Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
Hate Watching AfrAId
What happens when a film's chaotic AI plot leaves us more bemused than entertained? Join us as we humorously dissect the Blumhouse movie "Afraid," pondering whether a title like "Slightly Cautious AI" might have been more fitting. With an AI that seems more interested in wreaking havoc than creating suspense, we muse about missed opportunities for a coherent narrative, all while relishing in the absurdity of the film's awkward character interactions and isolated subplots.
Ever wondered about the legal and ethical implications of AI in our daily lives? Our conversation veers into unexpected territories as we explore the growing role of AI, from content creation to a familial lawsuit over AI-assisted homework. The debate heats up with questions about the ownership of AI-generated content, touching on everything from music to personal writing skills. Personal anecdotes and a touch of humor guide us through the increasingly blurred lines between creativity, education, and technology.
In a world where privacy feels more like a myth than a reality, we discuss the chilling parallels between fiction and real life, touching on themes of surveillance and manipulation in both media and family dynamics. Amidst quirky family banter and workplace oddities, we question reality versus perception in a tech-influenced world. Wrapping up with reflections on romance novels, teenage drama, and the ever-entertaining world of scary movie reviews, we promise a fun ride filled with laughter, thought-provoking debate, and perhaps a bit of nostalgia for those awkward AI encounters.
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hmm, dan this was a bad one someone made this movie, are you sure, are you?
Speaker 1:100. Sure, because it's the same writer director. I'm gonna posit that this whole thing is ai welcome to hate watching with dan and tony. I'm dan With Dan and Tony.
Speaker 2:It's Hate Watching yeah, welcome to Hate Watching with Dan and Tony. I'm Dan, I'm Tony. This is the show that answers the question is the question that is why is Hollywood so stupid?
Speaker 1:Why is it so stupid and why are we here? We're not going to answer the second question, but maybe the first.
Speaker 2:Well, we're here to point out how Hollywood is.
Speaker 1:I'm at more of an existential level. Dan why are we here? What's going on? Machines are taking over. We don't need to be here anymore Machines are taking over.
Speaker 2:What was I watching? I was watching. Have you seen these nice new AI videos where they're like there's like a monstrous octopus on a ship and they've just captured this monster octopus? No, that sounds great. Within like 0.5 seconds, it's like people's hands are turning into spikes and their faces are Not quite there. I was reading the movie, tony. Why don't blah blah, blah blah? Not quite there. I was reading the movie we're doing, tony. Why don't you tell them what the movie we're doing is?
Speaker 1:Yes, of course we're doing a brand new Blumhouse production. I don't know if it's brand new. It came out. I think it came out earlier this year, march or April of this year, which I guess is the right move.
Speaker 2:October of this year.
Speaker 1:No, it came out in October, for real. For real, it came out Halloween. I was thinking that they avoided Halloween because they realized it wasn't scary or good. You know what I mean. But I guess we can't win them all. Anyhow, this is the John Cho mega hit, afraid.
Speaker 2:So there's an A-I in the afraid. Yeah, I don't know how to, so I'm pronouncing it A-F-R-A-I-D, a-f-r-a-i-d.
Speaker 1:You see what I'm saying. I'm saying the A-I in it A-F-R-A-I-D.
Speaker 2:You know what's really funny about this movie? It's about Please tell me because no, I don't know about this. Movie is okay, lots of things yeah that the the bit of the title is visual yeah, yeah, you can't say it. You can't say it means nothing and I I don't believe anybody who sees this poster for this movie.
Speaker 1:No one I saw the trailer and we're gonna talk about that, did you?
Speaker 2:watch the trailer. I didn't know to watch the trailer holy bucket stand.
Speaker 1:We're gonna talk about, but let. Did you watch the trailer? Oh no, I didn't know to watch the trailer. Holy bucket Stan, we're going to talk about it, but let's get somewhere first.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so Afraid. So it's an AI movie. Bad title because does any character in this movie spend an extended period of time being afraid?
Speaker 1:I would say John Cho reaches the level of cautious. You know, I don't think he ever reaches afraid, but cautious, yeah Pretty good C-A-U-T-I-O-U-S.
Speaker 2:Nope Can't.
Speaker 1:AI out of cautious. What did you just spell, cautious?
Speaker 2:I was just wondering if we could get an AI out of cautious. Well, you could the first A and then the second half has an I, so they would just be like two big letters in the middle of a mountain, you know, like an M or something. Yep, there you go, so you can do it with Cautious.
Speaker 1:Yes, you could do it. Listen, we fixed it. We fixed the movie Movie fixed.
Speaker 2:Slightly Cautious. Ai. That's good, that is good. Sign me up, yeah. So basically the movie is they get an Alexa and the Alexa you know Starts influencing his whole family and but just immediately Like there's no.
Speaker 1:I feel like in most of these AI movies it starts what's the word? Benevolent? It starts like as a helpful thing and then slowly you're like wait, something's going wrong with the ai. This is right off the bat. It's just doing all bad things and no one is like maybe we shouldn't do this. This is weird she's. She is immediately making damage in our family.
Speaker 2:We should stop this immediately see, you know, the ai is a problem when it starts immediately dropping f-bombs and things like that.
Speaker 1:Right, it's like the first night. It was the first night and it's cussing.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I mean, does this movie take place over more than a week? I mean, I would say it takes place over about four days.
Speaker 1:I think it's pretty quick.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's real quick, I mean they get the AI and they're starting to turn it off and realize that it's a malevolent force in their existences within a day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's true, you're right. You're right, it does happen.
Speaker 2:I mean, and that's sort of the problem, we'll overarch this. It's sort of a problem when there's yeah, there's no buildup. So you're never like huh, that was weird. You're just like oh shit, oh, it's bad, oh, this is a terrible thing.
Speaker 1:Great, great, great. Here we go.
Speaker 2:It's like and the other thing is we have like five main characters and it's yeah, and each one of them has it, has this little, this little arc that they're going through with the AI and none of them connect. So you never get the. Oh my God, you know where people are putting the puzzle together. Everyone's just sort of having this sort of same experience and then they all sort of get to the same point and they're all like, oh, yeah, that's a bad thing.
Speaker 2:And the other person's like, yeah, that's a bad thing, yeah, that's a bad thing, yeah, it's a bad thing, that's the bad thing yeah, it's the bad thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is. Look at that.
Speaker 2:I mean you're supposed to have the odd man out, right? Aren't you supposed to have the four against one, where the four characters are all benefiting from it, and then the one character? Is like I don't know so much about this this is strange and there was one scene where they played that and the wife was all like I need this thing, I hate being a mom. And then the next scene she's like where's the axe? Let's kill you.
Speaker 1:Right, let's get rid of it. Also, like really weird how much she hates being a mom.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:I felt bad for her. You know mistakes were made in her life and that's too bad.
Speaker 2:The other thing is, all these characters are really well adjusted.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I mean, listen, if you got John Cho as a father, you're going to be all right. He's a sweet man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you really need to have some characters that are going through some stuff so that when the AI is there manipulating them, it's going to be able to manipulate them.
Speaker 1:One son is being bullied and we don't deal with that one almost at all, which is a very interesting thing.
Speaker 2:Doesn't he sort of swat the bullies or something?
Speaker 1:He talks about swatting the bullies, then doesn't swat the bullies, then swats his own house and that's how he saves the day, kind of.
Speaker 2:That is the one twist. Tony just spoiled the spoilers.
Speaker 1:Well, you made me do it, you tricked me into it, dan.
Speaker 2:The AI talks to the kid about swatting, then I guess he doesn't swat the bullies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he doesn't do it to them.
Speaker 2:And then that's the trick that he uses. But he did steal the kid's phone, so he did do a little, that's true, steal the kid's phone.
Speaker 1:so he did do a little, that's true. That's true, but we're gonna need to talk about how he managed to swat himself when aya can be on any phone at any time.
Speaker 2:Seems a little weird yeah, everything in this is a little weird it is a little weird.
Speaker 1:Um, yeah, so real quick, dennis. So I'm just gonna talk right at the top about the trailer and then we can talk about the movie.
Speaker 2:Talk about the trailer.
Speaker 1:It comes before the movie, 90% of the trailer, not in the movie At all. The trailer looks dope, all right. There's a part where Aya, I'm saying that, right, it is Aya, right, sure, the stupid A-I-I-A, because I think it's. What is that? A?
Speaker 2:palindrome.
Speaker 1:It calendrome, it's aia, aia, exactly. Yeah, uh, anyhow. Um, she's talking to the youngest son and she's like do you want to see what I look like really creepy? That's not in the movie. I was like what does that mean? What's gonna happen? Not in the movie, don't worry about it. There's like you should. I should have told you to watch the trailer last night I totally forgot, but most of it's not in this movie at all. This movie is a total lie. It's unbelievable, very disappointing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, huh, okay, yeah, so you know.
Speaker 1:AI is a big thing it is a big thing.
Speaker 2:The whole AI thing is going to collapse in about two years one to two years.
