Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
Hate Watching Knowing
What happens when one of us misplaces a phone and the other can't stop laughing about it? It sets the perfect stage for a lively discussion on the 2009 Nicolas Cage film, "Knowing." One host is captivated by the disaster sequences, while the other can’t get past Nicolas Cage's unlikeable character. We dissect the thematic elements, character arcs, and question the emotional depth of the film, keeping the conversation engaging and humorous throughout.
Travel back to 1959 with us as we unravel the mystery of Lucinda's ominous numbers in a time capsule, which resurface in 2009. We follow Caleb and his astrophysicist father John's journey to decode these numbers, analyzing foreshadowing elements, character development, and the film’s narrative choices. From Caleb's unexamined intelligence to his father's puzzling protective nature, we critically and comically examine the film's execution and storytelling inconsistencies.
We also cover dramatic and suspenseful scenes like a traumatic plane crash aftermath and a misunderstood subway station attack, discussing the film’s balance between realism and spectacle. We even touch on foreign film reviews, reality TV, and tease our next movie pick, the 1994 comedy “My Father the Hero.” Join us for a blend of critical insight, humor, and a call to support the show with your likes, comments, and subscriptions.
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We were at the show and I touched my pockets to see where my phone was. And my phone wasn't in my pockets and I was like my phone, my phone.
Speaker 2:So Was it in your hand. I do that sometimes. Sitting down next to you On the table, yeah, still, at that first moment you're like, oh shit, my whole life is gone. That's not good, it's not enjoyable.
Speaker 1:I don't wish that even on you, Tony Even on you.
Speaker 2:Wow, I mean, that's compassion right there, dan I've got a lot of compassion.
Speaker 1:I should save all this good comedy for the show. Welcome to hey Watching with Dan and Tony. It's like watching you. Welcome to hey Watching with Dan and Tony.
Speaker 2:I'm Dan, the host of the show, and I'm Tony.
Speaker 1:Good job stepping on my host of the show. I am so sorry.
Speaker 2:I didn't know. You've never added a host of the show before in your entire life. We're 205 episodes in. We're supposed to have a pitter patter at this point and it's just. It's chaos over there.
Speaker 1:Dad, it's gonna mix it up, mix it up mix it up, keep it fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, everything fresh yeah um, yeah, on this show we watch a movie, then we talk about the movie and one of us has have had picked the movie. I think I picked this movie right. You did. Yeah, you picked this movie. Dan don't know why I picked this movie right. You did. Yeah, you picked this movie. Dan Don't know why I picked this movie. There must have been a reason.
Speaker 2:I'm sure at one point you probably explained it last week and I don't even remember, but there's always some sort of connective tissue in our minds that we like to lay out.
Speaker 1:So if you want to know why I picked this movie, go listen to the last episode or listen to the last couple minutes of the last episode, and then it'll be solved.
Speaker 2:Listen to the whole thing. You just gotta stick it all the way out, all hour 40 probably.
Speaker 1:Even if you've already listened to it second time give it a shot. See if Tony's jokes land the second time.
Speaker 2:If anything, they get better guys, so just hang in there.
Speaker 1:So I picked you know I went to my boy Nick Cage, you know I love that guy and I picked this movie called the Knowing or Knowing.
Speaker 2:I think it's just Knowing. I don't think it's the. Is it the?
Speaker 1:I saw the some places, but the poster and stuff seemed to just say Knowing.
Speaker 2:I think it just says Knowing yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Stuff seem to just say knowing. I think it just says knowing, yeah, I don't know, 2009 two hours and two minutes too long.
Speaker 2:It is too long. I have spoiler alert. I only have two complaints about this movie, but that is one of them. Yeah, only two complaints about this movie. Wow, I'm going to tell you right now. I loved this movie. Oh, okay. This movie is like my. I love disaster movies and this is like a disaster movie. That then is also like, but which is always fun.
Speaker 1:I will say that the disaster parts of this movie are amongst the best disaster things that have been in any movies. Well done, super well done.
Speaker 2:And then you know and you don't think just to jump right into like overarching things did that earn you enough goodwill for them to do what they did, or did it still not matter as much to you?
Speaker 1:I didn't care about any of the characters, so you know Well, that does make it tougher.
Speaker 2:You don't automatically care about Nick Cage. Nick comes on screen. I'm like you're right, I'm attached.
Speaker 1:Love this guy oh no, he's such a giant dick through the whole movie to everyone. He's just like wow he is.
Speaker 2:He's not a nice guy, but you know his wife died, so he's not a nice guy.
Speaker 1:Wait, that's hold on so when you're, when you have a wife die, it's like, yep, I'm going to be a dick the rest of my life, my kid walks into the room and it's like hey dad, she thought he might have had more time.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:You know, the kid walks into the room, he's like dad, I love you. And he's all like have you done your homework? Because I have to drink a lot of alcohol, don't you see? Busy boy, you know. But the flip side of his weird brooding is it's not brooding enough. In my opinion, he's just kind of like this sort of nightmare monotone, disciplinary. He's all like did you do your homework? Did you do this? Well, no, you can't have a cupcake.
Speaker 2:Cupcakes aren't allowed for those like you, but let me ask you Okay, in the final scene Well, not quite the final scene, but when he is saying goodbye to his son, yeah, did that come back around for you?
Speaker 2:Because I think the idea is is that he is disconnected because he's you know, he's going through some shit and that whole classroom scene where he's like you know, shit happens, I don't know. He doesn't seem to care about anything through some shit and that whole classroom scene where he's like you know, shit happens, I don't. He doesn't seem to care about anything. Honestly, what you're saying. His character journey is supposed to end in that moment where he's like oh shit, I love you, I want the best for you, I fucked up, I'm gonna stay behind, like all you know all that.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it worked, but I do feel like that's what they were going for see, I, I think that I, I think there is some of that in there, but I also think that you're projecting on this movie the movie that you want this movie to be.
Speaker 2:That's almost always what I do, that's kind of my thing.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Because thematically I really enjoy this movie a lot. I like the idea it takes some big swings, which I really appreciate. Yeah, it takes some big swings, which I really appreciate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's good. See, you'll be sitting there watching the movie that this movie isn't, because this movie isn't pulling off all these things, and you're just going to be like, yeah, but think about, if this was good, then it would be good.
Speaker 2:Here's what I would posit I do think it's good. I think it's above average, maybe not quite good, but do think it's good. I think it's like. I think it's above average, maybe not quite good, but I think it's above average. But I think the idea is phenomenal, like I love the idea and they there's moments you know what I mean like they try to get the notes, that I think, like when he realizes that there there is no actual reason for him to get these the messages yeah, because he takes it upon himself he's like, oh, I'm supposed to stop these disasters, sure. And then there's that moment in the office where he's staring out at the sun, he's realized the world's going to end and he's like, what was the point of getting these numbers if I'm not supposed to stop it? That needs to be a bigger moment, character-wise, but I love that moment.
Speaker 1:If he actually let me rephrase this the script actually articulated that he was trying to solve the problem. I think it would have been a lot better, and one of the things they do in this movie with the character is he'll be going to do something and someone who he supposedly cares about or loves or whatever will be like what's going on? Why don't you articulate what's going on? And he just doesn't even talk to them. Nope, he just ignores them. You don't exist to me. It's your classic thing where it's like there's a monster coming and we need to do something. I'm not going to tell you there's a monster coming. I'm going to run past you and start pouring the ingredients in a bowl, as opposed to doing the primary thing that you should be doing, which is communicating and like yeah he doesn't communicate at all, and it's this pathway of me not liking this guy at all and so I think that's totally fair.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's, that's 100 right so I just become disconnected from those whole gigantic sections of the movie. Sure, you know where I mean it's. He's. He's a good actor and he gets stuff across, but you do have to lead the audience a little bit into what his thinking is.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, no, I agree, that's I agree with every every word, every line you just said. I agree it's not terrible, though that's where we would differ.
Speaker 1:No, it's not I want to I want to say because you know most people drop out of this show pretty quickly.
Speaker 2:Um so, if you haven't seen this movie, go on youtube and watch the plane crash scene.
Speaker 1:Oh well, that's, it is fucking phenomenal the flight, the plane crash scene is. You know, it's a 10 out of 10 segment in a movie. I mean it is so good literally unbelievable.
Speaker 1:How and that's the other thing that's kind of depressing is you're like you see a scene that is directed perfectly, that's visualized perfectly, that's sound, designed perfectly. It's like they said it took them. I think it took them two days to set up and two days to shoot and they were kind of like not whining about it but kind of like groaning about it. I'm like good God, if you set that up and then shot that in two days, you should be the happiest people on the planet, because you well sure you've truly created art, you know like, as a short film, it's, it's, it's, you know five five to seven minutes of perfection really good
Speaker 2:in film and we do not get a lot of that yeah, and I like I get it because they do shoot it. It's one shot, right, it's one continuous shot, which is awesome. It's unreal. It's a mixture of CG and practical effects, which is great. Obviously, it's 2009, so they don't look perfect, obviously, but they look good. So I get it's a lot of work and I'm sure two days of filming five minutes would get annoying I guess you know what I mean, I guess. But wow, it's totally worth it.
Speaker 1:And I mean, that's kind of the thing with movies like this, is they spend more time with him sort of running around or brooding or doing this, that or the other thing, as opposed to, like you know, really being in it. I saw somebody talking about the Succession TV show, which I don't watch, but they say that they have multiple sort of cameramen and they don't tell the actors when they're going to be on screen, so they're always acting right.
Speaker 1:And so everybody on that show is real actors and so you get to really see what's going on and you know you can see their internal struggle and it's like let's do that. You know, let's see this accident and let's yeah, let's spend 10 minutes afterwards. You know what he's going through yeah, because this is a movie that could do it, you know, but they it's almost a movie that could do it, you know, but they.
Speaker 2:It's almost a movie that should do it, because the questions, like the overarching questions that it asks, are all about like humanity, afterlife, like those. You know what I mean. Like it's not a religious movie, but there are religious themes in it. Would you consider it a religious movie Based on the? Ending yes, so the ending is interesting, right, and we will definitely talk about it. I would not consider it a religious movie because I don't think it posits answers. I think it suggests questions, because I mean, are they aliens, are they angels?
