Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
Hate Watching Slender Man
Ever found yourself squinting at a screen, not because you need glasses, but because the movie is just that dimly lit? That's exactly where we found ourselves with the "Slender Man" movie, a film that left us fumbling with our remote to adjust the brightness just to see if there was anything worth watching. We've all heard of Slender Man, but how did a character with such a nonsensical origin become an internet horror icon? Join us as we navigate the murky waters of this film's lackluster attempt at horror, and ponder what actually makes a story spine-chilling.
Remember the first time you watched "Halloween" or "Friday the 13th"? We're diving back into those horror classics, and let's just say it was a revelation compared to our "Slender Man" struggle. We even took a mid-movie detour to "Below Deck" just to cleanse the palate. Our conversation meanders through the highs and lows of horror cinema, from appreciating the tension-building genius of "Halloween" to chuckling over the quirky narrative of "Mikey." We also spare a thought for talented actresses like Joey King, musing over how even her skills couldn't save this sinking ship.
But the horror doesn't stop there. We've got ghost-hunting escapades planned, a hopeful future as YouTube stars, and a hilarious take on sneeze etiquette that you won't want to miss. We round off the episode with some light-hearted banter on dating dynamics, and a teaser for our next critique featuring a familiar face from "Harold and Kumar" and "Star Trek." Whether it's puzzling over confusing character names or laughing at bizarre plot decisions, we promise you an episode full of humor, horror, and a sprinkle of the supernatural.
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That movie was so dark I had to turn the contrast on my thing up all the way. So dark.
Speaker 2:Dan, that was going to be one of the first things I said. I think I only saw 40 to 45% of the movie. I guess that's the point Pretty sure.
Speaker 1:I was just looking at my thing and I was like how do I turn the contrast up?
Speaker 2:How do I adjust my computer to see a movie? But you're already losing a battle right there. That's terrible.
Speaker 1:Welcome to Hate Watching with Dan and Tony. I am Dan, I am Tony and we're in the thick of the Halloween season. We're actually running out of Halloween season because we start Halloween season a week late.
Speaker 2:You bring it up. You've brought up twice now, dad, it's enough, we get it. I can't do math, it's hard, but we're going to do one extra week. We're going to do a special November episode of Halloween. Oh really that I have to decide what it is.
Speaker 2:I mean, if you don't want to, you don't have to. I just feel bad that I've basically stolen one of your movies, so I feel bad about it. You haven't really stolen one of my. I stole an opportunity from you to choose a wonderful film of the horror genre, but didn't I do Ghost Rider and then this movie. Yeah, that's true. You did one early, that's right. So actually this is all your fault.
Speaker 2:You threw off the whole count because ghost writer was the week before october and then the first week of october I messed up and didn't pick a horror movie, and now we've done a couple since then.
Speaker 1:It's all messed up it's a bad year we need to to edit the old episodes and make it so Ghost Rider we say came out in October.
Speaker 2:Nobody will ever know.
Speaker 1:We're trying to find bad horror movies and we're succeeding, of course we're succeeding.
Speaker 2:There's lots of those.
Speaker 1:The movie this week. I got to pick and I picked Slender man.
Speaker 2:An important emphasis on the space there.
Speaker 1:Now from, I believe, 2018 or 19, because there was also one in 2018, which was like looking for Slender man, which I don't think had the space between er and man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, from what I can tell, it's generally accepted to spell it either way.
Speaker 1:Oh, really Okay.
Speaker 2:Interesting Because, much like all of the mythos around Slender man, did you do any research? By the way, I did not do my research. It's gobbledygook, it is all. There is no. There are no rules. It's just like whoever wants it to do whatever they want. It just happens. It's the worst. I listen, I don't want to speak ill of anyone, okay, okay, but the people that fell for this 10, 20 years ago whatever dumbest people I've ever seen in my life. This is the least convincing, uh, boogeyman type figure I've ever heard of, because there's no concrete. What does he do? I don't know what he does. How can you be afraid of something you don't know what he does? Like who cares?
Speaker 1:I mean, those two girls killed their little sister, or something over this.
Speaker 2:Did they kill her or did they attempt to kill her?
Speaker 1:I can't remember if-. Hopefully they attempted to kill her. Let's just leave it there. I can't remember if I hope she lived. I hope they attempted to kill her.
Speaker 2:Let's just leave it there, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go with that.
Speaker 2:Maybe I'm living in a dream world, but that's where I'm going to stay.
Speaker 1:Yeah well, I mean, isn't that the nature of the creepypasta is? It's built on from the collective imaginations of a bunch of 12-year- year old girls, and so you don't get anything real dumb yeah, it's dumb, I hate it and this is.
Speaker 2:I had never really dug into this creepy pasta until you told me. I didn't even know the term until last week when you told me because that's how stupid I am but uh, it seems dumb. It's just a terrible like why. The creepier thing is is like I have to know what it is. I need to know what to be afraid of. I can't just be afraid of like a random thing that maybe doesn't have a face. Sometimes he has a face. He's pretty skinny, sometimes he wears a suit, sometimes he has hats and sometimes he doesn't. Sometimes he has octopus.
Speaker 1:I'm telling go to the wiki on this thing it is all over the board, and the good thing about this movie is the filmmakers didn't make a choice.
Speaker 2:No, they're like we'll just try everything, depending on what point of the movie we're at.
Speaker 1:You know, I was thinking about horror movies, right yeah?
Speaker 2:as you should.
Speaker 1:I was going to say this to you and you're going to be aghast. Okay, don't think I've ever seen Friday the 13th. Don't think I've ever seen Halloween.
Speaker 2:Don't think I've ever seen the first. No, no, no, no, no, no. Hold on, Don't pass by Halloween. One of the best films ever made.
Speaker 1:Don't think I've ever seen the first Freddy movie right, the Nightmare on Elm Street. Don't think I've seen any of those.
Speaker 2:You emphasized first several times here. Are you saying you've seen some of the sequels and not seen the originals?
Speaker 1:I saw the terrible Halloween one. That's not where it's like evil program pumpkins, halloween 3, season of the Witch Great movie. I saw that. And I think I saw the third Freddy movie when I was in South America in a movie theater and I was like what? Because I was in South America in a movie theater. And I was like what? Because I was just bored one day I was like I'll go to the movies.
Speaker 2:That was the only movie. Oh, just go check out the cinema. I don't care that it says number three by the name.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wanted to go to the movies and see what it was like, and the funny thing was it was in English and then the Spanish subtitles.
Speaker 2:Oh, that is interesting, yeah, subtitles oh, that is interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's cray cray. I love it. Don't remember anything about it, but I think it was the third one, so that those I mean.
Speaker 2:If it's the third one, it's dream warriors. Could have been, could have been um, I could tell you what it's about. I don't really remember.
Speaker 1:They all blend together so I'm assuming that in the good ones of those, you know, the first of all these movies, you have a bunch of characters, right, right?
Speaker 2:Off to a good start.
Speaker 1:They get picked off one at a time. There's rising tension as they sort of learn the rules and trying to figure out what's going on before the next one's picked off, and then the last person sort of mobilizes that information to survive in some way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, that's exactly right for nightmare on elm street, okay, like that's exactly what happens, because you have to learn the rules and that one rules are very important because he comes to you when you sleep and that's pretty confusing. Yeah, um, same with with, uh, friday the 13th. You know you have to figure out who the killer is, because we all kind of think it's Jason. I wonder what it would have been like watching that movie when it came out, by the way, because I think people now look back on it and they forget that sometimes, since Scream they're probably, but they sometimes forget that it was actually Jason's mother. Mrs Voorhees is the killer in the first movie. Jason doesn't appear to the second one.
Speaker 1:I've heard that yeah, right.
Speaker 2:So I wonder if, in the, when you see it, when it came out, if you had that thought that, oh, it's jason back to life. But I feel like we have that thought because we know jason comes back to life anyhow. It's very confusing, um, but yeah, she has to figure out who the killer is and then, and then chops her, chops her head off, which great. And then Halloween is the greatest film ever made, dan, and you should probably watch it.
Speaker 1:Okay. But I mean you're scared because you feel like the deaths are inevitable. But the characters are trying to. It's not just like each character just sort of wanders down a street and gets killed. They sort of have an understanding that there's something really to dread and there's an inevitability.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they don't joke about it. You know what I mean With their friends, when their friend's missing their tech's like where is she so rude? What the fuck? What's happening? I'm getting ahead of myself, obviously, but there's some weird stuff in this movie. I just want to real quickly. Dan Halloween is a master class of tension. Oh, I don't think that people watching today would watch it and be scared, necessarily, but it builds tension perfectly and it's a perfectly paced film. It's beautifully shot. I would recommend watching that.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'll watch Halloween, then we get this movie right. This movie, oh yeah, oh wait. Before I talk about this, a huge apology to you, tony. Oh, really.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I was very disparaging of Mikey. Yeah, there was actually stuff in Mikey.
Speaker 2:See, thank you. Here's the problem, dan, in general. First of all, I accept your apology because I know where it's coming from and you haven't seen enough horror movies to understand that there was some really great stuff in Mikey, like really fun. It's not a good movie, we all agree. It's a terrible movie, but there's some fun stuff in there, man there's a.
Speaker 1:There's a kid losing his shit because his mom sold fish that he was in love with.
Speaker 2:That's right that more entertaining than the entirety of slender man, I believe amen, yeah, that's a two minute scene and it blows this out of the proverbial water oh, my god, yeah, I mean this movie's really bad. My God, I mean this movie's really bad though, to be very clear, this movie's really bad.
