Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
Hate Watching Mikey
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Could a child really be a serial killer? In this spine-tingling episode, we grapple with that chilling question as we unravel the twisted tale of "Mikey," a 1992 thriller that sends shivers down our spines. We kick things off with a laugh over a webcam mishap and a laughable scheduling mix-up that mistakenly featured a non-horror movie during Halloween. Determined to keep the thrills alive, we extend our horror theme into November, dissecting Mikey's unsettling antics and comparing them with other notorious bad-seed flicks like "The Good Son."
Nostalgia takes center stage as we wander through our pasts, reminiscing about the '90s horror films that packed more fun than fright. Movies like "I Know What You Did Last Summer" offered campy thrills, but today's darker horrors, like "Talk to Me," leave us more disturbed than entertained. We share our love for films that master the blend of scares and laughs, praising hidden gems like "Barbarian" and "The Babysitter" that deliver both chills and chuckles. Along the way, we share childhood memories of Goosebumps books and the quirky reward systems that made school days a little more bizarre.
Our conversation takes a thrilling turn as we explore fears of water and heights, spurred by personal stories of near-drowning and daring rescues. We challenge the ethics of real versus artificial skeletons, delve into the absurdities of childhood games, and recount a suspenseful tale of mouth-to-mouth resuscitation gone awry. To wrap things up, we muse on Creepypasta's influence in horror films, celebrating the potential for fresh and unique storytelling in niche content. Join us for a wild ride through nostalgia, fear, and the darker side of childhood memories.
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Horror Movie Discussion
Speaker 1Forgot my camera at work, so I'm on a webcam.
Speaker 2Oh, wow.
Speaker 1So it probably looks super different to you. You didn't notice.
Speaker 2I mean, I notice now that you say that it looks terrible.
Speaker 1Yeah, everything's in focus. It's hyper-saturated. I don't know how to change any of that.
Speaker 2Oh, you want things out of focus. You want that.
Speaker 1Yeah, you like what's called depth of field, right? So you like a soft blur in the back, sharp in the eyes.
Speaker 2Put like a woman's nylon over the lens.
Speaker 1Just make it a little misty yourself. Hey watching with Dan and Tony. Hey watching with Dan and Tony.
Speaker 2It's like watching yeah, welcome to hey Watching with Dan and Tony. I'm Dan, I'm Tony. On this show we watch a movie. It's the Halloween month. We of course missed one week of Halloween month or something. I think we screwed it up.
Speaker 1I screwed it up. So let's set the record straight On air. Dan, you asked me what the schedule was and I was totally off by a whole week. So we did one week in October. That was not a horror movie and I feel terrible about it and I thought that maybe you weren't going to notice, to be honest with you, so I didn't bring it back up, but that was like three weeks ago.
Speaker 2Now to us, yeah, so we're going to have to do horror November also, so yeah, it'll be fine.
Speaker 1It's going to be good. We'll make it up to you.
Speaker 2Make it up to you. So each week we're watching a movie that might be described in some fashion as a horror movie or scary movie, it's got the classification on your internet site.
Speaker 1Whatever it is, be it Voodoo, Hulu, it'll be in the horror genre.
Speaker 2And the thing I've found is when we do horror movies or scary movies.
Speaker 1They typically aren't horrific or scary. I mean, yeah, the ones we do on here, usually they're just very funny.
Speaker 2Like Mikey. So, Tony, yes, why don't you talk a little something about the movie you picked?
Speaker 1I'm out of practice. We skipped a week and now I'm just, I'm a little loosey goosey, but we. This was a fan suggestion. I shouldn't call Todd a fan, I should call him a friend, a friend suggestion, friend of the show From Todd. This movie is wild. It's called Mikey and it's about, I guess, a child serial killer.
Speaker 2The classification is typically a bad seed and this is a terrible child Like Damon.
Speaker 1Damon. Yeah, isn't Damon from the Omen?
Speaker 2I mean Damien, damien, yeah, yeah, damon is from the Omen, is that what you mean?
Speaker 1Damien, damien, yeah yeah, damon is from the Vampire Diaries, oh yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean Damien kind of a bad. Yeah, actually he was a bad seed. There's a movie called the Bad Seed. There's a bunch of them.
Speaker 1Oh wow On the nose. We watched another one, dan called the Good Son, with Macaulay Culkin and Elijah Wood, which I'll talk about at some point, and one of them was a terrible, terrible person, right? Macaulay Culkin, and he is creepy, creepy.
Speaker 2That's probably where he needed to be right. You have your whole. Tony theory of Macaulay Culkin that he's broken as a child.
Speaker 1Well it's interesting because you know, mikey, whoever this kid is not creepy, right?
Speaker 2Not creepy in the slightest. This kid is menace level zero.
Speaker 1Right, but Macaulay Culkin with his dead eyes and his slightly weird shaped face like he is creepy, the whole movie. You're like there's something wrong with this kid. We got to get rid of him. It's just interesting to see like how much the child makes a difference in a movie like this.
Speaker 2This will be from 1992, hour and 27 minutes. Yeah, they have the kid. Who's somebody right? Brian Bonesaw.
Speaker 1Yeah, I'm sure he worked a bunch back in the day.
Speaker 2He did all sorts of things. Not a scary kid, they don't have him place. I mean sure he worked a bunch back in the day, you know he did all sorts of things. Not a scary kid they don't have in place. I mean he kills people a bit but he doesn't. You know, you never like what the hell is this kid's problem? You're always like, oh, here's a kid, and then he just decides to kill people when he's like mildly angry.
Speaker 1He says a joke when he gets upset and then kill somebody, which I appreciate. I like it, but it's just. You know, it's not creepy, it doesn't give me the feeling of dread.
Evolution of Fun Horror Movies
Speaker 2Now, that's the thing that's going to be. My question is you always talk about I like horror movies because I like how they do the kills, and this movie certainly. The kills are entertaining, they're funny. But I mean, are most horror movies where you just have funny kills and it's not scary, it's just like oh.
Speaker 1I mean, it depends, it totally depends. 90s movies, the popular ones, yes, is very much like they're not scary, like you're not scared. There's some jump scares, sure, because you know that was like they're not scary, like you're not scared. There's some jump scares because you know that's that was like a big thing, is like you jump scare. But the movie itself isn't really scary. Sure, it's fun, like we're having a good time watching people be scared and that's exciting. Like I know, what you did last summer is not a scary movie by, I would say, any means, but super fun and I love it.
Speaker 1Not, everybody likes it. When you look at horror movies today, they're all messed up, like we've gone into a place where it's like we we're, we're going darker in the mind, so they're creepy, but I don't find them relatively fun. So I actually I enjoy horror movies less now than I did, like a long time ago. There's some fun ones still that happen, you know, now. And I enjoy, like the new scream movies because they still have, like that, the fun poppiness to them, but they're a little bit edgier than they used to be. So it's, you know, we're going through a transformation, I think, in horror now.
Speaker 2Did you watch that movie, barbarianbarian?
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, Justin Long, Sure, that movie was fucked up.
Speaker 2Now you see that movie was both scary and creepy and kind of fun. I thought it was fun.
Speaker 1Exactly, I thought it had everything for me. That's the balance that I like. Okay, good, yeah, but the movie Talk to Me. Did we ever?
Speaker 2talk about that.
Speaker 1That was the spooky hand one, yeah, the spooky hand. Like zero fun in that movie. It's a well-made movie and it's scarring emotionally and mentally. Don't care for it. Like I watched it one time I was like, wow, that's a well-made film. I will never watch that movie again in my entire life because I had zero fun and I like to have a good time so you don't, you don't like a disturbing horror movie that just wants to disturb you and unsettle you and make you walk into the theater unhappy life.
Speaker 1Does that all on its own, dan. I don't need a movie to do that, but you know a movie that I do enjoy Disturbia. You remember that movie? Shia LaBeouf is that like?
Speaker 2where he's looking out the window.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's like it's a rear window type of movie I think I saw it Super fun, super fun. Kind of silly, kind of dark, great. That's an every year movie for us.
Speaker 2I just remember it being kind of stupid. That's what I thought.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's not, it doesn't make sense, not all the way through Got it, but I don't think they care. You know what I mean. Like we're having a good time, we bend the rules a little bit to make things more exciting, and I allow it.
Speaker 2Yeah, because I like that one with the super hot babysitter. Was that called the Babysitter?
Speaker 1It was called the Babysitter and that movie's a 10 out of 10. That movie was great. It was called the Babysitter and that movie's a 10 out of 10.
Speaker 2That movie was great. You're like okay, I love it, it's fun, but she's psycho, so it's sort of scary, but the kid is effective and people get killed.
Speaker 1And you're like, oh, that's like a perfect example of a movie that I still enjoy that I feel like could have been made in the earlier 2000s.
Speaker 2You know what I mean, got it.
Speaker 1The vibe of it and I love it. And Robbie Amell runs around with a shirt off making jokes the whole time as he kills. It's great. It's a great movie. And so what about Mikey? I loved Mikey. We had an absolute blast with Mikey. It is hilarious. That's pretty much it. It's very fun, we had a great time. And then so we watched that and the good son back to back. Good son not fun, right? This movie is. It's twisted, it's, it's, I mean, it's not not fun, but it's not the same kind of movie. So it was fun to get, uh, both perspectives, but Mikey's great. I would watch Mikey again.
Speaker 2I found it just abysmally boring, just I found it just abysmally boring, Just like oh, my God.
Speaker 1You didn't like his one-liners.
Speaker 2Well the thing you want to realize about Mikey is you got five minutes of mayhem at the beginning.
Speaker 1Then you got about an hour and ten minutes of nothing.
Speaker 2The in-between.
Speaker 1Then you got ten minutes at the end where you're like okay, I mean, the pacing of this movie is crazy, damn, because they there's. I feel like it's very rare that in a horror movie, you come out the gate and you know exactly who the killer is, you know what, like what their plan is, and then you're just like and now we're gonna go do it a second time, nothing changes, it's the exact like. The first eight minutes of this movie is the exact same story as the next hour and a half of this movie, and that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2Yeah, so I love it. I just was like, oh my God, there's just like more. You know, they would just have like weird scenes that like didn't add up to anything, you know they don't add up, but there's some funny stuff in them, dan.
Speaker 1I feel like you missed it.
Speaker 2No, I saw the whole movie. I didn't miss anything.
Speaker 1I'm not saying you didn't see the movie. I think that you were too upset to fully enjoy the craziness that ensues in the next one hour of this movie. That makes literally zero sense.
