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Ever wondered what might happen if an alderman accidentally finds himself in the race for the presidency? On this episode of "Hate Watching with Dan and Tony," we tackle that very scenario as Chris Rock hilariously navigates the political landscape in "Head of State." We kick things off with a bold statement: Bernie Mac steals the show, and we're not even mad about it. Our colorful commentary comes packed with laughs, as we dissect the film’s premise, debating its resemblance to Eddie Murphy's "Distinguished Gentleman" and celebrating the comedic genius of Mac despite his limited screen time.
We're not just here to praise Bernie Mac, though. The film's clunky moments and awkward casting choices, like Robin Givens as Rock's ex-girlfriend, give us plenty to chew on. We poke fun at the movie's love subplot and those bizarre rap interludes that try to bridge the narrative gaps but fall short. There's a playful back-and-forth comparing Chris Rock's comedic chops to Eddie Murphy's, and musings on how “Head of State” attempts to blend satire with slapstick, sometimes missing the mark. Yet, we can't deny the film's entertaining value, especially with memorable scenes like the electric slide and a demo CD joke that still tickles our funny bone.
And just when you think we’re done, we throw a curveball with broader themes of politics and humor. Think about a presidential candidate hopping on a bus without a care in the world. We share our own tales of glancing at Target Tuesdays and the nostalgic dynamics of familial loyalty. As we wrap things up, there's chatter about the show "Detroiters" and a teaser for M. Night Shyamalan's upcoming flick, "Trap." Join us for this rollicking ride through political comedy, where nothing is off the table, and everything is ripe for a laugh.
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Speaker 2:When I put it on YouTube, I get a choice Is this made for kids? And I say no, definitely not made for the children's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a lot of cursing, a whole lot of cursing.
Speaker 2:Mostly from your end, I'm pretty sure.
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Speaker 2:I've never paid attention, I know I curse way more than you cursed I'm a bit of a sailor oh yeah, you're a sailor, dan dan dan the sailing man yo motherfucker, welcome to hate watching with dan and Tony.
Speaker 1:It's Hate Watching yeah, welcome to Hate Watching with Dan and Tony. I'm Dan.
Speaker 2:I'm Tony.
Speaker 1:And we're the dudes that have the tunes about the movies.
Speaker 2:I really thought you were going to land it there. I didn't know where it was going, but I thought it was going to rhyme you into the sea.
Speaker 1:Remember that that was bad. So, yes, each week one of us picks a movie, then we watch the movie, then we talk about the movie, and this week it was Tony's post-Halloween time choice of movies.
Speaker 2:It was my election time. Yes, we were in a political atmosphere and I was like, let's do. Head of State.
Speaker 1:Head of State, chris Rock 2003.
Speaker 2:So political.
Speaker 1:An hour and 35 minutes. I thought I'd seen this movie. I had not seen this movie, okay.
Speaker 2:I had seen this movie because there were parts where I was like I know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was like I have seen this movie and we talked about it. Because I was like I have seen this movie and we talked about it Cause I was like it's that movie where he has the same name as someone and then gets into the government that way. And then I looked at all of Chris and then I looked at this movie and it's like he becomes president and I was like that's not the movie, that's not it.
Speaker 1:That's not the one because he plays a con man in the other movie and I was like I looked at all Chris Rock's movie and I'm like this is not Chris Rock movie. Is this like one of those weird situations where you imagine an entire movie in your mind?
Speaker 2:Sure, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Turns out there was an Eddie Murphy movie. Oh, distinguished gentleman, where he plays an actual con man who has the same name as a Congressman who dies. And then he, he goes there and runs himself and gets into Congress.
Speaker 2:Well, that's a similar type storyline a little.
Speaker 1:Very similar and, as I remember it, much funnier and better than this movie.
Speaker 2:I did not see. Maybe we should do a back-to-backer with this one. Rotten Tomatoes has that at 13 percent dan, so I'm not sure it is better than this it's just well, you know it's eddie murphy playing a con man, and you know it's like it's gonna be entertaining, warm spot in my heart yeah, yeah, yeah, 100.
Speaker 1:I agree and so this movie, basically he, the presidential, one of the presidential candidates dies, and so they pick him, chris rock, an alderman in dc, to run for president.
Speaker 2:He runs for president and he becomes president well, yeah well, the gag is they're picking someone that's going to lose, they think, so that they can set themselves up for the next election where this you know old white guy's gonna run, run, yes, now, what's an alderman? What an alderman. I was going to Google it, but I didn't.
Speaker 1:It's not like a city. Maybe it's a little like a city councilman. It's like an elected position where it's a person that works in an area whatever a constrained area and then they sort of take care of stuff.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, well, he was taking care of stuff, that all checks out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so he, you know he's, he's sort of a, he's sort of an advocate of the people, I think is what you, how you sort of say it okay, sure, an advocate of the people within government and, you know, probably has some small amount of powers, but sure you know probably has to go through a city. Yeah, doesn't have a lot of real powers, but is there to lobby and try and fight for his constituency, stuff and things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, Okay great so you liked this movie. I mean, okay, when I say I enjoyed the movie, I don't think it's a good movie, but I laughed. I laughed a bunch. Oh good, I mean Bernie Mac just slays it's a good movie, but I, you know, I laughed. I laughed a bunch. And oh good, I mean bernie mack just slays this movie every second he's on screen um I'm dying that is the problem.
Speaker 1:The number one problem with this movie is yeah, not enough bernie mack he 100 he delivers his his. When he comes in for the first time and we meet him by far the best scene in the whole movie the train station when he's just walking down slapping people at the?
Speaker 2:I. I've watched it three times. It's he is. Oh, rip, buddy. He was. He was one of the greats.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't really watch his show when it was on because I don't think I was watching a lot of sitcoms, but I've since went back and watched some of them and when you watch an episode of that you're just like wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the guy's got it. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1:It is a tragedy that he is gone. He like of those you know the Kings of Comedy guys, he is gone. He like of those you know the kings of comedy guys.
Speaker 2:He is by far the funniest, by far the most talented and and he's a great actor and so my, my biggest problem with the movie is that when bernie and chris are in scenes together, it's just, it's so one-sided that I'm like you can't hire bernie mack, you, as as Chris rock being as powerful as he is in this movie writer, director, whatever you can't hire Bernie Mac alongside you, cause it makes you look like trash bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think that was if I was going to say what my well, there's my two primary problems with the movie is tone Sure, yeah, that's. Fine. Problems with the movie is tone sure, yeah, that's. And then, um, yeah, chris, chris hasn't reached the point where he will reach with his delivery of comedy. Yeah, and really just his biting point of view that that is devastating. He, he, you know, he throws out lots of good lines and it does, does a thing, but he, you don't feel like there's a guy who is liver, living or dying by those lines. You're just like, yeah, he's throwing them out. And I think Eddie Murphy and his day was a lot stronger with the movies Like from that from that standpoint a hundred percent.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, eddie was great.
Speaker 1:Let's not. Let's not what I don't know. I didn't have a word.
Speaker 2:I couldn't find a word. You know, sometimes you reach for words in your brain and then, like you, just come back with a gobbledygook and you're like I can't even say it because it's so stupid and my brain isn't working. One of them days one of them days.
Speaker 1:One of them days. Yeah, so you know, and that's is this movie. Should it be reviled? No, not at all. You know it's, it's. It's a fine movie. It it clunks along, but it's, you know, what do we have to? Oh no, it's a car. I thought that some gardener was attacking. Yeah it, totally it. It can be incredibly goofy. But then you're like they're trying to say this guy's going to become the president. You're like, yeah, they sort of a lot of this exists in a, in a seemingly real feeling world.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but then a lot of it doesn't Some of the bits are just like they're gigantic bits. I mean the entire running ex-girlfriend bit is nuts.
Speaker 1:Security. I mean, did you know who that was, who was playing his ex-girlfriend? No, should I. I mean, it's Mike Tyson's wife, oh really.
Speaker 2:No, I did not know this.
Speaker 1:That's Robin Givens. I think she was married to Mike Tyson for a hot minute and she was on some TV show like Head of the Class or something, Not Head of the Class.
Speaker 2:She was on a bunch of things I don't know.
Speaker 1:She was on there was like what was the TV? I don't know? She was on the like um, oh god, what was the tv? I don't know? She was on the kids, oh, the lisa bonet tv show. I think she was on that. Lisa bonet had her own tv show where it's like she went to college, I think, you know, sure, because she was on the cosby show, right. So they spun it off and then she went to college and then I think I think robin gibbons got her start there.