Speaker 1:Are the angels angels. The angels are angels are they?
Speaker 2:I don't know, because here's another theory that I was thinking. It's like what if? What if? It's positing and maybe that we're too soon to talk it could be positing that aliens are controlling the human race in a way, right that these aliens are the godlike creatures that came and are like well, time, time to start over guys. Oh, yeah, you know that doesn't have to be God, we don't know. Yeah, no, I don't know.
Speaker 1:So we start in 1959. There's a little girl. She's looking out in the distance. There's a sort of dude looking there. She looks at the sun. They're going to celebrate opening day. This little girl's named Lucinda. They've got a time capsule that's going in the ground in 1959, which is going to be pulled out in 2009. And the teacher is like all you little children draw what the future is like.
Speaker 1:All the other kids are drawing rocket ships and spacemen and whatnot, and she's just writing out a big list of numbers and then she gets to the end of the numbers and she wants to keep writing and the teacher tears away the thing and puts it in the time capsule.
Speaker 2:Which is like a dick move. You didn't give real parameters. Her excuse is I told you to draw a picture, but you can let her do whatever she wants until she's done. Okay, that's just bad teaching.
Speaker 1:But they also set up that she hasn't finished what she's doing there, correct, yeah, yeah, I guess she just missed the last six or eight little letters, I guess.
Speaker 2:Okay, so that works. Yeah, a couple of numbers there, yeah.
Speaker 1:So they dedicate the school, they drop it in there. Lucinda's gone. They find Lucinda's gone. They find Lucinda. She's in the basement and she's clawing on a door the final few numbers with her bloody fingers.
Speaker 2:Now here's a question, Tan. All of these kids look happy and healthy, and then we get to Lucinda and she looks like she's going through some shit.
Speaker 1:Because the whispers. She's constantly being whispered. She's already kind of losing it. Okay, we get to her and she's constantly being whispered.
Speaker 2:She's already kind of losing it. Okay, it's like we get to her and she's like she's gone. She's got bags under her eyes and I was like nobody's helping this child. This child is going through it, man 1959, they're not going to be giving kids.
Speaker 1:We didn't care. Slap across the face is what that kid's got, you know.
Speaker 2:Just knock some sense back into it.
Speaker 1:Guys, give it a shot all right, please, please, stop stop going through it. Stop listening to the whisper men. Get your act together. Hello, hello, all right. So boom, we're on earth. Ominous music. We meet caleb, who's the boy? He's looking at saturn through a telescope, telescope. And, uh, yeah and um, nick cage, whose name is like jeff or something, john, john, yeah just like in the bible wow, that's pretty biblically, caleb, biblically, biblically, um biblically.
Speaker 1:And then he's like, you know, is there life on other planets? And then the kid does well, they're foreshadowing there, dan.
Speaker 2:Are they aliens? I don't know. But you see, at the same time the kid does well See foreshadowing there, dan. Are they aliens? I don't know.
Speaker 1:But you see, at the same time the kid kind of turns into Robot Kid and is all like there's 10 million. He sort of mansplains to his dad who's an astrophysicist and you're kind of like, oh okay, the first sort of interaction we have with this kid he's mansplaining to his very smart dad and then we never do that again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is weird, it's a weird character moment that they don't really pay off, because I kind of thought that he was going to be, you know, spectrum-y or something, and then they just don't. They drop that and they're like now he's just a regular kid. Okay, I don't, they drop that and they're like now he's just a regular kid.
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't get it. He's also kind of deaf. He's not deaf, but he mixes up mixes up the sounds but they also. He has a hearing aid which doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2:So it's right. Cause is that going to make them not disoriented? Like I don't know? I don't totally get it. I don't totally get it. Here's what I got out of the first scene Right? He makes hot dogs every Sunday and I wish I was there. That's it Good dad.
Speaker 1:You know Well, that's going to change. The kid is watching Tigers on TV. Tomorrow's a time capsule day, and then dad's like get to bed. I got to go, hit the bottle and look at an unopened present. So I guess the present is something he was going to give to his wife who is dead. Yeah, for birthday, christmas, whatever anytime, just Wednesday maybe.
Speaker 2:Sometimes they just gift exchange.
Speaker 1:Now did you automatically know that that was a gift for the mom or not a gift from the mom?
Speaker 2:I assumed it was actually a gift from the wife for some reason, and then she died before and he was just like. I can't open it you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:That's what I assumed. The opposite is true.
Speaker 2:Which is a weird choice, but it is what it is.
Speaker 1:I just think it's kind of interesting that we both got to that conclusion because that's that would be the net.
Speaker 2:if you are giving the gift, yeah, why am I afraid to open it? Because you're not going to do anything with it, right, like I? Hey, I already know what it is. So, like, I don, like, I don't even technically need to open it because I know what it is and if I want it I can grab it because it's there. She's not going to open it, you know, she gone.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:There's probably a better way to set that up, where he, like you know, touches the present and then looks at her Sure.
Speaker 2:Looks at a picture of her.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I don't know if that would tell it to you either I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, stupid movie, terrible movie. It's the worst movie we've ever done.
Speaker 1:We're at MIT where he's teaching. He's teaching the kids about randomness versus determinants. And you know why is the Earth at the right distance from the sun, so that everything works here. You're like, well, we're just the lucky one, it just happened that way.
Speaker 2:And that's, I believe, what he's saying in the beginning. But then he comes around to the other side. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:It's an interesting movie, Dan. I mean, there are interesting concepts that could have been drawn from this movie.
Speaker 2:It takes. As I said before, this movie takes big swings. Is it 100% successful? Of course not. Of course not, but I enjoy the swings. Also, who's in this scene? Dan Ben Mendelsohn Is he? I don't know, Is that the guy? Is that the friend? Yeah, Ben Mendelsohn Great, no One of the students who catches the sun is. Oh boy, it's Liam Hemsworth, Dan. It's one of the Hemsworth brothers and he's one of the students. I think it's one of his first roles.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:It's just a fun. I saw his face and I was like, hey, that's fun.
Speaker 1:Well, he's so amazing he didn't leave any impression on me. Dan doesn't even remember him.
Speaker 2:So his friend Ben Mendelsohn playing Phil, who's a real actor who people care about. Wow, all right, Liam Hemsworth was in Hunger Games, sir the kids love him.
Speaker 1:Was he real? I mean, did he come back in like the last ones and do something? Because he certainly didn't do anything in the first one.
Speaker 2:I only watched the first one and then I kind of fell off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think I watched the last last one and there was like this whole courtyard that got filled with oil. It's very strange, oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Like the whole capital city was a giant trap. Oh sure, that's tough Theilers ahead everybody, Poor construction crews.
Speaker 1:You know, make this so burning oil will fill up this entire area. They're all like should we really do that?
Speaker 2:Yes, we should do it, do it right now.
Speaker 1:So he comes in and he's his one friend. So he does have a friend.
Speaker 2:Everybody needs one.
Speaker 1:That's all you need in a movie like this that's all you need, baby. He does a whole. You know they talk about more determinism and then he's trying to set up a dinner. You know, I have a lady friend and he's all like, no, no, I don't know, maybe it's very expensive. His wife is dead.
Speaker 2:His wife is dead.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, he explains it and he says that he's not ready for that sort of that sort of thing. You know, not ready. Um, he goes to time capsule bay.
Speaker 2:He's a little late, because that's what it's a weird another weird character moment which he, like almost forgets to go and then remembers, but that doesn't really inform anything else in the movie. Again, I don't know it's. There's some weird setups that they don't stick with and I I don't, I don't totally get it they love that.
Speaker 1:They always think that if, like dad's not showing up for the, you know the recital yeah, that means something. And blah, you know, it's like a shorthand scene thing. And you're, just like he does show up, we don't need it you know he's just a little late.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. So what's? What's that weird middle ground? If he doesn't show up, he's a bad dad. If he does show up, you know, he's a supportive dad. The middle ground is weird. It's a it's, it's a non-choice, almost kind of like that's a lot. Of this movie goes very middle, non-choice, and it's 100 and sometimes I like it, sometimes I don't, you know, and so maybe I'm the hypocrite you are.
Speaker 1:Um, wow, that's harsh dan they crack open the, the time capsule, and then there's letters inside, and so all the children are like give me a letter, give me a letter these children are terrible.
Speaker 2:They're ravenous for these letters. They're running over other kids. Whose choice was this? Just have them hand them out in an orderly fashion. Kids don't care about this sort of thing.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry the kids do not want to just open a thing and see a drawing. Another kid did. 50 years ago. Some idiot kid drew 50 years ago.
Speaker 2:That's gonna be shit. It's not gonna mean anything. Why would I want to open this?
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm a nerdy kid and I would be like oh, what's in that time capsule? And if you told me letters from stupid kids, I'd have been like why would you do this?
Speaker 2:whose idea was this 50 years ago?
Speaker 1:this means nothing, you're supposed to put a bunch of cool stuff so I can pull out some old comic books.
Speaker 2:Yes, exact things that mean something to you as a kid Something cool.
Speaker 1:Nope, I would have been very excited if, at a time, there were old comic books or something that you're like wow, that is old.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and cool.
Speaker 1:It's a drawing. Nope, lou Gehrig's head or something, something cool, his real head, yeah, head human head.
Speaker 2:Human head in there.
Speaker 1:Uh, they fight for the envelopes and then he gets the number. Our boy, caleb, gets the numbers one and then the whispering starts. And I'm assuming this is when the whispering starts in his existence. Right, it seems that way because he doesn't.
Speaker 2:That's right. It seems that way because he doesn't understand what's happening.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But that doesn't make sense, dan, because Lucinda heard whispers and then wrote the numbers yes. How would it happen inversely later?
Speaker 1:Is he?
Speaker 2:still chosen, then that doesn't really make sense.
Speaker 1:He's completely chosen. Yeah, this was meant to go to him I.
