. That's a huge compliment, could you?
Speaker 1:set up on your phone to kill someone? Could you set up on your phone to kill someone? Could you make like an app to release dangerous gas to kill someone?
Speaker 2:I bet you could. I bet you could because you can automate stuff over Wi-Fi, right. So it's probably just like some sort of easily you know what I mean Just like one switch that would do it. You could probably do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2:I mean it makes I don't. I'm not saying that you could probably do that, yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. I mean it makes I don't. I'm not saying that you could. I I think you could do it, but someone would have to show me yeah so more vehicles arrive, more people arrive.
Speaker 1:10 million people arrive. Um, the amount of cops that are surrounding this area and that are employed in this thing to catch a guy that's killed 10 people is absurd. It feels a little extreme, right, and it feels so extreme that it's like if they were really trying to do something, they wouldn't send that many. They would be smart about it. It feels like they're being very stupid about it.
Speaker 2:All of the steps that this profiler takes are stupid Like none of them. I want to feel like they're outsmarting each other, and I never feel like it's a one-upping thing. It's always just like, oh, you're gonna, you're doing this, I'm just gonna do this, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do this. And josh hartnett is always one step ahead, which is fine, but she's supposed to be the best one in the country, like she is. She is the one they brought in to catch this guy. She, she is the expert. There needs to be a battle of wits. There's not. There's just not.
Speaker 1:It needs to be a trap. There needs to be guys on these 12 doors, but not on the 13th door. He goes for the 13th door and then he realizes I shouldn't have gone for the 13th door, because the 13th door is really where the trap is. All those other you know, you got to do stuff, you got to trap stuff, trap stuff.
Speaker 2:Or don't call your movie Trap. You know, there's another option.
Speaker 1:Then he starts hallucinating an old lady in the bathroom and I'm like, oh, that's his mom who abused him. Wada, yada, yada, yada.
Speaker 2:I find nothing surprising about this. Maybe come up with something more interesting.
Speaker 1:Yes, Right, she's a kind of frumpy lady man and later on she talks to him. That doesn't make any sense and I mean, if you really know about serial killers and their terrible parents, you got to give us a monster. She wasn't a monster, she was just like a lady.
Speaker 2:It just seemed like she was like hey, my kid is crazy and I'm a little scared of him, so I'm not going to love him. That's what I got from it, yeah.
Speaker 1:He runs into the stupid mom about the girls they're up in row 100. They specifically make us say we're up in row 116. I'm like, okay, I don't care, we're up in the cheap sheets, cheap sheets, the cheap sheets. You know the nosebleeds, you know. Just say that, just say something like that, right.
Speaker 2:Or just don't say it.
Speaker 1:I don't really care where you are. Lady Raven does a thing where she's like you got to forgive the people. I had someone do something to me and I had to forgive them. If you're going to forgive them, hold up your phone light. I like that. I like that.
Speaker 2:I mean it's fine for like a pop song, right, like it feels like something that would happen, yeah, but why doesn't he have any reaction to it, since he has that exact situation where his mother was abusive to him, why doesn't he have some sort of reaction to that? I'm not saying he should forgive her and be like, oh, I get it now, but he should not. He should not like it. He should have some sort of reaction since it's very personal to him and I assume that's why Shyamalan wrote it into the movie on purpose.
Speaker 1:You mean, maybe this is the point at which his ghost mom should show up, as opposed to randomly in the bathroom?
Speaker 2:for no reason, to randomly in the bathroom for no reason, and she looks over it actually triggers it and he, wow, he, you know.
Speaker 1:He looks at his phone and then he's about to push the button. He looks at her and then he's all like oh great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, have it mean something that's great, or just throw it in randomly, even though I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't think he has people read his scripts.
Speaker 2:I I've seen Entourage Dan and in Entourage he lets people read them, but only a couple people. He let Ari read his script.
Speaker 1:There it is. He goes out to the merchandise. They both go out to get the merchandise, which makes no sense.
Speaker 2:She would not miss a second of this conference, not a second Conference Conference Concert.
Speaker 1:Damn it. There's a shirt that they want, but this other girl gets it right before her. And then the dude's like come back in 10 minutes and I'll have more. And then he's all like, why all the police? And he's all like, oh, the butcher is here.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'll just break every protocol they told me and I'll tell you everything you want to know, bud, yeah, let me lay it out A little weird exposition.
Speaker 1:This whole concert's a trap. There's no way out, dot dot dot Except backstage. You're like if you had people you wouldn't say to them okay, we're going to control everything except the secret backstage, but if anybody needs to escape, let us know and we'll sneak you out the back.
Speaker 2:It's fine, there's nobody there. What? That's not a plan.
Speaker 1:Oh, so he sees that there's even guards where the employees go, he knocks a drunk girl down the stairs. That was funny.
Speaker 2:I really like that moment, because then what happened? Oh, she had too many drinks, must have fallen over. It's a nice moment.
Speaker 1:There are nice moments in this movie, he all by josh hartnett he tries to make for this one door and then he sees that he can't get out the door, which doesn't make any sense, because he was just told that that they're everywhere.
Speaker 1:Yeah, at every exit, yeah, yeah just seconds ago let's see, uh, parker wayne shows up and does part of it, does a song. You you know Parker Wayne like he does, and he comes out of this trap door. And so he sees the trap door, it's right next to them. He says to the daughter let's, let's sneak out there. And and that's weird behind stage and she's like Dad, you're being very weird.
Speaker 2:And he is, but she doesn't. She isn't really acting like he's acting weird. She says the line but she doesn't feel like he's acting weird. Sure, this is a weird thing to suggest. People come out of trap doors all the time and no one is like I should crawl down there.
Speaker 1:Nobody has ever said that he looks, you know, lovingly down to the thing and then it closes up and he's sad sure, so he slips back out, sees the t-shirt guy and then you know, t-shirts guy, okay, we gotta go into the back. And he's like why don't you come with me?
Speaker 2:not something that would happen. Wait, you're gonna get fired guy immediately.
Speaker 1:you know we get the whole. Did they find the guy you know? And then the guy's like I followed him. You know we have to do more exposition, like laying out what the butcher is. You know I follow him. He's had electric victims, blah, blah, blah. They gave us a secret code, hamilton. And then you know I've got a box cutter, you can steal my secret pass card, do do was weird.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's all very weird and clunky.
Speaker 1:But now he's got a pass card, he slips into one of the backstage areas where there's no cops directly holding it, and then there's all these cops giving another big speech, and then he walks through them to get to the coffee and then he looks at this weird image, I think, of burnt bodies, and I didn't understand what that was.