Speaker 1:You know, you thought you were bored watching Mikey. No watch. Slenderman, You're just like oh, my God you know once again only an hour and 31 minutes, thank God.
Speaker 2:It took me two days to watch it. We had to stop. We had to stop it last night. You had to stop. Yeah, we took a time out. We're just like you know what. We're going to go back to watching Below Deck, because this movie is terrible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, but. Halloween I think that's the main thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so this movie, it's really, really bad it made me doubt joey king as an actor, which made me sad because I think generally I like her um she was really bad some good actresses in this movie. So like it's some people that have done things. Yeah, I don't know if I believe they're good anymore. Um, which is unfair? It's probably unfair. The one girl that plays Chloe was the Dan, I'm going to tell you right now I don't know which girl is which. The African-American girl Chloe, Okay, great.
Speaker 1:She's the lead in Generation V. Yep, yeah, she's incredible in that. She's incredible in that. And yeah, the girl that plays Ren, who you said, you just said her name. Whatever her name is. Joey King yeah, she's been in tons of stuff I don't remember what, but she's been in stuff I really liked. I was like she's really good, they don't give her anything to do.
Speaker 2:No, this movie does not make you believe that they're good.
Speaker 1:And the red-headed girl, Katie. She's been in all sorts of stuff. It's the funniest thing about this is you have three really good leads and you pick this other girl who you?
Speaker 2:know, of course it's kind of the through line there's the through line.
Speaker 1:Who is the least interesting of all of them?
Speaker 2:yeah, uh, here's what I want to talk about real quickly. Dan is the naming in this movie so we have so painful. We have katie, katie, chloe, lizzie and there's one other e. What is the? What is the fourth? You mean so painful? We have Katie, katie, chloe, chloe, lizzie and there's one other E what is the fourth? You mean the main character in the?
Speaker 1:movie. That's the one. Yeah, what's her name? Her name is Hallie.
Speaker 2:Hallie, why are they all E names? Why do they all end in E? I don't get it.
Speaker 1:Shannon made the. I did the same bit to Shannon. She made like a joke. It's like because millennial women are stupid or something. She said something like that and I was like, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:Well, it's too bad she's not on the podcast. She would have knocked it out of the book.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Good joke, Good joke, Good joke, Shannon. Good job, Shannon. So yeah, the naming in this movie is just you're like, at one point she goes into the woods searching for Katie and I thought she was searching for her sister and I'm like, and you're hearing a voice and you're like I don't know whose voice that is.
Speaker 2:Also, the voice is coming from everywhere. Why would you go into the woods? Sorry, we'll talk about it later. I can't. Honestly, dan. I wrote five pages of notes and then quit, because I was like I'm going to write down four things for every scene in this movie.
Speaker 1:Okay, we start with spooky music. Small town America a school girls at the track. One of the girls sneezes and the other girl's. Like you know, that's in the ancient times. That was how they said. You were expelling a demon.
Speaker 2:And then what's her joke? Joke, I don't think that was a joke. They think it's a joke. They laugh at it. She says that's why, I quote never sneeze. That's not possible. It's not a joke either. You have to sneeze. It's like that's just a lie, right like what's going on here?
Speaker 1:I get yelled at for sneezing I'm sorry, how?
Speaker 2:how sneeze for me? Give me an. Give me an example of what a damn good cell sneeze is like, just so I know what I'm working with my sneezes are terrible, they're.
Speaker 1:Are they powerful? They're powerful, they're. They can be painful at times.
Speaker 2:I can hurt myself with my sneezes, like your lungs, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:No, I can like pull a muscle in my chest because of my sneezes. They're so hard sometimes.
Speaker 2:It's painful. Wow, look at you.
Speaker 1:So you know I cover my mouth and still Shannon gets. Sometimes she'll get very angry with me because I sneeze too loud and she's like you can control that. She's like you can control that I'm like I can't control it.
Speaker 2:I can't. That's where you're wrong.
Speaker 1:I cannot control my sneezes.
Speaker 2:Here's what I will say Dad, because I'm in the opposite boat with my lady here. You're like a little sneeze, you're like oh, no, no, I sneeze, I have big sneezes and I always thought it was because I have a nice powerful barrel chest, you know, like a real man. But she does hide her sneezes.
Speaker 1:She will try to hold them in. She disappears in her special sneezes.
Speaker 2:She plugs her, nose Plugs her nose. Yeah, she like holds it all in. I think she's going to give herself an aneurysm At one point in time. She's going to do one of these and her head's just going to blow up and that'll be the end of my life. But so apparently you can technically control them. I just don't think you're supposed to. I think you're supposed to let them do what they do.
Speaker 1:In the hall. They see boys. You know what are you boys doing? You guys going to go to a circle, jerk.
Speaker 2:Which, yeah, I mean, you know what are you boys doing? Are you guys going to go?
Speaker 1:to a circle jerk, which, yeah, I mean, you know we do that, it's true, that's what we do, it's true. And then there's a kid who might be named Kyle, might be named Carl yeah, might have might.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure.
Speaker 1:So yes, like we said with all the girls, Hallie is our main girl, Wren is sort of the bad girl. Chloe is the African-American girl and Katie is the red-haired girl.
Speaker 2:Which, by the way, let me just say real quickly and I'm a white guy, I get it, but if you have to specify a character in a movie as the African-American or like the Asian girl, that means your characters aren't any good. That shouldn't be the only defining thing about them in the movie. All of these girls are the same to me in my head. I have no idea who any of them are. This is some of the worst character development I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 1:There's no character development, there's no art. Well, okay, you're right, it's just missing altogether. Yeah, it's just they left that out. So it seems like Chloe, the African-American girl, is into this Carl Kyle guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe, maybe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then Hallie and him sort of have something secret. So I'm like, oh, okay here we go. Maybe, right, she's into her, but Hallie's really kind of maybe not hooking up with him, but there's already there and I'm like, oh, this is you know, and then Slenderman's going to get involved.
Speaker 2:Right, classic high school drama. Yeah, absolutely no, no, not at all. We never mention it again.
Speaker 1:We never say that again. Oh no, we actually have one other scene where it sort of conflicts again and I was like oh okay, Do we really? Yeah, there's another scene where you're like you like him. Oh, you like him, you like him and I was like they're doing it to Chloe. They're doing, you like him, you like him and I was like okay we're going to get there and then we drop it.
Speaker 2:Then it's gone, okay, all right.
Speaker 1:All right, they're at dinner with the parents. We talk about track. How Hallie's into track and track is this thing and this sort of becomes a bit of a plot line at the end.
Speaker 2:A little tiny bit, oh, a little bit a bit of a plot line at the end, a little tiny bit. Oh, because she runs. Is that what you're?
Speaker 1:saying there's a line where the two of them talk and they're like the girl Hallie's like oh no, ren's like you only care about track, you only love track.
Speaker 2:And she's all like, yeah, I got track tomorrow oh okay, because I also remember there's a part when they're doing the sacrificing and one of the girls was like oh, I'm surprised you didn't bring all your trophies and stuff. And then the other girl's like I don't care about the trophies, and I was like what, why do I? Who cares? Then if you have trophies but don't care about them, what does that mean? What does that matter? Why is this in the movie?
Speaker 1:I don't care, because I think maybe that's why the magic didn't work, because she did care about the trophies.
Speaker 2:She did care. She's lying to everybody. The trophies are her most prized possession.
Speaker 1:We learned one of the other teammates is pregnant. Mom is like this weird skull. You're like, oh my god, this mom is terrible and the dad's kind of like cool dad.
Speaker 2:Aloof yeah.
Speaker 1:And you're like oh this is gonna ramp up Nope.
Speaker 2:Nope, nope.
Speaker 1:Doesn't matter. Little sister wants to come out with them. Her name is Lizzie, and then they're like no.
Speaker 2:She fits right into the group, honestly Ren and Lizzie. And then they're like no, she fits right into the group, honestly Ren and Lizzie should just switch, because Ren doesn't really fit in the group.
Speaker 1:And Lizzie, you know, looks the same age, is the same height. You know, we're just like.
Speaker 2:If not a little older. There were moments where I was like I think she's older than these girls. She's got some wisdom in those eyes.
Speaker 1:They go to the redhead's house who is Katie and immediately start watching porn.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can't really comment on this, being that I've never been at a sleepover for girls. I don't believe it.
Speaker 1:I don't think that's their automatic go-to. First thing off. Let's watch a bunch of porn so that we can understand it. I'm like, who is writing this? Do some do?
Speaker 2:some things that girls maybe do. Boys are writing this. This is what we fantasize girls do at sleepovers. We're like they're thinking about it just as much as we are uh, her, her dad is upstairs drunk.
Speaker 1:She's like you know one of these days I'm getting out of here hitting the road and doing something. Yeah, I don't know what she was gonna do probably Ren says you know what the boys are doing tonight.
Speaker 2:They're summoning Slenderman, which is weird because, guaranteed, the boys are the ones watching porn. Right, it's weird that they're. The girls are watching porn and be like you know what the boys are probably doing? A cult thing, definitely that's what? No, no, the boys are watching the same porn you are right now you know, we played dungeons and dragons when we were kids.
Speaker 1:Yeah, me too. We didn't do a cult things. We played dungeons and dragons, played board games, we played video games. I did, uh-oh, you did the occult.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we messed around with a Ouija board. I'm not going to lie to you.
Speaker 1:Oh, you got out the Ouija board we used to love.