Speaker 2:I understand that that's what the movie's saying, but why would he just start like it? He should have heard the whispers already and then found this thing and been like, oh, now I'm connecting dots or something. But she heard the whispers wrote the letter. He finds the letter, then hears the whispers. I don the letter. He finds the letter, then here's the whispers. I don't understand those two things. Well, once again, this.
Speaker 1:This is a screenwriter problem, right I? Mean no, I I'm being critical of this movie because they're like you say. There is something here that if, if you spent some time honing it, it could be really interesting.
Speaker 2:You know, and I'm honing it.
Speaker 1:It could be really interesting. Like we said, there are the scenes in this movie that you're like okay, you've got the set pieces in this movie, oh yeah. You're having this and they're not doing a good job of supporting them, right? If you figure out your set pieces, and your set pieces are all going to be good.
Speaker 2:I would wager great, the train crash is also really well done and then you know, the final scene is, uh, devastating and awesome the spaceship is, yeah, this when the spaceship comes down cool, yeah, they're all like, okay, this, this could all work, um, but it's.
Speaker 1:It's these little things where we're gonna find out at the end that that caleb is a chosen one and this other little girl, whatever her name was, is also a chosen one. I have it written down when we get I'm sure you do.
Speaker 2:I don't write down names at all we needed to.
Speaker 1:He didn't ever do anything in this movie that made him a chosen one.
Speaker 2:Yes, so you know, except for that beginning moment where he seems super, super, super, super smart, right, maybe if he's super smart and they're like we need that to rebuild the human race, like he's a, he's a candidate, yeah, I would buy that. But he drops the whole smart thing immediately.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we set him up as smart and then the dad should have said something that's like Caleb, you know you blow it off. You know you're the smartest kid. You know you're the smartest kid. You know I wasn't half as smart as you when I was your age and you're like, oh, this kid's smart, you know, because they also sort of set up that her and the other little girl, him and the other little girl, are into animals. Yeah, and you're like that means something.
Speaker 1:Well, let's explore what it means to him and the animals you know yeah, what does that even? Mean, you know, give us a little more. And then, like, with this letter thing, what if he had gone up there and she was handing out letters and he just stood there and she handed someone a letter and you know he could take the letter. And then he waits, and then he takes a particular letter and you're like, whoa, you're going to have a moment. If he's called by the letter, you're like okay, this means something.
Speaker 1:But, instead, he just gets the letter and the whispering starts. And you immediately go to the thriller thing where it's like, okay, now he's infected with the whispering, he's going to start writing the numbers, yeah. But that's not the case. The case is that they're sort of giving him information, sort of.
Speaker 2:Sort of yeah, sort of Sort of yeah, kind of I don't know.
Speaker 1:He wants to go to sleepover with his buddies and he's all like you shouldn't have brought this home. Oh, he took the letter. He took the letter yeah. He gets mad at him for the letter and doesn't let him go to the sleepover. I didn't understand that. Why is let him go to the sleepover? You're just like I didn't understand that.
Speaker 2:Why is he saying no to the sleepover Just because he's bad dad mode?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's bad dad mode. What it is is he should just be protective. Right, he's maybe hyper protective of the kid, sure, but he's not. He's not. He's just sort of like I'm a dick and you can't do anything.
Speaker 2:You can't be a child, okay, I don't want a child.
Speaker 1:You can't be a child, yeah, and it's just it doesn't really modulate and it doesn't take us anywhere. He's sitting there watching videos of mom hitting the bottle, so then he gets down the numbers and he's looking at them and then he sets them on the table and then he sets the whiskey on it and the whiskey sort of makes a circle. Yeah, and I did not get what the circle was. I was like, oh it's, it's circled something. It's circled 9-11.
Speaker 2:Oh, I didn't, I didn't see that at all. Got it? Yeah, so the circle in circles, those numbers 9, 11 and then the number of death. I'm so sorry everybody, I don't recall it's 2000 something. Yeah, so I feel like a bad patriot right there.
Speaker 1:Whoops, so he he has the realization that that is, that is the date, and then a number of people that died, and so then he starts going through the whole thing and he realizes that this is series of things that have happened. So it's date dead. And then another bonus number which we don't learn about yet. Which we don't learn about yet First of all, you know I mean I, I understand the conceit of this the deaths thing. You don't know how many people died in 9-11.
Speaker 2:100%. Yeah, yeah, I get what you're saying.
Speaker 1:Is it the number that the New York Times reports?
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 1:And this movie gives us enough time to sort of have to think about that. Sure Right, if you're going to give us time to think about that, because that's what this movie does. It gives you a lot of time. Well, it's over two hours long.
Speaker 2:Two hours long.
Speaker 1:I have no problem with movies being long, but if you're going to give us time to think about things and not fill them, in with other interesting things. We're going to be thinking about them. We're going to be like that. So he figures it out. The kid says Dad, you're acting awkward.
Speaker 2:Awkward. Yeah, I mean, he's a little awkward, right.
Speaker 1:No, it's not awkward, you're acting weird.
Speaker 2:Well, sure, I mean, he is weird.
Speaker 1:Awkward is when you act oddly in front of other people.
Speaker 2:Awkward is when he's in the museum talking to rose burke, which we'll get to in a minute.
Speaker 1:that's awkward you've set up an awkward situation where people are uncomfortable right, yeah, you can't, you can't really be.
Speaker 2:If you're, if you're just telling your kids stuff, it's probably you're not being awkward, you're being weird although you know, to be fair, I also felt like nick was a little awkward in some parts of this movie. He stands with his feet really far apart. It's ready for action. Is that what it is? I don't know like it, I didn't. It was a. There's a couple moments in the in the film where we see him like standing. I think one is right before the plane crashes. One is at the end. I noticed it the most at the end when the ship takes off and he's standing there in the field looking up. His feet are further than shoulder width apart. Oh wow, and that's fine, but it's weird. You're standing by yourself and your feet are really far apart. I don't know, I thought that was interesting, so that's kind of awkward. And then he walks.
Speaker 1:Is it weird or awkward, Tony.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're right, it's more weird than it is awkward. You're right, the kid's an idiot.
Speaker 1:But it is also awkward in that, you know, awkward also can mean like hard to navigate right. Sure, sure it's an awkward. You know an awkward path to walk.
Speaker 2:Which must be what he was doing after the train crash, because I don't know if you noticed how he was walking out of the rubble. Everyone else is walking very normally and he's like kind of like a monster. You know how like zombies learn to walk Like. That's what it reminded me of Okay.
Speaker 1:So he realizes he goes and he tells Phil, his buddy, and he's like tomorrow 81 people are going to die. And it turns out the wife dying was a disaster and she's on the list. And then he yells at Phil.
Speaker 2:Phil, I love it. That's what he wrote down. And then he yells at him.
Speaker 1:It's like why are you yelling at Phil?
Speaker 2:Well, because Phil's an idiot. Phil's not an idiot, phil is an idiot.
Speaker 1:He says something. He's a genius.
Speaker 2:He says something in the scene where it's. Isn't this a scene where he tells him that he's seeing what he wants to see in the numbers? Yeah, I know. Phil look at how many there are. I understand. If there's two or three on that sheet, I get it. It's every. Every other number is a perfect date. That's not finding a pattern that you want to find.
Speaker 1:That is a pattern, guy that is a pattern, that son of a bitch no, and what you should say is like you know, how do you, how do you juice the system where you're like, well, somebody put that list in there, right, sure, right. So it's a prank. A hundred percent, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:You've made this pattern up, okay, I don't see any of these numbers.
Speaker 1:So he's going to go see the old lady? Oh, the teacher. He goes to see the school teacher because Lucinda is dead. The teacher remembers Lucinda, but she also is having memory problems. She recounts that there dead. The teacher remembers Lucinda, but she also is having memory problems. She recounts that there were missing numbers and then the numbers were on the door. So he now knows there's numbers on the door. Then Lucinda died, yeah, Terrible tragedy, Boom.
Speaker 2:But she had a kid. Now I'm not saying Lucinda. Oh yeah, that surprised me. It's surprising only because she seems like starting from a child when she's scratching numbers into a door. All the way until the day she died she was tormented. Yeah, she really had time to fall in love and birth a child and raise the child. I'm going to tell you something, tony.
Speaker 1:Okay, tell it to me. Back in the 50s and 60s, people just got married.
Speaker 2:Women just did it.
Speaker 1:Okay, alright, women married terrible, terrible people and men married terrible, terrible women, and it was like you didn't have the Snapchat and the Venmo you had to like.
Speaker 2:Stop, stop. What are you using, venmo?
Speaker 1:for here. Dan, that was a joke, tony no, dad, I like it um, you know you, just you. You know you'd go to church and then you'd be like, oh, I'm married to that guy because I saw him, I went on one date.
Speaker 2:We're married. Married, we're done. What a wild time to be alive, huh.
Speaker 1:When you look at the past it's freaking weird. We have so much opportunity kind of stuff now. Oh, totally.
Speaker 2:Kids with their.
Speaker 1:Spotify can listen to any song. Did you hear the weird thing where Spotify is making up all this fake music?
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, no, no, what. What do you mean? Like ai music?
Speaker 1:yeah, I kind of like that so spotify right has to pay the artists right money. Yeah, for sure. So what they're?
Speaker 2:doing now enough, by the way, if we're getting on that. But yeah, continue but there's so much.
Speaker 1:It's money, it's expensive for them. Oh for sure, yeah so what they're doing is they're having an AI make a bunch of shitty music and then making a playlist and then trying to trick you into listening to the playlist.
Speaker 2:I feel like it would work on me. I'd like to be. Someone should test this on me. I think I'd fall for it pretty hard. Oh, guinea pig, tony, I mean, I listen to a lot of pop punk, which is very formulaic. If you listen to any of the haters, it's very formulaic. So it might work it is very formulaic.
Speaker 1:Um, so the whisper men are, are, uh they. The caleb sees them outside and the whisper men draw him over to their car and they give him a magic rock.
Speaker 2:What is the magic rock to him? No, I was going to ask you that question, Dan, because I still don't know.
Speaker 1:You know I'm looking about, you know, because I watched most of the movie. I watched half the movie this morning and then half about three days ago, so it's like kind of you know. Oh, okay, so like there's a couple of things in the beginning that I didn't quite remember, that sort of sync up. So I'm like, oh, that syncs up, so that's good. The rock thing never synced up for me.