Speaker 2:I think I don't know what happened to her after that. After this, probably nothing. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:So yes, head of State, we have the titles. There's Mount Rushmore, we have some guy doing a rap that comes back every once in a while. He's sort of done something I have no idea who it is.
Speaker 2:I almost forgot about this. Yeah, this was weird, right, Like it's a weird way to open the movie. It's like a faux rap video and he does. He comes back and just kind of talks about the movie in his raps and it's really weird.
Speaker 1:In the movie Cat Baloo, a movie you've never heard of, that's for sure. It's a west, for sure it's a western. And they have, like, these two guys that are like banjo players and they're like, and they were there and they, you know, they would kind of bridge the action, you know, and so they come in and they were real comedic banjo, but you know they were, they were.
Speaker 1:They were more real than this guy was. As you know, it didn't have jay-z doing the rap bit and some. Some. Some guy that you know may have had some small amount of success, but I don't think he was maybe, maybe, I don't know it.
Speaker 2:If he did, you know it was, it didn't cross my radar and it's this nice comic interlude break this guy when he appears.
Speaker 1:You're like, oh yeah, that guy, we've seen him before he's still around, all right oh, I thought we were done with that. And he has true kind of white hoochie mamas doing things, so weird it's so weird and what I mean it. Just that's your opening, you know, like that's a and then they sort of do the credit roll, and then the credit roll is like all the politicians of the day.
Speaker 1:It's like, right, bob dole and hillary clinton and rudy giuliani, and you're like all these people are going to be in the movie and then none of them were in the movie they're not.
Speaker 2:They're not at all. So I don't totally understand what happens, uh, but it's great. It's a great way to set up this movie. That is just completely nonsensical. I don't know the rap song. People aren't in the movie. I don't know what's going on for the first six minutes of this film.
Speaker 1:Yes and you're yeah, because you sit there going like all these people are going to be in this and then none of them are in this. You think about later. You think about later. You don't get any laughs out of that In the moment. Yeah, you've set up a joke and then you're unable to pay it off because nothing ever happens to sort of pay that off.
Speaker 2:Fun choice, except the movie ends and you're like oh, that was all a joke. Oh, okay, none of those people are in this movie, okay.
Speaker 1:Thank you. So we meet Chris. He's playing Alderman Mays Gilliam, from District of Columbia, of an unknowable. We don't know if he's a Republican or a Democrat. We're assuming he's a Democrat, but they never use those words.
Speaker 2:They never use the words, but they do use blue and red when they're announcing the states that they've won at the end.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, it's interesting because at the end they're in front of a, they're in like Congress doing the debate, which was very weird.
Speaker 2:And half the people were his, they'd stand up. It was funny.
Speaker 1:But the funny thing was is the Republican-y ones. They're all all wearing red, but all the guys on the other side are kind of wearing striped, striped striped ties. Yep, you know, I don't know. You're just kind of like, why don't you just put them in blue ties? You know well, because that's two on the nose but then in the next scene they did go two on the nose well they do, because, yeah, when they announce like this guy won this, this guy won this, it's definitely red and blue yeah, interesting.
Speaker 1:So there's an old guy in there, he's helping it, he's helping him out and it seems like they're having trouble with the buses and so he's trying to figure out the bus situation in his district and trying to make it so that buses run. And he's like to the dude, I'll drive you if they shut down the buses. I'll drive you to work myself.
Speaker 1:So then he walks out and then does a voiceover about how kind of nasty his neighborhood is, and the one line I wrote down is you know, you're going to get shot While getting shot While, getting shot While getting shot or something like that. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know I mean listen. Yeah, again, there's a lot of nice like one-liners in the movie that make me chuckle.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so the new problem is that there's an old woman whose house is about to be blown up.
Speaker 2:Just demolished. Yeah, yeah, yeah. An old woman whose house is about to be blown up just go demolished. Yeah, yeah, we've got dynamite tnt, whatever you have like. And there's the, the. The quarantine area is so small all of these people are gonna get hit by rubble.
Speaker 1:A hundred percent, yeah, and put up and you know when, really when you blow up a thing, you put up a fence and you do all these things. Well, I guess she was still sleeping in the house, you know, minutes before and there's like a cat in there, right? He sees the cat.
Speaker 2:I mean the cat's in the window, the cat. Everyone could see the cat if they looked. I don't understand what's happening, but they're like, don't worry about it, we're just going to blow up the building. Anyhow, it's fine.
Speaker 1:And of course, their, their countdown machine, which gives him like one minute and one second, like said. You know, it's like oh, it doesn't work, no more.
Speaker 2:Well, he starts it. That's what's. What's weird is he starts it and she's within five feet of the building. He can't start it, but then he can't turn it off. So then Chris Rock runs in and if you time it, we're way over the limit.
Speaker 1:It has to be. I don't know if you noticed, Because he runs in there and they have a casual conversation where they stand next to each other and, like you, know you really?
Speaker 2:got to go. He does like a whole bit yeah, he does an entire bit within the 45 seconds that he would have had. But it's fine and he gets out just in time and he's a hero, I guess.
Speaker 1:He's sort of a hero.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah. What's interesting is like when he's trying to convince them to not blow it up. All he keeps saying is let the woman get her cat, Let the woman get her cat, and there's no jokes, which I found interesting. I feel like there was a place for jokes, but he just kept saying let her get the cat.
Speaker 1:I don't know now, do you think that he sat down and wrote this script, or I do not. Do you think that this script existed? And then he they were like what about this one? And and then he's like okay, I'll take this and I'll rework it so that it's fully me.
Speaker 2:I think it's well, he came up with the idea.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:I saw an interview with him where he said he came up with the idea and it's loosely based on a movie from earlier, like an 80s or 70s or something movie where the same situation happens, but it's not a black person obviously, um, but basically like someone gets nominated because they're going to lose and that'll propel them in the next, so like that. That part of the storyline is something he saw and he was like, oh, what would be interesting is if it was me and anyhow, well so it was his idea.
Speaker 1:I just don't know the thing I read was that it was I don don't remember who it was was running and they picked Geraldine Ferraro, a woman, to be their vice president, because they were so far down. They were like well, maybe this will make the difference.
Speaker 2:Which you know. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:It's a fine comedy premise.
Speaker 2:Sure, sure, yeah, sure, sure, yeah. Also, like, I do feel like it could have made more of a point, you know, had had a slightly more uh, pointed attitude, because I, I don't, I don't feel like we're really making a statement with the movie much no, there's no statement in the movie which is other than how politics works. Sure, or it doesn't, doesn't work, yeah, but I just, you know, I feel like there's more you could do, but also it's a comedy, so it's kind of.
Speaker 1:And that's, I think, when I was talking about the Eddie Murphy movie. I think that's why the Eddie Murphy movie worked a lot better. It's because he gets in as a congressman and they give him the shittiest office and you know, they, they. You understand it more this. The stakes are just so incredibly high that the idea that this guy could win is just like it's well, it's wild and also not to, like you know, talk too much about it.
Speaker 2:But he wouldn't at that time, right.
Speaker 1:No, no, I mean, although Barack Obama was five years later, so not a crazy amount of time.
Speaker 2:No, no, no. It's great, and like it's amazing, the timeline of that right. This comes out three or four years before we elect Obama, which Crazy. Yeah, it's amazing, but I just think that this character wouldn't win over the same people that Barack won over. No, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:No, anyhow, moving on, yeah, you know it's a comedy and that's the thing is. I guess part of me wanted it to be even more broad. Where you're like. You know the broad stuff was really how the whole thing played out. But whatever, you can't go back.
Speaker 2:Well the broad stuff is the best part, Like. My two favorite jokes are Bernie Mac slapping the shit out of people and every ten minutes yelling security and ripping people out of screen. Those are my two favorite bits throughout the movie. It's funny um.
Speaker 1:So it's night time. We hear on the radio that the, the presidential candidate, dies.
Speaker 2:He goes to get which is a great joke, by the way. What?
Speaker 1:was it because there's a jay-z?
Speaker 2:song playing and they cut in and they're like we take you away from this jay-Z song to bring you this update these people are dead. And now back to the Jay-Z song already in progress. It was very funny, it was a wonderful little beat.
Speaker 1:So he has to go get gas, and so he goes to the gas station. Everyone claps for him, and now we meet his paramour of the movie, the girl that works in the convenience store at the gas station.
Speaker 2:Whose name is.
