Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
Hate Watching Mikey
Could a child really be a serial killer? In this spine-tingling episode, we grapple with that chilling question as we unravel the twisted tale of "Mikey," a 1992 thriller that sends shivers down our spines. We kick things off with a laugh over a webcam mishap and a laughable scheduling mix-up that mistakenly featured a non-horror movie during Halloween. Determined to keep the thrills alive, we extend our horror theme into November, dissecting Mikey's unsettling antics and comparing them with other notorious bad-seed flicks like "The Good Son."
Nostalgia takes center stage as we wander through our pasts, reminiscing about the '90s horror films that packed more fun than fright. Movies like "I Know What You Did Last Summer" offered campy thrills, but today's darker horrors, like "Talk to Me," leave us more disturbed than entertained. We share our love for films that master the blend of scares and laughs, praising hidden gems like "Barbarian" and "The Babysitter" that deliver both chills and chuckles. Along the way, we share childhood memories of Goosebumps books and the quirky reward systems that made school days a little more bizarre.
Our conversation takes a thrilling turn as we explore fears of water and heights, spurred by personal stories of near-drowning and daring rescues. We challenge the ethics of real versus artificial skeletons, delve into the absurdities of childhood games, and recount a suspenseful tale of mouth-to-mouth resuscitation gone awry. To wrap things up, we muse on Creepypasta's influence in horror films, celebrating the potential for fresh and unique storytelling in niche content. Join us for a wild ride through nostalgia, fear, and the darker side of childhood memories.
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Speaker 2:Oh, wow.
Speaker 1:So it probably looks super different to you. You didn't notice.
Speaker 2:I mean, I notice now that you say that it looks terrible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, everything's in focus. It's hyper-saturated. I don't know how to change any of that.
Speaker 2:Oh, you want things out of focus. You want that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you like what's called depth of field, right? So you like a soft blur in the back, sharp in the eyes.
Speaker 2:Put like a woman's nylon over the lens.
Speaker 1:Just make it a little misty yourself. Hey watching with Dan and Tony. Hey watching with Dan and Tony.
Speaker 2:It's like watching yeah, welcome to hey Watching with Dan and Tony. I'm Dan, I'm Tony. On this show we watch a movie. It's the Halloween month. We of course missed one week of Halloween month or something. I think we screwed it up.
Speaker 1:I screwed it up. So let's set the record straight On air. Dan, you asked me what the schedule was and I was totally off by a whole week. So we did one week in October. That was not a horror movie and I feel terrible about it and I thought that maybe you weren't going to notice, to be honest with you, so I didn't bring it back up, but that was like three weeks ago.
Speaker 2:Now to us, yeah, so we're going to have to do horror November also, so yeah, it'll be fine.
Speaker 1:It's going to be good. We'll make it up to you.
Speaker 2:Make it up to you. So each week we're watching a movie that might be described in some fashion as a horror movie or scary movie, it's got the classification on your internet site.
Speaker 1:Whatever it is, be it Voodoo, Hulu, it'll be in the horror genre.
Speaker 2:And the thing I've found is when we do horror movies or scary movies.
Speaker 1:They typically aren't horrific or scary. I mean, yeah, the ones we do on here, usually they're just very funny.
Speaker 2:Like Mikey. So, Tony, yes, why don't you talk a little something about the movie you picked?
Speaker 1:I'm out of practice. We skipped a week and now I'm just, I'm a little loosey goosey, but we. This was a fan suggestion. I shouldn't call Todd a fan, I should call him a friend, a friend suggestion, friend of the show From Todd. This movie is wild. It's called Mikey and it's about, I guess, a child serial killer.
Speaker 2:The classification is typically a bad seed and this is a terrible child Like Damon.
Speaker 1:Damon. Yeah, isn't Damon from the Omen?
Speaker 2:I mean Damien, damien, yeah, yeah, damon is from the Omen, is that what you mean?
Speaker 1:Damien, damien, yeah yeah, damon is from the Vampire Diaries, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean Damien kind of a bad. Yeah, actually he was a bad seed. There's a movie called the Bad Seed. There's a bunch of them.
Speaker 1:Oh wow On the nose. We watched another one, dan called the Good Son, with Macaulay Culkin and Elijah Wood, which I'll talk about at some point, and one of them was a terrible, terrible person, right? Macaulay Culkin, and he is creepy, creepy.
Speaker 2:That's probably where he needed to be right. You have your whole. Tony theory of Macaulay Culkin that he's broken as a child.
Speaker 1:Well it's interesting because you know, mikey, whoever this kid is not creepy, right?
Speaker 2:Not creepy in the slightest. This kid is menace level zero.
Speaker 1:Right, but Macaulay Culkin with his dead eyes and his slightly weird shaped face like he is creepy, the whole movie. You're like there's something wrong with this kid. We got to get rid of him. It's just interesting to see like how much the child makes a difference in a movie like this.
Speaker 2:This will be from 1992, hour and 27 minutes. Yeah, they have the kid. Who's somebody right? Brian Bonesaw.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm sure he worked a bunch back in the day.
Speaker 2:He did all sorts of things. Not a scary kid, they don't have him place. I mean sure he worked a bunch back in the day, you know he did all sorts of things. Not a scary kid they don't have in place. I mean he kills people a bit but he doesn't. You know, you never like what the hell is this kid's problem? You're always like, oh, here's a kid, and then he just decides to kill people when he's like mildly angry.
Speaker 1:He says a joke when he gets upset and then kill somebody, which I appreciate. I like it, but it's just. You know, it's not creepy, it doesn't give me the feeling of dread.
Speaker 2:Now, that's the thing that's going to be. My question is you always talk about I like horror movies because I like how they do the kills, and this movie certainly. The kills are entertaining, they're funny. But I mean, are most horror movies where you just have funny kills and it's not scary, it's just like oh.
Speaker 1:I mean, it depends, it totally depends. 90s movies, the popular ones, yes, is very much like they're not scary, like you're not scared. There's some jump scares, sure, because you know that was like they're not scary, like you're not scared. There's some jump scares because you know that's that was like a big thing, is like you jump scare. But the movie itself isn't really scary. Sure, it's fun, like we're having a good time watching people be scared and that's exciting. Like I know, what you did last summer is not a scary movie by, I would say, any means, but super fun and I love it.
Speaker 1:Not, everybody likes it. When you look at horror movies today, they're all messed up, like we've gone into a place where it's like we we're, we're going darker in the mind, so they're creepy, but I don't find them relatively fun. So I actually I enjoy horror movies less now than I did, like a long time ago. There's some fun ones still that happen, you know, now. And I enjoy, like the new scream movies because they still have, like that, the fun poppiness to them, but they're a little bit edgier than they used to be. So it's, you know, we're going through a transformation, I think, in horror now.
Speaker 2:Did you watch that movie, barbarianbarian?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, Justin Long, Sure, that movie was fucked up.
Speaker 2:Now you see that movie was both scary and creepy and kind of fun. I thought it was fun.
Speaker 1:Exactly, I thought it had everything for me. That's the balance that I like. Okay, good, yeah, but the movie Talk to Me. Did we ever?
Speaker 2:talk about that.
Speaker 1:That was the spooky hand one, yeah, the spooky hand. Like zero fun in that movie. It's a well-made movie and it's scarring emotionally and mentally. Don't care for it. Like I watched it one time I was like, wow, that's a well-made film. I will never watch that movie again in my entire life because I had zero fun and I like to have a good time so you don't, you don't like a disturbing horror movie that just wants to disturb you and unsettle you and make you walk into the theater unhappy life.
Speaker 1:Does that all on its own, dan. I don't need a movie to do that, but you know a movie that I do enjoy Disturbia. You remember that movie? Shia LaBeouf is that like?
Speaker 2:where he's looking out the window.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like it's a rear window type of movie I think I saw it Super fun, super fun. Kind of silly, kind of dark, great. That's an every year movie for us.
Speaker 2:I just remember it being kind of stupid. That's what I thought.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's not, it doesn't make sense, not all the way through Got it, but I don't think they care. You know what I mean. Like we're having a good time, we bend the rules a little bit to make things more exciting, and I allow it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I like that one with the super hot babysitter. Was that called the Babysitter?
Speaker 1:It was called the Babysitter and that movie's a 10 out of 10. That movie was great. It was called the Babysitter and that movie's a 10 out of 10.
Speaker 2:That movie was great. You're like okay, I love it, it's fun, but she's psycho, so it's sort of scary, but the kid is effective and people get killed.
Speaker 1:And you're like, oh, that's like a perfect example of a movie that I still enjoy that I feel like could have been made in the earlier 2000s.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, got it.
Speaker 1:The vibe of it and I love it. And Robbie Amell runs around with a shirt off making jokes the whole time as he kills. It's great. It's a great movie. And so what about Mikey? I loved Mikey. We had an absolute blast with Mikey. It is hilarious. That's pretty much it. It's very fun, we had a great time. And then so we watched that and the good son back to back. Good son not fun, right? This movie is. It's twisted, it's, it's, I mean, it's not not fun, but it's not the same kind of movie. So it was fun to get, uh, both perspectives, but Mikey's great. I would watch Mikey again.
Speaker 2:I found it just abysmally boring, just I found it just abysmally boring, Just like oh, my God.
Speaker 1:You didn't like his one-liners.
Speaker 2:Well the thing you want to realize about Mikey is you got five minutes of mayhem at the beginning.
Speaker 1:Then you got about an hour and ten minutes of nothing.
Speaker 2:The in-between.
Speaker 1:Then you got ten minutes at the end where you're like okay, I mean, the pacing of this movie is crazy, damn, because they there's. I feel like it's very rare that in a horror movie, you come out the gate and you know exactly who the killer is, you know what, like what their plan is, and then you're just like and now we're gonna go do it a second time, nothing changes, it's the exact like. The first eight minutes of this movie is the exact same story as the next hour and a half of this movie, and that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I love it. I just was like, oh my God, there's just like more. You know, they would just have like weird scenes that like didn't add up to anything, you know they don't add up, but there's some funny stuff in them, dan.
Speaker 1:I feel like you missed it.
Speaker 2:No, I saw the whole movie. I didn't miss anything.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying you didn't see the movie. I think that you were too upset to fully enjoy the craziness that ensues in the next one hour of this movie. That makes literally zero sense.
Speaker 2:Upset. You'd have to have me engaged to make me upset. The key word is bored, just like oh, okay, well, okay, they know that he's a psychopath and they're sort of trying to prove it and they're like he's a psychopath. Not that hard, he's a psychopath and they're like and why do you think he's a psychopath? I just think he's a psychopath.