Speaker 2:No, so I'm super confused by it, right Cause the Lucinda has a whole pile of rocks Under her bed at some point, so they keep Giving her rocks.
Speaker 1:Maybe the rocks intensify your Whisper man experience, I guess.
Speaker 2:I mean I guess, but doesn't Rose burn? Find one on top of the payphone when she's calling.
Speaker 1:There was another rock laying around somewhere. I thought it was on the ground but yeah. I think you're right. There was a rock laying around.
Speaker 2:And maybe the kid dropped it, then I don't know. I'm confused.
Speaker 1:Maybe when the kids got kidnapped, there was a rock left behind. I think that's what you said. Yeah, there was. Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:So they drive off and then she runs to the pay phone to call and the rock is on top. And then she's like, oh, whoever these people are took them. But then at the end, when the spaceship comes, they're in a field of those rocks. Oh, were they? Yeah. So when he drives that truck down past the mom's house and into that field where they land, that's all. The ground is covered in those rocks. So I was like, is it just them telling them where to go?
Speaker 1:Yeah, to get picked up, maybe Because I was not paying attention at that point. So, yeah, I think that's right. I think you're right. You had the answer, tony.
Speaker 2:I don't know, because I looked online for this and nobody said that. No one thinks that that's the answer. I think that's too simplistic of an answer. Some people are like it's a metaphor for loss, somehow or something.
Speaker 1:I don't know. No, I think you're right. It's like you know, we're taking your kids. Here's a rock. We're going to the place of the rocks because they're stupid aliens. Yeah maybe Well they can't just walk up to somebody and say, hey, world's ending tomorrow.
Speaker 2:Hey, by the by. Yeah, they can open their mouth and shoot light, though by the by.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they can open their mouth and shoot light, though. That's pretty fun. Uh, so kids are magic. Rock vibes the kid. So the dad, you know, wants to kill them. And then he vibes the kid about doing homework, and then his sister shows up and he yells at her. Her name is her name is grace. Always a good thing to yell at the girl named Grace.
Speaker 2:Well, you know more religious themes here.
Speaker 1:We learn that his mom and dad, his dad's a pastor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they don't talk anymore because he's a man of science.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll get to that which is really interesting, the whole pastor thing very weird. And then you know, then he's just like eh, I don't want to talk to them, screw them Then. As the sister's leaving, she says I'll pray for you. Yeah, talk, talk to me about that line, tony uh, what?
Speaker 2:what do you want me to say? Thoughts and prayers did.
Speaker 1:Did you think that was a line that that character should have delivered?
Speaker 2:well, I mean apparently the family's pretty religious are they?
Speaker 1:did they make the? Did you do that whole thing with not the daughter? No, then why did she?
Speaker 2:say I for you? Well, because I think she's supposed to be, because she's the peacekeeper, right, I understand that, but no, I'm just trying to defend it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, I'm not, I'm not saying it makes sense. If, if the sister was part of you know, you've spent so much time around dad, dad's in your thing and she's all like you know. His message resounds, you know, but they make her very, very much not religious, I felt.
Speaker 2:She, she. Because I mean that is her role, right? She's the in between between both of them, she sees both sides, she plays both sides, you know. So it's.
Speaker 1:That's the, you hit it. She plays both sides, so her saying that is instigating him you're absolutely right. Yeah, it's a dig, yeah it's a dig and she shouldn't have done that yeah, interesting, yeah interesting and and that's the whole key to movies and everything is and I think movies have a problem a lot of times. They have a problem with this is because you end up at the end and you're all like, well, either nobody's looking at it or you have no ability to change that line.
Speaker 1:Well, you could ADR it. You know like have like a like a moth fly over her mouth.
Speaker 2:You know CGI moth, and then she can say see, you later see you later. See you later, see you later Great.
Speaker 1:Great, we fixed it Cut Print Problem solved. Okay. So Boba Pliff at 12 am exactly he's watching the news because he knows this is the day that another thing's happened.
Speaker 1:Oil rig almost explodes. Nope, this is when it gets really weird. Okay, it becomes like 3.30 am, but then he wakes up and he slept all day and the kid has gone to school, but then he has to pick the kid up at like 10 or something. I got super confused at the timing of all this. I think that's fair. Yeah, I think that I'm confused timing of all this.
Speaker 2:I think that's fair. Yeah, I think that I'm confused. The way I'm looking at it, right, yeah, is the kid woke up, got on the bus, but it's a half day at school and the buses are not running because they have to take other people someplace.
Speaker 1:So he's picking up the kid at 10 am. Oh no, picking up in 10 minutes. 10 minutes, yeah, he said 10 minutes, but it is, it's, it's.
Speaker 2:It's still early, though, right I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know, it was so weird, like how did?
Speaker 2:you sleep well, because he was up till three and you know it. Just like I told you, the other day, I slept. I overslept by four hours, stan. That's a lot of time to oversleep, so I get it.
Speaker 1:But if he went to sleep at 3.30 and slept, for eight hours.
Speaker 2:He'd wake up at like 11. 11.30.
Speaker 1:If a kid's getting out at 3.
Speaker 2:He slept for 17 hours. Okay, Get off his back. He was a tired boy.
Speaker 1:All right, he hasn't really done anything. Why is he so tired?
Speaker 2:He's stressed, you know yelling at everybody. It's very stressful.
Speaker 1:So he's in the rain and he realizes that the last section of numbers on the list is latitude and longitude. Latitude and longitude. And amazingly, he has, like a garment or whatever, that he can type that in.
Speaker 2:Well, I was trying to think about it. It's 2009. Maybe those were popular Because, you know, when you used to go on vacation you'd have to get like a portable GPS because the cars didn't have them yet. I don't know. I was thinking about that too. It's fine.
Speaker 1:I mean now you just do it on your phone. You'd be like latitude lock, but yeah just google that shit. But it's fine, it makes sense, it makes perfect sense so he realizes that this is the location, but he doesn't really react that this is the, you know.
Speaker 2:He kind of is like I I like the way he reacts, because it's almost disbelief, right, because he's looking at the things and he says oh, they're locations, and then he puts it down. He looks back and he goes it's this location, like he has like a question about it, and then he never lets it sink in, which, I think, is the problem.
Speaker 2:I think there needs to be another beat in the truck before he leaves where he's, where he suddenly is oh shit, it's this location it's almost like I mean you could spend a second and he could like take his phone. Wait, his cell phone right yeah, he's got a cell phone. Cell phone, just not a smartphone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, calls his buddy, ben mendelsohn, who's playing phil, incredible actor. And he says the last number they're, they're location, the longitude and latitude. He's all like, oh, let me look at that. And then he gets out of the car and he's all like I'm going to see what's happening. Maybe you know he's like and you're at that one. He's like yeah, I mean what's happening? Well, there's something going on up in front of us.
Speaker 2:Oh, maybe Let me go look.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let me go look. Just if you give us a little more like that as to what, what his motivations are and what he expects to have happened, then you can either subvert that or make it come true, yeah, and then that's going to either push him away or reinforce it. You know we're going to. He just he middle grounds everything he middle grounds it.
Speaker 2:That's, that's the theme of the movie middle ground.
Speaker 1:We don't make a decision. Okay, so he gets out of the car because something's going on on the highway. Everybody gets out. And then what?
Speaker 2:happens, Tony? Well, two things are going to happen, Dan. This is my one of two problems with. The movie happens right now.
Speaker 2:What Okay, let me explain to you what it is. So he approaches the I think he's a police officer, highway patrol, something like that. Yeah, what's happening? Nothing, get back in your car. Then the highway patrol looking at nicholas cage looks above nicholas cage and fear is in his eyes. He turns around and runs. Nick does a full 180. This is all very important. He does a 180 to look backwards on the highway with fear in his eyes. Then we cut to behind to see what they're looking at. And they're looking at nothing because the plane is coming from like the east or whatever it's like. It's at degrees. I don't understand what they're looking at.
Speaker 1:It's so weird.
Speaker 2:You wanted the cop to track up here and be like he has to because he's looking this way, nick looks this way, and then the camera pans all the way to the right. It's like now the plane's coming. That's very confusing.
Speaker 1:However, setting that aside, Hold on, I'm going to do my real quick thing. Sight lines are the most important thing. That's what you learn when you start puppetry. You have to make sure your puppet's always looking at what they're supposed to be looking at.
Speaker 2:You have to do that, because Otherwise it doesn't make any sense, because people get very confused If that otherwise it doesn't make any sense, because people get very confused.
Speaker 1:You know, if your puppet's looking this way and and he's responding to someone over here, everyone's gonna be like what the fuck?
Speaker 2:is happening? What's happening? What is going on? Who is he talking to right now?
Speaker 1:yes, you you know who is he talking to. Okay, what I did?
Speaker 2:I was very discombobulated after that mess after that second, uh, pure movie, magic happens. Dan could sell, yeah, a plane coming down on. Whatever this access is. It's like flipped on its x right the wing like cuts across the road and gets severed off and then it crashes into a field. And then we pan back to nick and he's like, holy, he's running in the field and then we get people coming at him covered in fire, which is really cool. A weird moment here where a guy is running by him in fire and he goes, hey, hey, I don't know what he's trying to say to the guy that's on fire.
Speaker 1:Well, I think he wanted him to stop, so he could try and help him.
Speaker 2:Let me put you out, maybe I'm too scared, just keeps running, maybe, like I'm too scared, just keeps running. And then my favorite part is there's a group of people in the background and then we pan over to them and you're like, oh, there's a group of survivors, and then the fucking engine explodes and they all blow up. It is an awesome scene. It is great. It's tense. Nick is wonderful. You know, like the fear and all this stuff. An awesome scene, it is great. It's tense. Nick is wonderful. You know, like the fear and all this stuff. And then he pulls the guy out of the thing, tries to do CPR and pull him off. It's a wonderful scene. It's beautiful.