Speaker 1:In the movie. I wrote it down at one point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's okay. I just was realizing I couldn't remember it.
Speaker 1:No, it's very weird. She's very young, yeah, she's very young. She's very young, yeah, she's very young. She seems way too young for him. Sure, she seems very much like just his only real interest in her is that she's very attractive. It feels like, yeah, I don't know, it was weird.
Speaker 2:Okay, no, I mean, of course it's weird. That's hollywood for you, right?
Speaker 1:and then they have to weave this sort of love story into the movie, and I there's another movie called dave, where uh, kevin klein becomes president and then, uh, sigourney weaver plays somebody, and of course the two of them fall in love and you're like, well, that makes sense well, okay, well, now I get it because because this girl's, I guess that my issue is she's not part of the movie, right?
Speaker 2:no, she's totally tangential to the entire plot of the film yes, so.
Speaker 1:so every you know 15 minutes. They have to figure out a way to sort of drag her in and then give them time that they can spend some time alone, and then you know, so you want to romancing the stone works because we have these two opposite people who are forced together, and then they can figure out how they can work together.
Speaker 2:This one's just kind of, and it's also a great movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a great movie, this one. If you were to excise all of that and just add more political humor, it felt like it'd be a better movie.
Speaker 2:Also not a hugely different movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not at all.
Speaker 2:I mean, it doesn't add anything to the plot other than the fact that someone was probably like well, he needs a love story, right.
Speaker 1:I mean it's a comedy movie. He needs a love story you know.
Speaker 2:The truth is, he doesn't, he does. It's the least interesting part of the whole movie yeah.
Speaker 1:So it always feels like you're sort of going back. You know it's like here's another tonal thing, a love story, broad comedy, actual comment on the political system. So you have sort of three prongs and I think each one of them does fine for what it's doing. It's just they don't ever none of them really talk to each other.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, not at all.
Speaker 1:So he sort of hits on her, Tracy Morgan comes in. That was Tracy Morgan, right yeah a young mustachioed, tracy Morgan. Trying to sell used meat. They do a couple of good used meat jokes, yeah pretty good, he comes back at the end too and does a thing.
Speaker 2:And I didn't recognize him that time he's doing the debate with the love interest and one of their friends, or something like that.
Speaker 1:I think there's no. I think in another scene at the end, where he's oh, another one Selling the meat again.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, you got to bring back good gags, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah. So he gets home and there's Robin Gibbons she is his girlfriend and she is leaving him. And there's Robin Givens she is his girlfriend and she is leaving him, and her acting is so over the top. It makes the rest of the movie look grounded and it's so weird, right?
Speaker 2:Because she's in a different movie.
Speaker 1:Even a different movie than the broad comedy.
Speaker 2:Right. Yeah, she's even above and beyond the security bit. Somehow she's so wild in this movie and I don't. Whose fault is that? Because Chris is directing, so is he too afraid to direct her, yes, and be like hey, this is not right, you are on another planet right now and I need you in this zone here. I don't know, I don't know, but it's very strange how out of place she feels.
Speaker 1:And, more importantly, she plays this first scene even harder than every other scene in the movie. So she starts off at the 11, and maybe some of the other ones. She's at an eight and you're like well, but you're still tensed up. From your first appearance of this character, you're like oh ha, ha ha ha, it's wild, it's wild.
Speaker 2:And her laugh in this first scene is almost scary. It's very like witchy.
Speaker 1:So she's tired of being a secretary, be a grown man. And then he thinks about hitting her and he goes and she stops right on the edge.
Speaker 2:Nothing like a good violence on women joke you know, Oof, Oof yeah it's like he doesn't so you know, there you go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he doesn't.
Speaker 2:It's a weird scene. It's a super weird scene, again, something that doesn't need to be in the movie at all.
Speaker 1:So then we meet the dude Bill, are not. Who is the guy who wants to run for president the next time? So he wants to get somebody in there who sucks, but you know is is a placeholder. And then he has his flunkies, deborah, and then other dude who's not Ed Helms that's a.
Speaker 2:That's a mean description, but very accurate, and his name is, of course, dylan baker.
Speaker 1:In real life, his real life name is dylan baker.
Speaker 2:His real life is dylan baker I I I have his imdb pulled up because I was like I've seen this guy all over the place and I just don't know, like, who he is. But yeah, he I mean's everywhere. He does a lot of character work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this guy's been in a million things, yeah good for him. They're all like, eh, eh, eh, they don't know. So boom. Then we cut back to Chris. He lost his car for some reason. Did he lose the car? Did he run out of cans?
Speaker 2:His car gets stolen while he's fighting with the X. They're like fighting fighting, fighting. Car alarm happens. He's like that's my car.
Speaker 1:He looks out the window and they take off with his car.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So he's on a bike, he goes to his office, his alderman office. He's been thrown out of the alderman office. He leaves the bike laying in the road who? I'm a little confused on this part who's who? Evicted him, and why? Oh, because he's not paying the rent. So this isn't like a government office. The alderman probably probably keeps an office, so you know it's like a campaign headquarters kind of thing you gotta pay for your campaign headquarters.
Speaker 2:So yeah, he doesn't get that.
Speaker 1:I did not even know that yeah, yeah, I mean, every time somebody runs for president they set up all the campaign headquarters and usually that makes a difference. But in some elections you just don't really have to do any of those things and people all just show up to vote for the world's most horrible person.
Speaker 2:Stop there, you go not not to talk politics or anything not to talk politics or anything, oh, not to talk politics or anything, oh my God.
Speaker 1:So he just laid down his bike in the road and then the bus runs over the bike, Just runs over the bike. That's pretty funny.
Speaker 2:This poor guy. I mean it's incredible how it worked out and I assume this was just improvised, but it leaves. It drags the whole bike but somehow leaves one of the tires behind so he gets to pick up one of the tires and I was like that's really nice. Yeah, really fun little thing.
Speaker 1:So boom, the people that are picking who's going to be the next person, see him on TV and go. He's our guy, all you know, hero alderman for president. It's also going to be the first minority for president and this movie also has the terrible thing of having, like the throwaway lines like come in from from off screen by you know random characters that we sort of see one time and then sure, yeah. And then the one guy off screen yells how about a cripple? Like you know, they do a couple of cripple jokes you know Of course.
Speaker 1:FDR famously in a wheelchair.
Speaker 2:What was that polio?
Speaker 1:Is that what that was? Polio yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, tough stuff.
Speaker 1:Tough stuff and the stories of how they sort of played around that and, you know, shot him certain ways.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know marketing right.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Or PR, PR right.
Speaker 1:PR Puerto Ricans. And then you know the whole premise being just don't have this guy, embarrass us, let's see. Oh, so we go back to the may. He made the mayor look bad, so that's that's why he's, he's kind of in the shits, um, I guess, so yeah, and then he makes the joke even puff, daddy wears a suit to court.
Speaker 2:you're like, oh, yepailed that on the head, huh.
Speaker 1:So then he leaves. He's walking, it's raining, he looks through the window, there's his ex eating with another guy, and then here they come to pick him up in the limousine to take him away, him finding out that he is going to be the next presidential candidate, and there's a series of jokes. President of what? Yeah?
Speaker 2:yeah, president, of what the?
Speaker 1:United States, the United States of what?
Speaker 2:Of what Of?
Speaker 1:America. It was good which.
Speaker 2:America. Yeah, which America?
Speaker 1:And he immediately has a flash and it's him getting shot.
Speaker 2:Getting assassinated? Oh no, and we hit that a couple times.
Speaker 1:Yeah and boom. Now he's the guy. We, you know, we see the. We do the newsweek magazine, ebony magazine, there was one. There were three magazines, none did they have jokes in them. I didn't know.
Speaker 2:No, no, I don't think, because one of them was like is america ready? One of them was are we ready? And then I don't remember what the third one was. I didn't think they were jokes.
Speaker 1:It's like if you're going to be playing a broad comedy you've got to make those jokes. You've got to make those jokes hard. This has to be airplane level jokes.
Speaker 2:Because sometimes it is, sometimes it is, there are a couple sprinkled in and it's like you have to decide where you want to be, because right now they feel a little out of place in the movie. But I would love that movie. That's the movie I would rather see.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it should just be like pandemonium weirdness and you're just like what the heck? You know it's another world. Yeah, he gets, goes to the campaign office. They, they play his first commercial. He's not even in the commercial.