Speaker 1:I just get the feeling. I just feel it. You know he gives me that vibe and also I mean, how can you not love a movie where a nine-year-old kid is able to just out-strength all of the adults? He's nine. This movie should be eight seconds long. He should. At most he should murder one person and then the next person just hits him in the face and he's down. That's it. That should be the end of the movie. But I love that. It's not. You love that it's not.
Speaker 2:So we start with. Here's Mikey with his adopted sister. So he's with a new family, so he's with a yeah, his first.
Speaker 1:yeah, so he's with a new family. So he's with a yeah, his first.
Speaker 2:yeah, so he's with another family. I'm not sure why you would adopt a kid that's older than a kid you just had, because the daughter's younger.
Speaker 1:Are you sure that they adopt him, Dan? Because here's the thing-.
Speaker 2:He just wandered into the house and stayed Listen.
Speaker 1:The movie later talks about how they don't know where he came from and there's no adoption papers from the first adoption and they're all like I didn't know he was adopted. He hasn't said, but there should be a paper trail of adoption. It sounds like they just took the kid in from the street. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Might have been one of those. What was her? Jessica Smart. You know where. They just grabbed him and kept him.
Speaker 1:Oh my, Is this a real life scenario? I think that's her name.
Speaker 2:Oh man, oh no, that one's, that thing's crazy. They stole this girl and then, you know like, started raising her and they, like, they finally found them. You know like, five years later, six years later, and they're just like they're walking on the street and they're like, oh no, she doesn't talk.
Speaker 1:I think, oh man, that's one of those crazy stories, and this is exactly why I like fun horror movies. Real life is so much darker than I want my horror movies to be.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, like that other one a couple of years ago where the guy had like women trapped in the building and then one of them finally gets out and runs to the next door neighbors and they're all like, wait, you that building. And then there's like two other girls in there. This guy's been keeping in there. How many people do it? I'm you're always amazed, how do they do it? You know we can. We can barely, barely keep the tires on the car. You know they're like keeping multiple people tied locked up and I can barely feed myself three times a day.
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't know how I'm keeping people prisoner for years at a time. How do you do that?
Speaker 2:So boom, he's sitting there. He's burning stuff in the middle of the room. Little girl, is sitting there next to him. It looks like he's burning letters.
Speaker 1:So I was like oh, interesting.
Speaker 2:We're going to find out why he's burning these letters.
Speaker 1:No, it was just the safest thing to burn on set that day.
Speaker 2:The mom, stepmom, mom of the house busts in You're trying to kill us, you're doing this again. You're like wait again. So I'm like this is a lot of backloading and backstory that we're never going to find out about he's clearly not trying to kill them, though, right like he's burning the papers in a relatively safe receptacle.
Speaker 1:It's containing the flame, I don't know, but I'm a little confused.
Speaker 2:I think he's just burning it on the floor.
Speaker 1:I thought it was on the floor. I thought it was in like a paper tray, but maybe you're right.
Speaker 2:I thought it was just on the middle of the floor. Um, the other little girl is sitting there and you're feeling like she's complicit you don't feel like she does not look like she's there against her, will you know? It seems like she's part of the whole thing and you're like, oh, okay yeah, and this is exactly why I believe she needed to die.
Speaker 1:I'm on mikey's side, okay, because in the next scene the mom is like, hey, why'd you do that? Mikey's like she told me to. And then the sister clearly is lying when she tells the mom she didn't have anything to do with it. Because, I agree with you, dan, she looks like she's into it in the first scene. I think that she's totally bad as well. Then, as she lies to the mom, mikey gets hit in the face and I was like, yeah, he's got to kill the sister, he's got to get rid of her.
Speaker 2:Now, did you know, kids, that were fire bugs when you were a kid?
Speaker 1:Thank goodness I did not. I was afraid of fire. I did not enjoy fire whatsoever. You were afraid of fire. Fire's hot man, it's so hot, I don't like it. That Fire, fire's hot man, it's so hot, I don't like it. That shouldn't be that weird. Hold on a second.
Speaker 2:What are you even afraid of fire?
Speaker 1:To this day, Dan, when we do bonfires everyone has. We do these beach bonfires because we're pampered, spoiled brats, but we do beach bonfires in Huntington Beach. If you haven't done it, I would recommend it. Super fun, Not cheap, but they set up chairs in a circle right. That are all equal around the fire.
Speaker 2:The first thing I do is I pull my chair back five feet, hold on. You pay people to set this up for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, because what Am I going to build my own fire? Come on, I don't know how to do that. Dan, I you get wood and cares. I'm not a woodsman. I don't know how to build a fire. I know how to put gasoline on a fire.
Speaker 2:You should never put gasoline on a fire. This is why I'm not allowed to do it, dan, so you pull your chair back five feet.
Speaker 1:At least, at least five feet, because what if the wind changes? What if the wind changes? All of a sudden, the fire is in my face. I need separation, and yeah, then you don't. All of a sudden, the fire's in my face. I need separation, and yeah, then you don't get the warmth of the fire. But is that really necessary? I don't think so.
Speaker 2:I don't like fire, so you didn't know any firebugs. That's what you're saying.
Speaker 1:Sorry, yeah, no, I did not know any firebugs. You were one, weren't you?
Speaker 2:Oh no, Well, oh no Well, a little. No, I mean, I wasn't.
Speaker 1:I burned three, four houses tops, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I remember one of my childhood friends. One of my junior high friends talked about some guy they knew and he always was getting caught making fires and he'd go to the park and do fires. This kid was just like he was into it.
Speaker 1:Did you ever follow up? No, I would love to know where he is now. No, jail, he's in jail, dan. I'll just tell you that right now.
Speaker 2:I think they're out there. I think the Firebug kids are out there, I think they're out there, of course they are.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of crazy people, so I shouldn't say crazy you know so he's.
Speaker 2:So mikey steals the sister beth doll and then goes out on the uh, puts it, throws he threw it in the pool, but he, he eventually throws it in the pool.
Speaker 1:Let me set this scene because this feels like the most dangerous thing they do in the whole movie. There's they have some weird design in their backyard, I would say, where there's like water patches and then like planks that go between them of concrete. So it's like water patches and then like planks that go between them of concrete. So it's like a weird design and these kids are like sprinting full, full bore through these. I was like I can't even believe they did this on set. This is not safe. These kids could slip easily and crack their face on the concrete.
Speaker 2:Anyhow, they make it through the 90s were a crazy time, so you're like you. So you're like you're like. Too much horse play, is that?
Speaker 1:what you're doing Way too much horse play. And they were being told to do it. That's in real life. They were like, yeah, just run through these cobwebs of concrete, You're probably not going to slip and die. I didn't feel like it was very safe. Are you afraid of water too?
Speaker 2:I'm water, it's the antithesis of fire. I love water, just checking.
Speaker 1:I don't like the ocean, though have we talked about that? Afraid of the ocean, won't go in it. Will you stand in the ocean? We'll not touch the ocean water. No, thank you. What's wrong with the ocean? First of all, everything. There are creatures in there that we've probably never even seen okay, you don't know what's lurking in the dark but also jellyfish Hate jellyfish.
Speaker 1:My mom got sunk by a jellyfish once in Cocoa Beach, I don't know somewhere, and I was like, well, that's no good. And then I was taking pictures of my brother surfing. Have I told you this? No, I was taking pictures. I was in the ocean. This was the last time I was ever in the ocean. I was taking pictures, taking pictures, a wave came, hit me. I tumbled, tore my meniscus, couldn't get out of the water. My brother had a fireman carry me out of the water. Look at this body, dan. My brother. Not like me, he's not as big as me. I can't believe. This was like the mother lifting a car. But he picks me up, fireman, carries me, throws me on the beach, had to have surgery. Never been in the ocean since. That was like 10 years ago. 10 years ago, so not very Probably more, because I think it was actually before I moved out here. Oh, okay, so it was probably more like 12, 15.
Speaker 2:Oh so this is a late in life. Real fear will not go into the ocean, never again. When I was a kid, we were at this pool party, and I guess I didn't know how to swim, that's a bad start. You shouldn't be at a pool, Dan. I was in the pool and I think I almost drowned.
Speaker 1:You don't know how to swim. Of course, you almost drowned. Who is watching you, dan? I don't know. This is what I'm talking about. We parents back then were loosey goosey.
Speaker 2:But you know, I'm not afraid of water.
Speaker 1:Okay, mr Tough Guy, I'm going to throw you in the deep end. See how that goes. I'm a little afraid of heights now, though. Afraid of heights Understandable. I'm afraid of gravity, not afraid of heights necessarily. Because there's people that, like, they step to the edge of a cliff and they look down and they're like, oh, I'm scared. I'm not scared of that, but like bungee jumping, climbing a rope, I'm not going to do any of that, because at some point it's going to snap, because I'm 300 pounds and I'm going to fall faster than everybody else. And I understand what people say, that like, oh, everything falls at the same rate, or whatever the feather thing is. It's bullshit. I'm going to fall faster and I'm going to explode on the concrete.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean a feather goes slower because it has a bunch of wind resistance and all that right.
Speaker 1:But it was like isn't there this thing that's like what falls faster, a pound of feathers or a pound of something else, something like that.
Speaker 2:The point is well, you have terminal velocity right, so if you throw a penny off the Empire State Building, it doesn't kill somebody.
Speaker 1:I regret this decision immediately Continue.
Speaker 2:It doesn't kill somebody when it gets to the ground so it doesn't just keep going faster. There's like a maximum velocity. It might hurt a little bit, but it doesn't keep going. It doesn't keep increasing in volume.
Speaker 1:But yeah, yeah, I got it.
Speaker 2:Yeah a pound of this and a pound of that are going to fall.
Speaker 1:Same. Well, I'm going to fall faster because I'm more pounds than everybody else.
Speaker 2:But you'll reach maximum velocity, you'll still get killed.
Speaker 1:And kill anyone else below me.
Speaker 2:I'm not a penny, so Mikey lures her out on the diving board, then bounces it until she falls in, then stands there and watches her drown while mom is upstairs with the bubble bath. Yep, and I'm like, oh, the mom's naked. And I'm like, ah, then later we have like a little bit of nudity. And you're just like, yeah, we do. You're just like, if you're not going to, I don't understand.
Speaker 1:Are you upset because they did it for one bath scene and not the other?
Speaker 2:And like the, other girl, the young girl you're like we don't see her nude either, it's like the older sister. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just. It's just the new mom.