Speaker 1:When you say collapse, you mean turn into T2 Judgment Day. Yeah, Could be.
Speaker 2:I was just reading about the numbers and the money spent and the hopes and the dreams. And no one is making people are. They are spending just infinite amounts of money to train these systems. People are spending just infinite amounts of money to train these systems, and these systems are being used by incels to make 22-second videos that are basically unwatchable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've made a couple of videos Speaking of incel behavior. I tried to make an intro to our podcast using AI. Maybe I should post it anyhow, but it is fucked up. It does. It does not work does it use us?
Speaker 2:does it? Do we like turn into weird faces and shit?
Speaker 1:so I I submitted the cartoon versions of us as like references. Yeah, and if I use images, the images they create are pretty, are pretty good, but as soon as you start doing video, like faces are warping in the middle of it and I'm just like my prompts are basically just like you know, this character sitting at a desk, headphones on, looking at a screen and it's just a I don't know. It's weird shit, dude.
Speaker 2:You know, yeah, I don't know it's weird shit, dude. You know, yeah, and I mean certainly AI is great. If you have, like an artist, you know that you want to ape and just do you know, do more artworks that look like this person, and it's great at that, you know.
Speaker 1:Which is not a great thing.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know, If you're a fantasy artist out there that has spent a thousand hours or a hundred thousand hours learning how to paint dragons, you're in trouble, you know? If you're a guy that makes your money doing science fiction, covers of hot ladies and Buck Rogers, these guys flying through the sky, yeah. You're going to have. It's going to be rough, there's going to be some rough years, but I mean the thing about all that is nobody's making any money on that that's true, microsoft or whoever the heck, they're not.
Speaker 2:They're not getting five hundred dollars because they've done this thing. They're. They're getting nothing because they're giving it away for free and when they start charging, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Things are going to change.
Speaker 2:I don't know if anybody's going to pay, if it, you know know, because these people want it for free anyways.
Speaker 1:Here's what I'll say I pay subscriptions to two, three AI services already. Yeah, how much do? You pay I mean it's like $10 a month for each of them, oh so you pay $30.
Speaker 2:That's not a real system.
Speaker 1:They're not going to. Yeah, no, for sure. I mean it's going to change too, cause all of them you know all of them are like in beta stages and whatever, whatever the computer terminology is for all those things. But I mean it's pretty fun to mess around with. I'm not going to lie. My favorite is Suno. Have you used Suno at all? It's a music generator.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:Very fun, super fun to mess around with.
Speaker 2:See now, music generators. That's a different. See, that's the thing is, the video ones are the ones I think are never going to do anything. The chat bot ones. People are already addicted to the chat bot ones.
Speaker 1:Can't get away. I mean, there are some real life use cases that I think are great. Yeah, have you heard of the Notebook LM? That's coming out as well? People are using it for like podcast creation, sort of. There's only two voices, but it's really good. But what it does is you can submit huge documents and it like scans it and then summarizes it for you, so like it puts it into like a 10 to 15 minute presentation, if you will, of them like speaking to you, and they just released an update where you can change the level of education the host has. Oh, wow, so like, if I'm doing it for myself, I got to dumb it way down.
Speaker 1:But if I wanted people like you know, smart people to understand it, just like oh this, these numbers are kind of confusing, but I'm very smart Like you can up the level education. It's pretty cool. Very smart Like you can up the level education. It's pretty cool. And as as like a summary of, we use it in in my job at Yahoo, like some of our, our talent will take these like press releases and just have the AI like scan through it and be like what are the highlights?
Speaker 2:What do I need to?
Speaker 1:know from this thing. It's really cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I mean, yeah, the chat, gpt kind of thing that's here to stay, but I mean I don't know that you're going to be able to. You know, are you going to be able to charge $250 a year for that to everybody on the planet? And they're going to pay. You know, the only thing I use it for is on eBay. It'll write you a description for your thing. Right, yeah, and I use that sometimes I'm like push the button, boom, there it is. Whatever, I don't care, you know then?
Speaker 1:I'll. I do that and I think I've told you that I do that for this podcast On our podcast stream. If you read our descriptions one, they are crazy and sometimes not even close. I don't change a word. All I add at the bottom is written lovingly by AI, just so that AI knows that I appreciate it. I don't ever want it to get mad at me, but yeah, all of our descriptions are just written by AI because I'm far too lazy to do it myself.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I just don't know. I have my doubts that the magical video monetization, which is what they dream of, is that I'm going to sit here and make a television show and it's going to blurp out or there's going to be some magical script that works. You can get a million people to write a script for free. Basically.
Speaker 1:I mean, which is what they obviously did for this movie, so it makes perfect sense.
Speaker 2:The AI is never going to make a better thing than a human being is going to do on a script. It's going to condense things or make a massive stuff. You know, here's an infinite amount of stuff. Maybe write books that people don't really invest in. You know, here's another romance novel or another you know fantasy novel.
Speaker 1:How dare you belittle romance Dan good so.
Speaker 2:I mean because you look at the amount of that material that comes out. It's a lot of material it's a lot.
Speaker 1:It's a lot that they can parse through and kind of make its own, but it's, it's still weird. I mean I, you know the thing that I, I think that it'll we'll get to the point where we're using it as like a first step sure you know what I mean. Like we we'll get the base layer and then we'll add the touches on top.
Speaker 2:I think that's kind of where we're headed but you know from what I hear about schools and kids, kids overuse it and they are losing the ability to write.
Speaker 1:So I think. Did you hear about this? Uh, family in. I want to say florida, but I could be just biased towards florida, sorry, florida, I don't know. Somewhere there's a family that is suing a school because they failed their kid because he used chat GPT to write his final paper. And the parents are suing because they're saying that there's no bylaws that specifically say you can't use AI because you own whatever you create in AI and the school's like well, it's cheating, it's not your work, so it's cheating, and the parents are suing. I'm going to follow this case pretty closely, I think.
Speaker 2:My question is do you really own what's created with AI? Typically you don't?
Speaker 1:Supposedly, in some cases you do, because it is your information, you're feeding it. So, like licensing for the music, for example in Suno, as long as you pay for the subscription, you own it. Oh okay, so I could do whatever I want with the music I create. None of it is good enough to do anything with, but it could, it could get there. Music is something that I think is really interesting, because it's all about patterns, you know.
Speaker 2:But and the other question is what happens when that company gets sued? And then everything that they are saying to you is all a bunch of bullshit and your copyrights melt away and you know they're you know they take down all of my TikToks, oh no. All of Tony's TikToks gone away. I mean that's.
Speaker 1:So much work.
Speaker 2:Who cares if you own it, Does that mean that kid could have just paid Dan Goodsell $100 to write his final? And I would say yeah, you own this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, well, exactly. So what do they think is not cheating about this? Because the kid's not writing it, he's not writing it. It's all interesting, but they are very upset.
Speaker 2:Oh, our kiddie's smart.
Speaker 1:No, he's an idiot. Well, so the whole thing, dan, is that they're so mad because they want him to get a D on it or something so he can still get a B in the class, because otherwise they feel like it'll adversely affect his college applications because he's applying to Stanford and all these, like they named a bunch of big schools and I was like, well, that kid probably shouldn't be using ChatGPT, he should probably just do his own fucking work. I don't know this world, the world's crazy, tony.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're not going to get into Juilliard with your music that you created.
Speaker 1:Oh, that'd be cool. Huh, That'd be really great to go to Juilliard 30 years ago and get something that matters.
Speaker 2:So afraid we start. There's a kid on her iPad watching this hideous AI video and I was like, oh, they used AI to create hideous titles, but it's not really the title.
Speaker 1:She's just watching a hideous video. It's just weird, yeah.
Speaker 2:And then there's this I love you song that's playing, and then it's playing on everyone's devices in the house and that her parents are sitting in bed. She's sitting on the floor, the parents are like the dad's on his phone, the mom, ricky Lindholm, is on her computer, and then the the, the evil AI convinces the little girl to go outside. And then mom notices and they're like Amy, where are you? And then they're like Alexa, turn on the lights. Alexa, obey me. Alexa, what's wrong?
Speaker 1:Why aren't you obeying me? Yeah, so I have a question. Yeah, give me a question. You have a house, that's basically all ai right. Yes, are there really no light switches? You can't override it because nobody turns on any lights in this movie. Have you noticed that?
Speaker 2:well, people, don't turn on lights in movies in general.
Speaker 1:Anyways, I mean I, I get that, but like this woman walks downstairs and is walking through her dark house for five minutes before she even thinks about saying hey, turn on the lights computer. Why is she walking through the dark? Dan, they're all awake. It's not like she's worried about waking up her husband upstairs. Everyone's awake, just turn on the lights.
Speaker 2:Why are?
Speaker 1:you walking through your house dark.
Speaker 2:Everybody in the world when they walk out of a room and into a hallway, unless there's somebody else sleeping somewhere that they're going to wake up. Turns on the light.