Speaker 2:That was one of his victims, oh. I didn't understand and he just has some sort of emotional response to it. Yeah, that was weird.
Speaker 1:He steals one of their walkie-talkies, then he runs into the stupid mom again, and then Well, hold on.
Speaker 2:You're going. I just this is one of one of my two favorite scenes in the movie is just him leaving the group of cops?
Speaker 2:yeah because he is, he got his coffee and he's like smiling and oh, excuse me, pardon me, pardon me. And he gets to the last guy and his face fucking drops, like he it's. He's putting on such a facade as he walks through. He drops his face and and shoulders the last cop like purposefully, and there's just like this, the moment of watching his face go from hey, I'm faking being happy and I'm going to murder you all. Awesome, it's an awesome moment.
Speaker 1:That's kind of how my life is.
Speaker 2:This is Dan Goodsell in public every day fake smiles, fake pleasantries. I'm gonna murder you all you sons of bitches. It's kind of true. I love it. Um, you should really connect with this character, dan, and I'm sad you didn't well, I live this life, you know.
Speaker 1:So I want to see him live like how I live sure, sure, I get it. I mean, that's the thing you take all these comedy classes and you learn acting. It's like I'm an incredible actor. Now no one sees through the facade of what's really going on.
Speaker 2:Nobody sees the real me Nobody. Oh, dan Goodsell, you should all be afraid.
Speaker 1:We see this stupid mom again. She gets aggro and she's like you, wouldn't like me. I have a dark side. Oh, I guess that's a clue into that. He's the one with the real dark side. Yeah, yeah, well done. Yeah, yeah, well done. Then someone gets. They take someone down and they're the person they take down. They take them down to this old lady who's the profiler. What function does the profiler serve in this movie?
Speaker 2:do you mean for the movie or like? What? Is her job in this scenario? What purpose does she serve? The collective movie? Do you mean for the movie or like what?
Speaker 1:is her job in this scenario? What, what, what? What purpose does she serve? The collective movie.
Speaker 2:Just pushing the plot forward Mostly, yeah.
Speaker 1:She doesn't that's it. She doesn't ever really interact with him. She doesn't really ever. She says stuff that we all know automatically.
Speaker 2:Right. She doesn't ever provide answers or new information. That is surprising. I'm never impressed with her in her job and that's what I mean when I want them to have. Like she gets close, she should be getting like oh, we've got him, we've got him. How did we lose him? Oh, we're closing in. How does he keep escape? Like I want that. Instead, she's just like I don't know. Put some guys around. He's probably here, so let's do it. That's it. That's her whole role in this movie. It's awful.
Speaker 1:Yes, she does not ever give us any insights into him, where we're like oh, that's why he's cleaning his fingernails, because she tells us why he's cleaning his fingernails.
Speaker 2:We don't get any of that from her Nope, it all happened off screen, I wouldn't worry about it.
Speaker 1:And I mean, oh, her name Dr Josephine Grant, and we don't care about her, it's kind of sad. No, I don't really care about many people in this movie um, you know he goes down into the the one hallway he's gonna pull the fire alarm and then he's like listening on the radio and they're like he's probably gonna pull a fire alarm in about 30 seconds. So get ready to not be fooled by his fire alarm pulling pretty funny did.
Speaker 2:Did it make you laugh? It made me laugh pretty hard. Yeah, dan, the timing of it is hilarious.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, listen, it's dumb, it's really really dumb. I just want to drive that home. M Night Shyamalan. It's really dumb, but also really funny. I don't know if it's intended to be funny, but the fact that his fingers are on it and she's like, I don't know, he might pull a fire alarm or something to try to distract us.
Speaker 1:That's too funny. It's too funny man, you know. But then you want him to do something with that fire alarm some other time, you know to like 100% yes.
Speaker 2:So then he's Be like oh see, fooled. You.
Speaker 1:He slips into the fry station and throws some stuff in the boiling hot thing and that causes an explosion which causes a lady to get burnt in the face yeah, it's the only intense moment of this whole movie I mean, I think it's the only time he hurts anyone, right?
Speaker 2:I mean push the lady down the stairs.
Speaker 1:He did push the ladies down, yeah but she's fine they were. She was like walking around she was drunk dance, she was super drunk.
Speaker 2:She deserved she probably didn't feel it. She deserved it. Asking for it.
Speaker 1:You know, that's like that's a target of our I mean, she's drunk, standing at the edge of the stairs. What do you want to happen, lady? Who wouldn't have us? We all would have done that.
Speaker 2:Yoink Just push her down the stairs. Yeah, it's a very what's the opposite word of violent, like it's a non-violent movie about a serial killer?
Speaker 2:yes, and that's not super interesting to me, you know, like because I'm not. I'm honestly not that scared of this guy. Nope, it seems like he, the guy spencer, that's trapped. We get to see the footage of him getting taken later and it just kind of feels like josh hartnett pulled up in a van, offered him candy and then stole him. That's what it looked like, which is you shouldn't. That's spencer's fault.
Speaker 1:That's a hundred percent on spencer I mean, he probably had good candy he probably had some butterscotch.
Speaker 2:You like those butterscotches? Oh God, I love those, like Werther's or something. Yeah, like the grandma candy, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh no, butterscotch is not so much, but Werther's I like, werther's, I like.
Speaker 2:They're good. So you like the caramel right? That's a Werther's right. Yeah, they're more caramel. I like a buttersc. Finish it. Finish that sentence.
Speaker 1:You animal big loser um, he goes backstage, he climbs up to the roof and there's a couple security guards up there and you were kind of like how's he gonna escape from the roof? Is he gonna rappel down somehow? I didn't the roof. I don't know what he's doing up there and then he has to fake, you know, he has to use the code word, and then he has to pull out the guy's wallet who he left his wallet in his apron, and then he pulls out the secret card that they gave them. Yeah.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of happy accidents in a string of like 45 seconds.
Speaker 1:Make him wiggle, make him wriggle.
Speaker 2:You know it's like don't have him have the card, you know. Then have him freak out, oh my God, have him, have to outsmart him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he has to do this, but no one, you know oh you need a thing here's the. Thing.
Speaker 2:Exactly Leads to no tension. Right, like he's looking for it for half a second, he pats down his pockets and he's like, oh, this is exactly what I needed. See you guys later. And they're like cool, bye. No, that scene. I should be worried he's going to get caught. Yeah, this is a moment where he's like, oh shit, I have to figure out how to get away from here. I don't have anything I need. What lies, can I tell? Because later again, when he's in the scene with Alice and Pill, she's like I saw you lie so effortlessly that it gave me chills. Let me see that moment. Yeah, let me see him pull it out of his ass so convincingly that it's like, yeah, that guy's a serial killer.