Speaker 2:And it's all white people. I don't know if you noticed that. Yeah, of course, but Mark McGuire's in it, and that hit my nostalgia button real hard. I had Mark McGuire on my wall growing up. Oh oh, how does that feel now? That's what I'm saying, like it's, you know, tarnished dreams, cheaters. You're a terrible person, tony. Well, I was, and, honestly, had I known that he was, you know, cheating, I probably would have done it too, because it would have been cool. I'd be like look at this guy kicking ass, I'll take a couple of roids, no big deal.
Speaker 1:I don't think that's how you take it.
Speaker 2:Tony, I don't know anything about steroids.
Speaker 1:I think they're injected into your butt.
Speaker 2:Oh well then I wouldn't have done it. I have a fear of needles. It's fine.
Speaker 1:All right, so he meets his people. He's got Mr Earl security guy.
Speaker 2:And then there's Nikki oh boy.
Speaker 1:This is the part of the movie that you're just like huh, what are we doing here? She's his executive assistant, but she's also a super whore.
Speaker 2:We've trained our own army of super whores.
Speaker 1:And so I don't know what this is about. I don't know what this is about. Well, he tells you what it's about Dan.
Speaker 2:He says we're tired of sex scandals so we just give you a whore. I don't know, I don't Listen, I don't get it. And then later they give her this backstory of being an actress, which is weird, like it made me chuckle, but at the same time it's like you. What is the comment you're making about the industry? A lot of weird stuff going on with this character who again does nothing for the plot, uh, does very few jokes why?
Speaker 1:why is it even in the movie? Get it out of there. It's a weird throwaway for a couple of bits and you're just like and then you have to have this person standing around, who we, none of us, want standing around right, a hundred percent.
Speaker 2:Also, this reminds me we didn't even talk about, because we probably shouldn't, but when they're picking chris rock out of a bunch of people they're going over other like senators or congressmen that they might pick and he's like so and so not little boys, so and so little girls, so Little girls, so-and-so Big boys. I was like what? Just a bunch of like pedophile jokes? What are we doing here?
Speaker 1:I thought we had the super horse, but I guess once you get past that stuff then you get the superhero comes in Exactly, exactly he cleans it up.
Speaker 2:A lot of sensitive jokes there.
Speaker 1:So, oh, lisa, that's the name of the girl that he's courting. Oh, lisa, great, we do not use that name often, yeah for sure. The fake Ed Helms guy. I don't think I ever wrote his name down.
Speaker 2:I do not remember a point at which they said his name. I got nothing. I don't even know Deborah Yep. I don't even know Debra Yep. I don't even know Chris Rock's name.
Speaker 1:Mays.
Speaker 2:Willie, willie Mays, because they make that joke in the movie.
Speaker 1:That's the only.
Speaker 2:Yep, you're right.
Speaker 1:Mays Gilliam, they do an okay job of saying his name. They say his name a fair amount of times?
Speaker 2:No, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1:We see it regularly on posters. So he goes to his first fundraiser meeting people meet the union guys, which kind of is a plot point. Then he sees a girl doing drinks across the room and realizes it's Lisa girl. Like from behind which this girl? There is nothing unique about her to make you realize who it is from across the room.
Speaker 2:Not even for a second.
Speaker 1:Across the room from behind. You know, it's just like she just has. You know shoulder, you know a little bit longer hair, dark hair, yeah, that's it, nothing else um, he goes.
Speaker 2:I want to say one bit that I really like. When he's entering the room and people are like saying hi to him, uh, a gentleman comes up with a demo CD. He's like get my demo to somebody, anybody. That made me laugh a lot.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:There's some good jokes in here, Dan. I had a good night.
Speaker 1:Oh, tony had a good night. So she's working there doing things and he's like let's dance. She does not react to him, as if he has just become the presidential nominee there's no recognition at no point does she go. Does that become an aspect of their relationship? She's just like so weird. You're just like another guy from around the way. It's like huh, what are you talking?
Speaker 2:about? No, he's the president-elect.
Speaker 1:I don't know if that's right.
Speaker 2:Is that what it's called?
Speaker 1:No, he's a presidential candidate.
Speaker 2:Not yet.
Speaker 1:Later on, he's elected the truth of the matter is no matter however far he goes past this. His entire trajectory of life has changed completely, even if he only gets 1% of the vote 100%, because now you're associated with it.
Speaker 2:You were the face of the presidential race in 2004.
Speaker 1:You've moved into an elite location. That.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Not to her. She doesn't care, she doesn't care.
Speaker 2:She don't give two nickels, you know.
Speaker 1:But I guess that's the thing. It's not that she just doesn't care, she just doesn't even acknowledge it. It'd be another thing if she'd be like, that doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 2:You it. It'd be another thing if she'd be like that doesn't mean any, you know, if she was sure the status doesn't matter to me. But instead she just treats him the exact same the whole time, never mentions it, so it's fine. It's very, very weird. So that is weird.
Speaker 1:They start to dance and then she's feeling it, and then the entire group is doing the electric slide, even white people on the stairs, which is what a weird scene.
Speaker 2:Entire group is doing the electric slide, even white people on the stairs, which is what a weird scene. Yeah, I mean, listen, it got me one of my favorite jokes of the movie.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Which is Chris Rock going up to a gentleman and being like. You know the dance. Get out there and do it. And then this might be the first slap of the movie. He slaps the dude, but he just slaps the shit out of him and the guy just starts doing it with a smile on his face. It's a good bit. It's a good bit, uh, but I don't. Why is everybody doing the electric slide to a?
Speaker 1:I don't know it's weird man it's very weird. Then he's up there, djing, and then he goes the roof, the roof, the roof is on fire and everyone's like fire, and then they all leave, you know flee and dare, which is did you laugh at that?
Speaker 2:did you think that was funny? I thought it was clever. Okay, I didn't find that funny until they're walking outside afterwards him in and the love interest and a guy, one of the old white men, comes up and he's like what a great night, too bad about the fire, and then walks up. That's a good way to cap that joke that I was like that's a little weird, but no, they stuck the landing.
Speaker 1:He tries to get a kiss out of the girl, she shuts him down and then his handlers come over there and they're all, they're very angry because, yeah, they think it was a disaster. They think it was a disaster and this is. This is one of the things is this movie has not written the handlers trajectory For sure. Because, because one scene they'll be like we're not happy with what's happening, and the next scene they're like dude, did you have this?
Speaker 2:we're having a great time yeah, and you need to.
Speaker 1:You need to build in that trajectory because that's because that's the only trajectory you really have in this movie is yes is how how he has to go on, his which is figuring out. He has to speak his mind and then they have to realize that his is the right way to do it and go back to him and apologize.
Speaker 2:But also we also have the layer of them being double agents, which we don't really let them do no Like. When they're with Chris Rock, they seem to just be with Chris Rock. There's no underpinning of well. We also need him to lose, but we need him to do good enough that we're not embarrassed.
Speaker 1:Like they should have a lot to do and they don't. If you spent less time on the girlfriend and spent more time on what's actually happening, sure. And if the whole thing had been about him falling in love with the Deborah character, which was I was like. Well, that's of course what the plot is.
Speaker 2:Well, it's not Dan, it's not Surprise, it's not Dan, it's not Surprise, it's not at all Gotcha.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's like okay, so yeah, and then Robin Givens X shows up, and then this is the point where we start the running gag, where she shows up and is like oh, we're getting married. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2:And then he just yells security and a hand comes in, wraps her mouth and yanks her off like the old hook. The old hook, ay, ay ay.
Speaker 1:So it's nine weeks ago. He's down, it's 91 to 9. He goes to the milk people and says milk is great. He goes to the church people says church is great. He goes to Dallas and he does the deep in the heart of Texas, the. Texas and they just go crazy, which I guess he stole from the Pee Wee Herman movie.
Speaker 2:Oh really, yeah, they said that at some point. Oh really, that's funny. Can you imagine this campaign with social media? If he just went and said the exact same thing to every group and you could see it on social media, it would never work. Times are way easier.
Speaker 1:Yeah, everything worked back then. Everything Would never work. Times are way easier. Yeah, everything worked back then. So he wants to talk about relevant things and they're like no, the polls say you got to do this. So he goes to Chicago, where his brother is, and boom, in comes Bernie Mac.
Speaker 2:Finally got Bernie Mac.
Speaker 1:This was my first real laugh of the movie. He punches him in the back.
Speaker 2:Who punches first? One of them punches first. Bernie Mac does, no, no, no, chris Rock does, because he hides behind the door as Bernie enters and just sucker punches him. It's great.