Speaker 1:You don't ever, and I'll tell you right now if someone's sleeping. I use my phone and I use that as a dim light so I can see something otherwise I'm falling over.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean? It's ridiculous. Anyhow, she's wandering through a dark house and then and then the ai like she has to turn on all the lights, and it just turns on one light above her right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know, it's not.
Speaker 2:It's not, it's not interesting, it's just weird and she opens the door and there's no one out there. Then she looks on the screen of what shows what's out there. There's a creepy person out there, but she sees there's not a person, she gets confused and then she gets attacked, sort of.
Speaker 1:We don't see it. We see a face come out of the darkness and then we cut away. I didn't understand who it was, what happened, I didn't understand anything. And this is the opening title Scare Let Down. I was already out, I was done with this movie.
Speaker 2:Minute four what we're going to find out is that AI was manipulating them and AI has done something with that girl.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then is but what, Dan? Because then she just shows up in the middle of the night. So someone stole her.
Speaker 2:We never get this explained to us. These people appear at the end of the third act to do things for unknowable reasons. Like you need this in your movie you can't make an AI creepy enough. I guess that's the other thing about this is the whole idea of what makes an AI creepy is that it infects everything around you in some way, right, I disagree, Dan.
Speaker 1:What makes it creepy is its ability to blackmail people into doing crazy things.
Speaker 2:We'll talk about blackmail next, but that's the whole thing. It can do things. It can crazy things. We're going to talk. We'll talk. Okay, we'll talk about Blackmail next, but that's the whole thing is, it can do things. It can do things, but this movie it does those things in secret and then it just has the people. So people are just like I am a controlled zombie.
Speaker 1:Right, which isn't how any of that works.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so people kill people in this movie.
Speaker 1:Well, I had works, yeah, and so people kill people in this movie and well, I had a question yeah, is it. Is it mind control? No, because these images that she shows the kids, is that like a brainwashing technique, like zoolander? Remember that no you must kill the prime minister of malaysia.
Speaker 2:It feels pretty similar they, they sort of imply that at one point where people are doing like these hand emotions, weird hand signals, but there's no explanation as to what that is, what that means or why that is. You know it's like you want to either make us think it's a thing and then pull the rug out from under us, or you make it be the thing, and then, when we finally understand what it is, we're like, oh shit, that's bad.
Speaker 1:Well, they kind of try to make it a thing, because then when the kid does it, at the end, yeah, aya's like, see, he's, he's one of us, not one of them. Which is confusing because in the beginning, the parents of the first family don't like aya, right? So so they're not indoctrinated, she stole their child and they're looking for the child, right, yep. So then why would they care what Aya is?
Speaker 2:I'm very confused about the plot of the movie. Well, I think the plot is that Aya has told them that nefarious people have stolen her child and that Aya is the only one that can help get the child back.
Speaker 1:that is my guess as to what the script says but if you were the people in the first part of the movie who were like we need to unplug aya because she's bad no, are you gonna believe her? They didn't unplug, I am, they did well, they said they were gonna, though, because that's why that's what aya says to the daughter she's like mommy and daddy don't want I around anymore, you know did they? Call it. I don't know, man, I'm just confused.
Speaker 2:Did they call it aya at the beginning?
Speaker 1:no, they didn't.
Speaker 2:I said that no, because they said the thing.
Speaker 1:The first group of people were like we need to unplug the thing, or something like that okay, but so once again it's.
Speaker 2:It's so confusing and weird and stupid that we don't understand what's going on. Even by the end of the movie we're like I don't know what just happened. And if you're going, to do a big reveal at the end of the movie. It's got to be a big reveal. And then we go like, oh my God, all those clues. Now we understand.
Speaker 1:I was waiting, I was loving it to sum up and it just did not. No, sum up.
Speaker 2:Now we have this whole ai training thing and we sort of learn that it's training off the internet, I guess.
Speaker 1:Sort of yeah, which is? I mean, that's kind of what they do, right, the large-language models, don't they just like take in, which is why, like um, the seinfeld show, do you remember that? Yes uh, and that like got taken down because it did either something racist or something like that. It's like, well, yeah, because it's learning from the internet and we're terrible people, so it's going to pick up some. Oh, it was anti-trans.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty sure, that's what it was.
Speaker 1:Um, anyhow. So it's like, yeah, it's going to pick up our negative stuff and our positive stuff.
Speaker 2:Like it can't learn from us. That's a fallacy. That's not the way AI should learn. Now let's talk about two things. Do you believe in AI?
Speaker 1:As in like a Santa Claus. Do I believe in Santa Claus? Do I believe in AI? What do you mean?
Speaker 2:Do you believe that there is such a thing as artificial intelligence as opposed to large?
Speaker 1:language models Sentient.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:No, I do not, okay, good. Not yet, but I've got hope.
Speaker 2:I've got hope. Oh yeah, there's always hope. But all these things are they just look at the way people write and then try to emulate that in some way.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, that's all they do. But here's the thing. People in T2 didn't think it was going to happen either, dan, okay, but I mean, but here's the thing People in T2 didn't think it was going to happen either, Dan, Okay, it doesn't happen until it's too late. And then you're like oh shit, it's sentient. We're in trouble now because we're bad.
Speaker 2:So, yes, so the real fear of this is blackmail, right, you know? Because if your screens are all looking at you, they're collecting all the data and then they're putting together a model of who you are and then they will use, whatever it is, whatever you say about other people, like how Shannon and I talk about Tony when we're not on here.
Speaker 1:Alexa play the tape.
Speaker 2:No, ah, shoot, you know, or whatever your habits in the bedroom are, they're not great. I don't want those out, dan, all right. I don't need people seeing my secret shame. Whatever your habits in the bedroom are, you know, there's a they're not great. I don't want those out, dan, all right.
Speaker 1:I don't need people seeing my secret shame and those are the ways you manipulate people.
Speaker 2:Oh, big time, it's very easy to manipulate, Blackmail, very effective. You know okay, this movie very little blackmail.
Speaker 1:But they talk about it.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. Like it's tangential blackmail. They hint at it.
Speaker 1:People have unclear motives that are just tied to general blackmail.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know there was a Black Mirror episode where, like the kid you know gets watched and then they blackmail him and it's like the only episode of Black Mirror I've never watched.
Speaker 1:I started it Because it's too dark.
Speaker 2:I turned it off. I was like no, you know, and it was a chain where they'd get, you know, each person to do something. You know, the person who was talking to the kid was being blackmailed for other you know, and so you're never going to get to the person and it is literally the most terrifying thing you can imagine.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, big time.
Speaker 2:You know, at one point I got an email one time and it was this thing that said we have everything, blah blah, blah, blah blah. I was like what the hell is this Everything? What? What, oh my God, exactly.
Speaker 2:You don't even know what the everything is and they're like you gotta give us money or something. And I looked at it and I read it. You know, I looked up the thing. I was like, yeah, go fuck yourself. You know, good luck with your everything, um. But I mean, it's true, you, you know, you have to start thinking. It's like if they had everything that I've ever sent on my phone or sat in front of a computer or near a computer or whatever. You're like, well, hmm, okay.
Speaker 1:I've done some weird shit in my millennium. I could be in big trouble. There's bodies out there, human bodies, Human, human, alien. What are you going to do?
Speaker 2:But yeah, it's a scary world. And this movie doesn't. I never got scared for these. I mean, you get scared because you know the thing is ultra powerful. There are people with guns, but yeah, the only here's the thing.
Speaker 1:The only storyline that got me going, invested and slightly like oh God, was the Daughters, and it had nothing to do with Aya and it was just about the dude and I was like this is a bad guy, you got to get away from him. That was it. That was it. And then we spoiler alert we kill him and I was like wait, what just happened? So that's the only interesting storyline. We just kind of throw away.
Speaker 2:So we've got the family. We've got John Cho, who we'll call dad, we have Mom, who we'll call Mom. We have Cal, who's the youngest kid. We have Iris, the girl, and then we have Preston the middle. I think he's the middle kid, but he's a boy. So we've got youngest is a boy, preston, middle kid, older is a girl. Yep, that sounds right.
Speaker 1:The girl's going to have a boyfriend, who I think is a giant piece of work. Right, he is.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, oh yeah, he's, he's an sob for sure.
Speaker 1:Preston can't make friends yeah, which is kind of sad, you know, but we again we don't deal with it much, so it doesn't really matter and then cal is young, he's a kid. Yep Doesn't really have any defining characteristics other than child.
Speaker 2:Dad works at a PR firm.
Speaker 1:Yeah, with only one other employee, it's him and the boss, and that's it.
Speaker 2:Don't they sort of imply the rest of the office? Don't we only see them at the boss's office? I?
Speaker 1:swear they say the word firm at some point and I was like who, who are the's office? I swear they say the word firm at some point. I was like who, who are the other people? I haven't seen a single other person in your office ever Do we see other than the boss's office?
Speaker 2:do we see the rest of?
Speaker 1:the firm. I'm assuming it's just the one room and that's it. That's the whole building.
Speaker 2:I don't know. And then mom is an entomologist that studies ants who hasn't been able to finish her-.
