Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
Hate Watching Gemini Man
Could a clone ever truly understand who they are? Journey with us as we tackle the mind-bending complexities of "Gemini Man" and unravel the layers of this action-packed film. We start with a dose of humor, engaging in some playful banter about personal interests, from Dan's unexpected opinion on trains to Tony's quest for the perfect climate. Our light-hearted chatter even leads us to hilariously debunk the Goldilocks story, touching on quirky habits and cultural practices that add a unique twist to our conversation.
As we go deeper, we meticulously dissect the plot of "Gemini Man" and the moral dilemmas it presents. You'll hear a thorough critique of Henry's assassination mission on a Belgian bullet train and the bizarre intersections of his professional and personal life. We leave no stone unturned as we scrutinize the black-and-white moral framework, the mysterious Project Gemini, and the perplexing decisions made by the shadowy organization behind it all. Our discussion brings to light the confusion and questions that arise from the protagonist's journey and the film's portrayal of secretive operations and cloning.
Finally, we examine the technical aspects of the film, including the use of CGI and high frame rates, while also critiquing the emotional depth of Will Smith's character. From the intense action scenes to the unexpected father-son dynamics, we offer a humorous analysis that questions the movie's logic and coherence. So, tune in for critical insights, humorous observations, and engaging commentary that promises to keep you entertained from start to finish.
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Do you like trains, dan? Do you mean, I feel like you'd be a train guy? I don't know, I'm just curious.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not a train guy. I mean, am I antithetical to the concept of trains? No, do I like riding on trains? I enjoy riding on trains. I'm not like a person who wants to stand in a field and wait for trains to go by and then know who they are and go like. And wait for trains to go by and then know who they are and go like start the 74 to 7, then it'll soon be at San.
Speaker 2:Francisco that I don't like to do. Okay, sure, I mean, I like the concept of toy trains, but I've never collected toy trains.
Speaker 1:I'm a fan of the, so that's where my head was. I imagine you with the cap and the overalls down in your basement playing with a little toy train.
Speaker 2:I can see you doing it my dad's friend had a toy train set up in his basement and we went and saw it and I was when I was, when we were kids, and I was like, yeah, no it's not that great I mean, I like model making, but it just seems like the the end product of a toy train is just not very exciting, just like it's not as cool as as.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, sure you know I get that. I see that it'd be it. You know, if you were gonna like spend a bunch of time to make one that was going to be on display in a museum or something I'd be like, I'd see how that would be fun, but I would not want to fill up my entire basement with a toy train.
Speaker 2:With miniatures which would then just sort of sit the act of conducting a tiny train. That's a zero for me. It's not even a one or a two or a five or an eight percent, it's like literally a zero.
Speaker 1:It is a zero for me.
Speaker 2:Welcome to Hate Watching with Dan and Tony. I'm Dan and I might turn on a light later.
Speaker 1:And I'm Tony and I am perfectly lit, as always, 10 out of 10.
Speaker 3:That's my big light, so not much later. When you said later, you meant seconds.
Speaker 1:That's just as a test. It creates a harsh contrast on your face when you do that.
Speaker 2:I used to do light all the time, but it gets warm in here. I don't like.
Speaker 1:I like being warm but I don't. If I could pick one, I'd be cold 24-7. I don't you know. Nah, if I could pick, one.
Speaker 2:I'd be cold 24-7. I don't like being cold, I like being just right. I'm a mother bear, I'm just right. What is?
Speaker 1:just right to you. You're the Goldilocks, you're not a bear. Baby bear. The bears don't ever get it right, Dan.
Speaker 2:No, goldilocks, who gets it right?
Speaker 1:Baby bears, because dad is too cold Mom is too cold. The baby bear's food is just right, just right, okay, you're right. You're right. What does Goldilocks do then?
Speaker 2:Nothing, she's just eating their food. She's testing their food One's hot, one's cold. It doesn't make any sense If they left porridge or whatever, none of them they would all be cold.
Speaker 1:None of them would be good. They would all be the same exact amount of cold. Yeah.
Speaker 2:You leave something like that out and it's just like it's five minutes, it's done, done, done, done.
Speaker 1:If I make a bowl of pasta.
Speaker 2:It is cold by the time I get to the bottom.