Speaker 2Upset. You'd have to have me engaged to make me upset. The key word is bored, just like oh, okay, well, okay, they know that he's a psychopath and they're sort of trying to prove it and they're like he's a psychopath. Not that hard, he's a psychopath and they're like and why do you think he's a psychopath? I just think he's a psychopath.
Speaker 1I just get the feeling. I just feel it. You know he gives me that vibe and also I mean, how can you not love a movie where a nine-year-old kid is able to just out-strength all of the adults? He's nine. This movie should be eight seconds long. He should. At most he should murder one person and then the next person just hits him in the face and he's down. That's it. That should be the end of the movie. But I love that. It's not. You love that it's not.
Speaker 2So we start with. Here's Mikey with his adopted sister. So he's with a new family, so he's with a yeah, his first.
Speaker 1yeah, so he's with a new family. So he's with a yeah, his first.
Speaker 2yeah, so he's with another family. I'm not sure why you would adopt a kid that's older than a kid you just had, because the daughter's younger.
Speaker 1Are you sure that they adopt him, Dan? Because here's the thing-.
Speaker 2He just wandered into the house and stayed Listen.
Speaker 1The movie later talks about how they don't know where he came from and there's no adoption papers from the first adoption and they're all like I didn't know he was adopted. He hasn't said, but there should be a paper trail of adoption. It sounds like they just took the kid in from the street. I don't know.
Speaker 2Might have been one of those. What was her? Jessica Smart. You know where. They just grabbed him and kept him.
Speaker 1Oh my, Is this a real life scenario? I think that's her name.
Speaker 2Oh man, oh no, that one's, that thing's crazy. They stole this girl and then, you know like, started raising her and they, like, they finally found them. You know like, five years later, six years later, and they're just like they're walking on the street and they're like, oh no, she doesn't talk.
Speaker 1I think, oh man, that's one of those crazy stories, and this is exactly why I like fun horror movies. Real life is so much darker than I want my horror movies to be.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, like that other one a couple of years ago where the guy had like women trapped in the building and then one of them finally gets out and runs to the next door neighbors and they're all like, wait, you that building. And then there's like two other girls in there. This guy's been keeping in there. How many people do it? I'm you're always amazed, how do they do it? You know we can. We can barely, barely keep the tires on the car. You know they're like keeping multiple people tied locked up and I can barely feed myself three times a day.
Speaker 1Okay, I don't know how I'm keeping people prisoner for years at a time. How do you do that?
Speaker 2So boom, he's sitting there. He's burning stuff in the middle of the room. Little girl, is sitting there next to him. It looks like he's burning letters.
Speaker 1So I was like oh, interesting.
Speaker 2We're going to find out why he's burning these letters.
Speaker 1No, it was just the safest thing to burn on set that day.
Speaker 2The mom, stepmom, mom of the house busts in You're trying to kill us, you're doing this again. You're like wait again. So I'm like this is a lot of backloading and backstory that we're never going to find out about he's clearly not trying to kill them, though, right like he's burning the papers in a relatively safe receptacle.
Speaker 1It's containing the flame, I don't know, but I'm a little confused.
Speaker 2I think he's just burning it on the floor.
Speaker 1I thought it was on the floor. I thought it was in like a paper tray, but maybe you're right.
Speaker 2I thought it was just on the middle of the floor. Um, the other little girl is sitting there and you're feeling like she's complicit you don't feel like she does not look like she's there against her, will you know? It seems like she's part of the whole thing and you're like, oh, okay yeah, and this is exactly why I believe she needed to die.
Speaker 1I'm on mikey's side, okay, because in the next scene the mom is like, hey, why'd you do that? Mikey's like she told me to. And then the sister clearly is lying when she tells the mom she didn't have anything to do with it. Because, I agree with you, dan, she looks like she's into it in the first scene. I think that she's totally bad as well. Then, as she lies to the mom, mikey gets hit in the face and I was like, yeah, he's got to kill the sister, he's got to get rid of her.
Speaker 2Now, did you know, kids, that were fire bugs when you were a kid?
Speaker 1Thank goodness I did not. I was afraid of fire. I did not enjoy fire whatsoever. You were afraid of fire. Fire's hot man, it's so hot, I don't like it. That Fire, fire's hot man, it's so hot, I don't like it. That shouldn't be that weird. Hold on a second.
Speaker 2What are you even afraid of fire?
Speaker 1To this day, Dan, when we do bonfires everyone has. We do these beach bonfires because we're pampered, spoiled brats, but we do beach bonfires in Huntington Beach. If you haven't done it, I would recommend it. Super fun, Not cheap, but they set up chairs in a circle right. That are all equal around the fire.
Speaker 2The first thing I do is I pull my chair back five feet, hold on. You pay people to set this up for you.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, because what Am I going to build my own fire? Come on, I don't know how to do that. Dan, I you get wood and cares. I'm not a woodsman. I don't know how to build a fire. I know how to put gasoline on a fire.
Speaker 2You should never put gasoline on a fire. This is why I'm not allowed to do it, dan, so you pull your chair back five feet.
Speaker 1At least, at least five feet, because what if the wind changes? What if the wind changes? All of a sudden, the fire is in my face. I need separation, and yeah, then you don't. All of a sudden, the fire's in my face. I need separation, and yeah, then you don't get the warmth of the fire. But is that really necessary? I don't think so.
Speaker 2I don't like fire, so you didn't know any firebugs. That's what you're saying.
Speaker 1Sorry, yeah, no, I did not know any firebugs. You were one, weren't you?
Speaker 2Oh no, Well, oh no Well, a little. No, I mean, I wasn't.
Speaker 1I burned three, four houses tops, I don't know.
Speaker 2I remember one of my childhood friends. One of my junior high friends talked about some guy they knew and he always was getting caught making fires and he'd go to the park and do fires. This kid was just like he was into it.
Speaker 1Did you ever follow up? No, I would love to know where he is now. No, jail, he's in jail, dan. I'll just tell you that right now.
Speaker 2I think they're out there. I think the Firebug kids are out there, I think they're out there, of course they are.
Speaker 1There's a lot of crazy people, so I shouldn't say crazy you know so he's.
Speaker 2So mikey steals the sister beth doll and then goes out on the uh, puts it, throws he threw it in the pool, but he, he eventually throws it in the pool.
Fear of Water and Heights
Speaker 1Let me set this scene because this feels like the most dangerous thing they do in the whole movie. There's they have some weird design in their backyard, I would say, where there's like water patches and then like planks that go between them of concrete. So it's like water patches and then like planks that go between them of concrete. So it's like a weird design and these kids are like sprinting full, full bore through these. I was like I can't even believe they did this on set. This is not safe. These kids could slip easily and crack their face on the concrete.
Speaker 2Anyhow, they make it through the 90s were a crazy time, so you're like you. So you're like you're like. Too much horse play, is that?
Speaker 1what you're doing Way too much horse play. And they were being told to do it. That's in real life. They were like, yeah, just run through these cobwebs of concrete, You're probably not going to slip and die. I didn't feel like it was very safe. Are you afraid of water too?
Speaker 2I'm water, it's the antithesis of fire. I love water, just checking.
Speaker 1I don't like the ocean, though have we talked about that? Afraid of the ocean, won't go in it. Will you stand in the ocean? We'll not touch the ocean water. No, thank you. What's wrong with the ocean? First of all, everything. There are creatures in there that we've probably never even seen okay, you don't know what's lurking in the dark but also jellyfish Hate jellyfish.
Speaker 1My mom got sunk by a jellyfish once in Cocoa Beach, I don't know somewhere, and I was like, well, that's no good. And then I was taking pictures of my brother surfing. Have I told you this? No, I was taking pictures. I was in the ocean. This was the last time I was ever in the ocean. I was taking pictures, taking pictures, a wave came, hit me. I tumbled, tore my meniscus, couldn't get out of the water. My brother had a fireman carry me out of the water. Look at this body, dan. My brother. Not like me, he's not as big as me. I can't believe. This was like the mother lifting a car. But he picks me up, fireman, carries me, throws me on the beach, had to have surgery. Never been in the ocean since. That was like 10 years ago. 10 years ago, so not very Probably more, because I think it was actually before I moved out here. Oh, okay, so it was probably more like 12, 15.
Speaker 2Oh so this is a late in life. Real fear will not go into the ocean, never again. When I was a kid, we were at this pool party, and I guess I didn't know how to swim, that's a bad start. You shouldn't be at a pool, Dan. I was in the pool and I think I almost drowned.
Speaker 1You don't know how to swim. Of course, you almost drowned. Who is watching you, dan? I don't know. This is what I'm talking about. We parents back then were loosey goosey.
Speaker 2But you know, I'm not afraid of water.
Speaker 1Okay, mr Tough Guy, I'm going to throw you in the deep end. See how that goes. I'm a little afraid of heights now, though. Afraid of heights Understandable. I'm afraid of gravity, not afraid of heights necessarily. Because there's people that, like, they step to the edge of a cliff and they look down and they're like, oh, I'm scared. I'm not scared of that, but like bungee jumping, climbing a rope, I'm not going to do any of that, because at some point it's going to snap, because I'm 300 pounds and I'm going to fall faster than everybody else. And I understand what people say, that like, oh, everything falls at the same rate, or whatever the feather thing is. It's bullshit. I'm going to fall faster and I'm going to explode on the concrete.
Speaker 2Well, I mean a feather goes slower because it has a bunch of wind resistance and all that right.
Speaker 1But it was like isn't there this thing that's like what falls faster, a pound of feathers or a pound of something else, something like that.
Speaker 2The point is well, you have terminal velocity right, so if you throw a penny off the Empire State Building, it doesn't kill somebody.
Speaker 1I regret this decision immediately Continue.
Speaker 2It doesn't kill somebody when it gets to the ground so it doesn't just keep going faster. There's like a maximum velocity. It might hurt a little bit, but it doesn't keep going. It doesn't keep increasing in volume.
Speaker 1But yeah, yeah, I got it.
Speaker 2Yeah a pound of this and a pound of that are going to fall.
Speaker 1Same. Well, I'm going to fall faster because I'm more pounds than everybody else.
Speaker 2But you'll reach maximum velocity, you'll still get killed.
Speaker 1And kill anyone else below me.
Speaker 2I'm not a penny, so Mikey lures her out on the diving board, then bounces it until she falls in, then stands there and watches her drown while mom is upstairs with the bubble bath. Yep, and I'm like, oh, the mom's naked. And I'm like, ah, then later we have like a little bit of nudity. And you're just like, yeah, we do. You're just like, if you're not going to, I don't understand.
Speaker 1Are you upset because they did it for one bath scene and not the other?