Speaker 1:And he's in bail bonds and he's just great he's in bail bonds and he's just great he's. You know he, he gives him, you know, this little speech. It's just like you got to go out there and speak your mind and you know you get.
Speaker 2:I got the feels I'm like this is this is such a good scene Cause he's good, he's just he's. He elevates this movie to a place that it really doesn't deserve to be in my mind. Yeah, I mean, I still like the movie. Let me be clear, sure, but when he's on screen it's like, oh shit, look at this, Look at this guy, he's a movie star and he has a great line at the end of this, when the two helper people think that he's joking, that he's in bail bonds, and he's like no, no, no, I'm a bail bonds. Thank god for crime. It's a great, it's a wonderful life, especially when we then make him the vp candidate later. Yeah, it's like they need to hit more that he loves crime, like we should really be hitting that harder yeah, you could have people showing up that he's, you know, still doing that job.
Speaker 1:There's all sorts of jokes you can write but whatever, uh. So he goes out there and you know, know, got to give his speech and he does the whole. I'm not going to give the speech, I'm going to talk about having two jobs. That ain't right. And you know, does the whole sort of inspiring speech, yeah, which?
Speaker 2:was good. It was great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's really nice. And then he gets off and Debra's like this is not your campaign.
Speaker 1:and then it becomes his campaign and he starts wearing yeah he starts wearing, you know, very uh, urban, whatever he wants, urban clothing it's it's pretty funny because they start with the most extreme urban clothing and then it just gets tamer and tamer, you know, until it's quite normal. He's like they take down the Reagan poster and put up an Allen Iverson poster. They get rid of the white security guard, ai, and then he gets kind of a whatchamacallit, a Nation of Islam kind of guy. He goes and talks about gay rights, he goes to the players ball Right, yeah, yes, and where are we at now? Gets off a plane to a drum line.
Speaker 2:Drum line like Nick Cannon. I don't remember that. Remember that movie. I love that movie. It's a great movie.
Speaker 1:That movie is a great movie. First, that movie. I love that movie. It's a great movie. That movie is a great movie. First of all music in that movie unbelievable, unreal, unbelievable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, so good.
Speaker 1:And you know it's a really classic movie. You know he starts out, you know thinking he's the greatest thing. He gets beat down and then they come back and do the whole stripes thing where they put on the great performance at the end. That works great. Oh yeah, there's not a lot of movies that can pull off that final great performance, right oh for sure. Napoleon Dynamite Stripes. You didn't like Napoleon Dynamite, you didn't like his dance.
Speaker 2:I am not a Napoleon Dynamite fan.
Speaker 1:God you're such a loser. This is not my shared experience.
Speaker 2:Give me a gosh. Darn quesadilla Stupid movie.
Speaker 1:So we meet the other guy that he's against. It's sort of a Southern guy named Brian Lewis Maze is up 15 points and so this is a really To me this is a really funny scene, yeah okay, because he doesn't know who maze is yeah, who is this?
Speaker 2:I'm running against me. He doesn't even remember that the guys are dead. It's, it's good, it's it's really funny. They died in a plane crash. It was all over the news, not my news. I mean, oh, it's good, it's a really nice scene.
Speaker 1:And so then he starts making ads where it's, just like you know, the White House blowing up, blowing up.
Speaker 2:So listen, I get that we're just doing it for comedic effect, but that's dumb, that's really dumb.
Speaker 1:You don't remember because you're young.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 1:Way, way, way back when, even before I was around, this guy named barry goldwater ran right and I think it was nixon. Nixon was running against him sure, sure nixon like made this. I think it's called like the dandelion ad, where it's like a tv spot, you know, 30 second and it's just like a kid blowing a dandelion and then it's like you know it cuts to like nuclear explosion, it's like gold water you know it's.
Speaker 2:It's just like that's what the, that's what the okay so I'm sure they're playing from from real life experience and I just you know I didn't get it, I guess, well, all right.
Speaker 1:I mean the thing is, is this movie was what? 2003? So it's 20 years ago. And so then talking about stuff that happened, you know, 30 years before, that still sort of makes sense, but now you're 50.
Speaker 2:I'm a whole lifetime removed from that.
Speaker 1:You know, the jokes that they made 20 years ago are already dating themselves in some cases.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's true. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1:But okay. So Mace doesn't want to go negative. He instead goes and throws out a first pitch. He goes to the NBA, he does wrestling yeah, pretty good they make another ad about him. This is the one I like, where it says that he is for cancer. He didn't go to like some cancer fundraiser and he's like mazes for cancer and it works. Everyone's mad at him, which is really funny and so then he comes up with the idea of he needs to do the Bugs Bunny defense, which is to kiss Lewis.
Speaker 2:Yeah Right, I didn't get it.
Speaker 1:Now did he already pick his brother to be the?
Speaker 2:No. Because he doesn't do that until after he breaks up with the two helper people.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, so he. So the Bugs Bunny defense is that he makes an Osama bin Laden ad where Osama bin Laden is like I'm Osama bin Laden and I'm going to vote for.
Speaker 2:I love this guy I love Brian Lewis.
Speaker 1:You're like that's going negative. That's not the Bugs Bunny defense.
Speaker 2:No, that's about as negative as you can get, really.
Speaker 1:So the guy he's against is Sharon Stone's cousin, and so after he runs the Osama bin Laden ad.
Speaker 2:I like that bit as well.
Speaker 1:The dude loses Sharon Stone. Sharon Stone unendorses him. So you're all like oh things are happening, but that was a good bit. That's your tenuous connection.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's got a little nepotism to it. Yeah, it's nice. I you know that's your weird tenuous connection. Yeah, he's got a little nepotism to him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's nice, I'm Sharon Stone's cousin. So Gilliam is now he's at 30 points and, yes, they're getting angrier. And then he's supposed to meet with this one guy, chester Norris, who's a malt liquor guy and he won't take his money. Esther Norris, who's a malt liquor guy, and he won't take his money. And we do this whole baby nipple on a malt liquor bottle bit. That's just so weird.
Speaker 2:Well, it's called. What is it? Crib liquor or something like that. It's for children. There's nipples on the bottle.
Speaker 1:And there is. I mean it's ridiculous, but it got me, got me good then we do a whole thing with the, with the nikki, the sex person, and then they're on the bus for the first time and we're like has he? And she offers him. She's like you haven't had sex with me and I'm here for you to have sex with and he's all like you seem like a nice girl.
Speaker 2:But I'm in love with somebody else, yeah, why? I don't get it. This scene is not particularly funny. It's not funny at all. I don't really understand. I don't know, I don't get it.
Speaker 1:It was a baffling scene, a truly baffling scene. Is it just a little wish fulfillment there? I don't know, I don't know, is it?
Speaker 2:just a little wish fulfillment there. I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know, it's weird.
Speaker 2:I don't know either. It doesn't fit in the movie. I mean I think it was trying to address some of the Bill Clinton stuff probably. I assume, I mean, yeah, I don't know. We'll have to ask Chris when we have him on the show. He's going to be like shut up jerks, shut up you idiots. Have you written a movie?
Speaker 1:Okay, so that happens. So then he goes and he picks up his girlfriend with the bus, and then they have a nice date and they almost kiss. But then something happens in Florida? Yeah, and.
Speaker 2:Secret Service pulls their guns on them. I was confused.
Speaker 1:Oh, because he took the bus without permission. I guess that's what they said, I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's his bus, man.
Speaker 1:They said he took the bus without permission. You're kind of like wouldn't somebody know? You know, if your candidate and your bus disappear, Wouldn't you kind of notice that happening?
Speaker 2:But also isn't somebody watching the bus? I don't know. Isn't somebody watching the bus? I don't know. Isn't somebody watching Chris? I'm a little confused. He's got Secret Service on him for sure. I'm going to tell you something, tony. Do they get Secret Service before they're president? Oh, absolutely. Oh. See, there you go. What are you going to tell me?
Speaker 1:Don't you remember all the people that tried to kill Trump? There's tons of the secret security around him.
Speaker 2:That's a that is a great point, and so recent that I'm embarrassed that I didn't even realize what I'm talking about I'm gonna tell you something tony about vehicles.
Speaker 1:Oh okay, they typically need a key to operate sure keys are good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, but yeah, he could. You could uh what's it called when you put the thing in the Hotwire, the bus. You gotta hotwire it. There you go.
Speaker 1:So you think, to take his girl on a bus trip, he hotwired his own bus.
Speaker 2:He's just in there flicking those wires together, twisting them up. Got the bus.