Speaker 1:You know, have him collapse, have him do something, Do anything. But I mean, and once again, when he was lying to them, he was not lying really well, I was like, oh he's lying.
Speaker 2:No, that's what I'm saying is yes.
Speaker 1:I would like to see him have to come up with a lie that convinces me that he could do this. Yeah, because if he was really freaking out from somebody getting injured down there, he would. He should have been freaking the fuck out Like, oh my.
Speaker 2:God.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what the fuck Boom gets back.
Speaker 2:Oh he sees the burnt girl and his mom again like oh the mom, mom ghost, oh mom goes somehow he meets up with the daughter in the fire alarm hallway and then they go back.
Speaker 1:She's just there I don't know why she was?
Speaker 2:I don't know nobody knows. She spends less time at this concert than anyone would. She leaves way more. I don't even like concerts and I would stay more than she did.
Speaker 1:They get back in the concert and next up is the song where she picks a random girl to come on stage with her and Josh goes and sees that M Night Shyamalan is there and is all like, yeah, I love this show. You know, my kid has leukemia and just getting better. Maybe you can do something about that.
Speaker 2:And he's all like, oh, my God, we're going to put her on the thing and see, now, this is a moment where he lies convincingly yeah, he does, he tells that story. Well, I want it to mean more. You know what I mean. Like this is just this feels like a dad lying for his daughter yeah, I want to see a guy lying to protect his life.
Speaker 1:We never see him. Almost get you know. You want one of them to say so something you know. So she's doing much better. And then the daughter's like what? And then he has to spin the light.
Speaker 2:We want him to keep on crafting this web of lies that we feel like is going to collapse on him at some point Exactly. We want to feel the walls closing in and instead they just make everything so easy for him until the end, which is my favorite scene in the movie. There it is.
Speaker 1:So the assistant shows up, she does the dancing thing and he then picks up another girl who's collapsing and gets backstage to medical and then starts doing medical on her. And that that scene, he, he goes into the drawers and starts fiddling around and I was like that's really weird. And that's the point at which you know, somebody should have said what hey, hold on, what are you doing? And he's all like yes, oh, I'm an emt, I, I got this.
Speaker 2:And they're all like oh, you're, you know you want, yeah, like I'm a first responder, it's fine, like I'm just helping out, because if you're you know you want, yeah, like I'm a first responder, it's fine, like I'm just helping out, because if I saw somebody you know, it's like if you saw somebody going into doctor's drawers it's not a doctor You'd be like what the fuck is going on?
Speaker 2:What are you doing? I get yelled at all the time for that, because I'm just in there lookingtips at home, please, oh boy, that's the best feeling. Do you? Q-tip Dan? Are you a Q-tip guy? Not that much, not that much. I'm two, three times a day, that's a true story my wife loves the Q-tips. Oh God, it's the best.
Speaker 1:We set up that Lady Raven has asthma.
Speaker 2:I don't even remember that, yeah.
Speaker 1:She pulls out an inhaler and does it.
Speaker 2:I don't remember that, Dan. Why? Because it never comes into play.
Speaker 1:Never again. And I'm like, oh God, why?
Speaker 2:She's riding high anxiety for about 30 minutes of this movie and I didn't even know she had. I don't think so, guys. It would flare up.
Speaker 1:Then we have this guy the Thinker. Who's this guy with this long blonde hair who wants to have sex with Josh Hartnett? But it's also like a singer.
Speaker 2:I don't blame him for that part, because I also would enjoy that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he is like kind of a bitch. Once again, it's like these characters that are like oh this is going to lead somewhere.
Speaker 2:And then you're like, no, they just walk off stage and never do it again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, are like, oh, this is gonna lead somewhere. And then you're like, no, they just walk off stage and never. Yeah, he just, he just fucks off, I don't know, I don't know. So then he corners lady raven, gets her alone in her um dressing room.
Speaker 2:Uh, would never happen. No, you never. No, never, god, no, not, unless she wasn't famous, you know, I mean like, maybe if she was like a small, maybe if she was Papa's boots is that who they were called Then maybe they'd let an unattended fan get into the dressing room.
Speaker 1:But no, she doesn't have a security guard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that's not, definitely not going to happen with someone of her stature.
Speaker 1:They all have security guards. Are you kidding me? It's insane. She's like two feet tall. You know it's like no. So he shows her the video of spencer and like he's gonna die. You gotta get us out of here I have to ask you a question.
Speaker 2:yeah, because the I guess both times now that I've seen it. Yeah, the moment where he flips on her because he's like, oh, we're having fun, we're having fun, takes a breath and says I think you're looking for me. Should that have been a reveal.
Speaker 1:He says that to Lady Raven.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when he's trapped her in the room, this is him telling her hey, I'm the murderer. He says, all right, you're looking for me, everyone's looking for me. It feels like a line that would be in another Shyamalan movie, the twist of us finally being like holy shit, this is the murderer. But it comes too late, obviously in the movie to actually be that. So I don't understand. It's a weird moment to me. I don't understand. It's a weird moment to me. I don't know.
Speaker 1:It feels out of place. Yeah, I mean, like I said, there is no, it was interesting. When he does that and sort of brings her into this, I was like, oh okay, well, maybe she's the hero of the movie.
Speaker 2:Which I would be fine with. But that's not what happens.
Speaker 1:No, she's sort of she's the sort of you know this mid 20 minutes. Hero of the movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which I would rather? It be a full story, yeah or nothing. Yeah, personally, that's just me personally.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cause, yeah, we, we don't really, yeah, um, so let's see what happens boom, boom, boom, uh. So then she gets him out to the limo and then she tells her driver, okay, let's go to his home. And he's all like, don't come to my home. So the limo driver drives up to the home, 108 Monk Road.
Speaker 2:Now in Monk Road, dan, is that a nod to the last airbender? You think that's what I thought of immediately I was like I don't even know if they are monks. Is that? Is that insensitive? Can I call them monks? No, they're monks, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:Great monks. No, they're monks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because okay great the air, the airbender, monks, all they're all dead. So this is a place of death.
Speaker 1:So that's what it probably means you're right, tony there you go, nailed it.
Speaker 2:You're not right now.