Speaker 1:There's another person who is completely on fire. In the fire he tries to get out and they just burn to death in front of his eyes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yes, it is intense, you guys, it's awesome, it's a great scene, it's a great scene he doesn't really react to it afterwards, he's kind of oh, after it all happens yeah Well, we cut away. Yeah, we cut away, it's fine. This took us two days to shoot. We're done, let's just move on.
Speaker 1:We needed to have him on the cell phone afterwards talking to the kid, and just the kid's, like Dad, where are you? And he's just going to be like take a taxi home.
Speaker 2:I'll be there, just in shock.
Speaker 1:He's just like his brain is melted. Yes, but his brain isn't melted.
Speaker 2:He's traumatized brain is melted.
Speaker 1:Yes, but his brain isn't melted. He's traumatized. He goes home. He's traumatized. Yeah, the kid's worried and then he's still in the midst of his trauma, is still the same dick dad. He's all like no TV for you and the kid's like I'm not a kid anymore and you're like I don't know, there just needed to be something there that was like more than you know. Maybe he starts crying and the kid has to comfort him or something Show that the kid's not a kid, that would be cool yeah just show us that kid's not a kid, because that line doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2:Stan, because he's a child.
Speaker 1:Well, he is, but he isn't. He's also like. I actually liked that line. I thought that was a really good line because the kid is saying I have some emotional understanding of what's going on with you. I'm not just a kid who you have to lead around. I have some emotional understanding. And that was a point where you could see him understand that his kid has emotional understanding.
Speaker 2:And he's just like-. I feel like you're doing what I do.
Speaker 1:Tim.
Speaker 2:I don't think the movie does a great job. At this I agree with you, and I would love that to be the moment.
Speaker 1:It's not there, it's not on screen, but it's a great character moment that should be there. Yeah, okay, so talks to his buddy. Oh, station wagon pulls up, it's his buddy. They talk about synchronicity. Uh, they realize there's two more disasters and they realize that the bad guys, the whisper people, are watching. Um, oh. Then one of the whisper guys gets in the house. The Whisper people are watching, oh. Then one of the Whisper guys gets in the house and then he shows.
Speaker 1:Caleb a vision through a round window of the entire world on fire, forest fire that goes on forever. There's burning mooses.
Speaker 2:What do?
Speaker 1:you think about the burning moose? That's pretty cool.
Speaker 2:So sad. Yeah, you know, because the animals are so sweet, they're're so innocent. I don't like to see them in pain. And obviously you know cgi, I understand, I understand no animals were hurt, but still I don't like to see it pretty creepy I'm all four people burning up in a plane crash right in front of my eyes, him pulling a half just an upper torso out of the thing. That's all great, but you put an animal on fire. I'm upset.
Speaker 1:I'm upset by it. I like it. Lost Tony. He gets up there, caleb's on the floor and then he sees the bad whisper man out there, chases after him with a bat and he hits a tree with the bat. He goes.
Speaker 2:You want some of this.
Speaker 1:It was true. Yes, I listen, you want some of this, it's true.
Speaker 2:Yes, listen, I understand what they're going for, it's not. It's funny. It's funny and not like an intimidating hey, I'm saving my kid kind of way. It's just silly, it's fine. I let it slide. You know what I mean. I'm not going to hold it against you, but it was a silly moment and we should have thought of something else.
Speaker 1:So now he wants to go and spy on the prophet girl Lucinda's family. Somehow she knows where the family is, sees the family, follows the family, goes to a museum and then he starts. The kids meet each other. He ditches the kid to follow her, but then the two kids meet each other. It's.
Speaker 2:Abby. He sends his son to the same exhibit as the girl is at somehow knowing that they're going to hit it off. Okay, sure Love connection. Maybe he just knows his kid's a ladies man, yeah let me work on this.
Speaker 1:I got this.
Speaker 2:Then he starts chatting up the woman in like a creepy weird way and she should not agree to have lunch with him oh, you see, that's the thing is.
Speaker 1:I thought he did it really good, I thought it, I thought the initial line was creepy I thought the initial line was creepy, but then he, he's all like I just wanted to make sure because that's your he didn't act like he was being like if I was going to do that I'd have been like, oh no, sorry, just my son's talking to your daughter.
Speaker 2:He doesn't do any of that.
Speaker 1:He doesn't play the scene, he's still like semi-traumatic. He's still middle ground. Nick Cage yes.
Speaker 2:Nick Cage, that's what we'll call him, yeah.
Speaker 1:So he sort of does a good job of it, sort of in his own weird he's still the same way and it's not fake.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that's true. I just in my head, because I know how you know if you or I were to do it sure it would be like hey, hey, this is why we don't get parts okay this
Speaker 2:this is why we do this podcast. Uh, no, yeah, I mean listen, I I think he does a great job. I. There's a lot of people that were like he wasn't good in this movie and I disagree yeah I, I I'm just not sure that the movie knew what the, what the path was I agree with that 100. I just don't think that he derails it in any way other than, you know, slamming the tree, a little wood on wood, violence and then yelling, but it's fine.
Speaker 1:So he sort of gets there, gets them out to the you know the promenade or wherever they have the little cafe there, and then he goes, he goes crazy. He's all like we didn't meet on accident.
Speaker 2:I want to know about your mom, by the way, way I followed you here.
Speaker 1:Tell me about the time capsule, what the hell is going on, and she's all like you, stay away which is the right reaction. Great job um and then he's like his lines are uh, something's going on with my son, please help us. And then, as she leaves, she says I can't.
Speaker 2:Yes, not yeah, yeah, and I'm like okay, that was good, that's what you.
Speaker 1:You know, it was enough of an invitation that she has some information. You're like, okay, she does have something, exactly. Yeah, he's got a big gun, he the fbi and says something's going down at the location and he goes.
Speaker 2:I got confused on this and maybe you can clear this up. Why did he assume it was an attack at the subway station? He just want because, none of the things before previous to that have been attacks. They've all been natural disasters of some sort, right.
Speaker 1:Because if you cry fire in a theater, people leave the theater. If you cry terrorism at a location, then they're going to act like it's terrorism.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, all right. I mean it didn't work so.
Speaker 1:It sort of did work. There were a lot of people around. They didn't clear the area, but they had people around. Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 2:I mean they didn't clear the area. He told them to clear it, Dan, and nobody listened to him.
Speaker 1:Well, they listened to him. They just didn't do what he told them to do.
Speaker 2:Right, no, I mean, they had an elevated force there, but they did not clear the area. He was very specific.
Speaker 1:He said but they did not clear the. He was very specific. He said please clear the area. And they did not. And when they went back, you know in the fbi like they record all this shit at the fbi for sure they listen to it and they're like this is the person that's going to do it. They're actually they would have.
Speaker 2:They would immediately have been at his house.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, no, totally 100 yeah, I hadn't thought about that. It's just like you better go to a pay phone if you're going to do this, because otherwise they're coming to your house.
Speaker 2:You're darn right, they will.
Speaker 1:So he drives to New York City, finds a parking place, instantly yells at a cop, goes down to the subway, sees a guy and there's a big chase. Here we go again. He's chasing a guy that he thinks is going to blow up a thing or do something. Yeah, Never once does he say stop that man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, he's running through train cars, right, and the quote unquote bad guy runs into 20, 30 pedestrians.
Speaker 1:He runs by a million people on the platform before they get in the car.
Speaker 2:That's also true. Sprinting they're like sprinting down. There were a lot of chances just for him to be asked for a little help. Hey stop that man. Somebody, help me. Silence. He's got stolen DVDs. Piracy's a crime.
Speaker 1:So they catch him. He's got stolen DVDs. And then this scene. I'm sad about this scene because it was very confusing as to which subway was riding out of control.
Speaker 1:I get that. Basically, what happens is the subway coming towards them goes loose and then it crashes through them. He also, at one point, has the time to say to some woman with a child, you should get off the train because it's going to blow up or something. And I'm like Something, yeah, something to that effect. He's not doing anything else to help anyone. Okay, but she had a baby. Yeah, all right, you want to?
Speaker 2:preserve the children, dan. All right, I don't, there's too many. I mean, people with children are the only ones that should vote. Politics are out of control, man.
Speaker 1:We can't do that stupidity, sorry. I'm sorry, you can't quote from the second stupidest person running for high office. Yeah, okay, good.
Speaker 2:Rock and roll bro.
Speaker 1:Rock and roll, bro Bookstealer runaway subway car and he saves the lady with the baby During this whole situation, sort of Not sort of he tackles her down and protects her. I mean, I don't know he loves this baby, that baby might have bounced, bounced, bounced.
Speaker 2:Boom, no more baby.
Speaker 1:So the one car crashes into it and has a level of momentum that it could have never gained in the short distance that it traveled 100%, but it looks cool.
Speaker 2:It looked cool.
Speaker 1:Once again, I think that if they'd have played this part a little more real, I think it would have been a lot more stunning, a little more real. I think it would have been a lot more stunning, but they just play it, you know car just crashes and you know goes through post after post after post, and hundreds of people as opposed to you know it like scraping the hell out of their car. You know, I don't know. You could have made it more dramatic by making it less dramatic.
Speaker 2:Sure sure, I will say my favorite shot is from inside the train looking out the window as it just mows people over. That was a nice shot. I thought that was pretty cool going down just like bowling pins man.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's hard to be in this movie, um, and then he just sort of wanders home through the fog. He picks up Caleb, and then Lucinda and her daughter, abby, and Diana are there waiting for him.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So basically, we find out that the mom was crazy and was crazy towards the girl and was freaked out her whole existence.
Speaker 2:Again, just weird, it's weird. It's her whole existence. Again, just a weird, it's weird. It's weird to me. But you know I have to buy it. It's a conceit I have to live with to watch this movie.
Speaker 1:And then we find out that the disaster, and he talks about his wife's death, and then we find out that she was asleep when she died, so the place burned up. And then he he says the thing, aren't we supposed to know when a loved one we know is gonna die or does die? And I'm like, does anyone believe that? I don't know that. I've ever met anyone that believes.
Speaker 2:I think so yeah, no, I think like, like a mother, I feel like in movies it's always a mother's instinct when her children are in trouble. You know, I feel like in movies it's always a mother's instinct when her children are in trouble. You know, I feel like it's a thing, I mean it's a sort of a trope?