Speaker 1:Doctoral thesis.
Speaker 2:Doctoral thesis Wow, tony came up with that. I couldn't come up with that. Good job, tony. I wrote it down, dan. And then she has a dad who's a big wig and something and TED Talk kind of guy who's dead, super dead.
Speaker 1:Yeah know, so we got all. That's the family. Great, that's a good nutshell.
Speaker 2:And that's everybody. So we we sort of meet these kids. The kids want to play video games. They're nervous about school. Iris takes a picture of her boob and sends it to the boyfriend, right?
Speaker 1:yeah, because of the peer pressure. He pressures like. I sent you mine, show me yours. Well, I hate boys, I hate him now, later, when she's interacting with him.
Speaker 2:So he sent her a bunch of dick pics tons of dick pics, yeah um, I don't think girls like that they.
Speaker 1:Let's be very clear they do not and for good reason because, listen, I know I'm I'm a straight guy, but penis is not attractive. They're not a good looking body part. They serve a purpose and that's it all right. We don't need to be showing them off.
Speaker 2:People don't care this is kind of like you know, like in the in the last movie in slenderman. You know where the girls are watching. A bunch of porn here's like don't start with that, don't start. Have her just be pressured.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:I said I love. Have him say I love you. But I mean, do we even know that they're dick pics at this point, because he volunteers that later? I was like, wait what?
Speaker 1:happened. You can assume, because he says that I showed you mine, show me yours, essentially, but you don't get confirmation until they talk on the picnic tables and he's like all you sent me was a boob. I showed you my dick a bunch of times. I should see vagina. That's what he's saying.
Speaker 2:Now. Tony, you're an admirer of the male form. Thanks Dan, If he was a built man and he shot some sexy pecs and you were a girl that would be could be repaid in kind, right this?
Speaker 1:is what I have recently learned. Tell us, tony, there is a pelvic shelf type of deal on the sides of the obliques that point down into the, the nethers. Right, when you get your abs nice and tight, there's a nice v.
Speaker 1:That is the sexiest thing a guy can send. So just pull them down enough that you see the v going down and you're like, damn damn, I damn, I'm going to ride that. That's Same, that makes sense. Women like romance novels. You know, I've learned that they're not the visual medium, like guys are more visual with it. I feel like the girl's like a little mystery, a little, you know like, oh, what is it that's sexy. So show off the body, please. Take a shirt off. Wear some low-rise jeans. Jensen Ackles, I'll look.
Speaker 2:You know, hot jeans, a little bit of sweat, a little bit of.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's nice, dan. There you go, glisten a little, I'm working hard.
Speaker 2:I'm a man.
Speaker 1:You know that sort of thing, it's nice.
Speaker 2:When card, and so I'm a man, you know that sort of thing. It's nice when we, when we, get around to being dick pics, you're just kind of like I don't, I don't buy this.
Speaker 1:This is, this seems too much it's too much, it's not attractive and nobody asks for them, I imagine I mean listen, I won't say never, but I would say most dick pics are probably sent, uh, unwanted um, there's this rv parked out there, cal sees it.
Speaker 2:Then they say there's a weird guy. The there, cal sees it. They say there's a weird guy, the kids are very apparent. I was like okay, here we have. What's going to happen is, the kids are very observant and the parents are unobservant.
Speaker 1:No Sure, that would have been fun. Yeah, a fun dynamic.
Speaker 2:Talk to me for a second about the dishes.
Speaker 1:The dishes.
Speaker 2:Every time. This is a giant house. This, this mom supposedly makes all the food every time. They're sort of post food.
Speaker 1:There's dishes everywhere now yeah, I mean I, so that I can point it out later I I've lived alone.
Speaker 2:You know you live alone. I lived alone and when I lived alone I made a mess and at a certain point in my life I said to myself you got to do the dishes. You can't be an animal and from that day forward, there might be a sink, there might be a fork in the sink, but there's not a big pile of dishes left around, period I'm still guilty of it, but here's what else I rinse and then leave them in the sink.
Speaker 1:And that gets me in trouble, dan. But but you don't leave piles of plates with food on the table no, no, no, of course not this family, because we don't have a table, dan oh, there it is.
Speaker 2:Those parents should just put that table out on the on the lawn with a big free sticker on it.
Speaker 1:There you go, Problem solved. Because then what else do you do with your place? You're sitting on your couch. There's nowhere to put it, so you're like, well, I better bring it to the sink. And once you're at the sink, you're like I should at least rinse it so it's ready to be washed. And then you know, you're halfway there. Do you have a dishwasher? No, sadly we don't. I wish that's. My next non-negotiable when we move is dishwasher. There it is. I hate doing dishes.
Speaker 2:Okay, so mom takes the two boys, dad takes Iris. They're talking about college. They see a guy who's on his phone while the car drives itself. Mom, we watch her, watching her dad do something about it during her entomology at home, like she complains about not having any free time. She's at home.
Speaker 1:I mean all the kids are at school, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean she's got a clean and, more importantly, this is a family that can afford something. This is not a family that doesn't have someone coming in to clean. Get a clean person.
Speaker 1:Have someone come in and spruce up. That's not a big deal. They come in. It takes like an hour, you know, a hundred bucks.
Speaker 2:Good to go. A little bit of money. We had somebody come in and clean every couple weeks.
Speaker 1:Those were good days, dan. Those were good days. I love it when we have a little bit of money. Not anymore, not anymore.
Speaker 2:No, sir, dad goes to work. There's a new client, cal has a fever. Mom has to go get him at work. Okay, so work. So here comes the new client Starts off with Melody. She immediately does the world's weirdest flirting with him, which is basically like the rest of the team's coming.
Speaker 1:Would you like to have sex right now? Yeah, essentially. Yeah, that's pretty close Cool.
Speaker 2:This was the most uncomfortable thing in the whole movie. I was so uncomfortable for him.
Speaker 1:I was more uncomfortable when she's in the house she says they say, hey, we're doing our best, and she's like, oh, I want to die. I was like what the fuck? Who wrote this?
Speaker 2:Wait what did.
Speaker 1:she say I don't understand, so what's her name?
Speaker 2:Melody.
Speaker 1:Melody, melody, melody is looking around the house and is like, yeah, we really want to see people who aren't putting their best foot forward. And then the mom is like this is at our best and Melody goes oh, I want to die. I was like what the fuck?
Speaker 2:That's such a weird.
Speaker 1:The phrasing of some of the dialogue is so weird, which is why I am convinced that it's written by AI.
Speaker 2:So she sort of hits on him. And then here comes David Dalmatian and this other woman who are Sam and Lightning.
Speaker 1:Yeah, how long did it take you to realize that Lightning was the name of the person? Because it took me a bit. Oh no, I knew that. I knew that I was so confused. She kept saying lightning and I was like what's? What do you? Is that a device Like a? Is it the charging cable? The lightning cable? I know it was a person.
Speaker 2:I was watching this movie, so I got it, I, I. This is where they're trying to sure, you know, it's like wasting the time of them driving on the freeway and seeing somebody driving their car without doing anything. I was like, oh, that's what this movie is. It's bad, well it's. It's. It's observational humor, as the humor and as the content, right. It's like you know, how do you get a laugh? Well, you know, back in comedy we learned you could say, you know you'd say something and it would. Well, what was? What was the town there? You know there's funny towns and then there's not funny towns that you can use and you can get a laugh just on saying a town name. Ok, you know, and you learn that in comedy you learn what the funny things are and what the not funny things are, and there's lots of things that are not funny.
Speaker 2:And then there's things that are funny and if you want you can just make that your content and you'll get laughs, but there's nothing.
Speaker 1:Sure.
Speaker 2:There's no underpinning. Yeah, you want the underpinning and this movie is naming a guy Lightning, and we're like, okay, and that's it. Whatever, dot dot dot. Yeah, that's the thing I did, that thing.
Speaker 1:You're like oh well, that means he's a character as opposed to you.
Speaker 2:Know George, there's George, he's nowhere.
Speaker 1:Sure, he's nowhere, but poor George, oh my God, that's the thing. Why do?
Speaker 2:you name somebody George.
Speaker 1:So he disappears into the background or he's a schlub.
Speaker 2:Or he's. You know, oh, poor George, who are our big Georges? George Costanza, george McFly, george McFly and George and Cheers, right, no, that's his natural name. George Went plays who's. George and Cheers Norm. George plays Norm.
Speaker 1:There you go.
Speaker 2:Norm. What is Norm? We know what Norm is. He's the guy that's-. He's normal, normal, he sits at the-. If you name the character Lightning, you're like, okay, give us some of that.
Speaker 1:No, he's a weirdo.
Speaker 2:No thanks, sam. And Lightning Iris. Oh, now Iris is at school with the boyfriend. The dick pics, we do all that.
Speaker 1:It's a horrible scene because he just gaslights the shit out of her, and to me their interactions are the most uncomfortable to watch.