Speaker 1:I figured out the whole movie, dan they go there, he, they meet allison pill. Who's the mom? There's also a son. They go go inside, they have pie. And then at one point Lady Raven's like do you know who the butcher is, rachel? And then we find out that they found the ticket receipt in one of his abandoned fake houses.
Speaker 2:And now again on second rewatch. This is a really interesting scene, okay, because Alison Pill does know who the butcher is. Yeah, she thinks she's pretty sure, especially now, like she's almost positive, you know. So it's interesting to watch her play a character that kind of knows, but is lying Like she doesn't know, is probably scared for her life and her children. It's, it's. There's some really interesting character work between these two people, allison pill and josh hartnett that's it, so you gotta watch the movie twice.
Speaker 1:I guess is the uh what you did so what?
Speaker 2:well, my question is, because I don't remember everything from the first time we saw, but how did, did you feel that tension while watching it this time?
Speaker 1:I thought that she was going to be the killer, or they worked in partnership, or there was going to be something really interesting fucked up about the situation I wanted. See. That's the thing is. This is a movie about a serial killer.
Speaker 1:I want someone to feel like they're fucked the fuck up, like like, like, I'm like, like you say, I'm not scared of this guy. I'm like, well, he grabs people, he kills them. You know he scares those people while he's killing them. But it's like I'm not, like you say, I'm not afraid of him. I'm like, whatever I don't think he does.
Speaker 2:I don't think he does. That's the thing, right, like his murder. His murder is passionless, that's his whole thing, which is why this when we get to the kitchen scene, we'll talk more about it. I love the kitchen scene, even though it's not written great, but it's still really nice. He doesn't feel anger, he doesn't do, he just does it because it brings him relief. So it's kind of like Like he just feels better doing it.
Speaker 1:It's kind of like doing a show with you. He just like bores them to death. He just like waits for them to be like, just lulls them into. Yeah, exactly that's exactly what it is. Wait till.
Speaker 2:I stop talking so I can die. See, and then you know, imagine doing a show with someone else. That's really fun. That would be the later you know, like, like how it is with me. Yeah, that's true. That's right Now I feel doing a show with you. That's how he feels at the end, when he feels anger for the first time.
Speaker 1:I really need to clone myself. Um, and then she's like I can play a quick song on the, but this is like my favorite part of the movie.
Speaker 2:She's like I can play a song, and then we have this snap pan to the piano which is like Surprise reveal.
Speaker 1:But it was in frame. The piano was in frame, I think we just snap over to it and I was like I guess they're doing a song.
Speaker 2:And so Lady Raven and this is the song that I laughed at really hard.
Speaker 1:Oh, you didn't like this song.
Speaker 2:I did not. Did you like this song?
Speaker 1:The piano's fine. I don't remember the song.
Speaker 2:Well, let me tell you the words of the song. It goes like this when did she go? Where did she go? Where did she go? Where did she? She said, where did she go? Four times in a row and then finished the song. Well, you know what I'm going to tell you, Tony, Please tell me something Dan. That one day I gained some amount of respect for you. Wait, have I lost it since that day? Just so I know where I'm at.
Speaker 1:It's the point at which I realized you may be a better actor than me.
Speaker 2:Just a little Great. I love I crossed that bar bar. This is a good day we're doing?
Speaker 1:we're in a comedy class with jeff galante and he was doing the thing where you only have one line to say, and then you have each person, each character has one line to say. It just goes back and forth, yeah, and then you put acting mustard on it each time and each time you did your line. You know when you did it like six or eight times, you did something different with it.
Speaker 2:Everyone else just kept-. Well, that was the exercise, Dan.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you remember Everyone else just kept saying the same line and nothing was happening. Sure, you know, tony was like mustard mustard, mustard, mustard, sure, wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, again, that's the exercise, so I'm happy you recognized it, but I think the more important thing is that nobody else was able to do it differently. It might not be that I'm a good actor, it might just be that they're all pretty bad and you got laughs off of them, yeah. I think I got laughs too.
Speaker 1:Of course Dan did, but you got better laughs than me, and I was impressed and jealous at the same time. Thank you for the flowers and I appreciate that.
Speaker 2:It's pretty rare. It's and I learned something about acting that day that you don't want to do it anymore, hell, no, that's what I learned recently um it is so she snatches josh hartnett's phone and has uh riley's daughters, which never came of anything. I don't think nope, she just took all the phones in the house, you know, just because locks yourself in the bathroom.
Speaker 1:Josh hartnett loses his fucking mind out there, which we don't see his mind and I want to see him go through it so badly but it doesn't happen. She doesn't have. She then does a thing which I thought was really clever and really interesting point she uh calls up her fans and, with the information, that's yeah.
Speaker 2:does it like an Instagram live?
Speaker 1:The information that Spencer has that she's able to send her minions to where he is and save his life within like a little five-minute span.
Speaker 2:If that had been building to this moment and that was like the climax of her character, that would be really nice. But this is all pretty much brand new information and it's just like a little blip. Yeah, you know, like I would. I would love her to.
Speaker 1:I don't know If she'd have spent, if she'd have spent time with Josh and had pumped him about what was going on with this kid and it's like, why would you do this? You know he's like I do this and you know she slowly gets this information out of him and then she has these minutes with his phone. You would be like fucking get the information out, get to find the people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but instead, you know, and he doesn't even come to the door, she eventually opens the door, so she could have spent 25 minutes in there for all we know. Right, he threatened something. Why didn't she?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean he did a lot of yelling, he locked his family away, supposedly, supposedly, and then she was done you know, yeah, and she's like okay, I'm coming out now, wait a second, hold on, you're protected in this space.
Speaker 1:He has to destroy that door. He has to do something.
Speaker 2:Well, you can't. Here's the problem. He's a fireman right. Can't get through a door, he can't take an axe to the door, because Jack Nicholson already did that. He already did that.
Speaker 1:Noises crashing, takes phone.
Speaker 2:Takes her to the garage. He's got the go bag in the car hold. Wait, we missed another nice moment. Yeah, he collects himself, calm and cool, takes his phone back, opens it, looks at it and sees that spencer's missing. And he does this really calm, turns the phone and he goes. Now how did you do that? And it's such a he's impressed. Yeah, and I love that moment, like he's impressed with that. She outsmarted him, because no one else has outsmarted him in this whole movie and I just like that moment.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And then you're like, oh, this is going to be the movie. Oh, here we're finally going to get to the movie. It's going to be these two cat and mousing it.
Speaker 2:And yet another twist from M Night Shyamalan. It's not that. Dan Twist back to the original boring one.