Speaker 2:I don't, I don't get it, but you know so he goes up there, mom's in the bath and then she's like she's on the phone and she does a whole. Adopting you was a mistake. He had cut off the phone, so again are you against her being murdered?
Speaker 1:Because I'm kind of not. I'm like, yeah, she's awful, let's kill her.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know, I don't think she should be killed, but she certainly.
Speaker 1:Sure, I understand in real life, yeah, but in a horror movie. These are the things that make it okay for these characters to die, like in horror movies. We like to start by letting you know that the people that die first are bad. Sure, so you don't care as much, and then later we'll care about the main characters, because they're better people.
Speaker 2:So now, with the sleepaway camps and all the Halloweens and all those stupid movies, oh my, god.
Speaker 1:First of all, I love that Sleepaway Camp was the first one you thought of.
Speaker 2:Well, that's their camp. The camp ones.
Speaker 1:That movie's so crazy.
Speaker 2:And they are.
Speaker 1:Do you know Sleepaway Camp? I've heard of it.
Speaker 2:Do you know how it ends? Probably with all the people getting killed, except the one hot girl, oh my God, no, dan, you Watch the original Sleepaway Camp the end.
Speaker 1:you're going to hate it. You're going to. It's a terrible movie. It's terribly made. It's very boring. The end twist is unbelievable.
Speaker 2:Maybe I will.
Speaker 1:Please do. I can't tell you what it is because I'll ruin it. That's the only good part of the movie. Anyway, continue. I'm sorry. Setting me up by saying it's very boring is the exact wrong way to entice me to watch something. But I want you to know I don't want you to go into it thinking that I think it's great. You know what I mean. I'm trying to set your expectation of my taste because the ending makes everything worth it. Okay, it's so good, it's so funny, but it's not a great movie.
Speaker 2:So, mikey, but what was your question Plugs in. I don't know what my question was. Plugs in Plugs in the hair dryer, throws it in the bath, kills the mom.
Speaker 1:Hold on, though, Tim.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:He throws the hair dryer. She catches it. How does she catch it? It doesn't go in the water. She catches it perfectly fine above her head, it's totally dry and yet somehow it starts electrocuting as she's holding it. That's not how any of that works.
Speaker 2:I can attest to this. That is not how it works.
Speaker 1:Dan's blow-drying his hair in the bath all the time. It's fine, that's very true.
Speaker 2:Boom, he sets out some big ball bearings. Don't know where he got those. Dad comes home, sees the dead body, slips on one of the balls.
Speaker 1:Wait, wait, wait, Dan. They show the daughter floating in the pool. That's funny. A million to one. That's a Cabbage Patch doll. It looks so much like a Cabbage Patch we paused it. It is a Cabbage Patch doll floating in the pool. 10 out of 10. It's glorious.
Speaker 2:That's the kind of special effects you got to have in a movie like this so funny. It's been 1999 on. Well, it might have been more expensive at that point, Chet.
Speaker 1:Patchballs not cheap. I think they were a big deal. Yeah, they were pretty good.
Speaker 2:Slips on the ball bearings, goes through the glass wall, the glass, the glass door.
Speaker 1:The glass door it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2:Then Mikey comes out with a bat and beats him to death while filming it.
Speaker 1:Bludgeons him in the head. Yeah, probably probably the best death of the film. I think it's pretty good. I mean it's pretty good. Yeah, it's pretty good Because he's nine and he says something like what does he call him? Champ, or something. I can't remember. I think I don't know if I wrote it down or not, but he does have. He has a hell of a one-liner when he beats see ya champ, I did write it down. He's holding the bat. He goes see ya champ and then just bludgeons his dad. Great stuff, we do a little.
Speaker 2:Thank you, hold the bat and go see a champ and then just bludgeons his dad to death. Great stuff. We do a little Thank you. We do a little bit with the police, Mikey sort of. They find the mom Mikey's in the closet and he sort of says there was a dude with a bushy hair and a red jacket who drove away in a car. Nothing was stolen.
Speaker 1:Really thought that that was going to come back later.
Speaker 2:No, Nope, like we just kind of let it go. That's super weird. A psychologist has him in there playing in the dollhouse, he talks about the stranger and how he hates that man and the psychologist is like I'm fooled by this small child. You're cured. No, it's not cured. He's doing an analyzation of the kid. He's psychoanalyzing him to see If he could have done it. No, it's not cured, I don't know. He's doing an analyzation of the kid, right, he's he's psychoanalyzing to see if he could have done it.
Speaker 2:Or you know what the you know, somehow this kid, that's this young, knows how to like fool.
Speaker 1:He outsmarts all of the psychologists in this movie.
Speaker 2:There's a couple, I think, there's like two or three, and he outsmarts every single one, but we do set up at some point later that he's very, very smart, smart.
Speaker 1:Smartest kid in the world? Yeah, which is, you know, scary. That's a scary trait the smarter you are, the more dangerous you are. Look at me, Look at you. Dangerous man alive.
Speaker 2:Boom, they do a report. He's traumatized. Get him a new family. Oh, the mom that just died has a sister. We bring her in there and they're like you should take this kid and she's all like he's adopted, he's abused. And they're like you're all he has and she's all like nope, I'm out yeah, we never see her again.
Speaker 1:Right, never again. It she's brought up one more time in the movie, but you'd never see her again.
Speaker 2:Why would you take the?
Speaker 1:time to hire this actress. Who cares? We got to show that he's Does not matter at all. He's really not like okay okay, yeah, does she know that he's crazy? If that's your point, if she's like, no, he's the devil, and everyone's like, oh, no, he's not. Maybe that's something. It's still dumb, but this has no bearing on the story whatsoever.
Speaker 2:She's actually the craziest person in the movie. The way she acts, right about then yeah Boom, he gets picked up by the Trentons at the airport. A couple, they bring him a baseball glove it's Neil and Rachel and we set up. Oh, you get your joke. He's like you like baseball. He's like do you like to pitch?
Speaker 1:And he's like I'm a better hitter. How much did you laugh at that line, Tony? I laughed a lot on a lot of lines, Dan. I'm not going to lie. There's some really nice one-liners in this movie. If the rest of the dialogue was as good as the one-liners were, this might have been a really good movie.
Speaker 2:They get home he meets Miss Owens who's wait, so it's the next-door neighbor, the teacher no.
Speaker 1:No, no. The teacher's the best friend Teacher's the best friend. And then there's also the next door neighbor.
Speaker 2:So the next door neighbor is Mrs Owens. Her son is Ben, who has the weirdest looking face.
Speaker 1:He's the kid from Jurassic Park, the one that Alan Grant does the raptor thing to in the beginning of the movie. You don't remember it.
Speaker 2:He's the main kid in Jurassic Park with the little girl. Oh God, no, no, no, sorry, he's the main kid in Jurassic Park with the little girl, oh.
Speaker 1:God, no, no, no, sorry, that was rude. No, no, no. He's the kid at the very beginning, when they're at the dig site and he's like, oh, it's just a big bird who cares. And then Helen Grant takes his Raptor claw and he's like it'll cut you here and here.
Speaker 2:I, I don't think I ever saw it again.
Speaker 1:Wait, are you not a Jurassic Park fan? I love Jurassic Park.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, you don't, I mean okay, you know, I mean, I saw it when it came out and I liked it.
Speaker 1:Okay, what I'm saying is Jurassic Park Is good.
Speaker 2:We watched one for this show and it was really bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, the original Jurassic Park Is really good. The other ones are silly. Her best friend is. I still enjoy them.
Speaker 2:Her best friend is Sean. I don't know. Do we ever forget how that's spelled?
Speaker 1:No, nope, definitely not.
Speaker 2:She's your teacher. Then we spend time with Mikey obsessing over the fish Yep.
Speaker 1:Is there a psychological thing that I'm missing with the fish? I have no idea.
Speaker 2:I mean the fish we use later, in the weirdest scene of the movie, sure, they go to bed, they talk about how great Mikey is, and then they make out.
Speaker 1:This is Dan. We gotta talk. This is the worst on-screen kiss we have seen on this show since the love guru I'm telling you right now this is worse, let me. I don't know if you were paying attention I watched it multiple times she is not into this at all.
Speaker 1:Okay, this I don't. I'm going to posit a theory that these two actors hated each other. Okay, she. This is how the kiss goes. So this is her end. She opens her mouth like a fish and does not move. He, on the other hand, grabs her by the neck and does this I'm going to pretend that she just does it or just rubs his mouth all over her mouth. There's no kissing involved, he's just mashing his lips on her lips and she is not moving at all. She is dead. It is the most awkward kiss I've ever seen on screen. So pretty hot. I was totally aroused.
Speaker 2:Yes, mikey, we have a scene of Mikey playing with his toys. Yeah, great, we go to kids, kids are kids, we go to Indian guides where we do bow practice and which is not okay. The interesting thing about the bow practice with Indian guides I don't know if you noticed this, but one of the guys is shooting a bow with hunting arrows.
Speaker 1:I actually did notice that.
Speaker 2:You're just like you would not be practicing with hunting arrows around a bunch of kids Not there, nope, because a kid would pick that up and then he'd shoot a pigeon or he'd shoot his friend in the foot or something terrible.
Speaker 1:It's that one. He's not shooting a pigeon, Dan, he's shooting another kid.
Speaker 2:No kid in the world back in the 80s or 90s would have any access to. I mean, if they did, that parent would be going to jail Because those things are terrible, super scary. Now, did you know people that bow hunted? My uncle is actually a huge bow hunter, loves it it still today and did he use those terrible, terribly, you know, inflicted all sorts of grievous wounds he has a crazy collection.
Speaker 1:oh wow, like he has everything ranging from, like the most basic, like similar, what the kids were you like you know, because it depends on what level of challenge you want for the day. Sure, right, so the more basic you go, the harder the game actually is. But he's obsessive. He did competitions of bullseyes. I don't even know what that's called Archery. Is that just what archery?
Speaker 2:is Archery is called archery. You got it.
Speaker 1:But yeah. So he's got ones with scopes on it and stuff. He's got some toys. I.
Speaker 2:He's got ones with scopes on it and stuff. He's got some toys. I think one of Shannon's uncles was a senior Olympics or something real.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, so he put it to good use, at least Went to the Olympics, sure I don't know, maybe it's just senior national championships, no he's an Olympic gold medalist for sure.