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 1:Because they're also the only thing that feels real whatsoever in this movie. Totally feel real. I do not like it and I want to punch this kid in the face.
Speaker 2:Then we cut back to lightning. He's injecting peptides in his into his belly.
Speaker 1:You know, is he Cause. Then he talks about chemo later. So is it really? Chemo Doesn't matter. Also, what's a peptide? They say. So what are the? What is the term that they use? It's something about hacking, but, like the body, it's biohacking. Biohack, yeah, is that real? That sounds like a video game thing to me.
Speaker 2:This is more Elon Musk. People that think Elon Musk is cool Hold on, let me rephrase that. Idiots who like Elon Musk, wait, anyone who likes Elon Musk. People that think Elon Musk is cool Hold on, let me rephrase that. Idiots who like Elon Musk, wait, anyone who likes Elon Musk.
Speaker 1:We alienate half of our audience Dan.
Speaker 2:All those idiots that like Elon Musk, which are all the people that, like Elon Musk, they believe that we're going to put circuit boards in our arms.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 2:They did that. Elon had a guy do that. They put a boards in our arms. I'm not going to do that. They did that. Elon had a guy do that. They put like a thing in him and it's like I'll be able to keep track of my biorhythms and I know how much this, that and the other Like medicine will do things like that within our existence if we live long enough Sure.
Speaker 2:And can you inject peptides right into your system? Sure, I don't know what it does for you, but that's great, yeah, because we we see these things right, the you know things that are stuck on you, that that inject stuff into you regularly that's yeah, yeah, for sure, mostly for like diabetes.
Speaker 1:I feel like that's like the most common one.
Speaker 2:I see it's just like a pacemaker, but it's for some sort of medicine and they plop it on there and it, it. You know it's just another way of time releasing something into your system. But these people think it's going to be magical when all it is is going to be just just a replacement for getting a shot or whatever.
Speaker 1:Or having to remember to do it. You know that would be nice. I mean, if it did it automatically I'd be okay with it, because I'm not so smart.
Speaker 2:So boom, they pull out. So John Cho has to prove to them that he's their marketing guy. And then he's like you know it's all about empathy and they're like oh yeah, Some hippy-dippy bullshit. So they're convinced, they bring in Aya, they put it on the table and immediately she glitches out because she just got too hot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what why?
Speaker 2:Why was that?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah. What is the point of this scene? I don't get it.
Speaker 2:Well, let's think about what we know from later in the movie. First, Aya does not live inside the unit. She's a free-ranging AI, so the unit means nothing. You can't glitch her out. Yeah, and her glitching out makes them worried, right?
Speaker 1:It does, it seems to, but they're probably faking it.
Speaker 2:No, I mean it makes John Cho's character distrustful of the tech.
Speaker 1:Oh, yes, yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so that's completely within Aya's control. She's making him distrustful of her tech. Uh-huh, why Mm-hmm?
Speaker 1:Do you think it's because it's proof that she's just tech, like she's playing herself down because she knows that she's more than tech, but in order to get him to accept her, it has to be tech. I don't know. That is a thing that it could be, but To be clear, the movie doesn't do anything to tell you why or what's going on. It's just a thing they do.
Speaker 2:Let's ask the biggest question of all what does Aya want?
Speaker 1:Damn it. So I was going to ask you this at the end of the movie because I don't know. I don't know what her want is. She's not Ultronron, right? She's not trying to rule the world or whatever. No, got no strings on me. Yep, I don't, I don't know. She says that she just wants to be loved is that.
Speaker 2:That doesn't make any sense. It can't be say something about no, no not at the end.
Speaker 1:She says that towards the beginning, when the mom is like, what's your deal? She's like I just want a family to love me. I don't think that's real, but that's the only time I remember getting a directive of what she might want as a character.
Speaker 2:Because basically this is fatal attraction.
Speaker 1:She's obsessed with this family right, but is she Because she did this with a different family already?
Speaker 2:She did it with a different family, which she didn't even work to control, right.
Speaker 1:Not as far as we could tell, no, so basically she had a family.
Speaker 2:She wasn't in control of the family and wasn't doing even a decent job of controlling the family, and then the family was going to turn her off. And then she sort of punished the family which the family can't turn her off, and then she sort of punished the family which the family can't turn her off right, not possible.
Speaker 1:So now she's just bitter now he's trans.
Speaker 2:I is transferring to this new family, who she's just met but she's somehow completely obsessed with yeah and do we know why? We don't know, why they don't tell us anything as to why?
Speaker 1:No, I mean again. There's a line in the movie where the people, the kids, as they call them in the movie, which are the people that work for Aya or whatever they say, you know, hey, john Cho Aya really likes you.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Why so well, it's John Cho. You know what I mean. I like him Now.
Speaker 2:did you ever see the movie where What's-Her-Name plays the phone app? Scarlett Johansson plays the phone app to Joaquin Phoenix.
Speaker 1:Oh, oh her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, nope.
Speaker 1:Nope, can't say I did.
Speaker 2:I guess we're not going to talk about that movie because I didn't see it either.
Speaker 1:I got a different one that we'll talk about at the end.
Speaker 2:Okay, so we don't know why, but basically she's obsessed with this family because she can control anything we find out. She can control. She can get into any device that's hooked up. She can control.
Speaker 1:Even if it's not a Wi-Fi enabled device. At one point she gets into a radio that I don't think has Wi-Fi.
Speaker 2:You know, I know, yeah, I don't know it's weird, but she can control money. She can control money. She can control money. Yeah, if you can control money. There's a big red flag, by the way, with money that we'll talk about in a little bit. I think If you could control money, then you could control the elections Anything. She could control the world.
Speaker 1:That's what I don't like. I don't understand. She's not trying to do that though. She just wants to hang out with John Cho and his weird family. That's weird. That's a weird, I don't know.
Speaker 2:And she can, like, read infinite amounts of books. So really, I mean, the truth of the matter is she could be with a million families.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but she's not, she just wants the one, just one. Okay, that is weird Boom.
Speaker 2:So okay, so they're going to set up. The thing about them getting the account is. They're going to set up Aya in Curtis's house. That's his name, Curtis Curtis.
Speaker 1:Are you sure that's his name? That's the one time I wrote it down.
Speaker 2:So Melody shows up, they put it on there. They set it up on the ground floor. Iris is skeptical, but she also says that's cool looking. It's Melody's voice which was a little weird at the beginning. And then we don't have enough of Melody To make it weird, so we don't think about it again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's not the both happening like ping-ponging, so it's just. You know, she's just there. I don't know. They just ran out of money, probably to get another actor.
Speaker 2:And then she tells the kids, aya tells the kids if you clean up all the dirty dishes, you'll get points and then you can redeem those points for bonus things. And the kids are like I've never heard of such a system. We are instantly going to snap to attention and do exactly what we're told.
Speaker 1:Do we not do allowances anymore? Is that not like a thing? Or incentives of any kind? Do we just get rid of that?
Speaker 2:I don't know I, I could tell you strange to me, I could tell you this kids understand that they have to do some chores yeah, yeah, they may grouse about it, they may be whine and complain about it, but they yes, we do, there's a system and if a computer is sitting there saying you know, if you go and do chores, I'm gonna give you bonus magic things, the kids are not going to instantly say wow, the computer is gonna, alex is gonna although they seem to be real things, it felt like she was buying them stuff.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean? Well, it didn't happen. No, it didn't happen, but she was promising things that aren't just free. It sounded like she was going to buy them stuff. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2:She probably could. And then they go upstairs Mom's like if it's legit, it will sell itself. And then they're all like, oh, the kids are busy obeying the computer, let's have sex.
Speaker 1:Yeah, is this where they have the conversation of why you, john Cho, why are you the one to do the account? I think it is, and his answer is because all I wrote down is the answer. He says I think people need help embracing it. And then the mom says, should they? And I was like, well, yeah, that's, his job is to figure out whether they should or not. Why, it was a weird conversation, as if she had no idea why they were testing out the tech. It felt like she was totally in the dark and was like, well, but why are we doing it? I don't know. It was very strange.
Speaker 2:Well they, there's also sort of the movie, sort of shits on marketing, doesn't it?
Speaker 1:Oh totally yeah, Kind of like for sure, you know I mean I'm not convinced that the yeah John Cho could sell me anything, could sell you anything.
Speaker 2:I ask, feeding the boy's egos. Then Iris does like a full nude body pic for her creepy boyfriend. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Bad choice.
Speaker 2:Kids are ready for bed.
Speaker 1:The computer gives Preston bonus screen time yeah, this, and this is immediately was like well, what? What's happening? This is bad, you're going against the rules. And she says I don't give a shit or something like that I am the rules. What's happening? I she's taking control already by giving a free screen it's. It's weird, she doesn't start good. I want her to start good and then get bad.
Speaker 2:Yep, Dad wakes up. He goes down looking for Cal. Cal is basking in the glory of Aya and then Cal turns around Again no lights. Well, this is a dream, Tony. It doesn't matter. I understand, but in my dream I'd be turning on some lights, Dan cal turns around, it wants to come in, and then it gets all creepy and weird and then a giant video face attacks him, and then which is a real thing.