Speaker 1:So they go out into the car, she tries to Lady Raven tries to act like his mom, and then she kind of he kind of has a little bit of a problem, but not really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, not really, and I, no, not really. And I like the moment when he turns to her at the end and I don't remember exactly what he says, but he's like something, something, something, mom, Like he sarcastically gives her a mom. It's funny because he is acknowledging that this was a waste, like nothing worked and it was dumb. I don't know, it's interesting. It's not great, but it is what it is.
Speaker 1:So he tries to pull out and boom, there's the family, and he realizes that he's never looked at his house and how easy it is to escape from his house, and they just climbed out the window and down a tree.
Speaker 2:Now come on. I have a problem this man with zip ties and firemen is a thousand times bigger than all of them.
Speaker 1:They should be unconscious.
Speaker 2:They give you the line, they give you the Dan Goodsell line. He goes I've never thought about my house in that lens and then says never let the two lives touch. Now that's flimsy, right. Yeah, I don't buy it. No, but it also isn't true because he has an escape hatch in his fucking kitchen. So he has thought about it, dan. He has thought about it a bunch enough to possibly tunnel under his own house into his neighbors. That is ridiculous. If someone had taken the time to put in an escape hatch into his house, into his neighbor's backyard, he definitely thought about his house in that lens.
Speaker 1:Yes, I was very mad, sorry, very silly Lady Raven slips out of the car and he dads away as they all move away.
Speaker 2:How did she just get out of the car. Don't limos have locks like childproof?
Speaker 1:locks in the back. This is his car. She's in his car right now.
Speaker 2:Sorry, you're right. Sorry, I'm in the wrong scene.
Speaker 1:So she slips out, and then 10,000 cops show up. He goes back in the house and starts sweeping up.
Speaker 2:Sorry, dan, I got to say another moment that I liked though. Yeah, as the family is leaving, yeah, he is telling them what to do. He's like, wife, the electrician comes monday, like don't. Or the water heater person come, like he's he does. It's a nice moment because he does care, but also he's got this other side, so he's like getting those last things in and then he shuts the garage door and it just like slowly closes over.
Speaker 1:It's a nice little moment. They just should have made him more of a psychopath. You know, sure, sure, just like I don't know, he just never really felt like a enough of a psychopath well, I think that's the point.
Speaker 2:Though, because they say it like the profiler, I mean it's. I'm just saying it's very intentional, right like it was. It's built that way because that's the way they wanted. I'm not saying that that was the right choice, because the profiler even says at the end to the wife is maybe a mother would have noticed it, which she did, but nobody else after that would notice it, because he's so normal and yet so different, and that was just what they wanted to play. You know, I don't know. It makes for a not very fun, exciting, interesting movie, but it does allow Josh Hartnett to have really nice moments of battling those two characters in his head.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Okay, the police surround the house. His family drives away. They go in and they find the tunnel. He is tunneled away and has gotten away and somehow he has disabled the limo driver put on the limo driver's outfit. And then Lady Raven just gets in the car Right and drives away.
Speaker 2:It's very weird. It doesn't make a lot of sense, even like temporarily, like time wise, none of that makes any sense.
Speaker 1:A lot of work.
Speaker 2:It's a lot to get done to work yeah and for what reason?
Speaker 1:he doesn't care about her?
Speaker 2:no, well, he does, I would see. I would argue he does a little bit because again, again, she outsmarted him. I think that that has triggered something in him where he's like, okay, I need to kill her.
Speaker 1:Well then, that has to be the rest of the movie.
Speaker 2:I agree. This is me projecting my own beliefs on it, just based on what I know about the character, because I find that he outsmarts everybody so easily, so finding someone that would match him would, I think, be very important to it. Sure, again, we don't deal with it. I'm just putting that in my own head.
Speaker 1:So he drives away with her and decides to drive through a main street where there's a million people.
Speaker 2:What a great idea, you know like from a guy who's been pretty much smarter than everybody the whole movie. What a wonderful idea just drive down a busy road, get stopped and then let her roll down a window if he was really gonna like I mean, yeah, it's just terrible it's not good, so so she she finally rolls down a window and is like help me call the police.
Speaker 1:How many of those people called?
Speaker 2:the police, zero, in fact. One of them asked why she said help me and someone in the crowd goes why, like what? If Lady Raven rolled down a window and said help me, people would tear the doors off that limousine. Are you kidding me? Tear the doors off that limousine. Are you kidding me? Tear the doors off that limousine ridiculous she.
Speaker 1:Then people block the car and just stand there and don't do anything. She's able to break free and get out, and what does she do when she gets out of the car?
Speaker 2:I think she just goes into the crowd and then turns around, right she stands in the crowd and is silent. Okay, yeah, no, that's what I thought. Yeah, Like what the fuck? It's a totally normal reaction.
Speaker 1:Call the fucking police, you know.
Speaker 2:Or to help you. Hey, that's the butcher, the butcher's in this car, someone kill him.
Speaker 1:Yes, this car is surrounded. You say the butcher's in the car. These people would tear that car apart 100%. But instead the police show up and then somehow he has changed into one of her T-shirts and gotten out of the car.
Speaker 2:So the only thing I can assume is that he's a quick change artist, you know, like those people that have the hoop and they go new outfit. Well, that's Josh Hartman in this movie, baby.
Speaker 1:And then, when the police opened the door, he has propped up the thing to build a fake body.
Speaker 2:It's equipment. I mean, it's just asinine. It doesn't make any sense. Man, I love it, it's great.
Speaker 1:Lady Raven then goes to the Lion House and hugs Spencer. And I don't care about any of it, and then the profiler's there, and then I think Lady Raven says this to the profiler. They say you lecture on this, yeah, and that's the point where she says only his mom knew she was a monster.
Speaker 2:Right. None of it makes any sense. Why are we?
Speaker 1:hearing that why? I don't why there's no reason. There's no reason and then we get back to um. We go back to the house. There's allison pill watching a video of the spencer abduction and boom, there he is sitting at the table because he's broken back into his own house.
Speaker 2:Because he's mad at his wife Because he's finally figured out how he got caught. I love this scene. I think this is great.
Speaker 1:He takes off his shirt, to which it just doesn't make any sense. It makes sense.
Speaker 2:Dan, because I don't want my shirt.
Speaker 1:They should have stripped down to nudity.
Speaker 2:So this is Well. I mean, I'm not against that I was hoping that the whole time I was like let's do the pants next baby.