Speaker 2And like the, other girl, the young girl you're like we don't see her nude either, it's like the older sister. Yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's just. It's just the new mom.
Speaker 2I don't, I don't get it, but you know so he goes up there, mom's in the bath and then she's like she's on the phone and she does a whole. Adopting you was a mistake. He had cut off the phone, so again are you against her being murdered?
Speaker 1Because I'm kind of not. I'm like, yeah, she's awful, let's kill her.
Speaker 2I mean, you know, I don't think she should be killed, but she certainly.
Speaker 1Sure, I understand in real life, yeah, but in a horror movie. These are the things that make it okay for these characters to die, like in horror movies. We like to start by letting you know that the people that die first are bad. Sure, so you don't care as much, and then later we'll care about the main characters, because they're better people.
Speaker 2So now, with the sleepaway camps and all the Halloweens and all those stupid movies, oh my, god.
Speaker 1First of all, I love that Sleepaway Camp was the first one you thought of.
Speaker 2Well, that's their camp. The camp ones.
Speaker 1That movie's so crazy.
Speaker 2And they are.
Speaker 1Do you know Sleepaway Camp? I've heard of it.
Speaker 2Do you know how it ends? Probably with all the people getting killed, except the one hot girl, oh my God, no, dan, you Watch the original Sleepaway Camp the end.
Speaker 1you're going to hate it. You're going to. It's a terrible movie. It's terribly made. It's very boring. The end twist is unbelievable.
Speaker 2Maybe I will.
Speaker 1Please do. I can't tell you what it is because I'll ruin it. That's the only good part of the movie. Anyway, continue. I'm sorry. Setting me up by saying it's very boring is the exact wrong way to entice me to watch something. But I want you to know I don't want you to go into it thinking that I think it's great. You know what I mean. I'm trying to set your expectation of my taste because the ending makes everything worth it. Okay, it's so good, it's so funny, but it's not a great movie.
Speaker 2So, mikey, but what was your question Plugs in. I don't know what my question was. Plugs in Plugs in the hair dryer, throws it in the bath, kills the mom.
Speaker 1Hold on, though, Tim.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1He throws the hair dryer. She catches it. How does she catch it? It doesn't go in the water. She catches it perfectly fine above her head, it's totally dry and yet somehow it starts electrocuting as she's holding it. That's not how any of that works.
Speaker 2I can attest to this. That is not how it works.
Speaker 1Dan's blow-drying his hair in the bath all the time. It's fine, that's very true.
Speaker 2Boom, he sets out some big ball bearings. Don't know where he got those. Dad comes home, sees the dead body, slips on one of the balls.
Speaker 1Wait, wait, wait, Dan. They show the daughter floating in the pool. That's funny. A million to one. That's a Cabbage Patch doll. It looks so much like a Cabbage Patch we paused it. It is a Cabbage Patch doll floating in the pool. 10 out of 10. It's glorious.
Speaker 2That's the kind of special effects you got to have in a movie like this so funny. It's been 1999 on. Well, it might have been more expensive at that point, Chet.
Speaker 1Patchballs not cheap. I think they were a big deal. Yeah, they were pretty good.
Speaker 2Slips on the ball bearings, goes through the glass wall, the glass, the glass door.
Speaker 1The glass door it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2Then Mikey comes out with a bat and beats him to death while filming it.
Speaker 1Bludgeons him in the head. Yeah, probably probably the best death of the film. I think it's pretty good. I mean it's pretty good. Yeah, it's pretty good Because he's nine and he says something like what does he call him? Champ, or something. I can't remember. I think I don't know if I wrote it down or not, but he does have. He has a hell of a one-liner when he beats see ya champ, I did write it down. He's holding the bat. He goes see ya champ and then just bludgeons his dad. Great stuff, we do a little.
Speaker 2Thank you, hold the bat and go see a champ and then just bludgeons his dad to death. Great stuff. We do a little Thank you. We do a little bit with the police, Mikey sort of. They find the mom Mikey's in the closet and he sort of says there was a dude with a bushy hair and a red jacket who drove away in a car. Nothing was stolen.
Speaker 1Really thought that that was going to come back later.
Speaker 2No, Nope, like we just kind of let it go. That's super weird. A psychologist has him in there playing in the dollhouse, he talks about the stranger and how he hates that man and the psychologist is like I'm fooled by this small child. You're cured. No, it's not cured. He's doing an analyzation of the kid. He's psychoanalyzing him to see If he could have done it. No, it's not cured, I don't know. He's doing an analyzation of the kid, right, he's he's psychoanalyzing to see if he could have done it.
Speaker 2Or you know what the you know, somehow this kid, that's this young, knows how to like fool.
Speaker 1He outsmarts all of the psychologists in this movie.
Speaker 2There's a couple, I think, there's like two or three, and he outsmarts every single one, but we do set up at some point later that he's very, very smart, smart.
Speaker 1Smartest kid in the world? Yeah, which is, you know, scary. That's a scary trait the smarter you are, the more dangerous you are. Look at me, Look at you. Dangerous man alive.
Speaker 2Boom, they do a report. He's traumatized. Get him a new family. Oh, the mom that just died has a sister. We bring her in there and they're like you should take this kid and she's all like he's adopted, he's abused. And they're like you're all he has and she's all like nope, I'm out yeah, we never see her again.
Speaker 1Right, never again. It she's brought up one more time in the movie, but you'd never see her again.
Speaker 2Why would you take the?
Speaker 1time to hire this actress. Who cares? We got to show that he's Does not matter at all. He's really not like okay okay, yeah, does she know that he's crazy? If that's your point, if she's like, no, he's the devil, and everyone's like, oh, no, he's not. Maybe that's something. It's still dumb, but this has no bearing on the story whatsoever.
Speaker 2She's actually the craziest person in the movie. The way she acts, right about then yeah Boom, he gets picked up by the Trentons at the airport. A couple, they bring him a baseball glove it's Neil and Rachel and we set up. Oh, you get your joke. He's like you like baseball. He's like do you like to pitch?
Speaker 1And he's like I'm a better hitter. How much did you laugh at that line, Tony? I laughed a lot on a lot of lines, Dan. I'm not going to lie. There's some really nice one-liners in this movie. If the rest of the dialogue was as good as the one-liners were, this might have been a really good movie.
Speaker 2They get home he meets Miss Owens who's wait, so it's the next-door neighbor, the teacher no.
Speaker 1No, no. The teacher's the best friend Teacher's the best friend. And then there's also the next door neighbor.
Speaker 2So the next door neighbor is Mrs Owens. Her son is Ben, who has the weirdest looking face.
Speaker 1He's the kid from Jurassic Park, the one that Alan Grant does the raptor thing to in the beginning of the movie. You don't remember it.
Speaker 2He's the main kid in Jurassic Park with the little girl. Oh God, no, no, no, sorry, he's the main kid in Jurassic Park with the little girl, oh.
Speaker 1God, no, no, no, sorry, that was rude. No, no, no. He's the kid at the very beginning, when they're at the dig site and he's like, oh, it's just a big bird who cares. And then Helen Grant takes his Raptor claw and he's like it'll cut you here and here.
Speaker 2I, I don't think I ever saw it again.
Speaker 1Wait, are you not a Jurassic Park fan? I love Jurassic Park.
Speaker 2No, no, no, no, you don't, I mean okay, you know, I mean, I saw it when it came out and I liked it.
Speaker 1Okay, what I'm saying is Jurassic Park Is good.
Speaker 2We watched one for this show and it was really bad.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, the original Jurassic Park Is really good. The other ones are silly. Her best friend is. I still enjoy them.
Speaker 2Her best friend is Sean. I don't know. Do we ever forget how that's spelled?
Speaker 1No, nope, definitely not.
Speaker 2She's your teacher. Then we spend time with Mikey obsessing over the fish Yep.
Speaker 1Is there a psychological thing that I'm missing with the fish? I have no idea.
Speaker 2I mean the fish we use later, in the weirdest scene of the movie, sure, they go to bed, they talk about how great Mikey is, and then they make out.
Speaker 1This is Dan. We gotta talk. This is the worst on-screen kiss we have seen on this show since the love guru I'm telling you right now this is worse, let me. I don't know if you were paying attention I watched it multiple times she is not into this at all.
Kid's Toy Bow and Marble Time
Speaker 1Okay, this I don't. I'm going to posit a theory that these two actors hated each other. Okay, she. This is how the kiss goes. So this is her end. She opens her mouth like a fish and does not move. He, on the other hand, grabs her by the neck and does this I'm going to pretend that she just does it or just rubs his mouth all over her mouth. There's no kissing involved, he's just mashing his lips on her lips and she is not moving at all. She is dead. It is the most awkward kiss I've ever seen on screen. So pretty hot. I was totally aroused.
Speaker 2Yes, mikey, we have a scene of Mikey playing with his toys. Yeah, great, we go to kids, kids are kids, we go to Indian guides where we do bow practice and which is not okay. The interesting thing about the bow practice with Indian guides I don't know if you noticed this, but one of the guys is shooting a bow with hunting arrows.
Speaker 1I actually did notice that.
Speaker 2You're just like you would not be practicing with hunting arrows around a bunch of kids Not there, nope, because a kid would pick that up and then he'd shoot a pigeon or he'd shoot his friend in the foot or something terrible.
Speaker 1It's that one. He's not shooting a pigeon, Dan, he's shooting another kid.
Speaker 2No kid in the world back in the 80s or 90s would have any access to. I mean, if they did, that parent would be going to jail Because those things are terrible, super scary. Now, did you know people that bow hunted? My uncle is actually a huge bow hunter, loves it it still today and did he use those terrible, terribly, you know, inflicted all sorts of grievous wounds he has a crazy collection.
Speaker 1oh wow, like he has everything ranging from, like the most basic, like similar, what the kids were you like you know, because it depends on what level of challenge you want for the day. Sure, right, so the more basic you go, the harder the game actually is. But he's obsessive. He did competitions of bullseyes. I don't even know what that's called Archery. Is that just what archery?
Speaker 2is Archery is called archery. You got it.
Speaker 1But yeah. So he's got ones with scopes on it and stuff. He's got some toys. I.
Speaker 2He's got ones with scopes on it and stuff. He's got some toys. I think one of Shannon's uncles was a senior Olympics or something real.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, so he put it to good use, at least Went to the Olympics, sure I don't know, maybe it's just senior national championships, no he's an Olympic gold medalist for sure.