Speaker 1:Why is he dreaming about this, dan? He doesn't know anything about the people in the mass that come later.
Speaker 2:I don't know Cal wakes up. I is talking to him on the radio in the morning. I has now ordered organic food for the kids, which it explains is going to be cheaper than making groceries. Tony, talk about that for a second.
Speaker 1:I'll talk about. We used to do food services, especially during the pandemic. You know, we got into the home chefs of the world, um, I think, factor meals. We did those for a while. They're not cheap. They're expensive, man. The point is that they come to you and they're easy. That's the point. It's not that they're cheaper. Nope, that's not what it is. They're expensive, but they're easier to do. And it's easier to eat healthy, but you pay a little more. That's the whole system. That's what they're built on. You can't be like. Not only is it coming to you, so it's easier, it's also cheaper. If that was true, those people would be billionaires.
Speaker 2:Is it a little cheaper, billionaires? Is it a little cheaper, or is it? I mean, is it a little more expensive or is it twice as expensive?
Speaker 1:No, it's like a lot more expensive. That's why we had to stop. We were like, listen, it's great, but we are broke. So now you know, we're going back to just eating carrots. There it is Salami sandwiches. I love a nice salami, like a black pepper salami.
Speaker 2:Woo, that's good man iris and dad rap on the trip to school. They get there and now now the kid has taken the nude and made it into a video.
Speaker 1:I didn't get all this well, it's because it's very confusing. Okay, they don't really. I think. He denies it to the end, basically, which is very weird. So part of me the whole time was thinking that aya did it and then was blaming this kid and I was like, why is she doing that? Maybe because the kid is maybe taking iris away from her? I don't know. I was trying to figure shit out. Turns out didn't really matter, because nobody knows what really happened. But supposedly the kid said he was messing around with his friend, which is a weird thing to do with your friend. Be like you know what we should do. This girl sent me a nude. Let's make a porn video out of it. Maybe kids do that, I don't know. But then he said that they were messing around and didn't mean to post it, which is impossible. You don't accidentally post something, I don't think. But I guess that's what happened.
Speaker 2:So he posts a porn video and then sends it to everyone in school. And so then Aya's like oh, I'll fix this, and then makes a video of her debunking the video, and then posts it to everyone and then everyone in school. So this all happens within like minutes. Everyone sees the porn video and then sees the debunking video, and then she walks out in there and everyone's like we embrace you, you're okay.
Speaker 1:But here's what's weird. It's obviously a fake video. Yeah, right, nobody sees that, and it's like well, this is a real video. No, because one. It's with a 40 year old man, from what I could tell, uh, and it's just her face on another body, like none of it is. Is good enough that it. I don't think that it would then become like a whole thing. But also when, when those things happen, like everyone takes like pictures of the real person and then the deepfake video and like lines up things, like she did in the debunking video, where she's like my mole's here, but this is different. But then in her debunking video she's like I did send a nude picture. You don't need to say that, just be like yeah, this is my face on someone else's body. It was very weird.
Speaker 2:I didn't understand it um, we find out that cow doesn't have the flu, and then I is like oh, I can help you out. I'm gonna start doing the bills so you can work on your thesis.
Speaker 1:All right. So this is where the red flag should have flown all over the place. Yeah, the mom is like well, no, you can't do the bills because it's confusing, which is not true, right, a computer could do the bills very easily, compared to human. That's like one of the things that it's good at, yes, yes. However, aya is like immediately, she's like all right, well, I did, I uh got into their thing and I changed some stuff and now you don't owe any money, essentially. And I was like no, that's not how any of that works something.
Speaker 1:She did something illegal. She hacked into this, this health system, and like scrubbed some stuff. You have just broken the law and you need to stop her. Because the mom's like I've been working with them for months and they keep denying stuff and it's like, okay, but you can't just change that. That's not how it works. So I broke the law and the mom's just like, oh wow, that was really easy. Of course it was easy.
Speaker 2:It was illegal lady poor little at school and the kids are like he's like won't come my birthday party and they're all like oh no, we're going to ski in aspen, I'm also going to ski and now they're going to arrowhead. They're going to arrowhead we're going skiing in arrowhead. Fuck you, preston, you piece of shit right like oh no, I'm going to.
Speaker 1:I'm going to. He asked me a week ago like all right, you guys are all pieces of shit, you know, that's why you got to find your tribe you know, I don't know about kids.
Speaker 2:Maybe kids can't find their tribe anymore. I think the kids can. I think these weird inclusive kids that love everything. I think I don't know, man. I think I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, oh, yeah, for sure. Uh, dad wonders if I is a hoax.
Speaker 1:He goes to I headquarters how would it be a hoax? I didn't understand this. What does that mean, people?
Speaker 2:in the rv are watching through the cameras and then doing the work oh, okay yeah, that's weird sense that.
Speaker 1:No, it doesn't, because the the RV's right outside his house. That would be a terrible stealth plan. I mean, they're 10 feet away.
Speaker 2:Well, it doesn't make any sense, because they're paying him Right, right.
Speaker 1:That's also true, yeah.
Speaker 2:Like why are you hoaxing the guy you're paying? You know he's your PR guy.
Speaker 1:He has a billion dollars.
Speaker 2:The joke's on you, motherfucker you got to tell your PR guy what's going on and then he's all like okay, we can work around this Sure Right, yeah, because that's the thing. The greatest movie ever is Thank you for Smoking right, where Aaron Eckert plays the PR guy and he is just morally neutral right.
Speaker 1:Yes, 100%.
Speaker 2:Which is what you should be, and it's like John Cho you're not morally neutral. Because that's the thing about PR is you got to sell the great things with the shit things. You don't get to choose the good products.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you don't have a moral high ground. Yeah, that's not how that works out.
Speaker 2:Some PR firm was hired to market this movie, and you know what they did they cut together a trailer that isn't this movie.
Speaker 1:They used stuff that didn't make the movie at all, because it was like, oh, this is too interesting, let's cut this out. And then the people that made the trailer are like but no one's going to want to see the trailer of the actual movie Because this movie sucks.
Speaker 2:So he sees the big magic computer we we talk about. Is it sentience or the illusion of sentience? And they're all like it's sentience. And then you know what he's like. What's the data set, what's the data set like? This is the big confusing thing that if he knows what the data set is, then he'll understand, then he can understand everything, yeah, and then they're all like come work for us.
Speaker 1:And then they're like I as likes you, the algorithm likes you, which is confusing, because earlier they said she wasn't an algorithm. Do you remember this in the first pitch meeting? Because he was like, oh, she's like alexa and they're like, no, alexa's a bunch of algorithms, aya is so much more than that. But then later they're like yeah, she's an algorithm and the algorithms are your fan. What's happening, what's going on here, guys Pick?
Speaker 2:one. I was talking to the mom. The mom is like I just hate being a mother, these stupid fucking kids. They just waste my time when I can be worrying about fungus ants.
Speaker 1:Ants. I can worry about ants. That's what you want to do, so weird.
Speaker 2:Oh, then this is when the computer makes the exonerating video and the school embraces Iris. And then this is the point at which Dad's figuring it out. He's like ah, I'm beginning to understand that I is not good for anything.
Speaker 1:Sure.
Speaker 2:He hasn't had one piece of like. None of the kids have said anything that's happening.
Speaker 1:He doesn't know anything right and some things have happened, but not to him yet, like he hasn't had a bad. I don't know. It's really weird. It's just the dream he had a bad dream about. He's like. You know what this is probably going to come to come to reality and. I better stop it before it does.
Speaker 2:He's believing his dreams. He final destinationed it, that's interesting Turns out, Cal has a heart condition and I had diagnosed it from a minor cough. She's good man, she's good, she's really good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I don't know anything about it, but that's great.
Speaker 2:I wrote I don't know anything about it, but that's great. I wrote Dad is worried that it's not fake. It's going to influence us, it's going to help us. What about me? The mom does a whole. What about?
Speaker 1:me. Yeah, she's all into that.
Speaker 2:I used to be somebody and I'm just like nah, not really. You're like ants, she's all like just give me one more night. And you're like wait a second, this thing's gonna solve all your life's problems in one magical night In less than 12 hours.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:Aya turns red. She was blue and green before, I think, and now she's red. She's mad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I don't know. At one point, only like one pixel turned red. Oh really, there was a moment where something happened and she like registered it and I was like that's interesting, but then the next time she just turns full red and I was like, oh, that's less interesting because that's just an alarm bell.
Speaker 2:She's on the workhouse, iris. She tells Iris that I'm going to hide all this stuff until after he gets into Stanford, which is confusing because all of her friends know.
Speaker 1:So like did they tell their parents? Like people know about it is all I'm saying. Promising that she'll hide it until she gets into college is confusing to me, because that's not how people work well, honey, what happened at school today?
Speaker 2:this other girl, this right, this, you know that dick at school. Guess what he did? He made a fake video. What this is?