Speaker 2:No, he's not an Olympic gold medalist, so he's a natural. And we're like, oh, someone's dying by bow, even though we've watched the trailer. We know someone dies by bow. We know, yeah, first day of school he's there. We learn about marble time. Why don't you talk about marble time, tony?
Speaker 1:I'm not sure that I can, because I don't understand it. I like, apparently, if you do something good, you put a marble in a container and eventually something happens where you get a prize well, I mean it happens.
Speaker 2:I don't get. It happens in the show it does happen.
Speaker 1:But even I watched it and I was like I don't understand what's going on so basically because it looks like it just one marble fell out. Couldn't you just put it on the other thing?
Speaker 2:well, I don't know that when the marble falls out, you're like why did you have the marble? So basically, there's a that's what I'm saying there's a thing with, and it reaches a certain weight of marble.
Speaker 1:So each day and something good happens you put a marble in there, then it, when it gets to a certain point, it pushes down and it has this little rube goldberg machine chain reaction and then a door opens and then there's a prize which I guess goes to the kid who put that marble in the last marble yeah, not all the other kids that put marbles in over the year like they've been building it up. You just happen to get lucky.
Speaker 2:That's not a great way to teach kids and there are hundreds and hundreds of marbles in this thing.
Speaker 1:There's so many marbles.
Speaker 2:It's not like 20. It's like 200.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is like six years in the making.
Speaker 2:Now, when you were a kid in school, did you guys have like the star system where you'd get gold stars and you would build them up on a chart. And then something would happen. I think, I don't know, did something happen?
Speaker 1:Yeah, we used to get bookmarks, I don't know what other people did. But you get so many stars, you would get a bookmark. I loved them because I was a huge Scholastic Book Fair fan back in the day. Oh, look at you. Those were the best days of the year, man.
Speaker 2:Oh, I love the book fair. Now, did you save all your little things? You threw them away.
Speaker 1:I threw most of them away, but I did keep all of my Goosebumps books. I have almost the entire collection at home.
Speaker 2:Are they all worn? Because you've read them so many times, so it's funny. Are they in condition? Because you've never read them?
Speaker 1:It depends on where you are in the spectrum. Like the first 20 to 30 are all well worn and like. Obviously I loved them, but I kept collecting them and read them less and less and less, and there's some that it looks like I've never even opened. But I bought them. Nice, I don't know Nice. It's a perfect story of my life.
Speaker 2:Perfect way to collect. Boom, boom, boom. Oh, marble time. And then they leave. They take the shortcut through the cemetery. Ben's dad is dead.
Speaker 1:I guess.
Speaker 2:I guess Ben's dad is dead.
Speaker 1:I guess, and I guess he gets sort of angry about that, and so to get back at Ben, he acts like he lays on a grave and acts like he's dead. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:The kid's clearly got mental problems. Man, the new parents look at a drawing he did and try to understand what's going on in his brain?
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is, by the way, the drawing is his dead on in his brain. Yeah, which is, by the way, the drawing is his dead sister in a pool right, oh was it.
Speaker 2:I didn't understand that.
Speaker 1:I couldn't make out what that drawing was it's, it's a pool with a girl floating in and they were like, oh, someone swimming means this. And I was like that girl's not swimming guys. She dead.
Speaker 2:That guys, she dead, that's. That's a oh yeah, it's a cabbage patch doll in a pool. So there's once I don't remember this scene there's a frog that ben has and then the cat gets the frog or something.
Speaker 1:There's like some weird frog stuff that goes on chases the frog I don't think it ever gets it, but I'm I guess. I'm not totally sure there might be a different frog later, but he definitely has a frog later as well yeah, um, then Then Hard to be sure.
Speaker 2:Then we do marble time again and Mikey tries to cheat at it and he gets lectured about cheating.
Speaker 1:Now I don't totally. We don't really see him cheat any other time, right, that's just pathology. I don't really understand this.
Speaker 2:Because we're trying to set up a pathology that she sees that will lead her to think he's a problem.
Speaker 1:She's the one that figures it out, yeah she's the one.
Speaker 2:And then she's like you got to tell your folks you're a big cheater and he's all like yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'll totally do it.
Speaker 2:And then he never really gets in. We're like, oh, in a real movie he'd get in trouble for not telling. But it doesn't really happen. Yeah, happen, yeah, no, no, definitely not. Then at the zoo he sees gorilla, he helps some lady who leaves her purse behind, and so now his parents think he's, he's great, he's a saint.
Speaker 1:I just want to say the soundtrack at the zoo is wrong. The music is bumping. We are having like party music and nothing's happening at this? They're just looking at animals. Super weird, I don't know. That was it. It's the only musical choice that I noticed in the movie, and I noticed it for the wrong reason.
Speaker 2:That's why you don't want to have music in your movie, just a silent film. So then, Sean and the new mom meet and the new mom gives Sean a gun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, why? Why did you know? No, okay, all right. Yep, I mean, other than you know we're using it later, so they're like well, we got to get it in there somewhere, we got to get her a gun now and okie doke yeah, it made no sense. It's so weird, doesn't make any sense class.
Speaker 2:We do another. He does a drawing of a turkey. This is turkey cutting off the head of a pilgrim that is correct.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's his thanksgiving drawing, you know, because pilgrims were a problem and the turkey what he said. He explained it at some point I don't remember the turkey. The turkey's fixing it. Yeah, pilgrims are bad, so the turkey is fixing it. That was a direct quote from the movie well, he's not wrong.
Speaker 2:Hilarious, he's not right.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying again so far, up to this point, I'm pretty much on mikey's side. He has done all the right thing. He killed all the people that needed to be killed so far and pilgrims were bad so the teacher realizes that he has unattached syndrome, not a thing I don't. Is that a real okay? I mean, maybe it is, but so like, why does she, why is she diagnosed? Like, why is she coming up with answers? Because you know what I mean. She could be like oh, there's something wrong.
Speaker 2:No, he cheated and he drew the turkey, killing the pilgrim.
Speaker 1:She was like ah, I know exactly what this is. It's right in the book here.
Speaker 2:There's the book. There's the turkey picture, there's the cheating. Those two things.
Speaker 1:Unattached syndrome. Got it I mean, that's all he did right, that's all he's done. That's the only two things he's done. Other than that, he's basically the sweetest kid in the world. I don't know.
Speaker 2:So then she starts to try to track down information on him and can't find any records.
Speaker 1:Well, she goes to another teacher guy oh no, that's not yet.
Speaker 2:Oh, oh, that's not yet, that's not, that's my next note I'm sorry, I don't think we're there yet. I don't think that was that one all right, we get it's well.
Speaker 1:It's right after the turkey drawing, because she shows him the turkey drawing and I know this because he has some. He has a line where he's like I used to draw. I used to draw things like this all the time, but I'm not psychotic which made me laugh really hard.
Speaker 2:Maybe it was that scene, sorry.
Speaker 1:It doesn't really matter. I'm only bringing him up because my question to you, dan, is who is he? He's kind of. What is his role in the school? He's kind of the principal. He's kind of is not an answer to that. You're either a principal or you're not a principal. You're either a guidance counselor or you're not a guidance counselor. And you're either the PE teacher or you're not.
Speaker 2:He's the principal, but they didn't have access to a principal's office to shoot in, so that's what happened.
Speaker 1:So there you go. I don't know it was weird. I just I didn't understand who he was in the higher. I didn't know why she was going to him.
Speaker 2:None of it made any sense um, they're doing the baseball game and they're like shirts and skins, shirts and skins. And then he's like I don't want to be a shirt skin. He's all like they do a big argument and we're like, oh, there's something going on with his body and I mean they kind of implied that he was molested, something.
Speaker 1:They implied that they did bad things to his body. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:But, dan, this is my second favorite line of the whole movie. Yeah, they're arguing over taking off your shirt or not movie. Yeah, they're arguing over taking off your shirt or not. And the teacher looks at mikey and says look, what's the big deal? Take your shirt off. Which is my new pickup line for the rest of my life hey, what's the big deal? Take your shirt off done.
Speaker 2:That's you. Do you like that? Why did you? Why did you like that line?
Speaker 1:I don't understand it's a funny thing to watch a teacher try to convince a child to take his shirt off, and he's just like, hey, come on, what's the big deal? Take your shirt off. It's very weird.
Speaker 2:It felt inappropriate. Each time you say that it's not funny, I don't laugh.
Speaker 1:Well, it's going to be funny. Dan, don't worry when you think about this late in the night and you're talking to Shannon. All of a sudden in your head you're like hey, what's your big deal? Take your shirt off. You're going to love her.
Speaker 2:Okay, so now we're on the bus. I think he's talking to Ben and we find out his favorite character is Freddy Krueger. Like how does this kid?
Speaker 1:see a Freddy Krueger movie. Someone messed up. You know what I'm saying. You are too young for that, sir.
Speaker 2:And then why not take off your shirt? Because my parents were bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, then he's in the classroom, but they weren't right, so here's at least not his last parents right. The side pony lady in the tub, she's not the one that did anything right.
Speaker 2:I think they're trying to say that his very first parents abused him and that's why he's broken as opposed to, he's just a general sociopath um, okay, thank god we put a reason to it. He's in, maybe maybe somebody's talking to the principal guy and there's a skeleton in there and he's like how did this? How did he die? And the guy's like we don't know. And then we find out it's a kid's skeleton.
Speaker 1:Right, which is really fucked up.
Speaker 2:Well, no place would ever have a kid's skeleton in a school Right.
Speaker 1:Not a school for sure. Yeah Right, maybe at like some sort of maybe a university where you're studying things like that, not in an elementary school, just another dead kid's skull, no, or whole skeleton. That's super weird. Let me ask you a question, dan, but we need this for the movie. That's why it's there. We need it for the movie, because this is his entire escape plan. Were those real? Because we had a skeleton as well, but I don't think it was real.
Speaker 2:They were real to a certain point and then they started being not real.
Speaker 1:Okay, you know what? Humanity Good choice. Yeah, that's super weird to have them be real. A skeleton's expensive first of all.
Speaker 2:So at a certain point, making them out of plastic is going to be cheaper.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and less horrific. It's just a skeleton, not if it's a real. It used to be a person. That's weird, dan. You know what you Not. If it's a real, it used to be a person.
Speaker 2:That's weird, Dan, you know what. You're messed up.
Speaker 1:So like, let's see If somebody wanted to give you like a skull, like a real skull, would you keep it in your house? No, a skull, you wouldn't keep it. That probably carries with it a ghost, nope.
Speaker 2:I'm out. You wouldn't want to have a skull really.