Speaker 1:Come on, josh, I mean if he was a clean freak, we should have seen that, more than just him sweeping up one time and him taking off his shirt, sure.
Speaker 2:Well, we should have seen a lot of stuff, I would argue, in this movie.
Speaker 1:If you're going to make him OCD. I want to see a guy that's OCD.
Speaker 2:I get it, but I'm just telling you what Josh and I know, which is we know this character. M Night Shyamalan, who wrote it, doesn't know the character that well, not really.
Speaker 1:Not really.
Speaker 2:But this is a nice scene for me, dan. Yeah, because, yeah, she tells him how she figured it out and it was because of the way he smelled. So he takes off the shirt and he doesn't want to mess up the shirt and he's getting all this great stuff. And then they sit down and they have a conversation, yeah, and he says, says I feel so much rage towards you. Yeah, and it's the first time he's ever felt rage in his life. Yeah, and I love him just trying to like understand what these feelings are and what they mean. And then he has a nice little conversation with his mom you know, fake mom and she and she's like you're not a monster. And he has tears in his eyes and he's like not all, not all of me is a monster.
Speaker 2:It's a beautiful scene and in a better movie this scene would be fucking amazing. Yes, could have been. Yeah, but I still really like it. He does. I think they both do a really great job allison pill and josh hartnett in this scene. Like it's. It's the first scene in the movie where I feel like someone else is also acting really well. Does that make sense? Not not that anyone's a bad actor, but like. This is a scene where it's like two acting powerhouses have a mediocre to good scene and they elevate it to a place where it shouldn't have been in the first place.
Speaker 1:And I'm sitting here through this whole scene and I'm going like this what is happening? What is?
Speaker 2:happening. What's happening, dan, is he's finally realizing that he thought he was pretending to care about his family this whole time. But it turns out he does care. And not only that, he cares so much that he wants to kill his wife because she's going to take away his children and him wrestling with the fact that he does care that much and he's so disappointed that it's going to end, and I quote, in the standard way of murder-suicide. He's disappointed, he's upset that his life has led him to the point where he's. It's all very good, it's very, very good, which I'd be yelling?
Speaker 1:just kill yourself.
Speaker 2:No, he can't do that because of the rage. He can't control it. The killing has always been about control and now he feels like he can't control it and he's mad and he's going to kill for the first time, for passion. It's lovely, it's a great moment. Character study.
Speaker 1:You should probably write like a one-act play Go all Will.
Speaker 2:Josh be in it. Go all Sam Shepard on this shit. If Josh will be in it, I'll write it. You know what I'm?
Speaker 1:saying the police come, oh she. She drugs him with the pie with his own drugs Somehow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she found the bag in the car, put the drugs in the pie and also the point where she's like let's have one more slice of pie. Really weird, terrible writing Doesn't make any sense, but you know, you just have to let that slide. It doesn't make any sense, but you know, you just have to let that slide.
Speaker 1:You have to let it slide, because the acting of this scene from Josh and from Alice and Pill is good enough that I'll allow bad writing. But the whole thing is and what effect does this drugs have on him?
Speaker 2:It makes him groggy and easier to trick. It makes him groggy and easier to trick and then it makes him believe that the profiler is his mom. Does that really happen or do you think this mom's fictitious? Again, it's hard to be sure, I don't know. I don't know either. The movie doesn't tell you.
Speaker 1:That's for sure. Basically, the police figure out that he's in there. Don't know how she put on a teapot. Well, they had people watching the house, so I'm sure why didn't they come in like an hour?
Speaker 2:like why didn't they come at the beginning of the scene? Maybe she was trapping him? It's another trap, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1:So they come in and two guys taser him multiple times. He ignores taser, which you absolutely can do okay.
Speaker 2:So we had that conversation. We didn't know that. Yeah, is that? Is that true? Like I feel, like I've heard people on drugs can do it, absolutely okay sometimes you'll be running, they taser you.
Speaker 1:You become a board bang down oh, sure, sometimes they taste you three, four or five times and it slows you down, but it doesn't take you down, but it doesn't sound interesting okay, it's very variable. It might have to do with how it hits you, and you know like where the electricity is and stuff yeah okay, I'm not gonna tell the story did you get tased in the nuts dan it?
Speaker 1:was the opposite. Shannon was watching this video and there was this person on drugs, this woman, and she was climbing on a bunch of um electrical equipment, you know, like transformers and shit. So they had to like, yeah, had to turn, turn off the whole city block, and, and then they sent a cherry picker up there to get her. She won't get down, so they shoot her with the taser. And where do they hit her?
Speaker 2:In the Netherlands.
Speaker 1:And someone down there goes, they shot her in the dot dot dot and Shannon got very angry and I was like I don't know man, that's pretty funny and then she sort of slides off of the wire that she's on. Very rude, but it was funny. This is good, I wish.
Speaker 2:I would have seen it a little bit.
Speaker 1:So boom, they taser him, but he still has a chance to kill a guy by poking at his eyes with his thumbs. Which was like wow that poor idiot's the one guy.
Speaker 2:You don't move. You don't move back a little. Take a few steps.
Speaker 1:I'm going to tell you something. Tony the butcher is at the point where they're not using non-lethal, I'm sorry, they're using lethal, oh a million percent.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right. They spent $2 million creating this trap and then they're like no, no, no, Be careful with him, don't hurt him.
Speaker 1:We really got to try him. Well, we need to understand what's going on.
Speaker 1:We need him to talk about his mom for a couple of days. So they finally take him down, and this is the thing I hate the most in the movie. What do they do with him? Tony him down. And this is the thing I hate the most in the movie. What do they do with him? Tony, put him in chains. They put him in chains and where are his hands in these chains? In front, and what can he do with these hands? Almost anything, I would say. Over the course of the last couple of weeks, shannon and I have watched a lot, a lot of police body cam footage. You know who they let have their hands in the front Nobody, nobody, no fucking person for not even a fucking second.
Speaker 1:Everybody has their hands behind their back, which they complain and whine and cry because it's painful, because it's painful. But the only people that ever get their hands in front are like pregnant mothers that were in a traffic stop and there's nothing. You have to be one out of a thousand people to have your hands in front and you are the most non-threatening women in the world. So the butcher.
Speaker 2:So the butcher? Yes, exactly. Women in the world it's nuts of butcher.
Speaker 1:Yes exactly and he freaks out and it's like there's a bicycle on the ground. He's like I gotta put that bicycle up and then the daughter runs over to him. They let the daughter through and he's all like I gotta hug my daughter one last time.