Speaker 1:I don't think it's a trope. I think it's maybe a thing you've heard people saying you know like oh, I had this spooky thing and then something happened.
Speaker 2:But he says it like everyone's brought up believing that they're going to know when someone significant to them dies or is in trouble, and it's also weird because we don't deal with that at any other time in the movie. So you know.
Speaker 1:That was weird to me.
Speaker 2:It's just another one of those ideas that whoever wrote it was like this is a cool idea. I want to somehow get this in here, and then I ran out of time so. I just kind of put it in there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so then he's like once she died without him realizing she was going to die. He's like that means there's no God and nothing means anything. Pretty much, yeah, I get it. Welcome to the world of the atheist. We all die in the end. Life is random.
Speaker 2:Because that's what she says, right, what she says, that we all die in the end.
Speaker 1:She does say that. She says that at the beginning of all this.
Speaker 2:Because she's talking about her mother kept telling her she was going to die on the last date of those numbers that we find. And she basically says I ignored it because, hey, we all die sometime. But that's not really. She's saying you're dying in your 20s, lady. That's not the same as well. We all die sometime. I don't know. I found that weird.
Speaker 1:And she also said that because she didn't live her life like she was, she kind of lived her life like she was gonna die. Yeah, for sure, she was a very scared like she was gonna die yeah, for sure, she was a very scared, timid, weird person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's all strange, yeah, it doesn't make that much sense. Um, then they're looking at the, the numbers, and they look at the uh, the list, and then the last number of dead is 33 and they're like, oh, is that a 33 or is that an ee? Because maybe they wrote the e's backwards, because you know how kids write e's backwards I didn't, no, no one, no one.
Speaker 2:Let me just, let me just say I did not know that, and when they said it as if I should know that I was confused you know it's that whole.
Speaker 1:You know when kids are writing. You know it's like this weird chicken scratch where you know C's are upside down L's have three prongs.
Speaker 2:An upside down C looks a lot like a regular C.
Speaker 1:Oh, Tony, stop it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I know exactly what you're saying I don't know what they're saying. I didn't understand that at all. But it's fine, I don't know what they're saying. Whatever you want to do, she wrote all of her numbers correctly, but just you know. The E E is confusing for some people.
Speaker 1:So they're like maybe it's just one person, maybe it's like Elon, elon.
Speaker 2:Musk, Elon, Elon. If only there was another. E there so many.
Speaker 1:Es. Okay. So the mom died when she overdosed. When she was nine, she dealt with the voices and she'd moved. She says she moved here to get ready, didn't she live? For the end. Yeah, but it's the same town.
Speaker 2:Yeah, huh, yeah. No, she lived there her whole life yeah.
Speaker 1:What do you mean? Did she move there?
Speaker 2:Maybe she means she moved to the trailer park To get ready. She moved from town To the trailer park. I'm sorry, manufactured home park, that's what my father likes to call them. They're not trailer parks, okay. Your dad's not a slumlord, is he? No, he owns manufactured home parks, dan.
Speaker 1:Okay there is a difference. Is he a manufactured home?
Speaker 2:park.
Speaker 1:Lord Burglar is what he just said Is he a manufactured home park lord?
Speaker 2:He owns them. Yes, well, now he just it's down to one. He used to own three. It was called Tri Park Investments. This is too much information to put out. Maybe I'll track you down, tony. Yeah they already have. There was this guy. They were trying to buy one of my dad's parks and they kept calling me.
Speaker 1:You should have sold it why didn't you sell it?
Speaker 2:I'm going to need 30% of this sale because I need some money right now. They kept calling me and I was like I'm in California, what are you talking? I don't even talk to them. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1:I did the Glendale show, glendale All-American Collectorama. We're getting to the waning last hour of the show. Yeah, I know this guy comes up and he's like I love this. We have all these boxes full of paper that you flip through.
Speaker 2:It's like comic books and menus.
Speaker 1:You know I sell a lot of paper and he's all like what would you take for me to buy it all, what? What? Buy my whole booth why. What are you take for me to buy it all? What? Buy my whole booth why? What are you talking about? It was so weird. What?
Speaker 2:That's such a good reaction.
Speaker 1:I wanted to tell him to fuck off. I wanted to be very rude. Sure, I was just like I don't even know who you are. What do you mean? Sell?
Speaker 2:you my whole booth. Eight million please, why would you want?
Speaker 1:my booth. My booth is full of weird stuff. I'm like it was. It was just so strange Like you want me to add up like everything in there and give you a discount. Is that what you want?
Speaker 2:That's what he wants, and then he's going to turn around and sell it for double the profit.
Speaker 1:I'm just like I don't understand, you know, because my stuff is. You know there's a lot of people selling action figures and toys that everyone knows what they are GI Joe's, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Oh GI Joe.
Speaker 1:Things that all have a set. Everything I have is fucking weird.
Speaker 2:You know, that's your thing, that's my thing.
Speaker 1:That was very strange. Okay, let's get back to this. Did you sell it?
Speaker 2:No, I didn't Come on Dan I didn't sell it Eight figures. Wait, that's not right. Six, seven, nine figures Damn it.
Speaker 1:Nine figures, baby. Okay. So they go to the mom's house. They find a wall of clipping, so she's been watching the destruction. They find a rock. The kids are out in the car and the whisper men are like swarming the car. Very creepy, very creepy. Then he sees a pile of rocks and there's some writing under the bed. He flips up the bed and it's like everyone else, everyone else everyone else everyone else. I liked it. I thought it was nice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I thought it was a cool moment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would never have thought EE was everyone else. He didn't need to say that was two, threes, he didn't need to do that yeah, EE doesn't mean anything by itself.
Speaker 2:What's with the misdirection that we only deal with for about 45 seconds?
Speaker 1:I don't know. We know iOS and LOL, we know all these. There's lots of things we know, lol.
Speaker 2:LOL, live out loud. Yeah, I know that one.
Speaker 1:Raffle. So the guy next to us at Glendale works in the movie industry. Oh, the movies. Yeah, he had a little promo clear plastic bathtub for the movie Saltburn.
Speaker 2:Weird Saltburn.
Speaker 1:Weird movie I'm not going to lie Is that really where you want to concentrate your promotional effort.
Speaker 2:Nope, I don't think so, because I'm not even going to your booth now, because now I think you're kind of weird. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:That's so funny. Boom, the kids are freaking out. They hit the horn Honk Then dad runs out. And they run off the whisper. People run off um I we. We learned later that the kids have been talking to these guys and they don't have a negative opinion of them, do they?
Speaker 2:no, they.
Speaker 1:They don't ever seem to feel threatened, except for you know now, like now, yeah, I don't know you know stranger danger, though all right oh, he got his gun, he runs out there and then the one guy standing there and he opens his mouth and his mouth turns into like a movie projector first of all, I wish that it made that sound and was a movie projector. That would be cool okay, it goes back to the kids. Yes, what are you gonna?
Speaker 2:say I just it's just a ball of light. I and this. This seems to back up the angel thing more than anything to me.
Speaker 1:But you know, I don't know okay, it goes back to caleb I'm not gonna let you die, bro. Okay, yeah, bro, you're good. And then he realizes that what's happening is the son is gonna have a giant soul. He's like I figured it out. And he runs back to where he works and he sees his buddy there and he's like I will not tell you what's happening until I type on the computer. I can't start talking in time typing on a computer well, here's why I'm confused, okay tell me, apparently, and we haven't seen this.
Speaker 2:He's already published a paper on this or something Just about how something about solar flares yeah. Something about solar flares. And then he's oh, let me just adjust my readings and oh, that's going to destroy the Earth. It was a weird sequence of events. I wish that he was worried about that at some point earlier in the movie so that it would connect to something he said earlier.
Speaker 1:You know the newscasts and things, sort of said some things like oh, there's some electrical activity coming.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I, I get that, but he seems like he was already work knowledge, knowledgeable of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I don't know Well, and he computer models it in like 30 seconds.
Speaker 2:So fast, yes, so so fast.
Speaker 1:Based on no data or anything, Just like yep, this other sun had a solar flare and it's going to come and make our yeah. I didn't understand if the other sun and the other solar system zapped our thing and then our thing zapped us or if it just decided to zap us.
Speaker 2:Now it didn't make any sense. I think it just decided to zap us. I think that's, I don't know. It was kind of. It was a little confusing. Yeah, in a normal disaster movie he would have discovered that in the first five minutes and then spent the first act trying to convince people that it was going to happen. But that's fine, it's almost like a thing you could do in your movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it does seem like him having the astrophysics knowledge about this whole thing. We don't really need that, don't need it at all, it turns out.
Speaker 2:You know, we could have just have him be a dad and some shit's going on with his son and he just kind of has to go for that ride.
Speaker 1:Maybe the son has that, maybe the boy has that information.
Speaker 2:Well, because he kind of did in the beginning, you know he was very smart, and then not anymore.
Speaker 1:He could be like Dad don't you find all the solar activity worrisome? He's like Dad, don't you find all the solar flare activity worrisome?
Speaker 2:He's like okay, buddy, yeah, solar flares. Okay, go to bed.
Speaker 1:Maybe someday you'll be able to look through the Hubble telescope.
Speaker 2:That's my dad voice. That's good, that's a good dad voice.
Speaker 1:Okay, boom, boom, boom. He tells Phil to go home because he's going to die. Then he goes and sees Diana. She cries and he's like, well, we can maybe go to some caves. She's like, well, there were these caves that no one knows about that I played in as a child. You're like, wow, that's a movie line that solves a bunch of problems.
Speaker 2:It's like there's not going to be anybody at these caves and I'm the only one that knows about them, because I met them when I was a kid. That's right. No Unregistered caves, all right.
Speaker 1:So they pack up, he gets the present, he opens it. It was a locket that he was going to give his wife, with a picture of them, okay, and it says something like together forever or something.
Speaker 2:Did he have a little fun?
Speaker 1:He rubbed it off. Yeah yeah, attaboy Rubbed the photo like we all do. We all rub photos, kissing pictures and all that, are you supposed to handle photos with your greasy fingers?