Speaker 2:A good Ouija, you and the boys Well yeah, I mean I brought it to the boys Post we all got a circle around okay, that's right um your mom was. Your mom was into my mom's big time into like the ghosts in the afterlife still it's.
Speaker 1:We're gonna go ghost hunting after after I'm get fired from my job here oh really, um you we're gonna have, we're gonna form our own ghost hunting channel well, that's one of our plans.
Speaker 2:she's got an rv and we're like let's just travel the US and do some ghost hunting, capture the whole thing, become millionaires on YouTube Can.
Speaker 1:I ride behind you on a motorcycle. I can be the cool thing, do you?
Speaker 2:have a motorcycle? Yes, dan, you're invited. If you bring a motorcycle, you can come anywhere you want. Man, that's cool. If you have a jacket, you have to wear the leather jacket too oh, make a leather jacket, badass but yeah, my mom was totally into it, so we used to do it as a family oh, yes, my dad, because my dad obviously doesn't believe any of that. Um, and then I, you know, I would try to get the boys to do it, yeah I love ghosts doing the ouija board excellent um, but also we played a lot of dungeons and dragons and a lot of video games.
Speaker 2:We used to to do LAN parties. You know we didn't. It wasn't like a main staple. It wouldn't be. If someone was guessing what we were doing, they wouldn't guess we were playing with a Ouija board. That was like a rare occurrence in October, sure.
Speaker 1:Now LAN parties. What is a LAN party?
Speaker 2:LAN, local area network. You hook up a bunch of computers and you play multiplayer. Area network. You hook up a bunch of computers and you play multiplayer. This is before, like you know, massive online play. So you used to play like um halo 3. You know that's a good one. Quake arena I've heard anybody remembers that game. Heard of that.
Speaker 1:So they. They go on the internet. They find out about slenderman. He preys upon the youth. How you summon him? What you do is you close your eyes, clear your thoughts, and then these three bells go bong, bong, bong.
Speaker 2:Now Dan did you do any research, because I went on a couple of different Wikipedias and I couldn't find that this was the summoning for Slender man at all. Oh really, so this?
Speaker 1:part they made up.
Speaker 2:I don't know, maybe they found a different website than I did five years ago. I don't know, but from my understanding this is not correct. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, this is the lore of the movie, so I think this is how kids all do it now.
Speaker 2:Right, but it's just very like Candyman.
Speaker 1:You know, or Bloody Maryary you know what I mean. Like there's nothing, they just had.
Speaker 2:They were like well, we have to find a way to summon it, which I don't think you do. I think he's just there, I think he decides when he comes, I think, anyhow. Well, I mean, so this is what we've set up. You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1:This is the world we live in this movie is devoid of new ideas, so they may as well just fold in other mediocre ideas and which they do big time, because this movie is basically the ring.
Speaker 2:Oh, I wish I wish it was the right no, obviously not as good, but the whole, like apparently the whole thing is, they watched a video and now that's summoning him as well they.
Speaker 1:They watched the video and they summoned him, but then they're also infected by the video. So you've got Candyman summoning and video infection. And when they take off the blindfolds and they get video infected.
Speaker 2:it's like yeah, some weird distortion, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't get it. And Slenderman kind of a tree Kind of lives in a tree kind of comes out of a tree kind of also is a tree.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's got like those tentacles that sometimes look like a tree. Yeah, got tentacles, dan. Yes, let me ask you a question. Ask me a question. Horror movies have rules, right? What are the rules of Slenderman, can you tell me? Can you concisely tell me what his rules are?
Speaker 1:He's going to either take you away or drive you insane.
Speaker 2:Why? How does he choose between the two?
Speaker 1:You can't know. He just decides oh, you can't, yeah, he just decides oh, you can't, yeah, he just decides, he arbitrarily decides what he wants to do to you. But you know, that's great, that's great, it's interesting. Do you know who HP Lovecraft is?
Speaker 2:Dan, of course Are you kidding me. I love HP.
Speaker 1:Okay, you love HP, lovecraft, Super big racist. But whatever, tony, okay, hold time, hold.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I'm not saying I love him as a person. I've never met him. Okay, I don't know him that well. I love his works, all right.
Speaker 1:So HP.
Speaker 2:Lovecraft, super big racist I know, that's the funny thing.
Speaker 1:You know you got all the woke people who don't let you know he's a bad guy. You see, he's alive in a piece of shit, so that is.
Speaker 2:That is the difference right like he's still kicking and still doing bad things.
Speaker 1:That's, that's on you, sir you know, if hp lovecraft was still alive and he was, like you know, going on live streams and being a big dick you should be like man we could hate him. I don't know, man, I'm gonna'm going to go somewhere else for my fun. You're like you know, in 1911, he was a horrible racist. You know, I'm going to have to let some of that go.
Speaker 2:Right, it's like, oh well, not great, but it was a long time ago.
Speaker 1:I'm going to acknowledge that if his books are like that, okay H. His books are, you know, like that, okay hb. Lovecraft always is like sort of positing these, these intelligences from outside our world that would come down here which we, we could not understand, right?
Speaker 2:so that's what slenderman is, he's like but it's different right, because also he doesn't understand himself you know what I? Mean slenderman's confused, he's got, he's going through an identity crisis and nobody's helping him figure it out. Honestly, I feel bad for him.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, and he's not that different than some Doctor who villains. Like the Silence right Kind of has the same look as the Silence from Doctor who. I believe you.
Speaker 2:I didn't look up when they did the silence, but I feel like there was an episode of Buffy the vampire slayer that had something similar, like a tall, skinny dude in a suit. I'm pretty sure it's been a long time since I've watched Buffy, but I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean you shouldn't go back to Buffy. I've never gone back to it.
Speaker 2:I. I went back to Buffy at the beginning of the pandemic, but I never made it all the way through because we did the spinoff. When Angel left, we started watching Angel and then we remembered that that show wasn't nearly as good, and then we just quit everything.
Speaker 1:Good old Charisma Carpenter.
Speaker 2:Whatever?
Speaker 1:happened to her.
Speaker 2:She was saying something recently that I saw. Oh good, yeah, yeah, you do your thing. I'm going to look it up because there's definitely something.
Speaker 1:So yes, so boom. Oh, there's an evil gate in the forest which, I guess, if you go through the gate, you end up in Slenderman land.
Speaker 2:Why? Where did that come from? What does that have to do with anything? I don't know.
Speaker 1:Okay movie. And then they go to bed and then they start having bad dreams. A week later they're all having bad dreams, but because they're such good friends, they don't talk to each other about all having bad dreams after doing the slenderman thing right, which what I'm.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna posit a theory here, dan, these girls not not actually friends, they're not friends at all not really.
Speaker 1:They don't seem like it, and they don't seem like it at all. You know, you start talking. I mean, that's the whole thing. Is you exchange information?
Speaker 2:We have text messages now, dan, the random shit that I get from my brother over text message these days you know what I mean. Like people say dumb shit all the time because it's so easy, I don't have to call you. I don't have to call you, I don't have to see you, I can just wake up and be like bro. Guess what? I just dreamed about Clifford the Red Dog who gives a shit. But you know, you know everything.
Speaker 1:Information is so freely distributed these days. You're not wrong. You are not wrong. So, yes, when did they take the field trip to Tony A cemetery? Did I get that right? An?
Speaker 2:historic cemetery. Is that something you grew up in Los Angeles? Did you ever take a trip to the Hollywood Cemetery for school, or something I grew up in Orange County? Does that not count? I don't know anything about California. It's very different.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to think if I knew where there was a cemetery as a kid.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:Shannon, as opposed to Shannon, who grew up in LA. They used to hang out in cemeteries. Absolutely, Absolutely.
Speaker 2:Wait. First of all, that's different than going on a field trip. She was just hanging out in cemeteries. She was a goth Dan. You gotta get out. You gotta get out now. Okay, something going on with.
Speaker 1:Shannon, draining my soul when I'm sleeping.
Speaker 2:Just sucking out. No, no, no, they definitely.
Speaker 1:Shannon and her people definitely did magic, you know yeah, like Wicca yeah of course Cool, yeah, that's dope.
Speaker 2:Ask her if she ever did a Ouija board. I don't know, it's a good question.
Speaker 1:We can get together. Field trip to the graveyard. Claudia is I don't even know who Claudia is. Someone was macking. I wrote macking on Carl the kid, so I think maybe it was Katie was no, no, maybe it was Chloe was macking on Carl.
Speaker 2:I just love that you used the word macking. I know, yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1:I wrote that down because I knew you would enjoy that. They've all been having nightmares. Katie, the redhead zones out and she's sort of seeing stuff and the next we know she's gone.
Speaker 2:I didn't even know. Did I miss something, dan? Because here's what I remember you did. They're in, like the cemetery, or she's looking into the woods Yep Looking. And then the next scene where everyone's normal but she's missing and nobody cares.
Speaker 1:Well, no, the next scene everyone's like sort of milling around and then a guy gets out of a car and tan suit and I'm like oh, and then there's like six or eight parents who are all convoing and then the police show up and then we hear that Katie has disappeared, and then we put all the kids on the bus and they, they're all like on the bus and they're all pissed. The kids are all pissed because it's holding them up.
Speaker 2:Right, nobody cares that someone disappeared from their field trip? Nope, that's weird to me. Even if they didn't like her, some people were her friends. Right, some people should care.
Speaker 1:I mean, everybody knows who her three friends are and no one in a position of authority talks to any of those three kids.
Speaker 2:Right, nobody. It's weird there's no emotional connection to a missing child.
Speaker 1:Not really.
Speaker 2:It's bizarre.