Speaker 1:Why would I want a skull? That's so creepy? What about a dinosaur skull? All right, now you're talking my language. Me and Nick Cage could go splitsies on another T-Rex.
Speaker 2:Okay, now he meets Jesse. I mean, is he just finally meeting Jesse? Yeah, because they talked about her earlier, but I think she didn't come home yet, so Jesse comes in, mikey's on the floor, no pulse and Ben's there and we find out that he's figured out if you put a super ball under your thing and go like this, you can faint. You know it stops your blood flow to your arm and you won't have a pulse. Is that real? Absolutely.
Speaker 1:That's creepy, yeah, and also sounds very dangerous.
Speaker 2:I mean, is it dangerous? I mean, you're just, you know it's like if you go here, then you know you won't have a pulse here, right? You know that your pulse is just the pulse. Is you just putting your finger on here, right, and the blood is like I'm?
Speaker 1:just saying how long can your limbs go without blood flow? Let's test Everybody, everyone hang on. How long can your limbs go without blood flow? Let's test. Let's test Everybody, everyone hang on. We're going to see how long it takes for Dan to lose the hand.
Speaker 2:Can't you knock somebody out? If you, is it the sleeper hold? Is it the karate?
Speaker 1:Back in the day, at sleepovers, you used to do this thing where you would do this and then hold it and then you would pass out. That was like a thing when I was growing up was making yourself pass out, which is very dumb. Please, god, do not do that. Anyone that's watching, but that was like a thing. Is you used to cut off your, your whatever this oxygen or the blood, whatever?
Speaker 2:it is and then you would pass out I mean, if you're stopping the, because you didn't, you couldn't not breathe, right right, so it's no, it's a very specific two points or something that you have to like cut something, and then you can make yourself pass out. So I think these are your carotid arteries up here on your neck and I guess, if you do that, that's why, when you get your throat slit, it squirts out.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:And so I guess if you do that, then you're cutting off the blood flow to your brain and then you're going to pass out, which is not smart. That's not a smart thing to do and then if the other kids then keep holding your hands there you're going to die?
Speaker 1:Well then, you're dead.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that's not the game. Everybody you let go immediately. Did you guys ever do that in camp?
Speaker 1:Yeah, we used to do that all the time. That was like a thing oh God, yeah, kids are dumb, man, kids are dumb. You ever do light as a feather, stiff as a board though. No, that was a good one. I never went to camp.
Speaker 2:I was a kid and I was like this camp thing was like I did not understand it, because no one I knew went to camp.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess that's fair. We didn't have camp Camp wasn't like this thing? Camp's cool man, rich kid. Well, I can't argue with that, I take offense to it. How about that so?
Speaker 2:Jesse gets down there, gives him mouth to mouth, and then he, you know, wakes up and then she's all like you know, he's all like fooled ya. And then she's all like you were a good kisser. And I'm just like, oh my god, like talk about my God, like talk about it. Let's assume this kid wasn't completely maladjusted. If you're just like a normal kid, this is the point at which your life ends.
Speaker 1:Well, and if it doesn't, it'll end later, because she says this a second time later. Oh yeah, like she's into it. Dan, I don't know. This kid is living my dream right now. Okay, he's crushing it. Dan, I don't know, this kid is living my dream right now. Okay, he's crushing it. They're in the boat later and she's like you're going to kiss her and then also she's swimming around and she's like you can look it's okay to look what, what, what is going on? She is coming on to this kid so hard. It's awesome.
Speaker 2:Don't pretend you don't love it. No, it's terrible, because that's how you ruin a kid.
Speaker 1:You get obsessed with a girl.
Speaker 2:That's very attractive and much older than them. You're just like. Well, forget about it.
Speaker 1:He'll be in love with her forever. She goes up to her room.
Speaker 2:There's David, her boyfriend, hiding in the closet. He's been there for who knows how long, and then they make out.
Speaker 1:I would say days, if I was just to put a number on it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that night Jesse is sleeping, he is peeping on her. He climbs into her room, lets a frog go and then flees, and then she closes the window. No, he didn't flee, he hid under the bed.
Speaker 1:Oh, he hid under the bed, yes, and then she closes the window window and then we cut to the next day.
Speaker 2:He was there all night.
Speaker 1:We can't cut there and never pick it up. What Did he spend the whole night under the bed and then sneak out in the morning? How did he get out of the room, Dan? More importantly, like I know what windows are open when I go to sleep. If I woke up in my window, I would immediately know someone was in the house, because you don't go to sleep with a window open, you just don't do it. What do you mean?
Speaker 2:You don't go to sleep with windows open Every night.
Speaker 1:What floor You're on? The first floor, dan, we have bars but of course, how could you not? Oh, you have bars. Okay, she didn't have any bars. She didn't even have a screen, dan, her window's just open. Animals could come in, vampires could come in. I mean, you're just letting all sorts of things in there.
Speaker 2:Jesus, tony, you're so such a scaredy cat, logical, cautious, he goes back down there looking at the fish, feeds the fish, the fish frog the fish frog, the frog what? Is that a thing? So he had the frog up, the frog got chased by the cat. I thought it was Ben with the frog that somehow he's gotten the frog. It was. He must've stole the frog, I don't know. He loses the frog in her room and I guess then recaptures the frog and now he has fed the frog to the fish.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's weird, don't really get it.
Speaker 2:Boom, we're back in the class. We're doing spelling bee. He has to spell the word assassin.
Speaker 1:It's very weird. What kind of a spelling bee is like? What are the other words, dan?
Speaker 2:I'm gonna need to know this homicidal and he makes the mistake of mentioning what the name of his old school was. And the teacher is there, she's all like.
Speaker 1:Let me write that down just take a little personal note to follow up on that.
Speaker 2:What street was this? What? What city and state? He doesn't realize he's made a mistake.
Speaker 1:Which is weird because he outsmarts everybody all movie long. So I don't know.
Speaker 2:He wins a marble for that. He puts the marble in it. The machine goes here's a watch. He gets a watch. A watch, that's a great gift. He gets a watch.
Speaker 1:A watch. That's a great gift, Are you kidding me? Pretty good. What do the other kids get when they win? I wonder you can't get a bunch of watches, can you? You could just get another watch. You would have thought it was okay.
Speaker 2:I kids for no reason Did you ever have anything confiscated from you in school, Tony?
Speaker 1:Yeah, snap bracelets, you remember those? Oh yeah, we used to love snap bracelets but at some point they got outlawed. But we still brought them, and so the teacher.
Speaker 1:We would still bring them, and then you know, if you got caught with them, they would take them away. It was real dumb, but with them, they would take them away. It was real dumb. But here's here's the dumber part of it, dan, and this is why it's so so messed up is did you have like a school, like a school store? We used to have a store cart where they push it around and you could like earn tickets throughout the year for doing good things and you could spend the tickets on things kind of like an arcade junior high or high school or elementary school.
Speaker 1:This is middle school, yeah, so I guess junior high would be the word. Yeah. So six through eight for us.
Speaker 2:We had like this little tiny room where you could buy stuff, and at one point we were in charge of it. Well, that seems like a bad joke. I don't understand how that works. We had a box of money and people would come and give us money and we would sell them erasers, Because I always remember we had pencils and they had the football teams on them and each was a different color. Oh, that's cool, they were super cool and I loved them. I loved them to death and I collected them at one point.
Speaker 1:They're really cool. Of course you did.
Speaker 2:That was the beginning, but yeah, at one point, like me or one of my friends like a horrible decision. So you'd go over there during like some break and you know you'd be selling kids pencils and writing this shit who did you give the money? I have no idea. I have no idea how that worked.
Speaker 1:Well, I love that. Good for this. This is the beginning of your entrepreneurial spirit.
Speaker 2:You know it's criminal enterprise.
Speaker 1:I can't believe I didn't steal all the money.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't trust me with money in a million years. I'm like I can buy comic books. Not you, but me. Okay, what were you saying? I don't know what you're saying.
Speaker 1:I have no idea.
Speaker 2:It doesn't matter, okay. Teacher calls the other school you know and finds out about the tragedy, ie him killing the original parents.
Speaker 1:Can they just give that information out over the phone? I mean, I guess it's you know the 90s, back in the 90s nothing meant anything.
Speaker 2:Now it's like everything's like I've been. I've been watching all these cop shows on youtube. You know where they had all these body camps oh, and the cops. They like cut everybody the most slack in the world and none of them ever offer any. You know these people say like the craziest things and you expect the cop to be like. You've made a lot of terrible choices in your life and look at where it's got you. You know, like all the comments we would make.
Speaker 2:They never do it they never say anything they just like please get out of the car. Please get out of the car. Please get out of the car. Okay, now we're dragging you out of the car. Um, but back in the 90s, can you imagine what the 90s was like? People did anything. It's like, oh, wild, wild west baby you want to see your school records. Here they are in facts I'll just fax them over.
Speaker 1:No, no, I don't think so.
Speaker 2:The police guy sent her the police report at some point.
Speaker 1:Yeah that which is that's crazy. You can't just show, like normal people, the police reports. That's not how it works in the 90s.
Speaker 2:You could buy in the 90s I just said anything right, all right you know, it's like you want to come talk to charles manson with your fourth grade class. You come on in here's charlie, great, we'll get drinks.
Speaker 1:It'll be wonderful okay.
Speaker 2:So she's she. Now she's got more to dig into. Um, mikey peeps on jesse some more, then she's all like. The next day she's like let's go on a boat ride. Um, they have romantic music. She toys with him, yeah it's, yeah, it's okay to look, but don't stare. So she's just like, right she's totally cool.
Speaker 1:She's like you know what I'm yours, do what you want.
Speaker 2:I don't know man. He's sitting in the room later watching the video of when he killed his first dad and the new dad comes over and is like oh, you should be watching horror movies.
Speaker 1:What? What are you talking? It's clearly a home video, first of all. You don't look at that and think, well, this is a professionally made film that we just happen to have lying around. Where would he have even gotten a horror movie? I don't know, man. This doesn't make any sense, Dan. It's pretty funny.
Speaker 2:So then Mikey's like how do you know when you're in love?
Speaker 1:And the dad has no idea. He's like you know what I when you're in love and the dad has no idea. He's like you know what? I've never been in love.
Speaker 2:I don't know what to tell you, pal have you seen how your mom and I kiss?