Speaker 2:No, it's not good for however they put the art on them. Emulsion, no, emulsion, yeah. Is that what it's not good for? Whatever, however they put the art on them. Emulsion.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Emulsion yeah, is that what it's called? Yeah, which part of the process is that?
Speaker 1:What an emulsion is it's like? Because you know it's a sheet of something Like in the case of a movie theater. It's a sheet of like acetate Cellophane. It's a cellulose of some sort, something it's like a plastic, and then you put an emulsion on it right, and then the emulsion, then uh, you know which is flexible, and then it, you know you however, you know you. However, things are on there yeah, you know like if it's black and white, you some of it turns black based on an exposure right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exposure yeah.
Speaker 1:Your F-stop. You know all that stuff.
Speaker 2:Tony, I don't know anything.
Speaker 1:Rubs the photo, calls his dad and he's all like dad. You remember, on Thursdays you do the sermon about prophecy. Well, the prophecy is coming true, is it every?
Speaker 2:Thursday Does he give the same sermon every Thursday? I was a little shaky on that.
Speaker 1:I don't know if he said Thursday, but it was one particular day of the week and it sure seemed like he gave the same goddamn sermon Same one.
Speaker 2:Like I'm not going to that church guy, You've got to mix it up, okay. Yeah, You've got to do Apostle Joe, Aposte apostle fred.
Speaker 1:You know different apostles, okay, calls his dad and then he goes to the basement and everybody's ready to die. Caleb's doing the numbers and then he wakes up. He's like did I do that? He does the urkel line did I do that I, I wrote that down too. Wait, wait, urkel was before this. You can't have Urkel flying.
Speaker 2:Like 20 years before that, it's perfect. Did I do that so good?
Speaker 1:They go. They break into the school. He steals the door that's been painted over. He takes the door home.
Speaker 2:How do you break into a school? Is it summer?
Speaker 1:Okay, i'm'm gonna tell you what happened. Okay, tell me what happened back when he was at the science at the astrophysics lab. He said the government will be announcing it soon oh, so they closed everything.
Speaker 2:Everything's closed. Yeah, okay, I missed it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's that one single, almost a throwaway line. They don't actually ever then show anything being closed or have the TV say everything's closed or you know you're all going to die.
Speaker 2:Go home to your loved ones. You're all going to die, all right, okay, copy you.
Speaker 1:So boom, he gets the door. He's using the heat gun and scraping it.
Speaker 2:And so boom, he gets the door. He's using the heat gun and scraping it. And then Roseburn's like the best thing to do now is to steal the children away from him. Agreed, yeah, well, he ignored her. I don't know if you remember you should never ignore the woman, okay?
Speaker 1:That's the recipe for disaster. If there's any life lesson you take from this show today, never ignore the woman. Don't do it. You know, if you're like on your phone, you're like uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.
Speaker 2:But you're not listening. You're dead.
Speaker 1:That's death, that's a death penalty, death penalty, rightly so.
Speaker 2:Of course, yeah, yeah, I'm not. No shade to the woman in that scenario. You're being an asshole. You deserve it.
Speaker 1:We got in a big argument because we went to the Family Values Tour back in the 2000s Great, and you know Korn and your boy, limp Bizkit and Shannon's like, yeah, primus, I'm like we did not see Primus, I did not see Primus, I did not see Primus. There's no way.
Speaker 2:I've never seen them before in my life.
Speaker 1:We look it up there's Primus.
Speaker 2:There they are, yeah, dead center.
Speaker 1:In the my world Boom, they run away. Diana stops at a service station for some reason.
Speaker 2:Did she get gas? I think she got gas like you'd be selling gas actually?
Speaker 1:no, you would be, because the guy at the gas station didn't believe it.
Speaker 2:He was going to make all the money he could no, he is one of my favorite parts of the movie, by the way, because he's just, his place is just getting fucking like run down people are stealing stuff and he's like man, these guys are going to feel real stupid tomorrow. I love him. And like run dad, people are stealing stuff and he's like man, these, these guys are gonna feel real stupid tomorrow. I love him.
Speaker 1:He's so great. That's the tony character.
Speaker 2:You know idiots so you wake up tomorrow when everything's fine, you're gonna feel so bad about stealing all my stuff so good.
Speaker 1:So caleb calls his dad on the pay phone, even though her phone doesn't work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, so this is confusing. She has the line because she tries to make a phone call or something and she has the line. The phones are dead.
Speaker 1:Maybe just T-Mobile.
Speaker 2:It just depends on your carrier how much infrared or whatever they can fight. Yeah, but then he calls his dad's cell phone, no problem very confusing there, um, but that being said, the most unbelievable part of this movie to me, dan, is the year's 2009 and you're telling me this eight-year-old kid has spare change in his pocket for a phone call. Not a chance.
Speaker 1:He probably like, walked into the store and like knifed somebody and like, took it out of the register.
Speaker 2:Thank you, ridiculous.
Speaker 1:So he calls the dad Boom, boom, boom. I thought that I wasn't paying attention so I thought the kids stole another car to get away from the mom.
Speaker 2:But the whisper people picked them up. The whisper people just got into her car and drove off. It's actually very scary if you think about it.
Speaker 1:What was the movie I was thinking about? Oh, I was thinking in the 50s, were the world's movie.
Speaker 1:There's a point at which they're like, you know, our main characters are driving through the streets and this is in the 50s and everybody's mobbing out and they go through there and they steal their whole truck and throw them out of the thing and you're like you can really make that scene terrifying like they're gonna take your, they're gonna take your vehicle and then you're gonna be shit out vehicle and then you're going to be shit out of luck because you're going to be standing there 100 miles from where you need to be. But this movie never plays any of those games.
Speaker 2:They never put you through it. Did you ever watch Greenland, am I saying? Am I emphasizing land Greenland, greenland, greenland? I don't know. Did you ever see thatland, greenland? I don't know. Did you ever see that with Gerard Butler? I don't think so. You should see that Great disaster film. But they do that sort of stuff all over the place. It's messed up.
Speaker 1:And it's a real thriller thing because that puts you through it. I mean I'll get worked up over that. That's terrifying Truly terrifying when they beat you up and drag you out of your vehicle and oh, it's horrible and he had, to like, walk back. You know it was terrible? Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2:What else are you going to do? You can't hitch a ride. It's not working out that way.
Speaker 1:So he gets there, oh shit. So Rose Byrne takes off and she is not paying attention. Boom, hit by a, hit by a semi.
Speaker 2:That was good. I just I just did not see that coming man. That was, that was messed up.
Speaker 1:And then and I'm like, oh, she's dead. Then they kind of show her and you're like, oh, she's sort of alive.
Speaker 2:I'm like, oh wow, for no reason. Though why is she sort of alive? Yeah, she's sort of alive. Yeah, tell me.
Speaker 1:I loved it actually because then what happens is he gets to the gas station, talks to the dude and the dude's like yeah, I saw these guys steal those kids.
Speaker 2:You're like okay, he could have seen that, he could have seen that I guess he could have, but he's got a lot going on on his plate right now. The fact that he was able to clock which direction she drove off of is pretty impressive.
Speaker 1:I mean let me backseat drive a little more.
Speaker 2:He should have been outside yelling at everybody.
Speaker 1:He's like this is my station. Why are you taking my stuff? You're going to be like idiots. Nick Cage, this is a scene I'm going to write you a good scene for your movie.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, tell me.
Speaker 1:For your remake of this movie. Okay, yeah, we got it Five years down the road he rolls up in his car, sees the guy this is my station he gets him. He's like did you see it? He says have you seen this? The guy's like did you see it? And he grabs him because it's an old guy he grabs him by the neck.
Speaker 1:He's like did you see? He's like, yeah, I saw it, and just gives him the information, like that, you're going to play the old man, I'm an old man. So he chases after them, finds, sees her car. I don't know how he knew that she was in that car, in the stolen car.
Speaker 2:The stolen car that has the.
Speaker 1:CZ goes there, she's in the ambulance, he watches as she codes and they do time of death and I'm like it was. When she's hit, you're like she's dead, and then they show her alive and then you're like, oh well, she has to live because they're going to escape or whatever.
Speaker 2:She dead? No, she gone. They were just waiting until midnight to call it, 12 o'clock exactly on the day she was supposed to die. It's fucked up.
Speaker 1:Oh, I forgot about that. So it is the day.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's pretty good. It's pretty good. It's messed up, though it's dark.
Speaker 1:But once again, you know you could have, there's ways you could have pumped that up to make it like, oh shit. 12 o'clock.
Speaker 2:Oh, totally yeah, okay, boom Okay.
Speaker 1:Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Oh, so she dies and then somehow the paramedics fuck off, so he then climbs in the truck and then has some time with her dead body.
Speaker 2:It's a weird moment To which he apologizes.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I didn't do more, or something.
Speaker 2:It's weird because they're giving her the paddles and he's just standing at the door watching, which already I feel like they'd be like, sir, you need to not be a looky-loo five feet from where we're trying to revive this woman, but then they just leave him at the door. He's not hiding, he's just standing at the door and they just leave past him to go look at something else. It's a little weird.
Speaker 1:A little weird.
Speaker 2:And she's got like a rock. Yeah, she's got a rock. I don't get it. Maybe, well let's. I think it's the rock that she picked up on the phone. Oh yeah, when she made the call. Yeah, she was just holding it the whole time.
Speaker 1:Maybe or maybe she found it in the wreckage, I don't know so he gets to where they went, gets out of the car, has the gun pointing the gun. Where is he, where is he? And then the kid shows up holding a rabbit and he says, it's okay, they're just here to prepare the way. We're the chosen ones. And I'm like, oh, fuck Him. And the little girl are Adam and Eve. Oh, fuck, please, no.
Speaker 2:Okay, so you did not like this part. No, now dan, yes, he's holding a bunny rabbit. What are bunny rabbits known for? Fucking, yeah, reproducing this. For me, this is like a weird symbol to be like guess, dad, your son's about to go repopulate some shit. He's going to be having so much rabbit sex in the next 10 years.
Speaker 1:I thought it was a Noah's Ark thing.