Speaker 2No, he's not an Olympic gold medalist, so he's a natural. And we're like, oh, someone's dying by bow, even though we've watched the trailer. We know someone dies by bow. We know, yeah, first day of school he's there. We learn about marble time. Why don't you talk about marble time, tony?
Speaker 1I'm not sure that I can, because I don't understand it. I like, apparently, if you do something good, you put a marble in a container and eventually something happens where you get a prize well, I mean it happens.
Speaker 2I don't get. It happens in the show it does happen.
Speaker 1But even I watched it and I was like I don't understand what's going on so basically because it looks like it just one marble fell out. Couldn't you just put it on the other thing?
Speaker 2well, I don't know that when the marble falls out, you're like why did you have the marble? So basically, there's a that's what I'm saying there's a thing with, and it reaches a certain weight of marble.
Speaker 1So each day and something good happens you put a marble in there, then it, when it gets to a certain point, it pushes down and it has this little rube goldberg machine chain reaction and then a door opens and then there's a prize which I guess goes to the kid who put that marble in the last marble yeah, not all the other kids that put marbles in over the year like they've been building it up. You just happen to get lucky.
Speaker 2That's not a great way to teach kids and there are hundreds and hundreds of marbles in this thing.
Speaker 1There's so many marbles.
Speaker 2It's not like 20. It's like 200.
Childhood Nostalgia and Movie Confusion
Speaker 1Yeah, this is like six years in the making.
Speaker 2Now, when you were a kid in school, did you guys have like the star system where you'd get gold stars and you would build them up on a chart. And then something would happen. I think, I don't know, did something happen?
Speaker 1Yeah, we used to get bookmarks, I don't know what other people did. But you get so many stars, you would get a bookmark. I loved them because I was a huge Scholastic Book Fair fan back in the day. Oh, look at you. Those were the best days of the year, man.
Speaker 2Oh, I love the book fair. Now, did you save all your little things? You threw them away.
Speaker 1I threw most of them away, but I did keep all of my Goosebumps books. I have almost the entire collection at home.
Speaker 2Are they all worn? Because you've read them so many times, so it's funny. Are they in condition? Because you've never read them?
Speaker 1It depends on where you are in the spectrum. Like the first 20 to 30 are all well worn and like. Obviously I loved them, but I kept collecting them and read them less and less and less, and there's some that it looks like I've never even opened. But I bought them. Nice, I don't know Nice. It's a perfect story of my life.
Speaker 2Perfect way to collect. Boom, boom, boom. Oh, marble time. And then they leave. They take the shortcut through the cemetery. Ben's dad is dead.
Speaker 1I guess.
Speaker 2I guess Ben's dad is dead.
Speaker 1I guess, and I guess he gets sort of angry about that, and so to get back at Ben, he acts like he lays on a grave and acts like he's dead. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2The kid's clearly got mental problems. Man, the new parents look at a drawing he did and try to understand what's going on in his brain?
Speaker 1Yeah, which is, by the way, the drawing is his dead on in his brain. Yeah, which is, by the way, the drawing is his dead sister in a pool right, oh was it.
Speaker 2I didn't understand that.
Speaker 1I couldn't make out what that drawing was it's, it's a pool with a girl floating in and they were like, oh, someone swimming means this. And I was like that girl's not swimming guys. She dead.
Speaker 2That guys, she dead, that's. That's a oh yeah, it's a cabbage patch doll in a pool. So there's once I don't remember this scene there's a frog that ben has and then the cat gets the frog or something.
Speaker 1There's like some weird frog stuff that goes on chases the frog I don't think it ever gets it, but I'm I guess. I'm not totally sure there might be a different frog later, but he definitely has a frog later as well yeah, um, then Then Hard to be sure.
Speaker 2Then we do marble time again and Mikey tries to cheat at it and he gets lectured about cheating.
Speaker 1Now I don't totally. We don't really see him cheat any other time, right, that's just pathology. I don't really understand this.
Speaker 2Because we're trying to set up a pathology that she sees that will lead her to think he's a problem.
Speaker 1She's the one that figures it out, yeah she's the one.
Speaker 2And then she's like you got to tell your folks you're a big cheater and he's all like yeah.
Speaker 1Okay, I'll totally do it.
Speaker 2And then he never really gets in. We're like, oh, in a real movie he'd get in trouble for not telling. But it doesn't really happen. Yeah, happen, yeah, no, no, definitely not. Then at the zoo he sees gorilla, he helps some lady who leaves her purse behind, and so now his parents think he's, he's great, he's a saint.
Speaker 1I just want to say the soundtrack at the zoo is wrong. The music is bumping. We are having like party music and nothing's happening at this? They're just looking at animals. Super weird, I don't know. That was it. It's the only musical choice that I noticed in the movie, and I noticed it for the wrong reason.
Speaker 2That's why you don't want to have music in your movie, just a silent film. So then, Sean and the new mom meet and the new mom gives Sean a gun.
Speaker 1Yeah, why? Why did you know? No, okay, all right. Yep, I mean, other than you know we're using it later, so they're like well, we got to get it in there somewhere, we got to get her a gun now and okie doke yeah, it made no sense. It's so weird, doesn't make any sense class.
Speaker 2We do another. He does a drawing of a turkey. This is turkey cutting off the head of a pilgrim that is correct.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's his thanksgiving drawing, you know, because pilgrims were a problem and the turkey what he said. He explained it at some point I don't remember the turkey. The turkey's fixing it. Yeah, pilgrims are bad, so the turkey is fixing it. That was a direct quote from the movie well, he's not wrong.
Speaker 2Hilarious, he's not right.
Speaker 1That's what I'm saying again so far, up to this point, I'm pretty much on mikey's side. He has done all the right thing. He killed all the people that needed to be killed so far and pilgrims were bad so the teacher realizes that he has unattached syndrome, not a thing I don't. Is that a real okay? I mean, maybe it is, but so like, why does she, why is she diagnosed? Like, why is she coming up with answers? Because you know what I mean. She could be like oh, there's something wrong.
Speaker 2No, he cheated and he drew the turkey, killing the pilgrim.
Speaker 1She was like ah, I know exactly what this is. It's right in the book here.
Speaker 2There's the book. There's the turkey picture, there's the cheating. Those two things.
Speaker 1Unattached syndrome. Got it I mean, that's all he did right, that's all he's done. That's the only two things he's done. Other than that, he's basically the sweetest kid in the world. I don't know.
Speaker 2So then she starts to try to track down information on him and can't find any records.
Speaker 1Well, she goes to another teacher guy oh no, that's not yet.
Speaker 2Oh, oh, that's not yet, that's not, that's my next note I'm sorry, I don't think we're there yet. I don't think that was that one all right, we get it's well.
Speaker 1It's right after the turkey drawing, because she shows him the turkey drawing and I know this because he has some. He has a line where he's like I used to draw. I used to draw things like this all the time, but I'm not psychotic which made me laugh really hard.
Speaker 2Maybe it was that scene, sorry.
Speaker 1It doesn't really matter. I'm only bringing him up because my question to you, dan, is who is he? He's kind of. What is his role in the school? He's kind of the principal. He's kind of is not an answer to that. You're either a principal or you're not a principal. You're either a guidance counselor or you're not a guidance counselor. And you're either the PE teacher or you're not.
Speaker 2He's the principal, but they didn't have access to a principal's office to shoot in, so that's what happened.
Speaker 1So there you go. I don't know it was weird. I just I didn't understand who he was in the higher. I didn't know why she was going to him.
Speaker 2None of it made any sense um, they're doing the baseball game and they're like shirts and skins, shirts and skins. And then he's like I don't want to be a shirt skin. He's all like they do a big argument and we're like, oh, there's something going on with his body and I mean they kind of implied that he was molested, something.
Speaker 1They implied that they did bad things to his body. I don't know.
Speaker 2Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1But, dan, this is my second favorite line of the whole movie. Yeah, they're arguing over taking off your shirt or not movie. Yeah, they're arguing over taking off your shirt or not. And the teacher looks at mikey and says look, what's the big deal? Take your shirt off. Which is my new pickup line for the rest of my life hey, what's the big deal? Take your shirt off done.
Speaker 2That's you. Do you like that? Why did you? Why did you like that line?
Speaker 1I don't understand it's a funny thing to watch a teacher try to convince a child to take his shirt off, and he's just like, hey, come on, what's the big deal? Take your shirt off. It's very weird.
Speaker 2It felt inappropriate. Each time you say that it's not funny, I don't laugh.
Speaker 1Well, it's going to be funny. Dan, don't worry when you think about this late in the night and you're talking to Shannon. All of a sudden in your head you're like hey, what's your big deal? Take your shirt off. You're going to love her.
Teenage Crush and Dangerous Games
Speaker 2Okay, so now we're on the bus. I think he's talking to Ben and we find out his favorite character is Freddy Krueger. Like how does this kid?
Speaker 1see a Freddy Krueger movie. Someone messed up. You know what I'm saying. You are too young for that, sir.
Speaker 2And then why not take off your shirt? Because my parents were bad.
Speaker 1Yeah, then he's in the classroom, but they weren't right, so here's at least not his last parents right. The side pony lady in the tub, she's not the one that did anything right.
Speaker 2I think they're trying to say that his very first parents abused him and that's why he's broken as opposed to, he's just a general sociopath um, okay, thank god we put a reason to it. He's in, maybe maybe somebody's talking to the principal guy and there's a skeleton in there and he's like how did this? How did he die? And the guy's like we don't know. And then we find out it's a kid's skeleton.
Speaker 1Right, which is really fucked up.
Speaker 2Well, no place would ever have a kid's skeleton in a school Right.
Speaker 1Not a school for sure. Yeah Right, maybe at like some sort of maybe a university where you're studying things like that, not in an elementary school, just another dead kid's skull, no, or whole skeleton. That's super weird. Let me ask you a question, dan, but we need this for the movie. That's why it's there. We need it for the movie, because this is his entire escape plan. Were those real? Because we had a skeleton as well, but I don't think it was real.
Speaker 2They were real to a certain point and then they started being not real.
Speaker 1Okay, you know what? Humanity Good choice. Yeah, that's super weird to have them be real. A skeleton's expensive first of all.
Speaker 2So at a certain point, making them out of plastic is going to be cheaper.
Speaker 1Yeah, and less horrific. It's just a skeleton, not if it's a real. It used to be a person. That's weird, dan. You know what you Not. If it's a real, it used to be a person.
Speaker 2That's weird, Dan, you know what. You're messed up.
Speaker 1So like, let's see If somebody wanted to give you like a skull, like a real skull, would you keep it in your house? No, a skull, you wouldn't keep it. That probably carries with it a ghost, nope.