Speaker 2:They let the profiler is like let her through, as if she's mad that they were almost gonna stop this tiny child from going towards a serial killer.
Speaker 1:That's that's ludicrous. He has his hands in the front. You know what he could do put those hands right around her neck and break her neck instantaneously.
Speaker 2:She could break her neck in less than a second man. She's got a tiny neck. She's a child, it was, it's wild, it's wild stuff so stupid they.
Speaker 1:They lock him in the, they lock him in the whatchamacallit thing. And it turns out that when he picked up the bike, he stole one of the spokes and immediately picks all his locks. And then how did?
Speaker 2:he do that without anybody noticing. Is it that easy to get it off the bike to get?
Speaker 1:a spoke. I think it was a spoke, or maybe it was the, maybe it was the, the, the little lid off of the, the, the inner tube thing, and then maybe he pulled that. You can't do any of that, those things are those things are fine motor work. You know to put, to put a spoke on a fucking bike, you have to have a special tool that you have to turn a hundred times.
Speaker 2:I had no idea what he took, but it was pretty big. He pulls it out of his sleeve and it's like a magician taking those handkerchiefs out. It just keeps going. I was like how did he get this? What is it? I don't even know what on a bike. I don't know what. That is Wild stuff. So stupid. It's very dumb.
Speaker 1:but it leads to another wonderful moment when he picks his locks, and then he's sitting back there laughing, he laughs.
Speaker 2:It's the first time this person has ever genuinely laughed in their entire life and he's surprised. What I love about it, dan, is the first laugh is like it's a genuine laugh and he's like holy shit. You can see it in his eyes. He's like holy shit, I'm laughing. And then he laughs bigger because he's surprised that he's laughing. It's a wonderful moment. It's really nice. You are so in love with him.
Speaker 1:And I am. And then we have like a little, a little stinger where the t-shirt guy sees him on tv and he's all like what? Oh my god, I helped him I am never going to help anyone, ever again I'm not talking to any anyone at work ever again.
Speaker 2:That's funny it was stupid. It doesn't fit this movie.
Speaker 1:No, but you know whatever it's fine, hot tub time machine part two coming next summer. You're like like, okay, fine. All right guy yeah that's the movie, you know. I mean, it certainly was an easy watch, but it's an easy yet unsatisfying watch. That's what I would say about it.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah. But if you go into it thinking of it not as a movie but as a study of a character played by Josh Hartnett, where you miss some fairly important parts of it, it's really great.
Speaker 1:If you look for the movie it could have been. You might enjoy the movie it could have been.
Speaker 2:Everyone needs a little bit more optimism in their lives.
Speaker 1:It's one of those movies, you pick your own movie.
Speaker 2:Choose your own adventure.
Speaker 1:There's a different movie in this movie for everyone.
Speaker 2:Amen to that. Also, josh Hartnett's great Welcome back. Let's get him some real work, guys.
Speaker 1:Tony tell us about something you liked this week.
Speaker 2:So it is. What is it? November 16th today? It is so it's Christmas season, oh, no, today so it's christmas season. Uh, we are on the hallmark plus app. We are watching a wonderful little ditty called finding mr christmas and it's a reality television show where they put male models, actors. You know what have you through different tests to find the next, uh, hallmark leading man?
Speaker 2:and supposedly at the end of the contest, they released the movie that that winner made. So we're very excited. It's very fun. It's stupid, it's silly, it's Christmas, it's fun, we love it.
Speaker 1:I had like a sitcom idea where you owned your own Christmas store yeah, no, let's do that.
Speaker 2:I love Christmas. This is the best idea you've ever. Store yeah, no, let's do that. I love Christmas. This is the best idea you've ever had.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a good idea. Write it I never told you that idea. No, you never told me that idea. I love it. I wrote it down somewhere. I might have some notes on it.
Speaker 2:I hope you got lots of notes. I think I had a good name for it too.
Speaker 1:I don't remember what the name was, though there's a new terrible reality show called Roller Jam, where they do groups of people that do roller skating.
Speaker 2:What Roller Jam TV show? Yeah, this is right up my alley, Dan.
Speaker 1:What I did was it's on Netflix or one of the streamers. It's on HBO Max. Hbo Max you can just watch the roller skating, so you just watch about 10 minutes. Ignore all the judging fairly entertaining show.
Speaker 2:I love it. That's smart. Yeah, I'm definitely going to give this a shot.
Speaker 1:And then there's a podcast I've been listening to called Every Single Sci-Fi Film Ever.
Speaker 2:That sounds like a long podcast.
Speaker 1:Each week she picks a different sci-fi film and then it talks to some actual science experts.
Speaker 2:Oh interesting, it's a good show. Is she going in order? Okay, so just whatever you decide that week, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's cool. She had this one neurologist on the one I was listening to today and they were talking about the Creator, which is the Gareth.
Speaker 2:The movie I never watched.
Speaker 1:It's pretty terrible. I mean it's beautiful, it's beyond a beautiful movie as a movie. And then he was talking about AI and I wanted to hit him with a rock because, oh, why? Oh, because was talking about ai and I wanted to hit him with a rock because, uh, oh why? Oh, because people, ai is doing magical things and gpt's gonna, hollywood's gonna be all different for the better, because all this ai garbage and it's like no, it's not no, it's not, it's really not.
Speaker 1:I mean because that's the thing is if you is, if we watch a lot of movies, most of which you don't. M Night Shyamalan made a lot of movies, some of which are really good. This is a guy that all of his movies are not good. Yeah, there's mistakes in this movie that are like these big chasms, right. Yes, in this movie that are like these big chasms right. Yes, Then you would think oh, you wouldn't make those chasmical. There must be a word in there.
Speaker 2:There might be, but I don't have it.
Speaker 1:Chasmous Mistakes. Chad GPT, that's all it's going to give you. It's going to give you the blandest shit of the world, or it's just going to give you. If Chad GPT wrote this movie, you the blandest shit of the world, or it's just going to give you. You know how, if chad gpt wrote this movie, there would be nothing here.
Speaker 1:Well, sure, but you know what it can do is like it can generate wild ideas and then you write stuff based off that, maybe well, sure, but I mean I have a million wild ideas that I never get around to finishing.
Speaker 2:We know, Dan, we know you got a lot going on upstairs though.
Speaker 1:Piles of wild ideas. You should get on some of those. I work on them every day.
Speaker 2:Specifically ones about maybe Christmas and people owning Christmas stores. Maybe, start there. See what that one's all about.