Speaker 1:Yes, without a doubt. So they put it on a heated plate when they give it to you at the At the old restaurants Restaurante. You heard it here first. Folks Goldilocks debunked so this show, yeah, what is this show? What is this show about, dan we?
Speaker 2:watch a movie and then we snark at the movie. We snark at the movie, each individual, little bit of a bit, every little thing that we could pick at. We pick at every scab, every movie scab, and we make them worse.
Speaker 1:I don't like that visual. I would like to let's get a different visual. I don't like scabs.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean Open wounds. Are you one of?
Speaker 1:those people that eats your scabs. Have you heard this? People do this. Not anymore, not anymore. He grew up and he realized it was disgusting maybe I did as a kid.
Speaker 2:Maybe I did, I don't know I don't.
Speaker 1:I've seen it. I've seen it happen. I don't understand it. No, no offense to anyone that does it out there, to each their own, but it's, it's disgusting and and you're a gross person.
Speaker 2:It's part of you, yeah, but it's the bloody part of you there's like african tribes that drink blood, for you know that's they drink blood and they mix it with cow well, those are called vampires should you say milk? Yeah, that's what it's like the whole african tribe and what the god? We were watching something and they got offered it. They were like you want some of this blood and milk mixture and they were like no thank you no thank you.
Speaker 1:I think I'm okay, but I appreciate the offer. I'd try it.
Speaker 2:Whose blood is it Is it your blood, the cow's blood. So they take the cow's blood and the cow's milk.
Speaker 1:And the milk, so you're just really getting all the fluids out of this guy.
Speaker 2:All the fats and the proteins, because there's going to be a lot of protein, I think, in blood Right.
Speaker 1:Sure, I don't know, there's going to be a lot of iron in it.
Speaker 2:We watch a movie.
Speaker 1:This one's going gonna go well. I feel good about this episode.
Speaker 2:I think this is the right way to start this one, and I'll explain why, Tony why don't? You tell us what movie it is.
Speaker 1:Yes, of course. Yeah, I have no idea what year it is 27?
Speaker 2:Just why don't you say the name of the movie, then I'll put the name of the movie, then I'll tell.
Speaker 1:I'll put. The name of the movie is, of course, gemini man starring William Smith and William Smith 2019. This movie 2019.
Speaker 2:This movie came out in 2019. An hour and 57 minutes that's tough. I didn't hate this movie.
Speaker 1:I mean I don't hate this movie. I mean I don't hate the movie because it's super basic. There's not much to hate in the movie.
Speaker 2:They do a really good job of just making a movie. You just completely understand, no twists.
Speaker 1:No twists, no turns, none at all, in fact, anything that could be possibly a twist, they let you know hours in advance.
Speaker 2:Very telegraphed.
Speaker 1:And this is the kind of movie because I did watch this on the plane and it's the perfect plane movie, right, because I was sitting aisle seat okay, and I don't know if you ever sat aisle seat on a four-hour flight but people get up and they keep going, like this lady next to me I hope she doesn't listen to this podcast. She had to go to the bathroom like nine times, which is usually super annoying, but with this movie I didn't care. I took off my headphones, I set it down, I just left the movie playing, came back, I understood everything, didn't miss a single thing. So that's the perfect plane movie.
Speaker 2:I think there was only like one piece of true character information in this that I was like oh.
Speaker 1:That he's afraid of drowning, oh no.
Speaker 2:Allergic to bees. Those are not character things, those are plot contrivances.
Speaker 1:They sure are. It's so fun when they listen and are like oh you afraid of anything? Oh, deathly allergic to bees. Well, I guess that's going to come into play at some point. Why else are you telling me this randomly? Great stuff, guys.
Speaker 2:When Clive Owen is talking to Junior and he's like at the end of it he's like you want a bowl of. He's like you want to get a bowl of cereal. You don't want a bowl of cereal as your treat. I was like that's really weird.
Speaker 1:It's really weird and it's for sure that I bet that's just clive being clive.
Speaker 2:You know, he seems like a quirky guy to me, like, like this movie has clive owen in it as the guy and you're just like he's kind of a bad guy.
Speaker 1:Is do you disagree with him? I mean, we can talk about it more once we go through all of it, but I find myself kind of on his side, um.