Speaker 2I'm out. You wouldn't want to have a skull really.
Speaker 1Why would I want a skull? That's so creepy? What about a dinosaur skull? All right, now you're talking my language. Me and Nick Cage could go splitsies on another T-Rex.
Speaker 2Okay, now he meets Jesse. I mean, is he just finally meeting Jesse? Yeah, because they talked about her earlier, but I think she didn't come home yet, so Jesse comes in, mikey's on the floor, no pulse and Ben's there and we find out that he's figured out if you put a super ball under your thing and go like this, you can faint. You know it stops your blood flow to your arm and you won't have a pulse. Is that real? Absolutely.
Speaker 1That's creepy, yeah, and also sounds very dangerous.
Speaker 2I mean, is it dangerous? I mean, you're just, you know it's like if you go here, then you know you won't have a pulse here, right? You know that your pulse is just the pulse. Is you just putting your finger on here, right, and the blood is like I'm?
Speaker 1just saying how long can your limbs go without blood flow? Let's test Everybody, everyone hang on. How long can your limbs go without blood flow? Let's test. Let's test Everybody, everyone hang on. We're going to see how long it takes for Dan to lose the hand.
Speaker 2Can't you knock somebody out? If you, is it the sleeper hold? Is it the karate?
Speaker 1Back in the day, at sleepovers, you used to do this thing where you would do this and then hold it and then you would pass out. That was like a thing when I was growing up was making yourself pass out, which is very dumb. Please, god, do not do that. Anyone that's watching, but that was like a thing. Is you used to cut off your, your whatever this oxygen or the blood, whatever?
Speaker 2it is and then you would pass out I mean, if you're stopping the, because you didn't, you couldn't not breathe, right right, so it's no, it's a very specific two points or something that you have to like cut something, and then you can make yourself pass out. So I think these are your carotid arteries up here on your neck and I guess, if you do that, that's why, when you get your throat slit, it squirts out.
Speaker 1Oh yeah.
Speaker 2And so I guess if you do that, then you're cutting off the blood flow to your brain and then you're going to pass out, which is not smart. That's not a smart thing to do and then if the other kids then keep holding your hands there you're going to die?
Speaker 1Well then, you're dead.
Speaker 2Yeah, no, that's not the game. Everybody you let go immediately. Did you guys ever do that in camp?
Speaker 1Yeah, we used to do that all the time. That was like a thing oh God, yeah, kids are dumb, man, kids are dumb. You ever do light as a feather, stiff as a board though. No, that was a good one. I never went to camp.
Speaker 2I was a kid and I was like this camp thing was like I did not understand it, because no one I knew went to camp.
Speaker 1Yeah, I guess that's fair. We didn't have camp Camp wasn't like this thing? Camp's cool man, rich kid. Well, I can't argue with that, I take offense to it. How about that so?
Speaker 2Jesse gets down there, gives him mouth to mouth, and then he, you know, wakes up and then she's all like you know, he's all like fooled ya. And then she's all like you were a good kisser. And I'm just like, oh my god, like talk about my God, like talk about it. Let's assume this kid wasn't completely maladjusted. If you're just like a normal kid, this is the point at which your life ends.
Speaker 1Well, and if it doesn't, it'll end later, because she says this a second time later. Oh yeah, like she's into it. Dan, I don't know. This kid is living my dream right now. Okay, he's crushing it. Dan, I don't know, this kid is living my dream right now. Okay, he's crushing it. They're in the boat later and she's like you're going to kiss her and then also she's swimming around and she's like you can look it's okay to look what, what, what is going on? She is coming on to this kid so hard. It's awesome.
Speaker 2Don't pretend you don't love it. No, it's terrible, because that's how you ruin a kid.
Speaker 1You get obsessed with a girl.
Speaker 2That's very attractive and much older than them. You're just like. Well, forget about it.
Speaker 1He'll be in love with her forever. She goes up to her room.
Speaker 2There's David, her boyfriend, hiding in the closet. He's been there for who knows how long, and then they make out.
Speaker 1I would say days, if I was just to put a number on it.
Speaker 2Yeah, that night Jesse is sleeping, he is peeping on her. He climbs into her room, lets a frog go and then flees, and then she closes the window. No, he didn't flee, he hid under the bed.
Speaker 1Oh, he hid under the bed, yes, and then she closes the window window and then we cut to the next day.
Speaker 2He was there all night.
Speaker 1We can't cut there and never pick it up. What Did he spend the whole night under the bed and then sneak out in the morning? How did he get out of the room, Dan? More importantly, like I know what windows are open when I go to sleep. If I woke up in my window, I would immediately know someone was in the house, because you don't go to sleep with a window open, you just don't do it. What do you mean?
Speaker 2You don't go to sleep with windows open Every night.
Speaker 1What floor You're on? The first floor, dan, we have bars but of course, how could you not? Oh, you have bars. Okay, she didn't have any bars. She didn't even have a screen, dan, her window's just open. Animals could come in, vampires could come in. I mean, you're just letting all sorts of things in there.
Speaker 2Jesus, tony, you're so such a scaredy cat, logical, cautious, he goes back down there looking at the fish, feeds the fish, the fish frog the fish frog, the frog what? Is that a thing? So he had the frog up, the frog got chased by the cat. I thought it was Ben with the frog that somehow he's gotten the frog. It was. He must've stole the frog, I don't know. He loses the frog in her room and I guess then recaptures the frog and now he has fed the frog to the fish.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's weird, don't really get it.
Speaker 2Boom, we're back in the class. We're doing spelling bee. He has to spell the word assassin.
Speaker 1It's very weird. What kind of a spelling bee is like? What are the other words, dan?
Speaker 2I'm gonna need to know this homicidal and he makes the mistake of mentioning what the name of his old school was. And the teacher is there, she's all like.
Speaker 1Let me write that down just take a little personal note to follow up on that.
Speaker 2What street was this? What? What city and state? He doesn't realize he's made a mistake.
Speaker 1Which is weird because he outsmarts everybody all movie long. So I don't know.
Speaker 2He wins a marble for that. He puts the marble in it. The machine goes here's a watch. He gets a watch. A watch, that's a great gift. He gets a watch.
Speaker 1A watch. That's a great gift, Are you kidding me? Pretty good. What do the other kids get when they win? I wonder you can't get a bunch of watches, can you? You could just get another watch. You would have thought it was okay.
Speaker 2I kids for no reason Did you ever have anything confiscated from you in school, Tony?
Speaker 1Yeah, snap bracelets, you remember those? Oh yeah, we used to love snap bracelets but at some point they got outlawed. But we still brought them, and so the teacher.
Speaker 1We would still bring them, and then you know, if you got caught with them, they would take them away. It was real dumb, but with them, they would take them away. It was real dumb. But here's here's the dumber part of it, dan, and this is why it's so so messed up is did you have like a school, like a school store? We used to have a store cart where they push it around and you could like earn tickets throughout the year for doing good things and you could spend the tickets on things kind of like an arcade junior high or high school or elementary school.
Speaker 1This is middle school, yeah, so I guess junior high would be the word. Yeah. So six through eight for us.
Speaker 2We had like this little tiny room where you could buy stuff, and at one point we were in charge of it. Well, that seems like a bad joke. I don't understand how that works. We had a box of money and people would come and give us money and we would sell them erasers, Because I always remember we had pencils and they had the football teams on them and each was a different color. Oh, that's cool, they were super cool and I loved them. I loved them to death and I collected them at one point.
Speaker 1They're really cool. Of course you did.
Speaker 2That was the beginning, but yeah, at one point, like me or one of my friends like a horrible decision. So you'd go over there during like some break and you know you'd be selling kids pencils and writing this shit who did you give the money? I have no idea. I have no idea how that worked.
Speaker 1Well, I love that. Good for this. This is the beginning of your entrepreneurial spirit.
Speaker 2You know it's criminal enterprise.
Speaker 1I can't believe I didn't steal all the money.
Speaker 2I wouldn't trust me with money in a million years. I'm like I can buy comic books. Not you, but me. Okay, what were you saying? I don't know what you're saying.
Speaker 1I have no idea.
Speaker 2It doesn't matter, okay. Teacher calls the other school you know and finds out about the tragedy, ie him killing the original parents.
Speaker 1Can they just give that information out over the phone? I mean, I guess it's you know the 90s, back in the 90s nothing meant anything.
Speaker 2Now it's like everything's like I've been. I've been watching all these cop shows on youtube. You know where they had all these body camps oh, and the cops. They like cut everybody the most slack in the world and none of them ever offer any. You know these people say like the craziest things and you expect the cop to be like. You've made a lot of terrible choices in your life and look at where it's got you. You know, like all the comments we would make.
Speaker 2They never do it they never say anything they just like please get out of the car. Please get out of the car. Please get out of the car. Okay, now we're dragging you out of the car. Um, but back in the 90s, can you imagine what the 90s was like? People did anything. It's like, oh, wild, wild west baby you want to see your school records. Here they are in facts I'll just fax them over.
Speaker 1No, no, I don't think so.
Speaker 2The police guy sent her the police report at some point.
Speaker 1Yeah that which is that's crazy. You can't just show, like normal people, the police reports. That's not how it works in the 90s.
Speaker 2You could buy in the 90s I just said anything right, all right you know, it's like you want to come talk to charles manson with your fourth grade class. You come on in here's charlie, great, we'll get drinks.
Speaker 1It'll be wonderful okay.
Speaker 2So she's she. Now she's got more to dig into. Um, mikey peeps on jesse some more, then she's all like. The next day she's like let's go on a boat ride. Um, they have romantic music. She toys with him, yeah it's, yeah, it's okay to look, but don't stare. So she's just like, right she's totally cool.
Speaker 1She's like you know what I'm yours, do what you want.
Speaker 2I don't know man. He's sitting in the room later watching the video of when he killed his first dad and the new dad comes over and is like oh, you should be watching horror movies.
Speaker 1What? What are you talking? It's clearly a home video, first of all. You don't look at that and think, well, this is a professionally made film that we just happen to have lying around. Where would he have even gotten a horror movie? I don't know, man. This doesn't make any sense, Dan. It's pretty funny.
Speaker 2So then Mikey's like how do you know when you're in love?
Speaker 1And the dad has no idea. He's like you know what I when you're in love and the dad has no idea. He's like you know what? I've never been in love.
Speaker 2I don't know what to tell you, pal have you seen how your mom and I kiss?
Speaker 1well, that's the answer to your question. This is not what you want to look for.