Speaker 1:well, that's the answer to your question. This is not what you want to look for.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you that um, he peeps on jesse some more, but this time he's filming. They start having sex, so he throws a big rock through the window. David comes out and he's all what are you doing? Who did that? Are you insulting me? He's so mad. He's so mad. This is like the best performance of the whole movie. He is pissed. He's ready to go. David kicks a cat and then the cat runs over to Mikey and Mikey does his business on it.
Speaker 1:Mikey kills him, but this is again. This kid is brilliant, right. So he kills the cat and then puts the cat behind a tire to frame the boyfriend for killing the cat. So David leaves, he backs over it. It's really smart. I mean, this kid is out of control.
Speaker 2:Honk, she comes down and she is very mad. Dan, let me ask you a question. Yes, mikey's filming.
Speaker 1:This is real quick, we don't have to talk about it too much. Yeah, let's say you run over your girlfriend's cat. Are you going to honk the horn at midnight and wake everybody up and be like everybody.
Speaker 2:I just killed her cat. It seems like the wrong move. If I was to do that, this would be a two-hour movie of how I would be trying to hide the evidence of that for the rest of my life. Maybe for the rest of my life 100%, without a doubt.
Speaker 1:That's what any normal person would do.
Speaker 2:This would be a black comedy of how I then go about ruining the rest of my life trying to cover up my one accidental crime, and it would be a very sad movie and a movie that I could not watch.
Speaker 1:Could not watch it, but it would make more sense than what happens in this movie. Tell you that.
Speaker 2:So she breaks up with him.
Speaker 1:She's like no more, which is the right move. Yeah, good for her.
Speaker 2:So boom, now we're, yeah, good for her. So boom, now we're in class. Here's Mikey. What is Mikey doing, tony?
Speaker 1:Oh no, I don't know.
Speaker 2:He's stabbing himself with a pushpin.
Speaker 1:Oh, I didn't even write that down. That's weird, but yeah, yeah, he's just self-mutilating, which is dark. It's the darkest thing that happens in the whole movie.
Speaker 2:I thought he was going to be giving himself a tattoo or something cool. We actually see the injury, we don't even ever see the injury. You just sort of see him poke himself with the injury.
Speaker 1:Not only do we not see the injury, but also somehow his parents don't see the injury, even though he's wearing a t-shirt. The next time he sees them and they're like no, he didn't do it, he didn't hurt himself. Doesn't make any sense, See.
Speaker 2:I don't know that my parents would have noticed my injury. You know, because, like as a kid, you're always skinning your knee and you're always doing stuff and I don't think my parents ever noticed any of that.
Speaker 1:I just don't think it would look like a skinned knee. I don't think you can confuse the injury with something else it breaks on your head.
Speaker 2:What's going on with your head? They'd be like mosquitoes, definitely mosquitoes. We had really big mosquitoes today, I don't know and then we sort of established that he's a genius in math yeah, real good, real good at it they bring in the parents again. We do it unattached syndrome. He's brighter than other kids and we talk about the self-mutilation.
Speaker 1:And then they get mad and they're like you're just jealous because he's so perfect and then the mom says the line you just don't want me to be happy to the best friend. How is that where you go with it? Like, what kind of a brain thinks that? That's what's going on here? She just is so jealous that she has a kid now that she's trying to pretend that the kid's a murderer. I don't know, it's really weird.
Speaker 2:Then we get a line like we have Ted Bundy Jr, so which is correct, you're kind of there You're right. So that was all weird. He gets home Uh-huh, and he goes to the fish tank and his favorite fish are gone, because there are some big fish in there, big, big fish.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. What happened to the fish, tony? Well, she sold them Because apparently that's her job. I don't know. I'm honestly still confused about her job because they said something earlier. The dad was like, well, that's what she does, she does aquarium stuff for people, but only in her one aquarium. I mean, I didn't understand.
Speaker 2:I was pretty on board with most of this movie, but the idea that she sold his favorite fish out from under him and that is the thing he's going to get angry about. So like you're going to have to develop a little more if you're going to expect me to really think this kid cares about these stupid fish.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's all pretty bizarre, but great, perfect reaction from the kid Just yells about how they're not his real parents. You know the use.
Speaker 2:He rages upstairs. Okay, I wrote. Somebody brings somebody flowers and mom is naked in the tub.
Speaker 1:The kid. Mikey brings her flowers to apologize, and she's just super naked in the tub, yeah, cool.
Speaker 2:And then he's all like. You know, if I tried to Electrocute you with this hair dryer, I could just do that.
Speaker 1:He says something in the lines of If I throw this into the tub, it's the electric chair or something like that, and she's just like, well, don't do that, that's it Okay.
Speaker 2:You got it, mom, and the gift giving continues Next day at Jesse's. That that's it. Okay. You got it, Mom, and the gift-giving continues Next day at Jesse's or Ben's. He gets Jesse a stuffed cat, and then David shows up.
Speaker 1:Which is sweet yeah.
Speaker 2:David shows up, it's like a typical thing that a kid would do and the girl would be like, oh, this is great, and then she just throws it in the trash when he's gone. Yeah for sure, this is great.
Speaker 1:And then she just throws it in the trash when he's gone. Yeah, for sure, for sure, except for this girl's in love with this tiny young child, so she probably kept it.
Speaker 2:Until David comes outside and puts the plays on her and he gives her flowers and she is back in. Oh no, he begs Once. He begs.
Speaker 1:That's what convinced her. He gets on his knees and begs and she's like, okay, it's fine.
Speaker 2:So the teacher is continuing her research and she's in the library and she's looking at this big machine. What is that machine, tony?
Speaker 1:Oh no, it's a ka-ching, ka-ching and it's old newspapers Ka-ching. What is?
Speaker 2:that. I don't know what it's called. It's either microfilm or microfiche.
Speaker 1:No, it's the first one, microfiche? I don't think so.
Speaker 2:There's two different things. There's where there's a little film strip or where there's these little squares of film that you put down in there.
Speaker 1:Which one's the microfilm. That's the smallest one. I think the film might be the little.
Speaker 2:I think the fish might be the little. I don't know anything about it.
Speaker 1:I've only seen this in movies, never seen one of these in my real life. Yeah, I used to do it.
Speaker 2:I used to do research on them all the time.
Speaker 1:Nerd.
Speaker 2:Okay, microfilm. Microfish time Nerd. Okay, microfilm, like the fish we got through that night at the pool in the hot tub. Somebody's in the hot tub.
Speaker 1:The boyfriend's in the hot tub Stuff goes on.
Speaker 2:What? This is the whole. This is very confusing.
Speaker 1:Jesse and the boyfriend are fooling around in the hot tub having a good time. Then the phone rings. She goes to get the phone, but who's calling is Mikey and he's playing his murder tape over the phone for her to listen to. It's the murder tape. And then he goes.
Speaker 2:I thought it was just the television.
Speaker 1:No man it's a murder tape because you can hear someone screaming Mikey over the phone. Mikey, it's super weird. It's the creepiest thing that happens in the movie. That's pretty weird. That's pretty funny, so he sneaks over to the boyfriend and then there's a radio right by the hot tub and immediately you're like this is this kid's favorite activity. You got to keep stuff away from the water. Do you remember what he says?
Speaker 2:No, I didn't write down any of the one-liners.
Speaker 1:Oh boy, you messed up. He says this radio isn't safe. The boyfriend says why he just goes because you could die, and then he kicks it in. It's the worst one-liner out of a movie with pretty good one-liners. It's really bad Because you could die. That doesn't make sense, bud. I don't know, I don't know this absolutely, but I don't think kicking a radio into a hot tub would kill you.
Speaker 2:I don't think anything that he does in this movie could kill you, except for the glass. Oh no, no, no, no, no, oh, no, no, no, no. I think hairdryers things with-.
Speaker 1:Not if you catch it, Dan. She caught it out of the water, okay.
Speaker 2:You are correct If you catch it you're totally safe.
Speaker 1:I will die on that hill. But she catches it outside the water.
Speaker 2:She's fine, but things with transformers in there and big heating elements. I think those's bad. That's bad. I think that's bad because I know, I know if you throw a space heater in there that I'm pretty sure that'll kill you for sure. Why would you?
Speaker 1:throw a space heater in there because you're trying to kill someone.
Speaker 2:Oh sorry, I didn't understand she comes out can't find david. David's burnt, burnt body floats up.
Speaker 1:But it's underwater for a while which is a little confusing to me because she looks twice before and there's nothing in the water. The third time his head pops up.
Speaker 2:Oh no, not just his head, the whole, his whole.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's right, you're right, and he's all charred. They did a makeup on him.
Speaker 2:It was like I was like okay, okay, that is not a Cabbage. Patch doll no, they did him. Someone had to actually do a makeup.
Speaker 1:You're like oh wow, I had someone do a makeup for that day.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Just the one day, though, that's all we could afford.
Speaker 2:Okay, David's dead Teacher calls the cop and he's going to fax over the police report In the school office. She's waiting for the facts. She hears about the dead boyfriend. It's like, oh, dear Mom. Then Mom's up in the bathroom, she looks at the curler I guess she's thinking about David and then you think she puts it together. You think she does.
Speaker 1:She didn't put it together, but then it seems like she did. It's really weird. I think that that scene is cut out of place. I think she really did figure it out in that scene and they just had to edit it backwards for some reason.
Speaker 2:I don't know, because the next time she's talking about it she has not put it together 100%. Then I think they talked to Mikey and they're like maybe it wasn't an accident, maybe he was being punished.
Speaker 1:Yep, he's telling that to the girlfriend Jess.
Speaker 2:Oh, jesse, yeah, so he's telling it to Jesse. There's a line I'm not dead, now you can. Oh, oh, and he's like I'm not dead, so now you can love just me.
Speaker 1:Now you can love just me. She's all like go home. Well, that would be an off-putting line.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to lie. Jesse puts it together too. Maybe Rachel Mikey's in love with me. There's something wrong with him.
Speaker 1:Right. So she goes to the mom and is telling the mom that she thinks something's wrong with Mikey, and the mom is like nope, which is weird because we just saw her put it all together, but that's fine.
Speaker 2:So now she's going to kill mom. So he has a hammer. Hits her hand with the hammer.
Speaker 1:Well, hold on. She walks in on him watching his movie and she goes what are you watching? Do you remember what he says? No, he says Mikey's funniest home videos. That's messed up, man. That's a good line, because that is wild. But then there's a hammer just sitting right next to him and she doesn't do diddly squat. This mom doesn't do anything. She lets him pick up the hammer, walk over and then smack him.