Speaker 1:And the whole. I guess they're doing this to set up that he's going to drive the bus later. Because you're like Because he can drive the bus.
Speaker 2:Tony how easy it is to is it to drive a bus? I have never driven a bus, but I drive a little car and one and I, and then sometimes I drive a big van, a big cargo van for work, and the difference between those two things is drastic. So then, getting into a bus that's four times the size of that, I'm running over shit all the time. I'm not turning right. I'll tell you that right now, because I'll cut that curb by 15 feet.
Speaker 1:That's not the problem with driving a bus? What's the problem Driving buses and commercial vehicles? Yeah, the A class. They don't work the same. You don't just push down on the pedal and it goes forward. You got to like there's all sorts of crazy gearing and all sorts of stuff that you have to do absolutely correctly or you're not going anywhere, Sure.
Speaker 2:Well, there you go.
Speaker 1:You know, don't write your movie like this.
Speaker 2:Don't do it, guys, don't do it.
Speaker 1:So they have to go to Florida. Everyone has to go, all the candidates have to go to Florida, because kids had explosives in a school or guns or something yeah, something yeah. And then he sort of fails at giving a good quote. And then the other guy shows up and he gives a great quote and he says the children are hurting. And then he says his, his best line, god bless america, and nowhere else he hits that.
Speaker 1:Yeah a couple times he hits that a few times for the rest of the movie and you're just like, yes, after what we've just gone through, you're like, oh my god, this this is where.
Speaker 2:This is where we're at yeah, yeah, that was again. This is 20 years ago and uh, just nail on the head nothing nothing ever changes is the thing, you know.
Speaker 1:We, we all think that the world progresses, and in some ways it does, but people don't change some it doesn't. People are exactly the people. That are people and they keep being people. People are going to do people things. That's what we are. People are going to do things against their own best interest because someone has convinced them that it's not against their own best interest.
Speaker 2:We'll find out. I believe a lot of things. I was actually talking to someone at work the other day. Oh no, and he's like, oh no like kids believe all sorts of things. I was like, yeah, they're kids, they're like we, we, we believe things that people tell us it's just, it's human nature. You know what I mean like critical thinking overrated critical thinking is overrated, well overrated.
Speaker 1:Critical thinking is overrated, overrated, dan.
Speaker 2:That's why commercials work. You know, if I was smarter, I wouldn't go out to the store and buy brand cereal just because I see a commercial for Count Chocula. During Halloween. You know what I mean. There's knockoff cereals that are half the price. I could just buy those. I don't do it because I want Count Chocula.
Speaker 1:No, no, it tastes the same. I could just buy those. I don't do it because I want Count.
Speaker 2:Chocula, no, no, tastes the same. I mean, I never really bought the knockoff brand cereals. Oh, yeah, yeah of course I'm a brand cereal guy, Dan. I don't do knockoff cereals.
Speaker 1:Well, no, no, no, no. What I'm saying is maybe some replicate okay, but most of them do not replicate okay. Interesting I eat the Honey Nut Cheerios. I love Honey Nut Cheerios, I like. Honey Nut Cheerios If you got the generic equivalent, it would not taste like Honey Nut Cheerios.
Speaker 2:Sure yeah.
Speaker 1:Sometimes I get the equivalent at Trader Joe's Okay yeah, not the same. Not even close. It is not as enjoyable. I mean probably the cheerios are killing you 10 times faster, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2:But um they're heart healthy.
Speaker 1:I've seen the commercials you see what I'm saying, dan? Yes, but I mean they're those food laboratories that the big companies have. They're better than the food laboratories that the other people have, and and sure it is apparent in the taste of things well, I guess there you go. Yeah, I didn't know I didn't know that you should shut up and support your cat chocolate did you.
Speaker 2:Thank you, brand cereals, let's go.
Speaker 1:Kellogg's did you get some cow chocolate? Did they have it at your grocery store?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, uh, boo berry, cow chocolate yeah, I love them all. Did you get the new, the new ghoul girl, the green one Count Chocula? Did they have it at your grocery store? Yeah, yeah, booberry Count Chocula yeah, yeah, I love them all?
Speaker 1:Did you get the new Ghoul Girl, the green one?
Speaker 2:No, no, we didn't Did you see I didn't even know it was a thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I saw them at our grocery.
Speaker 2:I blew it.
Speaker 1:They've had them at our grocery store on Halloween, which is very surprising, not on the cereal aisle.
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 1:They have like a special little thing that's set up in the back.
Speaker 2:See, I can't. I go certain places. I know where things are, I get them, I get out.
Speaker 1:I don't want to wander around a grocery store. Do you get them at Target or do you get them at the grocery store?
Speaker 2:No, we get them at Target. Oh Target, I pretty much get everything from Target that I can. I love Target. If Target would sponsor this podcast, I would love it. Target's the best place in the world.
Speaker 1:Do you do your grocery shopping at Target?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Grocery shop at Target. Buy things from my car at Target. Cleaning supplies Target. Video games Target, Everything's Target. Wow, yeah, that's some brand loyalty going on over there. Well, it started a long time ago. My mom and I we used to do Target Tuesdays, which is just on Tuesdays. That's when the new movies would release. So we would go to Target every Tuesday, buy new movies and then get all the rest of the stuff we need for the week as well.
Speaker 1:See, those were good days. We should probably rename this show Mama's Boys. The Mama's Boys, because that's what we have in common. Amen to that, nothing else. Um. So so the bad, the, the, not the. The bad guy that wants to eventually be presidential nominee gets an incriminating quote of him which he said on an open mic, and.
Speaker 2:I don't be careful.
Speaker 1:Did you even understand what the quote was?
Speaker 2:Something to the effect of you know they're living in dangerous times. If I was a kid, I'd probably have a gun too, or something like that, or explosives too.
Speaker 1:He basically was not explosives. I don't think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I think so, yeah. So you know whoops.
Speaker 1:So they've got this, they immediately start using that. They also say he's also friends with a drug lord, because at the beginning of the movie he said hello to a drug dealer.
Speaker 2:You can't say hello to people. Let that be a lesson to all of us.
Speaker 1:So then they start doing negative press.
Speaker 2:So his campaign starts doing negative press about the other guy. I think Seems like that's correct, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then on the bus Debra tells him the truth that you were only picked because you're supposed to lose. Then she calls him the N-word and it's very uncomfortable and he throws her off the bus and then they drive for a block or two and then Ed Helms' character her off the bus. And then then they drive for a block or two and then the Ed Helms character gets off the bus too.
Speaker 2:I love that he just called me an Elms character. What's weird is that then they cut to the next scene, like there's a next scene, basically, yeah, and the woman that he kicks off the bus is already back in some sort of a house thing watching the television, yeah. And then they cut to the end helps, guy. And he's still like trying to hitchhike across the country and I was like what's happening.
Speaker 1:She. She is the person he should not have fired, because she's that's right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1:Yep, yep um, he calls the girlfriend and, like you know, pours out his, his problems and she's all like, let me tell you the horse race analogy. I'm like, wow, this movie's second, second analogy time, and pretty good horses. They put blinders on the horses so the horses can run. Very so.
Speaker 1:I'm not, I didn't know that was that was true, I don't know yeah, well, you put blinders on a horse so they're not distracted by what goes on. And they're not, you know. Sure, because that's the thing with horses is you have different kinds of horses. I think I watched a thing a little bit about horse racing one time and there's some horses that, like you know, you kind of want them to be a little bit back and then at a certain point they're like okay, now I'm making, because you don't run all horses with blinders, I think just some horses you run with blinders. I think, oh, interesting, okay, yeah, because some horses they need to be challenged, or some horses just need to be in the horse zone.
Speaker 2:Every horse is different. It would worry me that you'd run into other horses if you have blinders on.
Speaker 1:You, every horse is different.
Speaker 2:It would worry me that you'd run into other horses. If you have blinders on, you have a jockey. He's in charge. I know that there's a jockey, but I guess I don't know how much control you have over a horse.
Speaker 1:I've never been on a horse because I don't believe in it. I mean, they're real, tony, they're horses, they're real.
Speaker 2:No, I believe in horses. I don't believe in me riding a horse, because why would I put an animal through such cruelty? I'm a big guy. That horse would be pissed the whole time. He's like what is on top of me right now.
Speaker 1:Get him off. It's a relationship the cowboy and his horse.
Speaker 2:It's a beautiful thing and that's why I'm trying to be nice to my horse and not saddle him down.
Speaker 1:So Ed Helms, he goes back and says I'm trying to be nice to my horse and not, you know, saddle him down.