Speaker 2I'll tell you that um, he peeps on jesse some more, but this time he's filming. They start having sex, so he throws a big rock through the window. David comes out and he's all what are you doing? Who did that? Are you insulting me? He's so mad. He's so mad. This is like the best performance of the whole movie. He is pissed. He's ready to go. David kicks a cat and then the cat runs over to Mikey and Mikey does his business on it.
Speaker 1Mikey kills him, but this is again. This kid is brilliant, right. So he kills the cat and then puts the cat behind a tire to frame the boyfriend for killing the cat. So David leaves, he backs over it. It's really smart. I mean, this kid is out of control.
Speaker 2Honk, she comes down and she is very mad. Dan, let me ask you a question. Yes, mikey's filming.
Speaker 1This is real quick, we don't have to talk about it too much. Yeah, let's say you run over your girlfriend's cat. Are you going to honk the horn at midnight and wake everybody up and be like everybody.
Speaker 2I just killed her cat. It seems like the wrong move. If I was to do that, this would be a two-hour movie of how I would be trying to hide the evidence of that for the rest of my life. Maybe for the rest of my life 100%, without a doubt.
Speaker 1That's what any normal person would do.
Speaker 2This would be a black comedy of how I then go about ruining the rest of my life trying to cover up my one accidental crime, and it would be a very sad movie and a movie that I could not watch.
Speaker 1Could not watch it, but it would make more sense than what happens in this movie. Tell you that.
Speaker 2So she breaks up with him.
Speaker 1She's like no more, which is the right move. Yeah, good for her.
Speaker 2So boom, now we're, yeah, good for her. So boom, now we're in class. Here's Mikey. What is Mikey doing, tony?
Speaker 1Oh no, I don't know.
Speaker 2He's stabbing himself with a pushpin.
Speaker 1Oh, I didn't even write that down. That's weird, but yeah, yeah, he's just self-mutilating, which is dark. It's the darkest thing that happens in the whole movie.
Speaker 2I thought he was going to be giving himself a tattoo or something cool. We actually see the injury, we don't even ever see the injury. You just sort of see him poke himself with the injury.
Speaker 1Not only do we not see the injury, but also somehow his parents don't see the injury, even though he's wearing a t-shirt. The next time he sees them and they're like no, he didn't do it, he didn't hurt himself. Doesn't make any sense, See.
Speaker 2I don't know that my parents would have noticed my injury. You know, because, like as a kid, you're always skinning your knee and you're always doing stuff and I don't think my parents ever noticed any of that.
Speaker 1I just don't think it would look like a skinned knee. I don't think you can confuse the injury with something else it breaks on your head.
Speaker 2What's going on with your head? They'd be like mosquitoes, definitely mosquitoes. We had really big mosquitoes today, I don't know and then we sort of established that he's a genius in math yeah, real good, real good at it they bring in the parents again. We do it unattached syndrome. He's brighter than other kids and we talk about the self-mutilation.
Speaker 1And then they get mad and they're like you're just jealous because he's so perfect and then the mom says the line you just don't want me to be happy to the best friend. How is that where you go with it? Like, what kind of a brain thinks that? That's what's going on here? She just is so jealous that she has a kid now that she's trying to pretend that the kid's a murderer. I don't know, it's really weird.
Speaker 2Then we get a line like we have Ted Bundy Jr, so which is correct, you're kind of there You're right. So that was all weird. He gets home Uh-huh, and he goes to the fish tank and his favorite fish are gone, because there are some big fish in there, big, big fish.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah. What happened to the fish, tony? Well, she sold them Because apparently that's her job. I don't know. I'm honestly still confused about her job because they said something earlier. The dad was like, well, that's what she does, she does aquarium stuff for people, but only in her one aquarium. I mean, I didn't understand.
Speaker 2I was pretty on board with most of this movie, but the idea that she sold his favorite fish out from under him and that is the thing he's going to get angry about. So like you're going to have to develop a little more if you're going to expect me to really think this kid cares about these stupid fish.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's all pretty bizarre, but great, perfect reaction from the kid Just yells about how they're not his real parents. You know the use.
Speaker 2He rages upstairs. Okay, I wrote. Somebody brings somebody flowers and mom is naked in the tub.
Speaker 1The kid. Mikey brings her flowers to apologize, and she's just super naked in the tub, yeah, cool.
Speaker 2And then he's all like. You know, if I tried to Electrocute you with this hair dryer, I could just do that.
Speaker 1He says something in the lines of If I throw this into the tub, it's the electric chair or something like that, and she's just like, well, don't do that, that's it Okay.
Speaker 2You got it, mom, and the gift giving continues Next day at Jesse's. That that's it. Okay. You got it, Mom, and the gift-giving continues Next day at Jesse's or Ben's. He gets Jesse a stuffed cat, and then David shows up.
Speaker 1Which is sweet yeah.
Speaker 2David shows up, it's like a typical thing that a kid would do and the girl would be like, oh, this is great, and then she just throws it in the trash when he's gone. Yeah for sure, this is great.
Speaker 1And then she just throws it in the trash when he's gone. Yeah, for sure, for sure, except for this girl's in love with this tiny young child, so she probably kept it.
Speaker 2Until David comes outside and puts the plays on her and he gives her flowers and she is back in. Oh no, he begs Once. He begs.
Speaker 1That's what convinced her. He gets on his knees and begs and she's like, okay, it's fine.
Speaker 2So the teacher is continuing her research and she's in the library and she's looking at this big machine. What is that machine, tony?
Speaker 1Oh no, it's a ka-ching, ka-ching and it's old newspapers Ka-ching. What is?
Speaker 2that. I don't know what it's called. It's either microfilm or microfiche.
Deadly Confrontation With Mikey
Speaker 1No, it's the first one, microfiche? I don't think so.
Speaker 2There's two different things. There's where there's a little film strip or where there's these little squares of film that you put down in there.
Speaker 1Which one's the microfilm. That's the smallest one. I think the film might be the little.
Speaker 2I think the fish might be the little. I don't know anything about it.
Speaker 1I've only seen this in movies, never seen one of these in my real life. Yeah, I used to do it.
Speaker 2I used to do research on them all the time.
Speaker 1Nerd.
Speaker 2Okay, microfilm. Microfish time Nerd. Okay, microfilm, like the fish we got through that night at the pool in the hot tub. Somebody's in the hot tub.
Speaker 1The boyfriend's in the hot tub Stuff goes on.
Speaker 2What? This is the whole. This is very confusing.
Speaker 1Jesse and the boyfriend are fooling around in the hot tub having a good time. Then the phone rings. She goes to get the phone, but who's calling is Mikey and he's playing his murder tape over the phone for her to listen to. It's the murder tape. And then he goes.
Speaker 2I thought it was just the television.
Speaker 1No man it's a murder tape because you can hear someone screaming Mikey over the phone. Mikey, it's super weird. It's the creepiest thing that happens in the movie. That's pretty weird. That's pretty funny, so he sneaks over to the boyfriend and then there's a radio right by the hot tub and immediately you're like this is this kid's favorite activity. You got to keep stuff away from the water. Do you remember what he says?
Speaker 2No, I didn't write down any of the one-liners.
Speaker 1Oh boy, you messed up. He says this radio isn't safe. The boyfriend says why he just goes because you could die, and then he kicks it in. It's the worst one-liner out of a movie with pretty good one-liners. It's really bad Because you could die. That doesn't make sense, bud. I don't know, I don't know this absolutely, but I don't think kicking a radio into a hot tub would kill you.
Speaker 2I don't think anything that he does in this movie could kill you, except for the glass. Oh no, no, no, no, no, oh, no, no, no, no. I think hairdryers things with-.
Speaker 1Not if you catch it, Dan. She caught it out of the water, okay.
Speaker 2You are correct If you catch it you're totally safe.
Speaker 1I will die on that hill. But she catches it outside the water.
Speaker 2She's fine, but things with transformers in there and big heating elements. I think those's bad. That's bad. I think that's bad because I know, I know if you throw a space heater in there that I'm pretty sure that'll kill you for sure. Why would you?
Speaker 1throw a space heater in there because you're trying to kill someone.
Speaker 2Oh sorry, I didn't understand she comes out can't find david. David's burnt, burnt body floats up.
Speaker 1But it's underwater for a while which is a little confusing to me because she looks twice before and there's nothing in the water. The third time his head pops up.
Speaker 2Oh no, not just his head, the whole, his whole.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's right, you're right, and he's all charred. They did a makeup on him.
Speaker 2It was like I was like okay, okay, that is not a Cabbage. Patch doll no, they did him. Someone had to actually do a makeup.
Speaker 1You're like oh wow, I had someone do a makeup for that day.
Speaker 2Okay.
Speaker 1Just the one day, though, that's all we could afford.
Speaker 2Okay, David's dead Teacher calls the cop and he's going to fax over the police report In the school office. She's waiting for the facts. She hears about the dead boyfriend. It's like, oh, dear Mom. Then Mom's up in the bathroom, she looks at the curler I guess she's thinking about David and then you think she puts it together. You think she does.
Speaker 1She didn't put it together, but then it seems like she did. It's really weird. I think that that scene is cut out of place. I think she really did figure it out in that scene and they just had to edit it backwards for some reason.
Speaker 2I don't know, because the next time she's talking about it she has not put it together 100%. Then I think they talked to Mikey and they're like maybe it wasn't an accident, maybe he was being punished.
Speaker 1Yep, he's telling that to the girlfriend Jess.
Speaker 2Oh, jesse, yeah, so he's telling it to Jesse. There's a line I'm not dead, now you can. Oh, oh, and he's like I'm not dead, so now you can love just me.
Speaker 1Now you can love just me. She's all like go home. Well, that would be an off-putting line.
Speaker 2I'm not going to lie. Jesse puts it together too. Maybe Rachel Mikey's in love with me. There's something wrong with him.
Speaker 1Right. So she goes to the mom and is telling the mom that she thinks something's wrong with Mikey, and the mom is like nope, which is weird because we just saw her put it all together, but that's fine.
Speaker 2So now she's going to kill mom. So he has a hammer. Hits her hand with the hammer.
Speaker 1Well, hold on. She walks in on him watching his movie and she goes what are you watching? Do you remember what he says? No, he says Mikey's funniest home videos. That's messed up, man. That's a good line, because that is wild. But then there's a hammer just sitting right next to him and she doesn't do diddly squat. This mom doesn't do anything. She lets him pick up the hammer, walk over and then smack him.
Speaker 2She's sitting in a chair with her hands. Like this, he's able to walk over and then get maximum impact hammer on hand with chair belief. What are you doing? Then he takes off and he goes and he breaks one of the tanks, and then someone tries to call someone and then there's more hammer well, he has put the phone off the hook yes, he takes the phone off the hook, so no more phone for the phone off the hook, so no more phone for anyone.