Speaker 2:I mean, just like every character in here, they're, they're, they're just caricatures. And so it's just like, yeah, character in here, they're, they're, they're just caricatures. And so it's just like, yeah, I'm gonna teach you to be a man, so I'm gonna be so hard on you. It's not even tough love, it's just I'm being tough to you, just tough, yep.
Speaker 1:Just tough for tough sake.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I I know how that goes dan I really wanted to put on one of the tom cruise mission impossible movies, which I, you should, you should always want to do that, because they're great. I think I watched some of them, maybe not all of them. Really, the action in those movies is pretty intense and I have the feeling that the other stuff that goes along with them is pretty good too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, they're great. Yeah, them is pretty good too. Yeah, no, they're, they're great. Yeah, I mean, you know, we all have our our likes and dislikes between the movies and everyone kind of pretends two didn't happen, which I don't know why, because it's pretty cool. Limp biscuit does the theme song, guys. I don't know how you get cooler than that, but people don't love it.
Speaker 2:But in general, they're great, they're, they're really solid movies yeah, and I I think you really want to watch one of those movies right after watching this to sort of see what you could do to make this movie feel like there's a soul or something in there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is an interesting thing to say having a soul, because there's a really nice conundrum that we kind of set up and and don't deal with. And set up is the wrong word because they don't talk about it. But I mean, you know what is a clone like? What makes you human? Like this kid is created in a lab. He meets the guy's dna and there's very little dealing with that situation. He's like I'm sad a little bit and confused. Anyhow, let's go kill my pops, it's. This is a weird movie yeah and yeah there's.
Speaker 2:There's no sort of thoughts or dealing with that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's weird I mean he literally clive owen, talks about creating stormtroopers. Essentially he's like we need an army of clones that don't feel so that they are expendable, and I'm all on board with that idea. Obviously that's the evil people that do it. You know, I guess the good guys do it. Dan teach me star wars. Do the the good guys do it. Dan teach me Star Wars. Do the good guys do it first. The bad guys steal it, the clone army. No no.
Speaker 2:The bad guys made the clone army. They paid for the on the storm planet. The bad guys paid for an army and then they became the stormtroopers, although in the other movies the stormtroopers are guys, they pay, they're regular people.
Speaker 1:Very confusing.
Speaker 2:I've never understood what that was all about. You'd think if you were going to have a clone army, that would then be the clone army and you would yeah that's your army.
Speaker 1:That's your army. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Why would Finn have to put on the uniform Like if you're able to make and afford a clone army and you control the whole empire? Why?
Speaker 1:why are you sticking with? That so, you know, maybe they felt bad or something, because you know, but here's the here's here. Anyhow, here's where I was going with it. You know, let's talk about finn for a second. Finn switches sides right. So clive owen is correct we need clones to be the army. And who cares about them? They're not human, which is something that we would talk about in real life, but not in this movie.
Speaker 2:But the other thing about this movie is he has to put in all this effort to make one guy. It's not like how you really want to do the clone, where you have three alien overseers are making a whole army that is then just pooped out into the world right, I I agree, except for the big twist of the movie is that there's a third will smith.
Speaker 1:So was he like? And obviously clive isn't raising him because he's spending so much time with middle will smith, middle will, we'll call middle will. Oh, maybe baby, will I don't know.
Speaker 2:I mean, people have two families, like for years, so maybe he's got two families. He's got one will smith, over here in atlanta and then he's got, you know, in poughkeepsie. He's like gots to go to poughkeepsie to do some business, you know, and Poughkeepsie, he's like gots to go to Poughkeepsie to do some business you know, flies up to Poughkeepsie, right.
Speaker 1:I got to be honest. I always find that it would be really hard to keep two wives straight, but if you had two sons that look identical, they're just barely different I would never remember which one's which. It wouldn't matter, because you're treating them the same. Oh, that's true. See, dan, you're thinking of everything. You'd be choking them out.
Speaker 2:I'm choking you out. Did I choke you out? It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:Did I do this yesterday? I can't remember.