Speaker 1:It's pretty weird. Let's see, got on the bus, so she's been gone for a week, and then lizzie's telling how lizzie the younger sister is telling the older sister. You know, tell the truth what happened, what happened, and she's like I don't know. She's excited. Yeah, she's very thrilled.
Speaker 2:I just want to like the, the feet, the. The vibe of this scene is excitement, like something fun happened. Yep, lizzie is smiling and kind of like giggling a little, and the sister's not upset. If your friend Dan, if I went missing and someone was joking about it to you, I hope you'd at least get upset.
Speaker 1:You know I would have moved on after a week.
Speaker 2:I would have been, maybe a day. How about a day? Would a day still be fresh enough for you to feel something? I don't. I don't feel you, son of a bitch. You know what?
Speaker 1:no, it's, you know, the thing about it's. Just weird thing about grief is, you know, we all handle it differently, but of course it sits in us, you know, and it's, and that's the thing about it is I think they're sort of saying that she like left to go on an adventure, you know, because she sort of said things about yeah, they're all pretending she ran away.
Speaker 1:I mean, but they're not even all pretending. You know they're, I don't know. It is weird. You'd think you'd get together and you'd be like what the hell is you know?
Speaker 2:Right, we're all having weird shit happen. What's going on?
Speaker 1:you'd want to all get on the same page. You know like what did she tell you?
Speaker 2:anything did you know you would have a conspiratorial you're her best friends and she would have told somebody if she was running away. She clearly did not run away, we all know it yeah, and they should.
Speaker 1:You know. The sister should yell at lizzie and say I don't know where she is Right.
Speaker 2:She should have a reaction.
Speaker 1:This is a nice moment to have some emotions. You've hired actresses, young actresses, to emote. Have them do some emoting. Nah, too much work, because emoting is how you draw us. If the person on screen cares about something, maybe we will care about it.
Speaker 2:And if nobody cares, then guess what? I don't give a shit. And also she's texting. This is the scene where she's texting her friends, I think right, and one of the friends had sent a text that was like where is she question mark?
Speaker 1:so rude, rude which is very weird rude what are you talking about? Like if you showed up like an hour late to this. I would be rude if you, if, like, if I could not get in touch with you. This never happened and days passed and I'm like where is Tony?
Speaker 2:This is weird Something's going on.
Speaker 1:If you weren't doing anything on Pikmin I'd be like what is happening? I wouldn't say so rude that Tony ceased to exist from the planet.
Speaker 2:Rude, he just disappeared off the face of the earth, wow. What exist from the planet. Rude, he just disappeared off the face of the earth. Wow, what a jerk see. Let me just say how good it makes me feel, dan, that if I died you would know, because pikmin wouldn't update that's. It's good to have those connections, if I it would.
Speaker 1:It would anger me and shannon if you weren't.
Speaker 2:It would be furious if you weren't on our challenges he gets so mad at me.
Speaker 1:She okay, like I take the dog for a walk on multiple times during the day right, yeah, good, good for you. We go on very short walks, we just we go to the end of the block, we come back.
Speaker 2:You know most people take their dogs on gigantic vlogs.
Speaker 1:I'm like that's cool, she's wait one time. She's tiny. One time we walked her up four blocks to the Starbucks. She was having an apoplexy. She just was like she knows this block Once you start taking her a long ways. She's not into it, so whatever. So don't do it. Every time I take the dog out, except maybe the first walk. Shannon has to bring up Pickman, start planting flowers for me to walk. Three houses that way, three houses back.
Speaker 2:You always got to be working, all right.
Speaker 1:I love it. We would know if you were gone.
Speaker 2:You would hear about it. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Actually.
Speaker 2:I have one question to ask you?
Speaker 1:Why don't you register any steps on your phone on Pikmin during the week?
Speaker 2:It is weird, right? And here's the answer, dan Most of the the time my phone is just sitting on my desk at work because I'm on it right while I'm not supposed to be, and then I set it down and then I go do something, and then I come back and I'm like, ah, I forgot my phone. Those steps are worth nothing. I should get a watch, you should.
Speaker 1:So basically, your phone sits in a place. It doesn't walk around with you all day.
Speaker 2:It just sits at my desk during the workday. Yeah, it's bad, I know. But, we're going on a corn maze tomorrow, so we'll get lots of steps there. There it is.
Speaker 1:I know Shannon's worried we're not going to make the challenge this weekend we're going to make it.
Speaker 2:Tell Shannon it's okay, we're going to make it, I promise.
Speaker 1:Okay, then someone's in the house. They hear people in the house, they run away. They go upstairs and, lo and behold, it's Katie's dad has like broken into their house and is looking for Katie there, looking for answers.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And blames Hallie.
Speaker 2:It's your fault. This is where I get confused.
Speaker 1:All you know. Since you came, came around, she's all into the occult.
Speaker 2:Is that what happened? Is she new to town, Dan?
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know either, because he's like she was never into the occult stuff. This is your fault. We haven't seen this girl. Ren is this the character yeah Ren. We haven't seen her be into the occult at all.
Speaker 1:No wait, I have a question. Yeah, what's your question? Weren't they just in her house? Wouldn't they have seen all the occult?
Speaker 2:100%. Yeah, yeah, they were all. Well, it was a week ago, oh a week ago. Yeah, but then she also disappeared, so she hadn't spent a lot of time in the house without Without them.
Speaker 1:Like how does he? Know she's into the occult. I mean she just got into the occult since they summoned Slenderman. She's all like I got to get into the occult now it's like a couple of days.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know man, none of it makes any sense. But he like attacks her and then there's no repercussions.
Speaker 1:They run away from him. And then we got the next day. We Then we got the next day. We have the school missing Katie posters, the boys ask about Slenderman and they're all like it's not a game.
Speaker 2:Why are they asking about Slenderman? Because they were going to summon Slenderman and the girls were like we summoned him, but why isn't anybody asking about Katie? You know what I mean? They made posters. That's covered. Okay, that covers it. They're like all right, now we're good, We've reached our quota for the day. We can talk about ourselves again.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, that's the truth, isn't it? People always want to just talk about themselves.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I guess you're right. I love it.
Speaker 1:That's why I'm always talking about Shannon, because I'm incredibly uninteresting, so thing, uh, so at night, they're like incorrect. We're gonna go to katie's house. They go to katie's house. One girl goes to the front, the other two girls sneak in the back, and why?
Speaker 2:why is this the plan?
Speaker 1:dan and ren ren's.
Speaker 2:Like I, I need to have a drink with you, pops yeah, so she seduces the dad while the other two girls sneak upstairs. What's's happening right now? It was weird. It's a super weird scene. I'm pretty sure, since they're all her friends, they could just be like hey, can we see her room? We miss her. Boom, you're in the room. It's very strange. Also, how did they get out?
Speaker 1:Oh, that's what happens between scenes. You never show that.
Speaker 2:No, I know that they're in the room and then they cut and they're out of the house. I don't believe it because he's no longer at the door. He's in the living room with Joey King and they would see them walk down the stairs right next to them.
Speaker 1:Just saying Probably another way out.
Speaker 2:It's probably a back way, right I'm sure.
Speaker 1:So they find the drawings, one of which is Katie holding hands with a tree, big tree holding Katie's hand as a kid, I like that drawing.
Speaker 2:Do you like it?
Speaker 1:based on this movie, I just thought it was kind of cool the idea of holding hands with a tree, not that it relates to the movie.
Speaker 2:and you thought it was clever. You just like the drawing independently.
Speaker 1:They're like oh, the police took her laptop. And they're like why don't we look in the secret place in her closet, which is just in her closet?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just the closet. There's not a lot of secrets. And there's the laptop Now. Did she have two laptops, Tony? Why did they laptops Tony? Why did they assume?
Speaker 1:Tony, I'm going to ask you a question, have you? Ever watched any police shows.
Speaker 2:Unfortunately. Yes, what do police do?
Speaker 1:when someone goes missing, they search things.
Speaker 2:They look around stuff Especially. I mean and this isn't even a police show Now we're talking about like psych, right? Sure, he loves to find things hidden in rooms because that's where the clues are. Sure, there's always clues hidden in the rooms of the victims, always.
Speaker 1:Clues yes, yeah. They search for clues, but what's the first thing that happens before he can get all the clues?
Speaker 2:The police come in and take all the laptops, don't they Well sure, yeah, they take a bunch of stuff, Probably phones nowadays too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so how is that laptop just sitting in the closet?
Speaker 2:Not only how is it there, but why did they assume that it was gone? Why were they like, well, the police took her laptop, but they didn't take her laptop? Wouldn't the police know that they didn't take her laptop and would be like, why don't we have a kid's laptop? Know that they didn't take her laptop and would be like why don't we have a kid's laptop? She definitely has one. It's all weird. None of it makes any sense unless she has two laptops one normal, one secret for porn.
Speaker 1:Do you think they would know her password?
Speaker 2:No, not a chance. Do you know my password? Your?
Speaker 1:voodoo password. Yeah, that's true. So actually Do you?
Speaker 2:know my password, your voodoo password. Yeah, that's true. So actually you do know my password. I know all of your passwords. Oh my God.
Speaker 1:Police if anything happens to Tony. I got the in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're good. So it turns out you're right, you're in.
Speaker 1:So they take the laptop home. Looks like Katie has downloaded every Slender man video on the internet and has been watching them. Katie then also plays a video of herself in the woods the night before.
Speaker 2:How's that possible?
Speaker 1:What do you mean?
Speaker 2:So she took the video. Of herself yes, on her phone.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Is that not the night she disappeared?