Speaker 1:No, I'm writing one about the income tax right now you son of a bitch income tax. I'm in, let's do it yeah my one character gets a income tax bill. You know, like we all do I do know I know very well usually you shouldn't write about shit like that, you know. But I don't know. I've had it on my my idea list from 10 years ago and I'm like I gotta do something oh my god, we're 10 years in the backlog.
Speaker 1:Jesus dude, we got a lot of work like I have, like you know, oh, what about this? What about?
Speaker 2:that idea what does that say? Jungle, jingle, bell rat, I love.
Speaker 1:Jingle Jingle Bell Rat. I love it, Jingle Bell.
Speaker 2:Rat, the Jingle Bell Rat. Yeah, that's good. Did you see the Animated film?
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Did you see the one on Netflix which is like Mr Frosty, where it's like Frosty the Snowman turns into a hot or hot?
Speaker 2:hot Frosty. Oh yeah, no, that's on our list. Yeah, we're definitely watching that soon it's like number one film on Netflix.
Speaker 1:Netflix is going to, we're going to see next year they're going to have five to ten brand new films. I bet you I love it. They're going to compete with Hallmark for Christmas movies starting next year. Oh for sure, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Here's. The thing is like that just prints money. People watch so many Christmas movies during the two months of Christmas. People watch so many Christmas movies during the two months of Christmas. It is absolutely worth it. Free fucking money and the frosty one's got the veterinarian from Schitt's Creek in it.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm so excited about that. All right, well.
Speaker 2:See, I'm being.
Speaker 1:Josh Hartnett. I'm like having no emotions.
Speaker 2:But he's pretending Right. The least you could do is pretend.
Speaker 1:Oh wow Christmas. Oh the guy at the veterinary firm.
Speaker 2:See you again. I feel it. This is Greg. What a day.
Speaker 1:He's hilarious and sexy I love that guy Okay. Tony, you're doing great man, tony, we need another movie because you're going to I think you brought this up you got your work cut out for you, because this trap was a good movie to talk about, I think.
Speaker 2:I think it was great. Well, you brought this up, I think last week or the week before and I was like, yeah, we should probably do it. It's Chris Pine's directorial debut Pool man, pool man.
Speaker 1:You can get Pool man. You should go buy it. Yeah, you can get it. It's on Hulu right now.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's on hulu right now.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'll watch it on there. Yeah, that's why I was like this is the perfect time. It's on streaming. We're talking chan and I are talking about hot men and, uh, you know, I was like, oh, chris pine, you know there's, there's a very, very attractive beautiful and she's like beautiful. I loved it in that, that movie where he like plays the doctor on the island, spider, spider, whatchamacallit. And I'm like that's not chris pine, that's chris hemsworth. She got chris hemsworth and chris pine confused. How can you get those two people confused?
Speaker 2:I mean they don't look anything like, but you know they both are named chris. I'm both named chris. They're both very attractive, so it's tough, it's tough.
Speaker 1:There's the the tony question who's the most attractive? Chris pine, chris hemsworth, chris?
Speaker 2:no evans no, it's pine for me. And here and I will give you my reasoning um, because I like a smart, sarcastic guy and that's like he really fits that chris. Chris hemsworth is like a jovial, funny, you know what I mean. Like he's like, oh life is good, I'm this guy. And then chris evans is kind of like wet tissue baby, I don't. I know you love captain amer. I don't like him, I'm not a fan.
Speaker 2:Greatest superhero of all superheroes, maybe in the comics, not in the movies. Winter Soldier, let me be clear. Great movie. Is there a?
Speaker 2:better Marvel movie than Winter Soldier I like Iron man more than I like Winter Soldier. Oh sure, the original Iron man, I think, is a perfect summer blockbuster. Winter Soldier obviously a very great movie, not really what I would consider a blockbuster, as much as like a really good spy noir, you know, but a little bit bigger. But I just love the mix of comedy and RDJ is that perfect, my perfect sarcastic life sucks but I'm great.
Speaker 1:I love that balance you know anyhow never seen it again. So me never. Never saw that movie again since it came out.
Speaker 2:Iron man never saw it again oh, I've seen it a bunch of times, just a bunch of times. It's great, it's really good. Who do you what's? What's your favorite, chris?
Speaker 1:I mean, if you're talking about sexiest, yeah, chris, by, by a lot yeah but your favorite would be hemsworth or evans I don't have a favorite oh, okay, all right, that's fine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, sexiest, I think that's. I'm personally not even close, so I get it I.
Speaker 1:I think about all their roles, and they all have roles that I love, so I can't have one.
Speaker 2:I could never have one Sure Like Cellular for Chris Evans. That was a good movie.
Speaker 1:Did we do that movie? I don't think so. I don't even know what that is.
Speaker 2:It's an old like. It was probably early 2000s, maybe I don't know. Kim Basinger he answers his phone and she's in trouble and he has to save her, but he's like a beach dude, it was a good movie, fun little thriller. Yeah, you should go watch it, it's fun.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, we're going to be back next week talking about whatever movie. It is that you just said we're doing Cool man, no, pool man. It's going to be funny to see him. It is that you just said we're doing Cool man, cool man, the Cool man, no, pool man, pool man, cool man, it's going to be funny to see him do something terrible, because I just rewatched Dungeons and Dragons.
Speaker 2:It'll be interesting, like a week ago, oh God, that movie's so good, Much better the second.
Speaker 1:I mean I enjoyed it Much better the second time.
Speaker 2:You should try. It's still good.
Speaker 1:I tell you that right now a lot of jokes, a lot of good character stuff. What's her name? Is the, the, the barbarian, she, just everyone she's oh yeah, michelle rodriguez she delivers on every single. She's like you know what I'm gonna do. I don't have a lot of lines in this movie, but every one of them, yeah, I'm gonna deliver knock them out of the park, so you can't give me shit, ever and every.
Speaker 2:Everyone in the movie does that too yeah, no, they're, they're all great, even renee jeanette pagey that son of a bitch is funny in that movie.
Speaker 1:God damn, he's so good he walks over that stupid rock.
Speaker 2:Uh, makes me so mad that it makes me laugh such a good joke oh such a good joke.
Speaker 1:Oh, he takes the baby out of the fish. Oh my God.
Speaker 2:Stupid. I hate him. I hate him so much, but I like him in the movie.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we'll be back talking about Pool Boy. Goodbye everybody. Hey, watch it with Dan and.
Speaker 2:Tony hey, watch it with Dan and Tony. Hey, watching with Dan and Tony, it's like watching.
Speaker 1:Yeah.