Speaker 2:She's sitting in a chair with her hands. Like this, he's able to walk over and then get maximum impact hammer on hand with chair belief. What are you doing? Then he takes off and he goes and he breaks one of the tanks, and then someone tries to call someone and then there's more hammer well, he has put the phone off the hook yes, he takes the phone off the hook, so no more phone for the phone off the hook, so no more phone for anyone.
Speaker 1:I don't totally remember rotary phones but if he takes it off the hook, someone else that picks up the same phone can't dial. Yeah.
Speaker 2:What happens? Is one phone off the hook takes the whole system out. Man phones were dumb, so if you had like four phones in your house. If one was off the hook, no one can call in. It'll be going beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep beep, beep, sure, yeah, nobody can call in, nobody can call out. You have to hang them all up, reset the. You have to find the phone.
Speaker 1:Find the phone, reset the system and then you can start using it again.
Speaker 2:The 90s were a wild time, friend I mean that's the problem with movies today is everybody has cell phones, everybody has the entire computer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's all.
Speaker 2:It's so everybody's connected so much back then you could like murder a whole family and no one's gonna know about it, not not right away okay sean has a gun. Wait is the mom dead now I.
Speaker 1:After a while they fight for a while, at some point she tries to send him to his room, which is really funny because he's trying to murder her. But she's like you should go to your room, hilarious and eventually he tackles her off the stairs. Oh, she goes over the stairs.
Speaker 2:Oh, they both do. The two of them go over the stairs.
Speaker 1:They both go over the stairs. Oh, the two of them go over the stairs. They both go over the stairs. She dies, and then she lands on glass and gets it in the neck Broken glass.
Speaker 2:He picks up broken glass and starts stabbing her.
Speaker 1:I think at some point yeah, yeah, yeah, that sounds right, yeah it was chaos, it was chaos.
Speaker 2:Sean's there, she's got the gun. Oh no, no, no, no, no Wait, oh no, this is the fight continues. And she said oh, this is the mom, so Sean has a gun separate.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:We have another scene where Sean has a gun. Another scene, great, at the bedroom. Oh God, mikey, no more the broken glass. Then they go over the balcony. She's got it in the thing, sean gets to the principal.
Speaker 1:You're right, yep, no, you're right.
Speaker 2:Principal get to the house they check Mikey for a pulse. He doesn't have a pulse, but you know Mikey's faked out.
Speaker 1:We know he's got that figured out.
Speaker 2:She goes back outside and is freaking out. Principal goes back in with the gun Mikey is gone. He goes back in with the gun Mikey is gone. He goes back in, says he goes over to the phone and then hits it and messes with the phone but he set down the gun and I guess Mikey has snuck over there while he set the gun down.
Speaker 1:You get to, you see it, you see, you see him sneak in, take the gun and then put it back like 30 seconds later. It's actually pretty fun, so he has emptied the bullets.
Speaker 2:And so then, this is when he kills that guy with the arrows, the bow and arrow. We've been waiting for it for so long. And then he, then Sean, finally comes back in and he kills her. Oh, he marble, slingshots her to death.
Speaker 1:I guess, because later it looks like she got it in the eye, but we don't see her die, unlike everybody else.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so basically her final real kill we don't even, basically even see, for the most, Well, we ran out of time and or money, so dad calls I'm on my way, and Mikey's like yeah, get up here, Fills the house with gas, oh God. He goes to see Jesse, creeps in, she says go home. And then he attracts her with a loud TV.
Speaker 1:And then he sneaks into her bedroom again as he does, and she kicks him out of her door into her house.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Which is silly because he can just come back in the window, but that's irrelevant. And then he turns on a TV downstairs and she immediately leaves her room to investigate the loud noises, like you do. Like you do after you just put someone in your house. It's not like nobody was there. And then a TV came on and you're like, wow, what's that? She knows Mikey's there. She threw him in the hallway and then a TV went on and then she went to investigate.
Speaker 1:Stupid Dad gets home, he's like going through the mail and he is like set everybody up in a tableau, which would be creepy if they spent a good amount of like a real amount of time on it. Because it's a creepy idea Did he kill?
Speaker 2:Jesse.
Speaker 1:No no.
Speaker 2:I don't Creepy idea. Did he kill Jesse?
Speaker 1:No, no, I don't. I think Jesse's just looking around when the dad gets home because she's screaming from her window to get the dad's attention and he's like oh, you're screaming from a window, but the window is closed, so I don't know what's happening. And then he's like she's pretty, huh, and then they go inside.
Speaker 2:Oh, so he goes inside, dad goes inside.
Speaker 1:There's a tableau set up with all the dead including the skeleton from school.
Speaker 2:Yeah, mikey blows up the house with the Molotov cocktail.
Speaker 1:A Molotov cocktail. How does he even know how to make one of those?
Speaker 2:I would have said at seven or eight I knew how to make a Molotov cocktail. Wow, really From television.
Speaker 1:I saw enough tv shows with montauk cocktails absolutely, absolutely. I guess those were probably more common back then.
Speaker 2:I don't feel like we use those very often anymore totally a television staple sure you know people always you know, because it's a. It's a, an improvised weapon that anybody can make. Right, bott Bottled gasoline, sure Rag, everyone's going to be able to make that. Yeah, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 1:Just thought it was fun.
Speaker 2:So they blow it up. So basically everybody's dead inside. So the police come and are filtering through it all and they're like, well, everyone's dead. And then there's also a child skeleton. So they think that that's a 10 year old skeleton which.
Speaker 1:How do they know that that fast that it's 10 years old. But it's fine, I don't know I'll buy it.
Speaker 2:But it would you know, they would figure out how everyone died and they would see that the skeleton was, you know, already dead, years too old.
Speaker 1:So this would never work also, how do you keep the skeleton from like Biodegrading? Is that the right word? Do they have to treat the bones with something I'm sure they treat?
Speaker 2:the bones, and I'm sure they Use lacquer to do that, but I think I mean bones are just going to sit there. I mean bones are not going to. Really I don't know much About it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess because you dig them up. I guess that was stupid.
Speaker 2:We talked about a dinosaur Skull earlier well, no, dinosaur skull is not a skull right dinosaur all that dinosaur stuff is replacement, right. What happens is what? Yeah, it's not skull, let's not, it's not yeah have I been lied to my entire life.
Speaker 1:Right now, dan, okay, what?
Speaker 2:happens is I'm pretty sure, yeah, I'm pretty sure of this, right? Yeah, when it goes underground, it sits there for a long time and then, when it finally degrades, other stuff goes in there and fills up the space. So it's not the same stuff, what? Pretty sure of that, what?
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, wow, I did not know that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so basically it's a rock. Huh, okay, I think that's the case, unless I'm insane.
Speaker 1:I believe you. I'm not arguing with you, dan, just feel a little let down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like a trilobite. Think about a trilobite. You know what a trilobite. Think about a trilobite, you know what a trilobite is.
Speaker 1:I don't know how to think about that, because I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2:Well, think about like a shrimp, right? If a shrimp died and ended up there and all this stuff went on top of it, a shrimp is not hard like a bone, right? But the stuff inside the shrimp lives on because it gets replaced by something. Yeah, okay, I think that's how it works. I'll have to read up on that biology.
Speaker 2:So basically, they think everyone is dead, jesse's like ah and then mikey just like disappears out route 240 and they pick him up and they they're all like who's this random kid, we'll give him to another couple right? Yep, well, he has amnesia dan so he doesn't remember where he comes from he's a master of playing the system, so he's gonna, he's gonna be able to work.
Speaker 1:I mean the kid is smart, I'll, I'm gonna give him that, so I just mikey too the 90s were a wide up.
Speaker 2:Mikey too. We can do it anytime you want I can't believe we never got one. I can't believe, I can't imagine this movie made any money, except maybe a a home video.
Speaker 1:I didn't look that up, that's true. I wonder if I can.
Speaker 2:This movie's weird.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this movie's weird. I don't think that it's as boring as you thought it was. I was entertained pretty thoroughly.
Speaker 2:I mean, there's so much craziness in it, but you needed him to kill a couple other people in the middle of the movie.
Speaker 1:I agree. I agree 100%. Yeah, I'm not going to argue with that logic, or just more flirtation with the neighbor. You know I'm good either one.
Speaker 2:You just want him getting a little more action. That's what you're saying, yeah.
Speaker 1:This kid deserves it. All right, he's working hard.
Speaker 2:You're still into the whatchamacallit, the kid that got all the money, and then romance duff. Come back in two years, then I'll be ready to be your girlfriend, no stop.
Speaker 1:Done and done, lady, I'm in.
Speaker 2:Why do they make these movies?
Speaker 1:They give Tony some weird hope that some 19-year-old girl is going to be in love with his 8-year-old ass. Just set me up for a lifetime of disappointment.
Speaker 2:Brutal, too funny. So that's Mikey. He's a murderer. That is Mikey he kills three people at the beginning and then by the end he's killed another four or five people. What'd he kill? Yeah, what'd he kill.
Speaker 1:And there's a lot of time in between.
Speaker 2:So he killed the mom, the dad, the teacher, the principal.
Speaker 1:David and then and David and three in the beginning. So eight, that's a pretty high body count so kind of eight.
Speaker 2:Good for good for him. Crazy world we live in.
Speaker 1:We don't really live in that world damn it's all good.
Speaker 2:Uh no, we don't. Sadly we don't. So that's mikey. Happy halloween. It's not halloween yet. Uh no, we're just beginning now. Anything else to say about this movie to me?
Speaker 1:uh, no, I'll. I'll say what I need to say in our next segment.
Speaker 2:Now we talk about things we liked this week and I think I'm going first because I get to pick the movie. I watched a documentary about the band Die Antwoord, which is this crazy sort of rap duo from South Africa, and such a good document. You know, when people make good documentaries, you have me from beginning to end. They're this weird. They do this sort of not hyper-violent, but very, and then the guy sings like that.
Speaker 2:And then the woman's like I am singing like an angel, and so it's. You know, it's a really interesting contrast. And just like they like went from nothing to being a viral sensation, to moving to Hollywood, and just like all that comes with that kind of situation, you're just like Nothing good when you come from nowhere to the top it's. That's always going to be an interesting ride.
Speaker 1:And then to see yeah, it's real culture shock.
Speaker 2:Yes, they went through a lot, but being tireless workers and that's the dude just was they tirelessly worked.
Speaker 1:But the interesting. Is this like a modern thing? Yeah, or is this? When are they? Yeah, this was the 2000s.