Speaker 1:No, it was the night before she disappeared during the day at the graveyard. This video is from the night before, right.
Speaker 2:So what happens in the video? Nothing, because it was too dark for me to really understand what was happening in a lot of this movie. But you know, I didn't understand. There's a lot of this movie, um, but you know I didn't understand. There's a lot of times in this movie, dan, we would be seeing a scene and there'd be like the scary noises that are almost the jump scare noises, but I couldn't see anything behind anyone, so I didn't know if I was supposed to see something and be scared or not it's just a video that proves that she existed before she disappeared.
Speaker 2:Oh, she did exist. Okay, got it. I don't know what the video I don't know what they learned.
Speaker 1:They didn't learn anything from this video. It didn't help them at all.
Speaker 2:All right, so I didn't miss much, is what you're saying. It was worth it. Great, great, great, great, great, great W.
Speaker 1:Great Wren goes home. She's on the computer. She tracks down this person, alley Cat 93, who's their lore person, who's going to feed them lore for the rest of the movie, occasionally. How did she get a hold of Alley Cat 93?
Speaker 2:Because she broke into Katie's laptop and Alley Cat thought that she was Katie. Oh, I see, and she goes. No, this is Katie's friend, katie's missing. And Alley Cat said that she was Katie. Oh, I see, and she goes. No, this is Katie's friend, katie's missing. And Alley Cat said, of course she is, which is a weird response to that statement.
Speaker 1:And then they want to know how to get her back. Then we sort of do some more backstory. Slenderman is a brain virus.
Speaker 2:He takes you or he drives you mad, which, by the way, not really what a virus does, but it's fine.
Speaker 1:We have to unveil ourselves. How do you unveil yourself? You unveil yourself by surrendering something that you care about.
Speaker 2:And also Katie asked to be taken this doesn't make any sense, so Katie wanted to go with Slenderman, which is not no she did, she did. She didn't, she did.
Speaker 1:That's why she went to the forest beforehand. She was like setting it up. That's like the you know when you're getting married. That's like the pre-wedding.
Speaker 2:The offering. I don't know what you're saying. Pre-wedding the pre-wedding sacrifice.
Speaker 1:It's like the practice. It's like the practice taking.
Speaker 2:You mean, like, when you do like the, the, the dinner beforehand the dinner, yes, that's what what is? That called. Why can't I think what that's called? Pre-release dinner?
Speaker 1:what is that?
Speaker 2:we're the dumbest. We're the two dumbest men on earth so yeah, so that's, that's the thing.
Speaker 1:So so, what they're going to do?
Speaker 2:is so why would anybody want to go with Slenderman?
Speaker 1:Because her dad's a drug.
Speaker 2:He kills you, but he kills you.
Speaker 1:No, no, he takes you. Your drunk dad hasn't killed you. No, he takes you back to Slenderman land.
Speaker 2:And what is that?
Speaker 1:You don't know, nobody knows. It's better than.
Speaker 2:It's not a good thing, because here's what we know. One he takes you somewhere right. Two he drives you insane. He drives you insane and that's not being taken. It's got to be worse if you take it.
Speaker 1:You would think so, but you've never lived in a situation like you can't live her life.
Speaker 2:You don't know her life, I shouldn't judge, I shouldn't make judgments, that's true.
Speaker 1:You're right. I'm sorry, you don't know her. You don't know her, they're going to go to the woods, they're going to take their stuff and then they're going to. I guess they destroy it or surrender it. I guess they destroy it.
Speaker 2:Now, at what point in the lore were they like well, he works on a barter system, so if you give him some trinkets he'll give you your friend back. Where does that come from? I think Alley Cat 93 implied it. She sure did, but it doesn't make any sense. It certainly he's not like a collector of things, right, that's not his thing.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's the thing. It's not like they have a video of this one guy like, oh, he took my sister and I gave him a hound dog and now and now I got my sister back, got my sister back with him Down a hound dog.
Speaker 2:This is like if you became a serial killer, right Like you would work on a barter system. You would be like if you have any old things that I can resell on eBay, bring them and I'll give you back your sister oh yeah. You know some old troll dolls. Maybe those probably sell for a hot ticket. Beanie, baby or two. Put them in a box. I'll give you back your daughter. Yeah, why not? It's weird, I don't know. It makes sense to me.
Speaker 1:One of them brings something from pottery class. One of them has a which can't mean that much. First of all, only photo of their dad. That's real or something right something and then what's the other one gram something grandmother gave her like a blanket.
Speaker 2:Maybe it's blankets, yeah from grandma what, and then she's like, and then she died a week later. Okay, this is weird. Do you hang? You don't even sleep with the blanket, I'm pretty sure so. Does it really mean that much to you?
Speaker 1:they look like they're in pretty good shape it's a brand new blanket. I'll be honest with you, unless grandma died yesterday and they pull out a missing poster of casey katie and then they burn the stuff up. Now what we have to do is you have to put blindfolds on and we have to wait for the three bells, but don't look in his face. Don't look in his face and don't take off the blindfold. Why? Because that's the rules.
Speaker 2:But there's like the rules change. There are no real rules. There are things that people assume and then are usually wrong about.
Speaker 1:Well, they get. No, I mean, they give you rules each time, and if you don't follow them correctly?
Speaker 2:But there's so many rules, it's not that many rules, it's just they're arbitrarily stupid. But that's what I mean. It's not a cohesive set of rules.
Speaker 1:Well, the thing is, is they just keep getting to get to the next scene? You give them some new rules, a new rule.
Speaker 2:Here's some new rules. That's not how things work.
Speaker 1:Well, in this movie it is so they you know they're doing the bells, and then Chloe freaks out, takes off the blindfold, screams and runs. Then they chase her and I mean, you're not even sure, because they take off their blindfolds and I'm like, right, you really want me now we've all broken the rules.
Speaker 2:Uh, and then could you see I know you adjusted the the brightness on your screen you said when I think What's-Her-Name is running through the woods.
Speaker 1:Could you see anything? I mean you could see a person running through the woods.
Speaker 2:Okay, I couldn't, let me just tell you On my TV, my 65-inch television which you know it's the cheaper on the cheaper side right Like I'm not a rich person, I'm a poor person.
Speaker 1:But it's still a big TV. First world problems. I'm a poor person. I only have a 65 inch tv. First of all, I would love 85 inch because 85 inches fits right between our two bookshelves.
Speaker 2:Then it would look beautiful. But my wife won't let me get a bigger tv. All I'm saying is I couldn't tell what she was doing. And then there was a loud noise at some point and I don't know if she ran into a tree. I don't know if she fell down. I don't know anything.
Speaker 1:They weren't doing anything. They're just running around. Sure, it's not like anything happened that you have to see. They're just you know.
Speaker 2:I would like to see something, though, because I'm watching a movie and I would like to at least be a part of the experience.
Speaker 1:So then Chloe is back. Oh, here she is. She lost a shoe. Oh yeah, she lost a shoe. That was one of the better lines in the whole movie.
Speaker 2:Sure Great yeah, because she's a little traumatized. I love it.
Speaker 1:And then they start getting videos. Chloe starts getting videos of her room and then at the-.
Speaker 2:Now the yeah, when did Slender man get a phone to send these this video calls and videos to people? How did he get a phone? Well, he can go buy one in a store. He can manipulate all that he can. Just he can just make videos. I don't know. He does a video call with the girl in the next scene soon. I don't remember what it is. Yeah, a literal video call.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:How does that happen?
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:If I needed to do a video call, I'd call someone like you and you'd help me. You'd call me on a rotary telephone and then I would explain to you how to get on a video call Boop-beep-boop-boop-boop-beep-boop-boop-boop-boop. Tony help me.
Speaker 1:So he starts getting videos of the room. At the 43-minute mark, slenderman appears and he grabs her. Yeah, and you're like oh, that's Slenderman.
Speaker 2:He got her. He got her. And then what happens and it's a genuine question, because I couldn't see very well in this scene either and I'm a little confused he grabbed her and he was choking her right. All I wrote down is that he grabbed her. So this is Chloe. Yes, Yep, Chloe, yeah. So it looked like he grabbed her and was choking her, but then it cuts to the mirror and it looked like she might've been choking herself. They did do that. They did cut to that.
Speaker 1:Yes, it was all in there. It's all in her mind or in the mirror.
Speaker 2:It's all in your head Okay, yeah, so anyway it gets in there, he's like a virus, they told us.
Speaker 1:They told us that Very confusing stuff.
Speaker 2:For sure.
Speaker 1:Virus. There's like a fungus that gets inside a beetle's brain, I think. Then it makes the beetle climb, and the beetle climbs, climbs, climbs, climbs.
Speaker 2:Oh no.
Speaker 1:And then when it gets, to the top it eats the rest of the beetle, and then it spores everywhere. So it takes so it infects other beetles.
Speaker 2:Yeah, wow, that's fucked up.
Speaker 1:That's kind of Slenderman work. But he also has control of it, but his sprouts go into the video world.
Speaker 2:Sure Right, of course, obviously Makes sense. Oh, it makes total sense, it all makes perfect sense in here.
Speaker 1:At school. Carl is like how you doing, hallie? Oh, it makes total sense, it all makes perfect sense. In here At school, carl is like how are you doing, hallie? Oh, yeah, let's do something. You and me, all your friends are disappearing, so you have more free time, so you want to go on a date, girl? I think she looks out and sees Slenderman.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in the woods, doesn't say anything. Doesn't say anything, dan, just out of curiosity. Curiosity, would you ask if he saw something. I had this conversation with naomi. She did not think that you would, so we're.