Speaker 1I don't totally remember rotary phones but if he takes it off the hook, someone else that picks up the same phone can't dial. Yeah.
Speaker 2What happens? Is one phone off the hook takes the whole system out. Man phones were dumb, so if you had like four phones in your house. If one was off the hook, no one can call in. It'll be going beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep beep, beep, sure, yeah, nobody can call in, nobody can call out. You have to hang them all up, reset the. You have to find the phone.
Speaker 1Find the phone, reset the system and then you can start using it again.
Speaker 2The 90s were a wild time, friend I mean that's the problem with movies today is everybody has cell phones, everybody has the entire computer.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's all.
Speaker 2It's so everybody's connected so much back then you could like murder a whole family and no one's gonna know about it, not not right away okay sean has a gun. Wait is the mom dead now I.
Speaker 1After a while they fight for a while, at some point she tries to send him to his room, which is really funny because he's trying to murder her. But she's like you should go to your room, hilarious and eventually he tackles her off the stairs. Oh, she goes over the stairs.
Speaker 2Oh, they both do. The two of them go over the stairs.
Speaker 1They both go over the stairs. Oh, the two of them go over the stairs. They both go over the stairs. She dies, and then she lands on glass and gets it in the neck Broken glass.
Speaker 2He picks up broken glass and starts stabbing her.
Speaker 1I think at some point yeah, yeah, yeah, that sounds right, yeah it was chaos, it was chaos.
Speaker 2Sean's there, she's got the gun. Oh no, no, no, no, no Wait, oh no, this is the fight continues. And she said oh, this is the mom, so Sean has a gun separate.
Speaker 1Okay.
Speaker 2We have another scene where Sean has a gun. Another scene, great, at the bedroom. Oh God, mikey, no more the broken glass. Then they go over the balcony. She's got it in the thing, sean gets to the principal.
Speaker 1You're right, yep, no, you're right.
Speaker 2Principal get to the house they check Mikey for a pulse. He doesn't have a pulse, but you know Mikey's faked out.
Speaker 1We know he's got that figured out.
Speaker 2She goes back outside and is freaking out. Principal goes back in with the gun Mikey is gone. He goes back in with the gun Mikey is gone. He goes back in, says he goes over to the phone and then hits it and messes with the phone but he set down the gun and I guess Mikey has snuck over there while he set the gun down.
Speaker 1You get to, you see it, you see, you see him sneak in, take the gun and then put it back like 30 seconds later. It's actually pretty fun, so he has emptied the bullets.
Speaker 2And so then, this is when he kills that guy with the arrows, the bow and arrow. We've been waiting for it for so long. And then he, then Sean, finally comes back in and he kills her. Oh, he marble, slingshots her to death.
Speaker 1I guess, because later it looks like she got it in the eye, but we don't see her die, unlike everybody else.
Speaker 2Yeah, so basically her final real kill we don't even, basically even see, for the most, Well, we ran out of time and or money, so dad calls I'm on my way, and Mikey's like yeah, get up here, Fills the house with gas, oh God. He goes to see Jesse, creeps in, she says go home. And then he attracts her with a loud TV.
Speaker 1And then he sneaks into her bedroom again as he does, and she kicks him out of her door into her house.
Speaker 2Okay.
Speaker 1Which is silly because he can just come back in the window, but that's irrelevant. And then he turns on a TV downstairs and she immediately leaves her room to investigate the loud noises, like you do. Like you do after you just put someone in your house. It's not like nobody was there. And then a TV came on and you're like, wow, what's that? She knows Mikey's there. She threw him in the hallway and then a TV went on and then she went to investigate.
Speaker 1Stupid Dad gets home, he's like going through the mail and he is like set everybody up in a tableau, which would be creepy if they spent a good amount of like a real amount of time on it. Because it's a creepy idea Did he kill?
Speaker 2Jesse.
Speaker 1No no.
Speaker 2I don't Creepy idea. Did he kill Jesse?
Speaker 1No, no, I don't. I think Jesse's just looking around when the dad gets home because she's screaming from her window to get the dad's attention and he's like oh, you're screaming from a window, but the window is closed, so I don't know what's happening. And then he's like she's pretty, huh, and then they go inside.
Speaker 2Oh, so he goes inside, dad goes inside.
Speaker 1There's a tableau set up with all the dead including the skeleton from school.
Speaker 2Yeah, mikey blows up the house with the Molotov cocktail.
Speaker 1A Molotov cocktail. How does he even know how to make one of those?
Speaker 2I would have said at seven or eight I knew how to make a Molotov cocktail. Wow, really From television.
Speaker 1I saw enough tv shows with montauk cocktails absolutely, absolutely. I guess those were probably more common back then.
Speaker 2I don't feel like we use those very often anymore totally a television staple sure you know people always you know, because it's a. It's a, an improvised weapon that anybody can make. Right, bott Bottled gasoline, sure Rag, everyone's going to be able to make that. Yeah, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 1Just thought it was fun.
Speaker 2So they blow it up. So basically everybody's dead inside. So the police come and are filtering through it all and they're like, well, everyone's dead. And then there's also a child skeleton. So they think that that's a 10 year old skeleton which.
Speaker 1How do they know that that fast that it's 10 years old. But it's fine, I don't know I'll buy it.
Speaker 2But it would you know, they would figure out how everyone died and they would see that the skeleton was, you know, already dead, years too old.
Speaker 1So this would never work also, how do you keep the skeleton from like Biodegrading? Is that the right word? Do they have to treat the bones with something I'm sure they treat?
Speaker 2the bones, and I'm sure they Use lacquer to do that, but I think I mean bones are just going to sit there. I mean bones are not going to. Really I don't know much About it.
Speaker 1Yeah, I guess because you dig them up. I guess that was stupid.
Speaker 2We talked about a dinosaur Skull earlier well, no, dinosaur skull is not a skull right dinosaur all that dinosaur stuff is replacement, right. What happens is what? Yeah, it's not skull, let's not, it's not yeah have I been lied to my entire life.
Speaker 1Right now, dan, okay, what?
Speaker 2happens is I'm pretty sure, yeah, I'm pretty sure of this, right? Yeah, when it goes underground, it sits there for a long time and then, when it finally degrades, other stuff goes in there and fills up the space. So it's not the same stuff, what? Pretty sure of that, what?
Speaker 1Yeah, okay, wow, I did not know that.
Speaker 2Yeah, so basically it's a rock. Huh, okay, I think that's the case, unless I'm insane.
Speaker 1I believe you. I'm not arguing with you, dan, just feel a little let down.
Speaker 2Yeah, like a trilobite. Think about a trilobite. You know what a trilobite. Think about a trilobite, you know what a trilobite is.
Speaker 1I don't know how to think about that, because I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2Well, think about like a shrimp, right? If a shrimp died and ended up there and all this stuff went on top of it, a shrimp is not hard like a bone, right? But the stuff inside the shrimp lives on because it gets replaced by something. Yeah, okay, I think that's how it works. I'll have to read up on that biology.
Speaker 2So basically, they think everyone is dead, jesse's like ah and then mikey just like disappears out route 240 and they pick him up and they they're all like who's this random kid, we'll give him to another couple right? Yep, well, he has amnesia dan so he doesn't remember where he comes from he's a master of playing the system, so he's gonna, he's gonna be able to work.
Speaker 1I mean the kid is smart, I'll, I'm gonna give him that, so I just mikey too the 90s were a wide up.
Movie Madness and Creative Documentary Talk
Speaker 2Mikey too. We can do it anytime you want I can't believe we never got one. I can't believe, I can't imagine this movie made any money, except maybe a a home video.
Speaker 1I didn't look that up, that's true. I wonder if I can.
Speaker 2This movie's weird.
Speaker 1Yeah, this movie's weird. I don't think that it's as boring as you thought it was. I was entertained pretty thoroughly.
Speaker 2I mean, there's so much craziness in it, but you needed him to kill a couple other people in the middle of the movie.
Speaker 1I agree. I agree 100%. Yeah, I'm not going to argue with that logic, or just more flirtation with the neighbor. You know I'm good either one.
Speaker 2You just want him getting a little more action. That's what you're saying, yeah.
Speaker 1This kid deserves it. All right, he's working hard.
Speaker 2You're still into the whatchamacallit, the kid that got all the money, and then romance duff. Come back in two years, then I'll be ready to be your girlfriend, no stop.
Speaker 1Done and done, lady, I'm in.
Speaker 2Why do they make these movies?
Speaker 1They give Tony some weird hope that some 19-year-old girl is going to be in love with his 8-year-old ass. Just set me up for a lifetime of disappointment.
Speaker 2Brutal, too funny. So that's Mikey. He's a murderer. That is Mikey he kills three people at the beginning and then by the end he's killed another four or five people. What'd he kill? Yeah, what'd he kill.
Speaker 1And there's a lot of time in between.
Speaker 2So he killed the mom, the dad, the teacher, the principal.
Speaker 1David and then and David and three in the beginning. So eight, that's a pretty high body count so kind of eight.
Speaker 2Good for good for him. Crazy world we live in.
Speaker 1We don't really live in that world damn it's all good.
Speaker 2Uh no, we don't. Sadly we don't. So that's mikey. Happy halloween. It's not halloween yet. Uh no, we're just beginning now. Anything else to say about this movie to me?
Speaker 1uh, no, I'll. I'll say what I need to say in our next segment.
Speaker 2Now we talk about things we liked this week and I think I'm going first because I get to pick the movie. I watched a documentary about the band Die Antwoord, which is this crazy sort of rap duo from South Africa, and such a good document. You know, when people make good documentaries, you have me from beginning to end. They're this weird. They do this sort of not hyper-violent, but very, and then the guy sings like that.
Speaker 2And then the woman's like I am singing like an angel, and so it's. You know, it's a really interesting contrast. And just like they like went from nothing to being a viral sensation, to moving to Hollywood, and just like all that comes with that kind of situation, you're just like Nothing good when you come from nowhere to the top it's. That's always going to be an interesting ride.
Speaker 1And then to see yeah, it's real culture shock.
Speaker 2Yes, they went through a lot, but being tireless workers and that's the dude just was they tirelessly worked.
Speaker 1But the interesting. Is this like a modern thing? Yeah, or is this? When are they? Yeah, this was the 2000s.
Speaker 2They rose up in the 2000s, so I don't even remember where I watched it. It's called zef, I think, and zef is like this weird sort of south african culture thing where the people are kind of the lower class but they have like these crazy hairdos and stuff and just really interesting leverage of like their own culture and bringing that out of the world and everybody being like what the hell is going on here? What?