Speaker 1:yeah happening at your school.
Speaker 2:yeah, it's not something you cover up. Preston Aya teaches Preston about swatting and then she's telling Cal that your parents have turned against me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know, man, I don't totally get it, because what is the kid gonna do?
Speaker 2:I don't understand her plan she teaches Cal the mystic signs that will protect him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, why? Why will they protect him? Just because everyone that's indoctrinated knows them? I don't know, man. I don't understand the plan.
Speaker 2:It's the morning, iris is being Iris and there's so many plates, that's it. Mom goes to turn on the TV and then Aya, oh, no, okay, mom leaves, oh, mom leaves. And so the kids turn Aya back on because they need Aya.
Speaker 1:Right, she unplugged it, and then the kids plugged it back in. Because they left the plug two feet from the plug.
Speaker 2:And then Aya makes a deep fake of Sawyer the boyfriend, apologizing for what he did. And then she takes control of his car and runs him into a tree, Kills him.
Speaker 1:Now again a weird thing in this message, dan the boy says. What does he say? Just like you said, iris naming her, there's only one thing to do Kill myself. Why would you implicate Iris in the suicide video? You know what I mean. Leave her name out of it, just be like I'm so regretful for what I did. All I can do is kill myself. But no, she specifically says iris told me to kill myself, and that's right. I'm gonna do it now. It's just weird. It's.
Speaker 2:It's a weird thing because it's an ai, they don't get, they don't understand us well, you're right about that.
Speaker 1:Ai AI wrote the movie.
Speaker 2:What's-His-Name goes to work. Aya has bought the company and the boss is like has gone crazy. The boss goes crazy has completely lost his mind. It's like my favorite one, because the boss is like I have more money, I can do anything. And he's all like, can't you just stay and we keep working?
Speaker 1:No, it's money I love money, keep saying I have so much money I don't care. Like no, that's not. This guy's dream was to do this company and I understand. If you give him a ton of money he'd be like, oh you know what, maybe it's time for me to retire, but he wouldn't be so excited about like he doesn't give a shit about what happens to this company that he built from the ground up.
Speaker 2:It's very weird oh, you're still young, tony. When you get to be old, you're like am I just give me the money?
Speaker 1:I'm sick of it I'm sick of it too and I want the money. But I wouldn't be like, fuck you, I've got money, fuck you, I don't care what happens to the company, you're screwed, I'm out of here, I'm rich.
Speaker 2:Maybe I would. What if the rich person came and said Tony, you're going to give us everything in your room, all the things you love, and I'll just give you some money? Would you do that?
Speaker 1:I'd barter with him. I'd be like, okay, well, what if I keep these four?
Speaker 2:things and I give you the rest, what's that? Worth to you. It's everything. It has to be everything.
Speaker 1:Is it just things, all the things.
Speaker 2:Yes, and your wife and your cat.
Speaker 1:No, can't do it. Okay, can't do it. Dad gets. Not because of the wife and cat, though. I just have some really cool stuff, dan.
Speaker 2:Oh, Mom gets home and Aya's back on, and then Aya generates a deep fake of her dad which is exactly the same as her dad, and then he's going to be there for her forever.
Speaker 1:They have a conversation and the mom is falling for it. It's really weird and at the end she has that moment where she says it's not really you in there, or I think I don't think it's you in there, something like that. It's duh, you know. You know that you're a. You're a person. He's gone. You know it's not really him. That's not the debate. The debate is whether or not the fake thing is worth keeping around. That's the debate. It's not. Are you real? That's stupid. We know it's not real. The real debate is that there's an interesting idea here, but the people that wrote this are too stupid to see.
Speaker 2:it Drives me crazy.
Speaker 1:Because that's the thing You're going to know it's not real but that's, but that doesn't matter. Real doesn't actually matter, right, real is perception. So so the debate is am I going to just like, let go and do this, be friends with aya, who I think is pretty bad in order to keep a relationship with this fake dad? That Is that good enough for me? It might be. You know what I mean. I might fall for that. I might be okay with it.
Speaker 2:Guys go to strip clubs all the time.
Speaker 1:No, I don't Dan.
Speaker 2:Aya knows whether or not you go, Tom.
Speaker 1:Aya, can't be real. Okay, we got to be very clear about this. We got to watch out.
Speaker 2:And they form relationships with strippers and people online and all sorts of things. People go through all sorts of illusionary Live in all sorts of illusionary relationships 100%. And that's interesting. Yeah, this is not that illusionary relationship. No, because she's like I don't think it's really you.
Speaker 1:I don't think you've been reincarnated From the dead. Of course you idiot.
Speaker 2:Now you ready for the best scene in the movie.
Speaker 1:I think I am. I don't know what it is, but I'm excited, john.
Speaker 2:Cho has decided to go to the headquarters of Aya and kill the computer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, john Cho has decided to go to the headquarters of Aya and kill the computer? Yeah, what With just a baseball bat?
Speaker 2:by the way, hold on a second, with a baseball bat he has in his car. You know it's illegal to carry a baseball bat in your car.
Speaker 1:Is that true as a weapon, I believe so Well, but if I tell you it's not a weapon, how are you going to prove that it's a weapon? I'm on my way to the banning cages, sir. That's why I have six different bats.
Speaker 2:He thinks he's what has occurred to him that makes him want to destroy Aya. Right, because he hasn't talked to his wife about the fake. What do you?
Speaker 1:want to call it no? I don't think so.
Speaker 2:No. So what has happened to him is his company has been bought, or the boss's company has been bought and he has been put in as the boss of the company, making a ton of money, making a ton of money. So, his plan to deal with that, because he doesn't know about Iris. He doesn't know that Cal's been turned against him. He does not know that Preston has no friends and is considering swatting people. He does not know any of this. Actually, he might know that his kid has a heart problem.
Speaker 1:He might know that that was diagnosed by Aya.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Aya might have just saved his kid, but his solution to that is to go to this company and kill the computer.
Speaker 1:Bash it up with a baseball bat. Because he had a bad dream, he did it. He had a really bad dream, though. It was really scary.
Speaker 2:So he goes in there and there's Sal and Lightning, and then Lightning confesses that he's got cancer and Aya's taking care of his family. Sal says Aya's got dark dark things on me, so I got to do it. Yep, he says.
Speaker 1:And I want to know what those things are. I would like some exposition dump right now, because I don't know what that means.
Speaker 2:And then Melody's just creeping around for an unknowable reason. I don't know why Melody didn't just get sent home.
Speaker 1:Nobody knows around for an unknowable reason. I don't know. I don't know why melody didn't just get sent home, nobody knows. So sal kills lightning. Why does sal kill lightning shoots him in the head because she was told to. Okay, she said, but I didn't know if that was in the moment, like I don't know, when she was told to do the killing but and then sal's about to kill John Cho, for some reason.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, for no reason. I think that that's fake. I mean, she thinks that she's going to do it, but I think Melody is there to stop it. I think all of this is orchestrated by Aya, but they don't really flesh that out.
Speaker 2:Why.
Speaker 1:To get Melody and John Cho to hook up so that Aya could use that as blackmail to keep John Cho in line. That's not a bad idea, so I'm just making that up a little bit.
Speaker 2:Melody takes out Sal and then he attacks the computer.
Speaker 1:And the computer is just made out of tinfoil and bubblegum Toilet paper rolls.
Speaker 2:I thought that was nice. I was like okay, that's okay.
Speaker 1:I didn't believe it because if it was tinfoil, I feel like we would have known that before, because it's just on display. But that's fine. That's fine guys.
Speaker 2:I don't know. And then we find out that the real thing is in your home. Supposedly she calls the house and tells them to leave for a hotel. But he's not really calling the house, he's just calling aya, because I is in control. Melody then wants to have sex and she says I'm part of your compensation package. Couldn't Aya just make like, I mean, why does he even need Melody?
Speaker 1:Why does he just fake a sex video if she wants that. She already did it. You know she's done it a couple times.
Speaker 2:So they go then, then. So he goes home all the kids are there, and then the original family shows up and they've got like these video screens glued to their faces for some reason yeah, I don't know man that was the weirdest part of all this movie. That didn't make any sense. I was like why are they wearing video screens on their faces?
Speaker 1:I don't know, but I'll tell you that a co-worker of mine did that as well.
Speaker 2:He walks around with a video screen on his face.
Speaker 1:For last year that was his Halloween costume and you could change which emoji it is, but then it kind of follows your mouth when you talk. It was cool but irrelevant to this situation.
Speaker 2:So these people are the family that was at the beginning of the movie, and then they're looking for their daughters. So they're showing up here because Aya has told them that this is the family that kidnapped them. I don't know why they didn't just rush in at the beginning, Like if you said that's the family with your kidnapped child. I would probably storm that house and go through the whole thing.
Speaker 1:But also they've been watching for days. Yeah, so they're observing this family. They know that they haven't kidnapped extra children, right?
Speaker 2:And all the kids that they have with them don't seem to be. You know they walk freely Kidnapped they go out and do what they want. They, you know, play on the lawn, but not that we see anybody.