Speaker 2:I mean, it is, it is for sure, and all of the other ones are probably people with other animals, right? Who gets the elephant? Someone that probably died on the journey? They got sat on during the journey, didn't work out, they did. Um, I don't, I don't. I just thought it was interesting that it was a bunny rabbit. Yeah, because you know they're a symbol of uh, of uh making babies um, dad can't go.
Speaker 1:They're, the aliens are there. They're like so they're like blonde people in suits, but you're like okay, they're the angels. The angels are coming to take away the chosen ones.
Speaker 2:Or aliens that can manipulate mankind.
Speaker 1:I don't know they're also aliens. I mean, the aliens are angels, sure, yeah, whatever, whatever the symbology, it doesn't really matter. It doesn't really matter People in the Bible. Dad can't go. Nick's like take care of Abby. Caleb cries.
Speaker 2:Did you cry? No, god, no, I cried a little Well that's good.
Speaker 1:I'm glad it can affect someone and he's all like eventually we're all going to be together, Even your mom.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's pretty religious.
Speaker 2:Well, because he's coming around to that side of things. That's why he goes and sees the dad shortly, because he's, you know, he's giving over to the religious side of things.
Speaker 1:So he's all like, okay, we gotta go, the ship unfolds. The ship is really cool yeah the ship is cool. Really good looking. They go. He cries, he falls asleep, he wakes up, he's laying on the rocks. There's all the rocks. You're right, it rains. Did you see the rocks before this?
Speaker 2:You see the rocks. When he pulls in with the truck, the headlights are pointed down, so you see that he's driving onto the rocks.
Speaker 1:Then he drives around through empty streets. Then he drives into the masses of people, looks over, sees his friend and his wife hugging each other on the side of the road and then they saw him.
Speaker 2:It felt like they saw each other. I don't think they saw him, I think he just saw them.
Speaker 1:All right, and then he goes to what I thought was a church, but then I realized this is his dad's place.
Speaker 2:Just his dad, who obviously stole a church door and put it on his house because it's definitely a door to a church.
Speaker 1:Or it's a door to a gigantic mansion.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that could be that, but pastors historically don't make that much money.
Speaker 1:That would be my thought. I thought he'd end up in some little suburban three-bedroom house and you'd be like, oh, this makes sense, but no, he lives down in the city. I'm like this seems weird, then he goes in there.
Speaker 2:Maybe he lives in the church?
Speaker 1:No, okay, well, I got nothing to him Because the sister lives there too. That's too many people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're right about that.
Speaker 1:Tells the sister Caleb's safe. He makes up with the dad, the dad's like this isn't the end. And then it is the end, because the entire planet burns up.
Speaker 2:Wait, what does he say? And he says wait, what does he say? The dad says this isn't the end and Nick Cage says I know. Oh, I know. No. He says I know because he's giving over Hold on.
Speaker 1:That says the movie. I didn't even write it down, I didn't pay any attention, that's the name of the movie over there.
Speaker 2:So it's just about, and then a wonderful scene where they just show I mean the world just getting fucking roasted blowing up.
Speaker 1:It's cool, it looks nice, and that's what's happening to the world right now.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're right about that.
Speaker 1:This is a very prophetic movie. The kids get dumped on a planet Somehow, their clothes are gone and now they're wearing like muslin white robes. And then they turn around, they loose the rabbits, they turn around, turn around, they loose the rabbits and they turn around. And oh, look at that, the Garden of Eden. There's a big tree.
Speaker 2:The Tree of Wisdom. The Tree of Wisdom oh, come on Now a little heavy-handed For the rest of the movie up until that point to me has been Again thematically it's all there, but I don't feel like they've really hammered it home. You know what I mean, but this scene's a little over the top for me. I would prefer the movie without it, but I assume they wanted to give you some sort of hopeful ending at the end of this relatively dark movie.
Speaker 1:They should have just shown a planet that had oceans A hundred percent. Yeah, they were just heading to that.
Speaker 2:Now, and this is all conjecture Do you feel like all of the spaceships went to the same planet, yeah, or do you think they tried to repopulate multiple planets? They showed the spaceships in the distance. I see I must have missed that, because I was staring at the children's clothes yeah, there were other other other ships landing on the planet got it yeah, it's okay, it's it's you know, yeah, it is yeah, rollerball out there in the world.
Speaker 1:You're like I'm not going to get this movie to my shit.
Speaker 2:Rollerball. Oh, chris Klein, love that guy. Not the last time we're going to see him on this show. I can promise you that.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I don't know. I liked it. Yeah, I enjoyed the film Again. It takes a lot of big swings, doesn't land them all, but there's enough there that I enjoyed myself.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to say you're an idiot for liking this, Tony.
Speaker 2:That's the nicest thing you've ever said to me, Dan. I appreciate you. I'm going to mark this down in my calendars. Dan Goodsell, nice soul An idiot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, okay. Well, anything else to say about this movie, tony.
Speaker 2:No, I think we did a great job. I'm proud of you.
Speaker 1:We did a great job. I think we did a great job. We did an incredible job, a wonderful job. So, tony, why don't you tell us about something you're enjoying in your life right now?
Speaker 2:Oh, I was going to look this up, so I don't mess it up, but we watched Kill last night, 2023. Have you heard of this? No, it's a foreign movie.
Speaker 1:You watched a foreign movie by choice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's an Indian film. Okay, I just by choice. Yeah, it's a indian film, okay, I just wanted to make sure I didn't get this wrong. It is intense. It's uh, it's like a john wickian action film and just a lot of a lot of kicking ass on a train. It's really good. It's darker than we thought, we cried a little bit, but it's good man. It's darker than we thought, we cried a little bit, but it's good man, it's good. And there's enough action that when I have to read, there's good chunks of break. You know what I mean. You read for a little bit and then there's 10 minutes of just punching and kicking and murdering folk. So that helps, that helps, but it was good. It was intense. Where did you watch this movie? I bought it on Vudu, so you can watch it anytime you want to my friend.
Speaker 2:And then the other thing I want to shout out Twisters dropped on VOD this week. Watch it, Everybody watch it. It's so good. We watched it again this week.
Speaker 1:How long did that take?
Speaker 2:Two weeks. No, it was three or four, because wolverine came out the week after it and I think wolverine's been out for at least three they're.
Speaker 1:They're gonna drive theaters out of business.
Speaker 2:There's no way theaters are gonna survive yeah, I mean that that I don't disagree with we're in a we're in a weird time right now. Having Having said that, go pledge all your money to Twisters. It's great.
Speaker 1:I'm going to take the Tony position this week.
Speaker 2:Uh-oh, something you don't like.
Speaker 1:No, I'm going to tell you something we've been watching. That is something you probably watched, that we would have never watched, but Shannon turned it on. Great job, shannon. Love is Blind. Uk Season 1.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you watched the UK. Yeah, how do you like it? Do you love it? Is it great? It's.
Speaker 1:It's an interesting sociological study. Luckily there's not too many truly. Terrible people on it.
Speaker 2:That's because it's the UK. Watch the American one man. We are terrible people.
Speaker 1:We'll probably watch it, because you know Shannon's getting a little bored because nothing is happening. It's just like yeah Well because they're decent human beings.
Speaker 2:It's tough, a lot of stuff. You got to get to the dredge of society in America.
Speaker 1:Just go across the pond and there you go, America.
Speaker 2:I love that you're watching some reality TV.
Speaker 1:This is great. It's pretty funny. I haven't watched any reality shows in a while, and so it's kind of like okay, uh, love Island USA season six.
Speaker 2:This season was dynamite man, you guys should watch it.
Speaker 1:The drama, the drama wonderful stuff I can imagine on Monday, the reunion.
Speaker 2:To where? One day away from the reunion, I'm very excited, but anyhow I'm glad I'm day away from the reunion. I'm very excited, but anyhow I'm glad. I'm glad you're watching. Love is blind uk.
Speaker 1:What a treat. What do you got for us, tony? What movie are you watching next week?
Speaker 2:all right. So this movie was a little dark, a little serious, and I was like we're gonna, we're gonna mix it up, we're gonna watch something that I think is gonna be silly and just just plain awful. Um, and naomi this is a shout from Naomi. Actually, she brought this one to my attention.
Speaker 1:Wow, it is a 1994 comedy starring Katherine.
Speaker 2:Heigl and some French dude, Gerard Depardieu.
Speaker 1:Gerard Depardieu, who got kicked out of his own country.
Speaker 2:That's it. That's the guy, my father, the hero um.
Speaker 1:He was my father the hero.
Speaker 2:Oh he who, he was, the what he was the number one actor in france.
Speaker 1:Well, not anymore. My father, the hero they hear.
Speaker 2:I'm just going to give you just a real quick synopsis of the film, because you got to hear this shit, dan. This movie is about a hapless father falls victim to the romantic mischief making of his teenage daughter while on holiday in the Caribbean. When the girl takes a shine to a fellow tourist, she decides to spice things up by claiming her father is actually her older lover. That's, that's it. We're doing it. I gotta take a shower.
Speaker 1:Just hearing that wild over there.
Speaker 2:So she sent me that and I was like yeah we're doing that immediately. I need to see this movie.
Speaker 1:This is insane 10 out of 10, since I picked a movie that was actually decent.
Speaker 2:It was pretty decent. This will not be decent either just movie making, but also just morality wise. It's going to be pretty bad. I'm very excited about it.
Speaker 1:God how terrible. So we'll be watching that next week. It's going to be pretty bad. I'm very excited about it. God how terrible.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, man.
Speaker 1:So we'll be watching that next week or talking about that next week. We'll hopefully be watching that at some point between now and then the show. I think we will, I think we will, and if you like our show, give us a thumbs up, leave a comment, maybe subscribe. Those are all things you can do to help support the show. Drive the ad revenues.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh yeah, burping the ad revenues. We don't have ads on our shows. No, we don't. Thank God, we should start doing fake ads for our own products. Oh See, pretty good, I'm burping, now I'm burping. I see that we better wrap this show up quick. I'm going to expire in a few minutes here. Expired.
Speaker 1:Okay, it's been fun and we'll see you next week. Goodbye everybody, bye.
Speaker 2:Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye Tony.