Speaker 1are we doing here?
Speaker 2Yeah, but it's interesting to see creative people's incredible hard work. Get them somewhere and then they got too far.
Speaker 1I mean that's going to happen. Right, You're going to fly too close to the sun.
Speaker 2And we also watched the new Salem's Lot movie.
Speaker 1Hey, we watched that, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2It was not good. Now, shannon hated the woman actor. She was like she thought she was just the worst. The little kid that survived. I'm like why isn't this movie just about him? He was so good For sure. That kid every time he was on you were like this is a movie. I want to see Anyone else on the screen. You're like this is not a movie I want to see, I'm out.
Speaker 1Yeah. He was so good, the main guy is Pullman's son right. Is that who he is? Pullman's son right, Is that who he is? Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2He plays. Century in the Thunderbolts movie.
Speaker 1He's also in Top Gun, maverick, which is great, and he's wonderful in it. Okay, good.
Speaker 2Because I don't know if you've seen the Thunderbolts trailer, but no, oh my God, I cannot wait for that movie. That movie's going to be the what's Florence Pugh, and she's like just about the best actress we have in the world.
Speaker 1Yeah, she's all right. What? What movie did we do with her again, darling? Oh yeah she was darling she was the her and uh, chris pine, chris pine. They were like the only bright spot in that horrible.
Speaker 2Just uh, just almost finished a complete rewatch of dungeons of dragons oh, dude, I love that movie so much it's on. Amazon now and I believe it is their number one movie.
Speaker 1It's crushing on streaming right now.
Speaker 2So the hope is somebody grows a brain.
Speaker 1I know what the hope is, but it's too late.
Speaker 2It's never too late. We missed it, we blew it, it's never too late.
Creepypasta Influence in Horror Films
Speaker 1I hope so. I would love more of that world. It's never too late. It's never too late. We missed it, we blew it. It's never too late. I hope so. I would love more of that world. It's so good.
Speaker 2Well, the thing about it is it doesn't even have to be those same exact characters, right? Although I would love it if it was yeah, or some of them, or whatever. Yeah for sure. You figure out how to make that into a universe, because that's a universe that can go on forever and it's the truth of the matter, is it's you could just do discrete adventures. This thing ended up, you know there's a whole town, a whole city involved, but that's you know all the superhero movies have to be like the entire planet will die, but we just want discrete adventures.
Speaker 2All the little you know, the fucking mind fayers walking by them, not the mind flayers, the intellect devourers, and he's all like.
Speaker 1Oh, that's offended.
Speaker 2Really. You blowing us up that way? Well, that's hurtful yeah. And the other thing I found in the second rewatch of it. I mean I'm sure you've watched it a bunch of times is I have they feel watch of it? I mean I'm sure you've watched it a bunch of times is I have they feel like us playing characters a little bit?
Speaker 2it just feels like a group of people playing dnd a little bit yeah because they it's brilliant they have enough colloquialisms in there, but they also have like stuff the way we talk and you're like like I think that's. You know you don't really want to feel like the world is real. You want to feel like there's that flexibility of that world and that makes it so much so you don't like when they escape from the prison you don't go. Well, they would just get caught again because they're only a mile or two away. No, they get away because you want the characters to get away.
Speaker 1Amen to that. Yeah, it's a perfect film.
Speaker 2It's pretty damn good, what do you got to say, tony? What do you got for us? I have like 12 things for us you got like nothing.
Speaker 1No, no, I mean I tipped the bin earlier, but I'm going to talk about the Good Son a little bit. But I'm going to talk about the good son a little bit, okay, so it's Macaulay Culkin, elijah Wood. It's also about a murderous child, but what makes it smarter is, for the most part, he's murdering other children.
Speaker 2Oh.
Speaker 1Jesus Christ. That sounds worse than what I mean, oh my God. So he murders his little brother, and then he murders a dog, and then he graduates to trying to murder his mother eventually, sort of. So he's not like going up against adults that could kill him immediately. So, there's a real sense of foreboding in the movie.
Speaker 2You agree with the learning curve of his menace?
Speaker 1I do, yeah, yeah. Also, again, the acting in the good son is out of this part, like they crush it as opposed to mikey, which is horrendous across the board. Uh, so it's like it's like a real version of mikey, you know what I mean, like a a real world scenario. But what I want to talk about real quick naomi and I are very upset is the critics score for Mikey is 20 percent, the good son is 25 percent, and then the audience score for Mikey is 45. Good son is 54. That's too close. These two movies are not only five to 10 percent different, they are a world apart, and there is something wrong with the system we are using to measure these things, because these movies should not even be in the same conversation.
Speaker 2Well, I'm going to say something that I don't know anything. I mean, I've never seen this other movie that you're talking about.
Speaker 1Sure.
Speaker 2Great, he kills a kid like Mikey he kills. He kills his sister. But it's so dopey, you know, like you say, it's a cabbage patch doll in the thing. I don't watch that and feel the dreaded. You know the concept of one kid killing another kid is that's harsh.
Speaker 1That's harsh stuff. It's dark, I'm not going to lie. The movie is dark, the Good Son is dark and Mikey is not dark.
Speaker 2And I bet you that, so I understand what you're saying. I bet you both critics. Critics are like you shouldn't be showing a kid killing another kid.
Speaker 1And a dog Like they do some messed up stuff that you shouldn't do. Do you have anything else that you're going to talk about? I was just going to a follow-up. Last episode I said we watched a bunch of pilots and I'd let you know if we continued watching any of them, and I'm sure everyone's curious, but the Nobody Wants this. The rom-com with Adam Brody we watched that cover to cover and it is delightful.
Speaker 2Now, is that the number one thing on Netflix? It sure is.
Speaker 1They are crushing it. It just got renewed for a second season because it's doing so well. Very exciting stuff.
Speaker 2You know, everybody complains about streaming, puts stuff out there and then cancels it before anyone gives a crap about it. It's like that chaos show which I liked and I I really enjoyed. Yeah, I am not surprised that it's not getting a second season. It's so freaking weird. And you know, as opposed to what was it? Severance, that one? You're like that was so good, it got the the buzz and everybody talked about it for all the right reasons and I'm like that's gonna get another season and and that's going to get another season.
Speaker 1And that's why I like streaming, because I understand why people are upset, because if you like the weird things that you find and they get canceled, you're upset because you're like I wanted more. But the thing is they get to try more stuff. Like there is some weird stuff out there that we have tried and some of it lands. If it lands, great, great, we'll keep going with it. If it doesn't land, it's like, yeah, we tried, what a fun time and I I appreciate getting the one season of a show like chaos, like I it was, it was entertaining, right, like it was weird. I I don't really know if I would give it another season, you know, but I appreciate that I got to see if it.
Speaker 2If it and that's the whole thing is if it magically took off, I'd be like, okay, you know it did, but it's such a sort of generally weird thing, it's not surprising that it didn't take off and capture the zeitgeist of the world that you know. It could you know, and that's why, yeah, like you say, you take shots with shows like that, but you also have to. The people that love them have to understand it's a shot, right.
Speaker 1Yeah. That was not a cheap show to make For sure, not no. So you had to have strong returns in order to keep that going.
Speaker 2It's like how much does it cost to make another Love Island? You know those things are just going to keep churning out until Tony gives up on them. They better.
Speaker 1Dan, which is probably better. I hope not. I would like to keep watching for a long time to come.
Speaker 2Oh, that was the one other thing I wanted to say is I always say you never hurt animals, in comedy and also in drama. It's very dangerous. Yes, comedy and also in drama, it's very dangerous. Yes, In the last Saturday night live with Nate Bargazy. He has one about a golf tournament. Okay, that you know, is the the exception that proves the rule.
Speaker 1Okay. So you can do let's all, let's all go watch that.
Speaker 2Sometimes you can do terrible things and they can be funny.
Speaker 1Terrible things, lawrence. You've done terrible things and they can be funny. Terrible things, lawrence, you've done terrible things. Yeah, haven't been able to quote the Wolfman in a long time. Thanks, dan.
Speaker 2Now we're going to pick a movie for next week. I get to pick and I'm picking a spooky one. This one's straight out of the world of the creepypastas. Do you know about creepypastas? Like pasta, creepypastas Do you know about creepypastas Like pasta, creepypastas Like spaghetti.
Speaker 1Do you know what creepypastas are? No, I have no idea.
Speaker 2Creepypastas are the online horror stories, so they're horror stories that sort of were generated online and then sort of so like a Slenderman, that sort of thing. On the nose. That's the movie we're doing. We're doing slender man, uh, which is kind of the slender man I think might be the king of the creepypastas, but it yeah, it's definitely like it.
Speaker 2I mean, it's the only one that I thought of right off the bat, so, all right, perfect, never seen it was a show called channel zero which was on some weird station and some of the best creepy, horror, science fiction stuff that's ever been on television. Another show that got four seasons, but I think it had, you know, like season one was two seasons and then season two was two, you know, so it's like four. It's a total of four stories, all absolutely worth watching, all based on creepypastas and all really good stuff.
Speaker 1I've never heard this term, Dan. I'm so excited I've learned a new term.
Speaker 2I found it from that Channel Zero show, oh, okay. And then when you look at it it's a whole huge internet thing.
Speaker 1I think it's a dead thing now.
Speaker 2I don't think it still exists. But you know the point that Slender man was doing his thing, which would have been in the we're at that.
Speaker 1Was that probably 10 years ago? Sure, yeah, I mean the movie um.
Speaker 2It's from 2018, so they were probably too late so yeah, I think slender man, when they finally got around to making movies too late. But we're gonna. Yeah and it's. You know, a lot of kid driven things and a lot of you and a lot of weird urban myths sort of things, when the internet was sort of churning that stuff before. It now has become just a 8% critic score Dan Nicely done.
Speaker 2You're welcome, so we're going to get some creepypasta going. If you like what you see, give us a thumbs up, give us a comment or even a subscription. Because for every one of those subscriptions, give us a comment or even a subscription.
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Speaker 2We love you and we talked about ourselves a lot this time.
Speaker 1So you have a little deeper insight into Tony's fear of fire, fear of the ocean, but he still likes pools. I love pools, man. I will swim in a pool every day.
Speaker 2Until you put jellyfish in the pool.
Speaker 1If you put a jellyfish in the pool, I'm going to be out. Everyone would be out. Jellyfish are so dangerous. They sting without reason. That is true, Alright we'll see you next week. Goodbye, everybody.