Speaker 1:You're having a conversation with a young lady that you're trying to take on a date hey right hey, you see slender man in the woods I am a, I am man, see, slender man in the woods, and I'm talking to a, a cutie right. Would you be like, hey, do you? Slender man in the woods, and I'm talking to a cutie Right.
Speaker 2:Would you be like, hey, do you see this man in the woods?
Speaker 1:by any chance. I would point out the Slender man in the woods to the girl I was talking to. So would I.
Speaker 2:And Naomi was like well, you don't want to seem crazy in front of the beau that you're trying to date. And I was like that's pretty fucked up. You're so worried about impressing the guy that you're willing to risk your life. She's right.
Speaker 1:She's actually right.
Speaker 2:When she said it, I was like fuck, that's probably correct, that's probably what most people would do, but that's the wrong thought everybody Good character process.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree with her.
Speaker 2:She's smart, she's right, she's very smart.
Speaker 1:You know, it's almost like ask a girl about how a girl would react to something. Don't ask a guy. Right, Exactly.
Speaker 2:I can't believe. I never thought of that. It's so weird.
Speaker 1:Okay, so Rand's doing her research. She finds out that Slenderman is named Abizou A-B-Y-Z-O-U. He's also the Pied Piper.
Speaker 2:And she's doing the song which was my college mascot, by the way, abizu, no, no, no. The Pied Pipers, hamlin University. Pied Pipers.
Speaker 1:Oh, did a lot of kids go missing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just because they ran away from the school because it sucked. I'm sorry that was rude.
Speaker 1:We get some jump scares in the library. She tries to call Hallie.
Speaker 2:I don't understand this library, dan. I got two things to say about it. First of all, this is the middle of the day. Yes, probably, I think so. Let me rephrase this is the middle of the day, because she then goes outside and it's daytime. Why is it so dark in this library? There are no lights anywhere, right, it's very, very dark, and then the lights all go out on her.
Speaker 1:That's in her mind.
Speaker 2:It's in her mind, I get it, but here's my question. She starts running around the dark. Is she doing that in real life, or is she standing still and all of it is in her mind?
Speaker 1:She's probably like it's probably, like she's in probably a dream state.
Speaker 2:So she's like okay, so you don't think that she's actually going through the physical motions? I don't, you know. I mean because the girl in the last scene was choking herself. Yes, right, so she's going through those motions, but joey king is running through a crowded library yelling and screaming. I'm just, I'm not.
Speaker 1:I'm confused on what's happening and what's real and what's not later, when lizzie's in the hospital and she's freaking out, she's, she's contained in her insanity that's true.
Speaker 2:No, you're right. Yeah, you're right. So I still don't know why the first girl's choking herself.
Speaker 1:Then so slenderman shows up in the library, turns off the lights. He does a bunch of camera tricks. You know short haul becomes long haul.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's basically Doctor Strange.
Speaker 1:Grabs her face, steals her face, and then the library is like wake up, little girl, wake up, wake up little Susie. And so then she takes the books, one of which is like says Slenderman is like a harmonic something, something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. She said a word, I don't know, and I was like oh wow, that's a thing Maybe they can get.
Speaker 1:Maybe they'll throw a microwave at him, because at least in that good movie, the good horror movie that we watched, it follows They've got a plan we're going to throw a microwave into the pool and kill it. And they almost pull it off. I think that guy's making another movie. They almost pull it off. They're making another movie.
Speaker 2:It's going to be good, well good, because the rest of his movies. Everyone realized that he's talentless. So he the movie. It's going to be good, well, good, because the rest of his movies. Everyone realized that he's talentless, so he's got to go back to the well that worked.
Speaker 1:Takes the books and leaves, goes to see Hallie and is like it's a symbiotic relationship and Ren's like she's losing it. I'm going crazy. I'm going crazy. And then Hallie's like I was talking to someone, tom, and she's like Tom. Why are you talking to Tom? This is a girl's thing, I don't care about, tom.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's very weird it's very weird. You know you're like oh, I mean, wait where's.
Speaker 2:Carl. I don't know whatever happened to Carl. Wait a second, that's a different guy now, yeah, it's a brand new guy that somebody else likes, because this is a different person that likes him, right? I think I'm so confused.
Speaker 1:I thought it was the same guy, but now I realize it's two different guys.
Speaker 2:No, it's a different guy. It was always a different guy, if that helps you for anything.
Speaker 1:Oh, so Callie wasn't into Carl.
Speaker 2:Maybe she was earlier, I don't know, dan, I don't know man.
Speaker 1:And then we get the classic line you care more about track than Chloe. Chloe is not well Black under the eyes, not talking, yeah. So then Ren and Hallie fight and Hallie's like I don't want to do this anymore, I'm going back to real life. I got a date.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, okay, that's cool.
Speaker 1:You know Michael Myers is not going to be out. Freddie's not coming after me anymore. I'm done with Freddie.
Speaker 2:Freddie, you're all the news. It's all good.
Speaker 1:I'm moving on Freddie's like.
Speaker 2:I don't think I'm going to go get laid.
Speaker 1:I don't think so.
Speaker 2:It's a real weird choice for this character, but it's great. I love it.
Speaker 1:Putting on makeup. She goes to Tom's house, tom, putting on makeup.
Speaker 2:She goes to Tom's house. Tom's house, incredibly well lit, yeah, the only place in the entire town that has lights, apparently.
Speaker 1:You're like whoa, okay, and she's all like Tom's family is the rich family of the city.
Speaker 2:They can pay for electricity.
Speaker 1:They can afford electricity. All right, it's a chain.
Speaker 2:So good, so good.
Speaker 1:She's like, so where's so good? So good, he's all like she's like, so where's the? Party and he's all like oh no, pardon my, my parents are gone, all my siblings are gone.
Speaker 2:Leave you gotta get out. This is a trap. This is. This is not okay behavior. By the way, don't bait and switch and then get alone with the girl. That's not. That's not okay now.
Speaker 1:Now talk to me about Tony in like a real horror movie. What would this mean?
Speaker 2:It means that he's the killer, or that you think he's the killer. That's usually what it means. And then sometimes you're wrong. And then the killer will show up and kill the boy and you're like, oh no, it wasn't him.
Speaker 1:But then, if it's Scream, then it turns out it really was him and that was a fake death and they were using fake blood. It's great stuff Now in this movie. Why doesn't she just go to his house, knowing that he's going to just be there?
Speaker 2:Yeah, they just made it weird for no reason, because nobody, it's not a slasher, right? There's no confusion over who the killer is, so it's not a red herring at all. It's just a weird choice for this boy to make and it makes him not a great guy, just makes him creepy.
Speaker 1:And we're just like, and we don't need him to be creepy for any reason.
Speaker 2:No, not, I mean. If anything, we want him to be not creepy because he's like her emotional support right now.
Speaker 1:So he shows her his dad's fit.
Speaker 2:Oh, her, his dad's. Wait, this is my favorite part. The vinyl collection is your favorite part of the movie he shows her he's like I'm really into records.
Speaker 1:These are my dad's records. I'm really into them. I'm almost like, oh, that's so sad You're just like, if you're into records, why don't you show her your seven records you have? Why don't?
Speaker 2:you have records.
Speaker 1:You know you carry a little pile. This is my little pile of records. All of those are my dad's, but this is my little pile.
Speaker 2:These are my four right here Huey Lewis and the News Sports. Nailed it Sports.
Speaker 1:They start making out and then Slanderman's like he's messing with the music. All right, he freaks out, she screams, oh like no, his face goes, which is really funny.
Speaker 2:Okay, like I laughed really hard, I think in a different movie it would have been interesting. But I was so over this movie that as soon as his face started distorting I just lost my mind. I was confused, because the record player is analog, technically right, he can control all technology. That doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1:Have you ever seen those movies where the toaster moves around? Ghostbusters right.
Speaker 2:The toaster eggs fry themselves.
Speaker 1:Eggs fry themselves.
Speaker 2:Slenderman, he's part, ghost part technological creature, I, I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's fine, let's let's rewrite the scene really quick, right, she's like okay, great tom's on top for like making out. Then he, he goes back, he's like and his fingers get all slender man and then he cuts her face with one of his fingers and she starts bleeding. And he cuts her face. I'm like, oh man, this is getting intense. And then she screams, and then he's like what's happening?
Speaker 2:And then you know something like instead nothing happens and her face is still bleeding.
Speaker 1:Oh her face is still bleeding and he's like he freaks out Because he's all like what just? Happened. He's like what did you do? And she's like what did you do, what did you do? They're blaming each other.
Speaker 2:I love it, and then they still have sex, and they have sex. And that's a horror scene right there.
Speaker 1:Okay, Boom, boom, boom. I wrote in the kitchen. She opens up, he pulls up the video. It's just a video. She leaves.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, because she tells him everything about Slender man, which I think is a mistake. Oh, so she tells him the whole story and then he pulls up the video and he's like is this it? And she freaks out and tells him he can't watch it and he promises not to watch it, but you know he's going to watch it.
Speaker 1:The next day in science class there's tension between Hallie and Ren and Tom is being weird. Tom has watched the video. Tom went being weird Tom has watched the video.
Speaker 2:Tom went full emo. He showed up dressed in black with a beanie on. He's got circles under his eyes. This isn't what happened immediately to the girls. I don't understand.
Speaker 1:I was telling Shannon the other night, just last night. I was like I don't really pay any attention to people, I don't see anything that happens and I, if you said you, you said you just told me he's wearing very different clothing super, super different. Yeah, he totally changes his characteristics you say, dan, was he wearing different clothing? I'd be like I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know. He's probably wearing the same outfit the whole movie.