Speaker 2:So Ed Helms, he goes back and says I'm sorry and I want to help, yeah, yeah. And then he was like who are you going to get to run? Because it has to be someone you trust. And then the movie finally begins.
Speaker 1:We're running out of time. And so he picks his brother, Bernie Mac, to be his running mate.
Speaker 2:Bernie Mac shows up at the train station and slaps special interest people, just a ton of people on the way out, just walking down the train track, slapping people.
Speaker 1:It's great Bernie Mac goes on offense. And then they are going to try to get the debate, because the debate's their way to win. They start pursuing Lewis showing up everywhere. Tell this joke that your mama's got such a big butt that when she sits down she's two feet taller. I think it's the joke. And then they show Lewis's mom and she has this giant beard.
Speaker 2:And she's a huge ass. It's so weird. It made me, it made me laugh. I'll tell you that right now. But uh, yeah, I mean it's good because there's a whole setup. Obviously that joke is the setup first, but then also his second in command, the, the republican guy is is like, well, you have to debate him now why? Because he came after your mother who cares? And then the mom comes in and slaps him and it's just, it's a real, it's a tight two minutes. I'll tell you that it's very crazy.
Speaker 1:So there's going to be one debate. It's going to be the night before the election.
Speaker 2:Which is okay. Too late guys.
Speaker 1:That's way too late, Bernie Mac's, you're not ready. And then they have a giant fight which ends in him throwing Chris through a table. Chris is just lying there like he's seriously injured.
Speaker 2:It was very funny. Yeah, it's great. I'm telling you, when Bernie Mac is on the screen, it's a totally different movie and it's great.
Speaker 1:And then, for some reason, right at the end of that fight, he's like I'm going to tell mom, and I was just like you better not tell. I was like, if you're going to say that you have to bring in the mom, and it has to be like it has to be. Bernie Mac dressed up as a woman. There has to be like it has to be.
Speaker 2:Bernie Mac dressed up as a woman. There has to be something completely absurd with that. They don't. They cut away.
Speaker 1:They cut away.
Speaker 2:So then he calls Debra to apologize to her. Yeah, what Weird. I have no idea. Nope, nope, that should be the other way around. Right there, my friend.
Speaker 1:She said very vicious, very hard words, was completely betrayed and the only thing he did was throw her off the bus.
Speaker 2:In the middle of nowhere, Literally the only thing he did was throw her off the bus, yeah, I know, it's weird.
Speaker 1:They had cell phones back then and she got back to her apartment very easily.
Speaker 2:Just fine, she was totally fine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we've got the team back and the Nation of Islam security guard is gone and the weird bald white guy is back.
Speaker 2:I'm like I don't understand.
Speaker 1:Why did we take that guy back?
Speaker 2:I didn't get it either. I don't know.
Speaker 1:The team is back, they talk about guns, the ex shows up, I think, and they get rid of her. And then we do the debate.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, we skipped over real quickly that I just want to bring back. My favorite joke of the whole movie was bernie mack. Okay, he's on the talk show.
Speaker 1:He did a couple of talk shows in the midst couple of talk shows and they're.
Speaker 2:it's a really great string of scenes, but one of them he's talking. The talk show host asked him about nato. Oh yeah, bernie, bernie Mac starts talking about some guy he knows named Nato Jacobs. Yeah, and it's just a wonderful, like a weird clash and he's like what you know, nato Jacobs? I don't know Nato, you don't know Nato. Listen, bernie Mac is great. I just I miss him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's truly, truly sad. Yeah. So the other dude gives his speech and then Gilliam gets to go, mays gets to go and he talks about Martin Luther King and talent and I'm real America, I've smoked, I've robbed, I've been broke. Does he think about big-titty women?
Speaker 2:If America was a woman? Oh, a big-tittied woman, and everybody loves a big-titted woman.
Speaker 1:Weird, it was a weird, that was a weird joke uh, he says everybody's full of shit, I think, or no?
Speaker 2:yeah, full. He says the other guy's full of shit the other guy's specifically, and he's all.
Speaker 1:And then the first next line is because what's his name would say God bless America, no place else. He said how about God bless Haiti? And you're like oh yeah, and there's some more countries, and then everybody claps and everybody's super happy.
Speaker 2:He had one joke in there that I really liked, which was knock out your kids. Oh yeah, I don't remember how it comes up, but he's like how are you supposed to teach these kids? My dad used to knock me out. Knock out your kids. It helps Funny. Wouldn't play very well today, I assume.
Speaker 1:No, I don't think you'd want to phrase it that way nowadays, but funny. It's the next day he's sleeping in. The girlfriend calls him to wake him up and she says I'm so proud of you what you did last night.
Speaker 2:Mr President, and that's how you know he won.
Speaker 1:No, he hasn't won yet. This is the election day. No, that's not yet.
Speaker 2:Oh, I thought he already won.
Speaker 1:This is election day. The debate was the night before election day. Why'd you call him Mr?
Speaker 2:President, then I don't know, because she's proud. Yeah, it's confusing.
Speaker 1:Because she wants him to, because he became presidential in that moment. Okay, I'll buy it Now, she finally gives a shit.
Speaker 2:Thanks. She finally recognizes that he's running for president now.
Speaker 1:So he's supposed to go and meet with the Teamsters, as if getting their endorsement on the day of the election is going to make that huge difference.
Speaker 2:It's going to help.
Speaker 1:But instead he goes back to the his district where that old man at the beginning who was going to need a bus ride is going to get a bus ride, and he bus rides everybody. And then we do the state, state, state, state, state, and then it's all comes down to California.
Speaker 2:Now has California been red. In the past I thought California was pretty stoutly blue.
Speaker 1:I mean California might have voted for Reagan, but not since then.
Speaker 2:I guess that makes sense.
Speaker 1:I don't think I don't. I guess that makes sense. I don't think I don't think. Um, yeah, bill, the guy who wants to be president the next time meets with Lewis and then they're going to work together. And so then they do something to make an entire neighborhood of suburban whites run out of their houses.
Speaker 2:Which was a funny scene, was it? I mean it's funny because it's like we have to let them know we think a black person's going to get into the White House and then they cut to hundreds of white people running out of their homes going to vote. Yeah, but I didn't do anything, so I didn't. I don't understand it because he just then wins, right, yeah, yeah, like it doesn't get close. As far as I can tell, the race doesn't like get closer or anything. There's no recounts. I don't know, he just wins.
Speaker 1:So what's the point? He just sort of wins. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was very weird and everybody cheers I do think he should have lost, but of course he should have lost for the movie yeah, because winning you're just like oh he, just he, just because that's the thing, he just wins, he gives he gives a big speech and then he just wins and yeah, I don't know, yeah, it was weird.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. Because was he the best? You know what is? What is that actually? That says that america is correct and knows what it's doing, and Right, yeah.
Speaker 2:It rarely does that, I guess the political system isn't broken, it's just our candidates, something like that maybe, I don't know yeah.
Speaker 1:So he marries his girlfriend, and that's the end of the movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know a totally fine way to spend 90 minutes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, should anybody be put to death for this movie? Probably not.
Speaker 2:Probably not. Hey, listen, it's free. I mean not free, but it's streaming on Paramount+. So if you already paid for that, you can watch it for free, easy peasy.
Speaker 1:And it feels like maybe Robin Givens put her own career to death with this movie.
Speaker 2:Maybe, yeah, and Chris Rock doing fine, of course. Yeah, yeah, you know nothing, but up from here, I assume.
Speaker 1:I have to assume he's got a comedy special in the works one of these days. I'm ready for that Sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:So that was what, was it? Head of State.
Speaker 2:Head of State. Not the best choice, you know.
Speaker 1:You know? Yeah, it would have been more like real life if he lost.
Speaker 2:Yeah for sure, 100%, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I feel like you would have been able to put a stamp on the statement you're making. You know what's going on over here, mr killer. Oh boy, I'm ready. Why do you have winter gloves in california? Because it gets so cold oh boy, oh boy, you and my wife I gotta wear my gloves when I go out on my walk in the morning oh, dan getting all bundled up in Los Angeles. So cute.
Speaker 1:I don't wear these gloves, though. I wear ones that have the tips of the thing.
Speaker 2:Fingerless so that I can manipulate my phone. Sure yeah, you got to play your phone games while you walk.