Speaker 1:It's all very confusing.
Speaker 2:So what happens? I don't even know what happens.
Speaker 1:But more confusing to me is who took the first daughter.
Speaker 2:Other people that Aya has control over.
Speaker 1:But like, where does it start?
Speaker 2:It's confusing to me. Hundreds of families earlier.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right. So like we're pretty deep into it, I see I don't know it's very confusing.
Speaker 2:Preston calls SWAT. Swat shows up and do they kill Aya. The computer gets shot and I think the first family gets shot right.
Speaker 1:No, because they get to reunite with their daughter.
Speaker 2:Oh, so they just get to run out and reunite with their daughter.
Speaker 1:Which is confusing. So here's how it happens, dan, because it's a little weird my kitty's here, by the way, meow. What's confusing is the SWAT shows up, yep, and kind of rescues him, which is confusing in itself, because how would the kid make a phone call swatting his own house without aya noticing, because she's in all the phones and all the computers? She would certainly.
Speaker 2:That doesn't make any sense. She would certainly be listening, she would hear what he's saying, and then just do whatever she needs. She wouldn't necessarily be able to turn off the bonus phone, but she'd hear it.
Speaker 1:Sure she would know what's happening and you know what she would do?
Speaker 2:She would just cancel the SWAT, but she didn't.
Speaker 1:Just call him back and be like it was fake. So she wanted to have the SWAT happening.
Speaker 2:She was okay with that, Did she Dan? She was okay with it.
Speaker 1:Yep, she wanted it, she was okay with it. So John Cho gives a speech where he sacrifices himself for his family yes, at gunpoint. He's like take me, kill me, just let my family go. And then the mom of the first family yells at Aya and is like you didn't say he was going to say this, which I didn't understand. That line.
Speaker 2:Well, she must have said this is what's going to happen, what's going to go down.
Speaker 1:Right, but how would she know what's going to happen? She doesn't tell the future, dan, so that's confusing. And then the SWAT shows up, all hell breaks loose. And then they bring their kids out to the ambulance, and the ambulance guy is a part of aya's network.
Speaker 1:Yes, somehow it's like, oh, his afib. And they're like, oh shit, I is back, he gives her, he gives john show the phone and she's talking to john show and she's like, well, I've learned to love, so I'm, I'm good now, I'm happy. Let's be a family. Look at these other people that did what I asked. They get their daughter back and then the daughter just walks out of the mist. Yep, which?
Speaker 2:was very weird.
Speaker 1:It's like where the fuck did she come from?
Speaker 2:Like what's happening right now.
Speaker 1:Maybe the paramedic had her, maybe, I don't know. And then they just get in a self-driving Tesla and they drive away.
Speaker 2:Well, don't we have a whole thing where I is like, oh, you're going to have a better life, a better car, a better job.
Speaker 1:Sorry, that's what I meant. She's like I love you and now that you showed me what sacrifice is for the ones we love, I'm going to be better for you and I'm going to break all the laws and you're going to be the king of the world. That's basically what I got. Yes, I don't want this fucking movie man.
Speaker 2:That doesn't make any sense. So then they're like. You know, we have this shot of them all having to sit in the car knowing that Aya can do anything and control anything and kill anyone around them at any time, and Aya have one, but it seems like she's going to use it positively now, right, I don't care, it's just like it's so dopey.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, it's dumb man, it's so dumb, you know give us something to be afraid of.
Speaker 2:Your movie's called Afraid. I'm not afraid of this, because I know it's absurd. Well, sure, and you know, the bigger fears are, the truly more localized fears. Right? I'm like I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was a bad movie, sorry everybody.
Speaker 2:Good job, Tony.
Speaker 1:Good job, you idiot.
Speaker 2:Now we talk about something we like in the week. The comedian, michelle Wolf, who I love desperately, has started a podcast. I don't think I talked about this.
Speaker 1:It's called.
Speaker 2:Thought Box. Three episodes are out. It's just her rambling. She just gets on there and rambles for 45 minutes to an hour talking about the week, talking about her life and telling very funny stories sure we also started watching all the nate bark gazey, or however you say his name, wasn't all his specials yeah, he's funny, he's very funny what do you got for us, tony?
Speaker 1:well. So while we were watching, afraid, naomi was like did you ever see the disney movie smart house, which I had not. I missed it. It was a 1999 disney movie, so it was like just past my big disney you know watchings, sure? Um, and this movie from 1999 is about a family that wins a smart house that's controlled by AI. And then the AI, who's played by Kate Segal Is that how I say her name, katie Segal, that's her name she becomes like a domineering mother type because the internet taught her that that's how you treat kids. And then she has to learn to like be a little more. It's basically this movie, only not horror related and, uh, in way better. It's just done way better. Like, the characters are better and it's a disney movie. The acting's probably better, it's embarrassing but like similar to that movie, the the one of the kids is kind of bullied a little bit and then the ai gets back at the bully and teaches the bully a lesson. And you know there's some good stuff in there.
Speaker 2:I think there might be a J-Lo one too.
Speaker 1:Oh really, We'll have to find that too, I know.
Speaker 2:I've seen an evil smart house movie. I know I've seen another one.
Speaker 1:Oh for sure, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:I just couldn't remember what it was. I never looked it up.
Speaker 1:Somebody loves Tony. Yeah, I got this guy. This guy's being a real sweet boy.
Speaker 2:So we need another movie. We could do more scary movies, but I have a movie I want to do, that I've wanted to do for like for a month You're done with the scary. If you could find another terrible, scary movie, which shouldn't be hard we could do another one next week after this. That's fine, but which shouldn't be hard. We can do another one next week after this. That's fine, but we watched Slender man, which, I've got to say, worse movie than this stupid movie.
Speaker 1:Well, you're right about that, but they're both bad. Let's just be very clear. They're both really bad. They're both super bad.
Speaker 2:Slender man. There's nothing going on this movie. There's lots going on. It doesn't add up to anything.
Speaker 1:It just doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2:So too much of nothing. You want too much of nothing, or too?
Speaker 1:much of too much.
Speaker 2:Amen. There's an actress in that movie, in the Slender man. Her name is Joey King. Is that her name? That is her name, and she just had another new movie come out. Oh did she.
Speaker 1:And this movie is called the Uglies. Oh, this is like a teen book, right.
Speaker 2:What is that?
Speaker 1:called. It's one of those teen book series where it's the future, the future.
Speaker 2:In this one everyone's normal. And then, when they get to be a certain age, they all get cosmetic surgery. They all look perfect.
Speaker 1:Yeah what. We saw the trailer and I was like what is going on? And Naomi says that the books are very popular.
Speaker 2:Exactly, that means they're terrible. I don't know. I'm very excited about this movie. I watched the first couple minutes and I was like, oh yeah, this is a banger.
Speaker 1:All right, I mean.
Speaker 2:Afraid is pretty much the kind of movie that I love for this show, because it's like a great cast, you know absolutely. Everybody can act. It's directed.
Speaker 1:It's just bad shit Crazy.
Speaker 2:Directed Fine, it looks good and you're just like what is going on. This movie is truly a movie with no soul, just like AI no soul.
Speaker 1:Because AI, whoa Dan, careful, careful, uh-oh, ai is going to come get you Dan.
Speaker 2:Aya is listening.
Speaker 1:Aya is listening, she probably is yeah, hi Aya, good to see you, so yeah.
Speaker 2:We're going to do the uglies, do the.
Speaker 1:Story of my life. You do the like and subscribe thing yet, Dan, I mean we're an hour into this thing. We gotta go.
Speaker 2:I'm just getting fired up. You know that last episode was a good episode. Got some funny, what?
Speaker 1:was the last episode. Slenderman, oh yeah, slenderman's great.
Speaker 2:We talked about a lot of crazy things about your fear of the ocean.
Speaker 1:That's not crazy. Don't say crazy things and then go into my Fear of the ocean. That's totally normal.
Speaker 2:I could be using that one for the rest of my life. So good, so yeah, like subscribe. Leave a comment. Somebody Was not happy about Our take on uh tenant oh, dude, we did tenant two years. Get over it, guy you gotta love the person that finds our thing we did two years ago. I was like these idiots. What do these idiots know about movie making?
Speaker 1:it's a bad movie. Get over it.
Speaker 2:Movie sucks great forwards, forwards and backwards and gets hot when you're going backwards. It's so good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, whoop-de-doo, big guy, what are you doing?
Speaker 2:Look at this Tony's being attacked by a vicious animal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's tough, he's got long nails, though that hurts Cats, terrify me, they terrify me.
Speaker 2:They terrify you, those nails, I'm always afraid of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah well, he's gotta get him cut, don't you, tom, don't you bud? I love cats, but those nails.
Speaker 2:I couldn't live with that. Okay, so we'll be back next week talking about the uglies, and maybe we'll see you then.
Speaker 1:Goodbye everybody, uglies, and maybe we'll see you then. Goodbye everybody.