Speaker 2:I don't know I mean, if it was colorful, if he was wearing like a yellow suit in one and then a black suit, I'd like he went from yellow suit to black suit, I get it, but if it's just a stupid kid, I don't see any of that she calls him Joey King, calls him Amber Crombie, tom, and then he shows up in all blacks, the next scene. You don't know the difference between Ambercrombie and emo. Come on, dan, I know the difference between Abercrombie.
Speaker 1:I don't know the difference between.
Speaker 2:Amber, am I saying Amber?
Speaker 1:Ambercrombie. There's no such thing as Ambercrombie. Abercrombie is bitch. Jesus Christ Tony.
Speaker 2:Aber Aber.
Speaker 1:Abercrombie. I got it down there. It's Fitch, right, it's not Finch. I think it's Finch.
Speaker 2:It's Finch. Yeah, finch was a band. Let it burn. Finch is a bird. Great stuff, little bird.
Speaker 1:So Tom's buying. So Tom watched the video. He's out of the movie. Okay, now leave the movie, right.
Speaker 2:So why did he watch the video? Oh, because If it's not gonna matter, dan, you know, I'm gonna tell you something, tony, please, I, I would love to learn something today.
Speaker 1:So I've been watching these, uh, these videos of it's like uh it's police body cam videos okay, sure, so sure. So I start watching one 80-year-old man arrested for impersonating federal officer. I'm like, okay, that's going to be interesting.
Speaker 2:Click on that. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:This guy passes a bad check, they get him to come in to pay for the bad check. And the cop is waiting there while the transaction happens, this guy pulls out his fake badge and shows it to a cop and starts spinning these bullshit tales and the cop is just like what is happening, what the hell is going on. And through the course of everything we find out this guy carried this like an 80-year-old guy, big guy with a walker saying he goes to Paraguay to figure out coups.
Speaker 2:You know in the Trump, Great yeah. Carrying a gun, carrying a fake badge which they send a picture of the badge to federal people.
Speaker 1:And what do they say? That badge is Badge is fake as fuck.
Speaker 2:That is fake as fuck. It's not even good.
Speaker 1:This guy basically gets dragged to jail, possibly for five to ten years.
Speaker 2:Sure, yeah, great, he's done.
Speaker 1:He did this to himself.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah Well, but he was an authority. You don't think bad things are going to happen to you when you're an authority, do you?
Speaker 1:But he's not. He's an authority in his own brain. Therefore, tom going and being stupid enough to watch the video, I believe it tom's an idiot.
Speaker 2:Tom is an idiot, you're absolutely right. But my thing is why is this even in the movie?
Speaker 1:because then he disappears, he's done.
Speaker 2:He watches it and she's like she doesn't even seem to realize he's watched it. It doesn't feel like she makes that connection and then I don't think we see him ever again.
Speaker 1:No, does she like immediately say we gotta save tom. Where's my trophies? I'll burn my trophies and put on a mask I'll finally burn my trophies for tom.
Speaker 2:I love top.
Speaker 1:Uh, nope uh, hallie tries to contact alley cat. Alley cat's out the at.
Speaker 2:Then she hears yeah, her account has been discontinued or something.
Speaker 1:What? And then she hears the voice of Katie Help me, I'm in the forest. Help me, come to the forest.
Speaker 2:Help me. Does she say I'm in the forest, Dan?
Speaker 2:No, she just like no, she says help me, help me, whatever, but the voice. So whoever did the audio mixing on this missed the class where you do directional audio, because this audio is clearly in her head. It's like echoey and it's centered right. Why would she then go outside the audio? The voice is coming from inside your room. It's not outside your room. It's very. It's plain as day coming from inside your room. It's not outside your room. It's plain as day coming from inside your room. She would never go outside, and then it doesn't sound like she's in the woods, so I don't understand why she keeps walking. This girl is crazy.
Speaker 1:Now are you saying that you're going to do like a fan cut of this movie where you edit the audio properly?
Speaker 2:Listen. Someone needs to, because this thing doesn't make any sense. If it sounded like she was coming from outside, far away in the woods, I would buy it. It does not.
Speaker 1:Okay, so she goes into the forest. Help me, help me. Slenderman is there. He attacks and she wakes up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, does she never go outside, then, dan, who knows, she goes into the bathroom.
Speaker 1:Was that in her mind? She goes in the bathroom and she starts having a tree baby yeah.
Speaker 2:She screams and she wakes up again. Now was being pregnant. Her fear because one of her fellow students was pregnant. Good one, tony, good catch, but they don't tell me that.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:This is me making a logical leap here to try and make sense of a scene in the movie.
Speaker 1:You mean to tie it to something that happened 45 minutes earlier and has never been referenced again. Yeah, oh, nope, nope, nope, I love it. Tom is ghosting her. Oh wait, no, so wait. Okay, wait. Lizzie's having a bad dream, wait wait, okay, wait.
Speaker 2:Lizzie's having a bad dream.
Speaker 1:Lizzie's freaking out, having a bad dream, they take Lizzie to the hospital.
Speaker 2:Hold on. We missed my favorite line. When she's having a bad dream, lizzie, the parents are in there trying to wake her up, essentially, and the mom is yelling at the dad and the dad is yelling back. I'm doing the best I can. I just thought that was like the most real part of this whole movie is these is, instead of fully caring about the daughter, they're at each other because neither of them can figure. I thought it was a nice moment and it was underplayed and, oddly, the only real thing in this whole movie.
Speaker 1:Well, we're about to have one of the worst things in the movie, which is one of my favorite lines in the movie oh, real thing in this whole movie. Well, we're about to have one of the worst things in the movie, which is one of my favorite lines in the movie. Oh great, they're in the hospital. Here comes the doctor and this is what the doctor says the blood tests are fine. No, the. The blood tests are negative. She's gonna be fine. I'm like that's, that's one way to write that line. The blood tests are negative, the blood tests are negative.
Speaker 2:Yep For what? For what? Right? What are you?
Speaker 1:testing for here, when you go to Quest and they test your blood. It's a hundred things.
Speaker 2:Right, you get a whole document of what just happened, and then I'm supposed to read that, which I do not, by the way. Yeah, she'll be fine, but actually she wasn't fine, but actually she wasn't, I mean so crazy.
Speaker 1:And then Hallie starts walking around the thing because Tom is ghosting her and everyone in the hospital staring at her. There's crazy people with hair in bathtubs, there's a weird family. There's a tall doctor coming down the thing and she's like is that Slenderman? Is this Slenderman? Nope, it's's a weird family. There's a guy, tall doctor coming down the thing and she's like is that Slenderman? Is this Slenderman? Nope, it's just a tall doctor, nope just a seven foot three doctor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like you see Now, dan, have you ever been to a hospital? What kind of lights are in a hospital?
Speaker 1:Too many times have I been to hospitals.
Speaker 2:Okay, Very the hallways of hospitals are in a hospital Too many times have I been to hospitals.
Speaker 1:The hallways of hospitals very well lit. You can go in the rooms. Rooms can be very dark.
Speaker 2:Sure, but she's in the hallway right now, Dan, and she can't see a tall man walking six feet in front of her. That's not how a hallway is lit in a hospital.
Speaker 1:She's in Slenderman's zone. She's not in reality.
Speaker 2:Is she in her mind?
Speaker 1:What do you mean? Do you think they have an old-timey bathtub and hair on the ground?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think so. I don't know anymore Dan.
Speaker 1:She walks in, lizzie is dead, and then she has a bunch of other visions of trees and stuff. Yeah, it's super weird then do we do another lizzie, and lizzie had oh no, he had no face later. Yeah, so he had no face well she.
Speaker 2:So lizzie grabs her arm or something at this point, and that's when it like snaps out of it or whatever, and then lizzie wakes up and starts screaming.
Speaker 1:He had no face he had no face so she she goes home and looks at Lizzie's videos. He has all the same videos that the first girl that disappeared had, and then it's true Then real quick.
Speaker 2:Okay, real quick. Let's just talk about the search engine that they're using in this video to find all of these videos, engine that they're using in this video to find all of these, all of these videos, and and when she pulls up the missing persons when she like, searches for missing persons. These are not real web pages it looks, doesn't even look like a web page.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like it's 2019. People like we we know we're using google for this sort of thing just make it look or even bling. You know I'll buy it. I'll buy that they use bling, but something this is not. You're just making like a shitty web page that is just a random assortment of pictures. It's terrible. These people all need to be fired.
Speaker 1:So she finds this one video and it's Ren taking Lizzie out into the forest to look for Slenderman and do something.
Speaker 2:She's well, we we don't know yet, but we find out that she's offering her to Slenderman. Is that what it is? Yeah, I'm. They don't say it explicitly, but I believe so, because later Ren is like scream, they're having like a screen match and she's like what we offered wasn't enough, it wasn't enough. He wants us. Like what we offered wasn't enough, it wasn't enough, he wants us. So I think she's trading lizzie for katie. No, are those the right names? Katie's the first, first girl we lost. Katie, or chloe, then either. I don't know either one. Why is anyone videotaping this? I have no idea.
Speaker 1:Seems like a weird choice and I was like okay, if we finally have a conflict, the conflict is Ren is the bad person. Somehow we're going to figure out that Ren is somehow the bad person throughout this.
Speaker 2:Is like the person. Yeah, she summoned him and is doing all these things, but not really.