Speaker 1:No, I listen to my podcasts. Oh God, oh, I have listened to some. Oh God, I was listening to this one. It's like a science fiction adventure, you're you know, oh my god, oh boy, who get out of these people create these things that have hundreds of reviews and get multiple seasons and sure they're just like, written by like a child or chat gpt. You're like what is this?
Speaker 2:this is so lame well, if it's written by chat gpt, it's, you know, quick, a lot, not very much work. So that's good, I'll do that. Oh, and then you can have notebook. What is it notebook llm? You can have that, read it and you got yourself a podcast it. It took you 10 minutes.
Speaker 1:I'm so angry. I'm so angry.
Speaker 2:Maybe we should have AI write our entire script. Maybe that would be better.
Speaker 1:That would be different. Okay, what are we doing, tony?
Speaker 2:We got to talk about what we liked this week.
Speaker 1:I guess Am I going first.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you got to go first because it's your turn to pick the movie.
Speaker 1:It's my turn to go first, finally. First thing, I got the greatest present in the world from my buddy Todd. He was going to thrift stores. Is that a sloth? It's ET. Oh, that's ET. He's holding it. Ett oh, that's et. He's holding. He's holding an ett. And he saw this at a thrift store. He sent me a picture of it and I was like, oh my god, it's amazing, that's incredible.
Speaker 1:But he, they've shrunk, wrapped the et with his thing and now he's, he's sealed in here yeah, he sure is I posted a picture on my instagram and someone was like you need to take him out of there, and I'm like do I no, no, I don't think you do.
Speaker 2:I think this is exactly how he stays.
Speaker 1:And then I've been watching on YouTube this channel called Rad Junk. It's these people that own like a retro video game store in Florida, and you know. So she just showed me how to switch the pin connector on the nes what?
Speaker 2:all right, I'm in. Yeah, no, I'm in.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna follow this one yeah, it's pretty good it's, it's, it's entertaining it's. It is just amazing how much stuff they get in, you know people just bring.
Speaker 2:Oh, look at all these pinball machines oh, they also.
Speaker 1:So they own like, uh, they own that's that store. Then they also own uh rad bar, which is a a bar where they sell beer. But then it's all these free. You pay ten dollars, it's free, play pinball and see. That's what you should open, tony, you should. That's awesome that's what you should do you should, you should, uh, you should open that out in the valley, you know where. It's like free pinball and free video games, and then you just sell beer. I love it.
Speaker 2:You'd be good at that and then they also have like, finally, something I'd be good at yeah, what a treat.
Speaker 1:Not a lot. And then they also have like a convention called RadCon or something.
Speaker 2:Okay, nice yeah.
Speaker 1:Good for them when they have like a gaming room and tournaments and shit. Yeah, I love it. Pretty interesting People out there figuring out how to make it happen.
Speaker 2:That's what you got to do these days. You just got to make it happen.
Speaker 1:Okay, tony, what do you got for us?
Speaker 2:well, I am catching up on something from the past. Uh, detroiters was finally released on netflix, so I watched that cover to cover me too.
Speaker 1:I forgot I'd watch the whole thing yeah, um treat I'd seen the the part with the pooping car, which is just one of the funniest things that has ever been.
Speaker 2:Sure sure.
Speaker 1:It's such an interesting show because Tim is so generally inept, and then Sam is just pretty much good at everything.
Speaker 2:Yes, he is. I feel like that's probably like real life as well, with those two, so it makes sense. It's just so very funny. He follows me on Instagram, he is. I feel like that's probably like real life as well, with those two, so it makes sense.
Speaker 1:It's just so very funny. He follows me on Instagram, you know.
Speaker 2:Which one? Tim Tim. Wow, good for you. He loves me. He loves you. No, he doesn't love me. Mr Toast, is he like Mr Toast?
Speaker 1:No, he follows my collectible account, but he likes stuff every once in a while on there, so I'm always like I'm like, oh, I'm so happy this is a good day, yeah that's that shows. Really. It's a really interesting, good classic show and uh, interesting is the right word.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because there's. There are some episodes I don't love, but then there are some episodes where I'm like this is one of the best things I've ever seen in my life. My favorite scene is when they go it's like the end button of one of their episodes and they go to the doctor and he's just like how many hot dogs have you eaten today, tim? I don't know. That's the funniest thing I've ever seen. I fucking love that scene.
Speaker 1:It's great, it's like the one where they're in the office and there's like the glass partition, glass wall and they're trying to break it.
Speaker 2:I guess it does break. Yeah, some really great stuff.
Speaker 1:And just I think I love about that show is that he's like in a really stable, normal marriage.
Speaker 2:Yes, and it's never a problem.
Speaker 1:He would never cheat on her. They love each other and it's just like. I mean, he's basically like the only white guy in the whole show, pretty much Yep, 100% the white secretary woman, basically like the only white guy in the whole show, pretty much. Yep, yeah, this is the way the white uh secretary woman the old, yeah, the old lady yeah and it's just this. It's just so nice that that's never like. It's not about anything like that, it's like yeah, it's, that's not what this show is about yeah, no, it's, it's fun.
Speaker 2:If you haven't watched it on netflix, go check it out what's the pooping car one? It's so funny of course you love poop jokes dan uh, so so do they.
Speaker 1:There's so many 100.
Speaker 2:So that was especially, I felt, like season one. Season one I felt was really heavy and I was talking I was talking to naomi because that was that was the first, our first sign that like, oh, maybe we aren't gonna like this, but it gets better, it gets better.
Speaker 1:But they, they do, they love poop jokes every I don't know you people the episode where he goes and he meets the guy that, like, changed his diapers when he was a kid oh my god, it's the guy that changed his diapers when he was a kid. Oh my God, that one is so funny, it's so disturbing and weird.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're right on one of those two descriptors. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1:It's so weird. Do you want me to do it now?
Speaker 2:No, nope.
Speaker 1:Those are the ones I like. And also where the dude's wife dies and Tim has to take care of him. Oh my God, I love those ones where it's not Tim being the problem, it's Tim's the person that has to solve the other person's problem or deal with the other person's insanity.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that makes sense, yeah.
Speaker 1:The old guy at the bar who's trying to be Tim's friend. What's his name? Oh, there's so much good stuff in that show. Yeah, it's a good show. Good stuff in that show. I would have picked it if I remembered that I'd watched all 20 episodes.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm glad I reminded you, dan, and I'd completely forgotten. I'd watched the last 20 episodes in the last week. Yeah, that's not great Dan, Not great for you.
Speaker 1:That's not good for my brain. Okay, we need a movie for next week. After I say like and subscribe and leave a comment, you know we're going back. I think this movie's available. It better be available. We'll find it. Well, there was a movie I found. This weird Eric Roberts movie I wanted to do Doesn't exist. Only way to watch it VHS, Only way to watch it.
Speaker 2:I love a good VHS, that's it VHS, that's it.
Speaker 1:Do you even have VHS?
Speaker 2:I have a digitizer. Oh wow, so we could do it Dan.
Speaker 1:This movie not VHS. This movie brand new the M Night Shyamalan's new banger Trap, trap.
Speaker 2:I'm excited to see this again.
Speaker 1:Which I guess. Oh, you've seen it. Yeah, we saw this in theaters, baby. I guess the premise is that this guy takes his daughter to a concert and in the concert is a serial killer and the FBI knows the serial killer is in there and so they close off the whole stadium to find the serial killer. Is that the premise of the movie?
Speaker 2:You're very close. You have the main points, but you're missing just a couple of important details. But you're going to have a good time Because it's silly.
Speaker 1:It's insane, right.
Speaker 2:I mean it's, You'll just have to see it. But I will say this Josh Hartnett is great. Okay, good yeah so Doesn't save it, but he's great.
Speaker 1:That's what I wanted to hear. You can't save this movie, but yeah, yeah, he's great.
Speaker 2:That's what I want to hear you can't save this movie. But yeah, you'll see it, it's going to be fun. I'm excited. It's scary. It's scary when you do that. I'm worried for Shannon. Okay, you should be, I'm not. She would kick your ass, dan, that's for sure.
Speaker 1:I'm scared of her. She comes too close and I flinch.
Speaker 2:She's like why are you flinching? Please not again. Why are you flinching? I do the same thing, Dan, don't worry. Not with Shannon, obviously, but with Naomi. We're battered men. A couple of babies is what we are.
Speaker 1:Well, that's it. We'll be back next week talking about Trap.
Speaker 2:Until then, it's a trap.
Speaker 1:Do something with your lives.
Speaker 2:Great, Goodbye everybody.
Speaker 1:Dan and Tony, it's like watching hell.