Speaker 2:They rose up in the 2000s, so I don't even remember where I watched it. It's called zef, I think, and zef is like this weird sort of south african culture thing where the people are kind of the lower class but they have like these crazy hairdos and stuff and just really interesting leverage of like their own culture and bringing that out of the world and everybody being like what the hell is going on here? What?
Speaker 1:are we doing here?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's interesting to see creative people's incredible hard work. Get them somewhere and then they got too far.
Speaker 1:I mean that's going to happen. Right, You're going to fly too close to the sun.
Speaker 2:And we also watched the new Salem's Lot movie.
Speaker 1:Hey, we watched that, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:It was not good. Now, shannon hated the woman actor. She was like she thought she was just the worst. The little kid that survived. I'm like why isn't this movie just about him? He was so good For sure. That kid every time he was on you were like this is a movie. I want to see Anyone else on the screen. You're like this is not a movie I want to see, I'm out.
Speaker 1:Yeah. He was so good, the main guy is Pullman's son right. Is that who he is? Pullman's son right, Is that who he is? Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2:He plays. Century in the Thunderbolts movie.
Speaker 1:He's also in Top Gun, maverick, which is great, and he's wonderful in it. Okay, good.
Speaker 2:Because I don't know if you've seen the Thunderbolts trailer, but no, oh my God, I cannot wait for that movie. That movie's going to be the what's Florence Pugh, and she's like just about the best actress we have in the world.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's all right. What? What movie did we do with her again, darling? Oh yeah she was darling she was the her and uh, chris pine, chris pine. They were like the only bright spot in that horrible.
Speaker 2:Just uh, just almost finished a complete rewatch of dungeons of dragons oh, dude, I love that movie so much it's on. Amazon now and I believe it is their number one movie.
Speaker 1:It's crushing on streaming right now.
Speaker 2:So the hope is somebody grows a brain.
Speaker 1:I know what the hope is, but it's too late.
Speaker 2:It's never too late. We missed it, we blew it, it's never too late.
Speaker 1:I hope so. I would love more of that world. It's never too late. It's never too late. We missed it, we blew it. It's never too late. I hope so. I would love more of that world. It's so good.
Speaker 2:Well, the thing about it is it doesn't even have to be those same exact characters, right? Although I would love it if it was yeah, or some of them, or whatever. Yeah for sure. You figure out how to make that into a universe, because that's a universe that can go on forever and it's the truth of the matter, is it's you could just do discrete adventures. This thing ended up, you know there's a whole town, a whole city involved, but that's you know all the superhero movies have to be like the entire planet will die, but we just want discrete adventures.
Speaker 2:All the little you know, the fucking mind fayers walking by them, not the mind flayers, the intellect devourers, and he's all like.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's offended.
Speaker 2:Really. You blowing us up that way? Well, that's hurtful yeah. And the other thing I found in the second rewatch of it. I mean I'm sure you've watched it a bunch of times is I have they feel watch of it? I mean I'm sure you've watched it a bunch of times is I have they feel like us playing characters a little bit?
Speaker 2:it just feels like a group of people playing dnd a little bit yeah because they it's brilliant they have enough colloquialisms in there, but they also have like stuff the way we talk and you're like like I think that's. You know you don't really want to feel like the world is real. You want to feel like there's that flexibility of that world and that makes it so much so you don't like when they escape from the prison you don't go. Well, they would just get caught again because they're only a mile or two away. No, they get away because you want the characters to get away.
Speaker 1:Amen to that. Yeah, it's a perfect film.
Speaker 2:It's pretty damn good, what do you got to say, tony? What do you got for us? I have like 12 things for us you got like nothing.
Speaker 1:No, no, I mean I tipped the bin earlier, but I'm going to talk about the Good Son a little bit. But I'm going to talk about the good son a little bit, okay, so it's Macaulay Culkin, elijah Wood. It's also about a murderous child, but what makes it smarter is, for the most part, he's murdering other children.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:Jesus Christ. That sounds worse than what I mean, oh my God. So he murders his little brother, and then he murders a dog, and then he graduates to trying to murder his mother eventually, sort of. So he's not like going up against adults that could kill him immediately. So, there's a real sense of foreboding in the movie.
Speaker 2:You agree with the learning curve of his menace?
Speaker 1:I do, yeah, yeah. Also, again, the acting in the good son is out of this part, like they crush it as opposed to mikey, which is horrendous across the board. Uh, so it's like it's like a real version of mikey, you know what I mean, like a a real world scenario. But what I want to talk about real quick naomi and I are very upset is the critics score for Mikey is 20 percent, the good son is 25 percent, and then the audience score for Mikey is 45. Good son is 54. That's too close. These two movies are not only five to 10 percent different, they are a world apart, and there is something wrong with the system we are using to measure these things, because these movies should not even be in the same conversation.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm going to say something that I don't know anything. I mean, I've never seen this other movie that you're talking about.
Speaker 1:Sure.
Speaker 2:Great, he kills a kid like Mikey he kills. He kills his sister. But it's so dopey, you know, like you say, it's a cabbage patch doll in the thing. I don't watch that and feel the dreaded. You know the concept of one kid killing another kid is that's harsh.
Speaker 1:That's harsh stuff. It's dark, I'm not going to lie. The movie is dark, the Good Son is dark and Mikey is not dark.
Speaker 2:And I bet you that, so I understand what you're saying. I bet you both critics. Critics are like you shouldn't be showing a kid killing another kid.
Speaker 1:And a dog Like they do some messed up stuff that you shouldn't do. Do you have anything else that you're going to talk about? I was just going to a follow-up. Last episode I said we watched a bunch of pilots and I'd let you know if we continued watching any of them, and I'm sure everyone's curious, but the Nobody Wants this. The rom-com with Adam Brody we watched that cover to cover and it is delightful.
Speaker 2:Now, is that the number one thing on Netflix? It sure is.
Speaker 1:They are crushing it. It just got renewed for a second season because it's doing so well. Very exciting stuff.
Speaker 2:You know, everybody complains about streaming, puts stuff out there and then cancels it before anyone gives a crap about it. It's like that chaos show which I liked and I I really enjoyed. Yeah, I am not surprised that it's not getting a second season. It's so freaking weird. And you know, as opposed to what was it? Severance, that one? You're like that was so good, it got the the buzz and everybody talked about it for all the right reasons and I'm like that's gonna get another season and and that's going to get another season.
Speaker 1:And that's why I like streaming, because I understand why people are upset, because if you like the weird things that you find and they get canceled, you're upset because you're like I wanted more. But the thing is they get to try more stuff. Like there is some weird stuff out there that we have tried and some of it lands. If it lands, great, great, we'll keep going with it. If it doesn't land, it's like, yeah, we tried, what a fun time and I I appreciate getting the one season of a show like chaos, like I it was, it was entertaining, right, like it was weird. I I don't really know if I would give it another season, you know, but I appreciate that I got to see if it.
Speaker 2:If it and that's the whole thing is if it magically took off, I'd be like, okay, you know it did, but it's such a sort of generally weird thing, it's not surprising that it didn't take off and capture the zeitgeist of the world that you know. It could you know, and that's why, yeah, like you say, you take shots with shows like that, but you also have to. The people that love them have to understand it's a shot, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That was not a cheap show to make For sure, not no. So you had to have strong returns in order to keep that going.
Speaker 2:It's like how much does it cost to make another Love Island? You know those things are just going to keep churning out until Tony gives up on them. They better.
Speaker 1:Dan, which is probably better. I hope not. I would like to keep watching for a long time to come.
Speaker 2:Oh, that was the one other thing I wanted to say is I always say you never hurt animals, in comedy and also in drama. It's very dangerous. Yes, comedy and also in drama, it's very dangerous. Yes, In the last Saturday night live with Nate Bargazy. He has one about a golf tournament. Okay, that you know, is the the exception that proves the rule.
Speaker 1:Okay. So you can do let's all, let's all go watch that.
Speaker 2:Sometimes you can do terrible things and they can be funny.
Speaker 1:Terrible things, lawrence. You've done terrible things and they can be funny. Terrible things, lawrence, you've done terrible things. Yeah, haven't been able to quote the Wolfman in a long time. Thanks, dan.
Speaker 2:Now we're going to pick a movie for next week. I get to pick and I'm picking a spooky one. This one's straight out of the world of the creepypastas. Do you know about creepypastas? Like pasta, creepypastas Do you know about creepypastas Like pasta, creepypastas Like spaghetti.
Speaker 1:Do you know what creepypastas are? No, I have no idea.
Speaker 2:Creepypastas are the online horror stories, so they're horror stories that sort of were generated online and then sort of so like a Slenderman, that sort of thing. On the nose. That's the movie we're doing. We're doing slender man, uh, which is kind of the slender man I think might be the king of the creepypastas, but it yeah, it's definitely like it.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's the only one that I thought of right off the bat, so, all right, perfect, never seen it was a show called channel zero which was on some weird station and some of the best creepy, horror, science fiction stuff that's ever been on television. Another show that got four seasons, but I think it had, you know, like season one was two seasons and then season two was two, you know, so it's like four. It's a total of four stories, all absolutely worth watching, all based on creepypastas and all really good stuff.
Speaker 1:I've never heard this term, Dan. I'm so excited I've learned a new term.
Speaker 2:I found it from that Channel Zero show, oh, okay. And then when you look at it it's a whole huge internet thing.
Speaker 1:I think it's a dead thing now.
Speaker 2:I don't think it still exists. But you know the point that Slender man was doing his thing, which would have been in the we're at that.
Speaker 1:Was that probably 10 years ago? Sure, yeah, I mean the movie um.
Speaker 2:It's from 2018, so they were probably too late so yeah, I think slender man, when they finally got around to making movies too late. But we're gonna. Yeah and it's. You know, a lot of kid driven things and a lot of you and a lot of weird urban myths sort of things, when the internet was sort of churning that stuff before. It now has become just a 8% critic score Dan Nicely done.
Speaker 2:You're welcome, so we're going to get some creepypasta going. If you like what you see, give us a thumbs up, give us a comment or even a subscription. Because for every one of those subscriptions, give us a comment or even a subscription.
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Speaker 2:We love you and we talked about ourselves a lot this time.
Speaker 1:So you have a little deeper insight into Tony's fear of fire, fear of the ocean, but he still likes pools. I love pools, man. I will swim in a pool every day.
Speaker 2:Until you put jellyfish in the pool.
Speaker 1:If you put a jellyfish in the pool, I'm going to be out. Everyone would be out. Jellyfish are so dangerous. They sting without reason. That is true, Alright we'll see you next week. Goodbye, everybody.