Speaker 1:We go to Hallie, goes to Ren's house. The windows are open and there in her room is her Slenderman obsession room. There, and there in her room is her Slenderman obsession room. There is Slenderman everywhere and I'm like so was Ren into Slenderman before any of this started.
Speaker 2:The whole time. I don't know.
Speaker 1:You know what's that great movie, the Babysitter? Yeah Right, it's a whole plan right.
Speaker 2:And you slowly learn that everything's been a setup right, because she's done this a bunch of times in her life. Yes, been a setup right Because she's done this a bunch of times in her life. Yes, yeah, yeah, that'd be a fun twist.
Speaker 1:You should have started this movie and said Ren is obsessed with Slenderman.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:She wants to make Slenderman her boyfriend or something, and she's willing to sacrifice all of her friends to do it.
Speaker 2:There's a movie 100%.
Speaker 1:There's a movie, write that movie.
Speaker 2:Okay, tony, get on it. I'll do it, dan, but I'm going to create a concrete set of rules for Slender man, and then people are going to get mad at me for doing that.
Speaker 1:We find out that Alley Cat was. She got Slender Man'd and there's Ren. What is Ren going to? What's Ren about to do?
Speaker 2:I don't know what's she doing?
Speaker 1:Kill herself out her own window.
Speaker 2:Oh right, yeah, yeah, that's right, yep, why, I don't know. Well, so, from the research I did, one of the only ways to get away from Slenderman is to kill yourself. Now, I would like to point out that that's not getting away from him on any level. Yes, it is. If he's going to take you to Slenderman land, I would like to point out that that's not getting away from him on any level.
Speaker 1:Yes, it is. If he's going to take you to Slender man Land, I would rather be dead than in Slender man Land.
Speaker 2:Are you sure? Because earlier you were fine with Katie deciding she wanted to go to Slender man Land.
Speaker 1:Well, Katie's life is pretty terrible.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay. So you're saying because your life is so good that you'd rather be dead than go to Slenderman, because you don't want to downgrade there's levels. Right, you're two and two good.
Speaker 1:See, there's my life. Okay, yeah, there's death. Then there's Slenderman's life, slenderman, land.
Speaker 2:Then there's Katie's life, and there's Katie's life Way down here at the bottom. Poor Katie.
Speaker 1:You know, just tough go of it, really, katie's life down here Hell, one step above Katie's life.
Speaker 2:Wow, look at that.
Speaker 1:That's how bad Katie's life is.
Speaker 2:Pretty bad, all right. So she was aiming high with Slender man Land really in that graph that we just saw.
Speaker 1:She's going to do something with her life.
Speaker 2:Shoot for the stars.
Speaker 1:Going to jump. She's like Ren is like right here, but she waits till she jumps. Then she sort of grabs her arm.
Speaker 2:It's there's Physics, physics wise. There's no way that what just happened would work yeah.
Speaker 1:You would just grab her body.
Speaker 2:Pull her Right and pull her in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then she says that's my sister. And then Ren is like she came to me yeah, my sister. And then ren is like she came to me yeah, okay, so I guess she came to her. And so then ren thought it was a good idea to just give lizzie to get back katie or herself, who knows I don't know, that was all conjecture on my part, really slender man's.
Speaker 1:He shows up, he starts doing static, uh how he closes the door at the bottom of the stairs. You know the effective? I'm going to close the door and that's going to keep out the virus.
Speaker 2:That should work.
Speaker 1:What I don't think, that's how viruses work.
Speaker 2:No, it sure isn't.
Speaker 1:He turns into fog, then he turns into a tree and grabs Ren out of the window, and that's literally the last time we see Ren.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, so she must be gone. She's dead.
Speaker 1:She's gone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, okay Great, I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 1:You don't think about that. It's very anticlimactic that your second lead is grabbed out a window and never heard from or never thought about again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, nobody cares. Grabbed out a window and never heard from or never, never thought about again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, nobody cares uh, in the forest, she finds the gates, she hears the bells. There's slender man. He takes her, he chases her, he turns into a giant spider.
Speaker 2:She falls down then this, doesn't she say take me? She does say take me. Yeah, I don't know what that means, and then she runs away yeah, which is a confusing order of action for me. She's like take me. And then he starts to and she's like, never mind, I'm scared.
Speaker 1:Maybe she should have done the take on me. Take on me, and that's how she could have escaped. She could have banged on the sides of the television, would?
Speaker 2:have been great.
Speaker 1:She falls down. Then the evil tree that's always sort of been around is behind her. It grabs her and it sucks her in and she becomes a tree.
Speaker 2:Now, is that what happened to the other people? You think I don't know.
Speaker 1:That's the end of the movie.
Speaker 2:She gets eaten by a tree well, not quite the end of the movie. There's a great nut shelling at the end on voiceover.
Speaker 1:You don't remember I?
Speaker 2:have absolutely no idea, just gobbledygook, really.
Speaker 1:I wrote this down. The more fear, the more we're drawn in, the more stories his word. I don't know if that's what they said.
Speaker 2:The final line of the movie is it's all spreading his word, you know.
Speaker 1:It's the final words, are not you know?
Speaker 2:I swear to God, Dan, watch it again. The final word is comma. You know, Question mark Credits. What the hell kind of a last line is that?
Speaker 1:You know if you'd have told me.
Speaker 2:AI wrote this movie.
Speaker 1:I'd have been like you know, I believe you.
Speaker 2:In 2019,? I believe it Because right now, in 2025, ai would blow the water out of this movie. It wouldn't even be close. And is he Jesus? It's all spreading his word. What does that mean? He's the dark Jesus. The dark Jesus, that's actually a fun nickname.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so this movie was just terrible.
Speaker 2:Absolute trash. It's poppycock. Thanks for picking that, Dan. You're welcome. That was a good one.
Speaker 1:Tony, what are you into this week?
Speaker 2:Well, it's almost basketball season. In fact, by the time this comes out, I think we'll be in the first week of basketball I'm pretty sure. But I've been watching the Netflix docu-series Starting 5. What's that? It's by the same people that I think. I think it's by the same people that did like quarterback and wide receiver this year. So it's just it follows five NBA stars throughout last season, basically, and Anthony Edwards from the Timberwolves is one of them. Shout out to Ant. So I've just been watching that getting jazzed for the season.
Speaker 1:Oh, look at Tony all jazzed up. That getting jazzed for the season. Oh, look at tony all jazzed up.
Speaker 2:I've been listening to a podcast called the legend of sword quest. It sounds nerdy. What's it about?
Speaker 1:it is about an atari series of games oh sword kiss card quest series which started with like Earth World, I think is the first one.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And so they were going to put out these four games and you could win like a $25,000 prize, and so each one, was like I want to do that. Each one was a puzzle. Yeah, this is in the past and so it sort of follows through and explains how the contest went and they tracked down some of the winners and it was pretty interesting.
Speaker 2:So people really did win. It wasn't like a gimmick, wow.
Speaker 1:But they never got to the third game, and then Atari went out of business, and so they never knew what happened to the prizes and people trying to sell supposed bootlegs of the game. This does suffer from podcast-itis, which is they take a long time to say things. They have weird things where people like dramatize happenings, like recreations, just like you know, because they like of the. You know I will defeat you person who is this. And you're like you know cause they like uh of of the you know I will defeat you person.
Speaker 2:Who is this? And you're like, sure, oh my God. Yeah, no, you don't need any of that. Just give me the info. I'm so bad. Well, that's cause they don't hire people like us.
Speaker 1:Dan, I Me Like me, yeah, right, so Sword Quest Pretty good. Legend of.
Speaker 2:Sword Quest. I'll check that out. Yeah, I love podcasts.
Speaker 1:So, Tony, we have one more week of Halloween.
Speaker 2:Give or take the ultimate.
Speaker 1:Halloween episode. What are we doing for the ultimate Halloween episode?
Speaker 2:I had a hard time deciding. I'm not going to lie to you. Okay, but it came down to a couple movies that came out this year, because I feel like we should end on a 2024 note, absolutely the one that I've decided. What is the one you've decided? It's going to be the John Cho classic Afraid, spelled with AI in the title. Have you heard of this? I have not heard of this movie. They move into a house that's run by artificial intelligence and, surprise, surprise, things go wrong.
Speaker 1:Oh, there's been a few of these houses run. I feel like I've watched part of one of them. I think you're right, or maybe a whole one. This one I don't think I've watched.
Speaker 2:Well, it's got John Cho in it, so I'm going to love it either way, so I'm excited to see it.
Speaker 1:He was on a TV show. Is that who he was?
Speaker 2:I mean he's been in lots of stuff. I think his biggest coming out party was Harold and Kumar, which started with American Pie, and then Harold and Kumar Because he was one of the drunk party guys in American Pie, if anybody remembers that and then they did Harold and Kumar. Then he kind of blew up. But he was also I mean he was in the Star Trek reboots.
Speaker 1:Oh, he was Sulu. Okay, yeah, I know who he is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's great, I love him.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, let's watch him and be in a terrible movie terrible movie.
Speaker 2:I can talk about how terrible, he is. And it's PG-13, which is always a warning sign for me on horror films. So a lot of nudity, maybe, maybe just a little. A lot of male frontal nudity, yeah.
Speaker 1:So we'll be back with Afraid next week and like and subscribe and leave a comment. Those are all things you can do to support the show and support Tony and I in our old age or my old age and Tony's soon to be out of work I'm older than you are physically, that is true.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we'll be back then talking about Afraid.
Speaker 2:Goodbye, everybody back then and talking about Afraid. Goodbye everybody, it's like watching hell you.