Speaker 2:No, bee pollen for you, not the bees. Okay, we better start the movie. Start the movie. Bullet train station, belgium. There's what we think are gangsters on a train and there's like a spotter dude on the train. That's like talking to Will Smith. Will Smith's name is Henry. He's on a hill looking at the bullet train he's supposed to kill, like who we think is a gangster. You know, at one point, like you know, the trains are coming and it's like a bullet train and it stays. It stays in in shooting range about seven minutes.
Speaker 1:At least it's like it was a while Way too like this.
Speaker 2:This small child has time to walk up there and somehow be be a little bit, but not be next to the guy, be next to like another guy who could have gotten killed if he shot. So it's like really confusing that they care yeah, you know, will smith's like I care, I don't want to shoot a kid and you're like but are you gonna miss? Well, that's kind of your job I mean, if you're gonna wait till the kid leaves, yeah, you're gonna miss because there's gonna be a post he almost.
Speaker 2:So he finally take the kid, walks back and he's like it's clear, it's clear he takes a shot, but he kind of there's like it's right when a post is there. So you're like, wait, did he miss because of the post. Then they get to the other side and he did hit him, he didn't miss. He didn't miss, he's fine. And then his, his spotter, meets him later and it's all. I made a videotape of the person you just killed. Look at the videotape. He's like erase that, erase that, erase that immediately.
Speaker 1:Can you think of a worse idea than filming the murder that you just helped do? It's crazy, what a weird thing to even put in a movie. These guys are spies of some sort. I don't totally understand what they do. They have to know that if it's on your phone, it is now everywhere, like you can, oh, that's true that all you want. We can pull that shit back up, no problem. Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 2:It's just a really weird thing to put it in a movie and then play for, play for, play for your guy later on, and then he has to go like, like over and over and.
Speaker 1:But you should delete that, bro, delete it no bro delete it. I mean really, come on, delete it. You're just like okay, oh yeah, I'll delete it. Guy, I'll delete. That's how he was playing it. I don't know what a weird, weird intro it was very weird.
Speaker 2:And so then he says I meant to shoot him in the top of the head, but I shot him in the. You know, I got shot him in the neck and stand it's like well, I'm glad somebody took a video, that's so now we know exactly where you shot it sure, I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 1:That's interesting. Yeah, so they had to make they tried to make it organic that he needed to know exactly where he shot him. I see, yeah that that's actually.
Speaker 2:that's why they put that scene in there, so that that's he'd have a reason to actually know where he shot him, as opposed to that's the classic.
Speaker 1:Oh, just give me a line, Dan Goodsell, but instead they give you a whole scene. How does that feel?
Speaker 2:A character moment Is that better. A character moment and now we start to see him as this like I'm conflicted about killing people. I don't like you because you kill people, even if yeah I mean, you know, you have to. I don't know. I mean shooting dictators, I guess. But you know the cia, fbi, when they're out there having people killed, which they you know usually they just have people dragged away and disappeared in a hole.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not always the greatest thing, usually it's not always the greatest person in the world that's doing that kind of thing. It's usually like a very yes, that's what I did today.
Speaker 1:Sure, yeah, and he seems too hyped up, emotional, to ever have been like he seems pretty for a guy that's pretending he's like all messed up. He seems pretty well adjusted and like just like a regular guy oh, pretending he's all messed up, he seems pretty well adjusted and just like a regular guy.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I don't know, he's not messed up at all.
Speaker 1:No, I mean, he has nightmares, quote unquote. That's where the ghosts are.
Speaker 2:Do we ever?
Speaker 1:see him have a nightmare, I think, just one time right. I think he remembers getting held underwater, I think by his dad. And then he wakes up. Yeah, that's it, which isn't. That's not even what I would expect him to have, because he's saying that he's conflicted about murdering people, but his nightmares are about his childhood. Yeah, those two things, those aren't the same. Nope, I don't know.
Speaker 2:He goes to his cabin in the lake when he burns the photo of the guy he just killed. That's weird.
Speaker 1:Well, you don't want to have any evidence?
Speaker 2:Then he hangs a birdhouse up. He's like this birdhouse that I've had Not hung up for like the last Seven months. Gotta get it up. One man, finally have some time on my weekend.
Speaker 1:I'm going to put up this birdhouse. He does chores like I do chores, dan. I do just a little bit each week. If I have to sweep the floor, I'll do the kitchen one Saturday. The next Saturday I'll do the living room. I stretch it out as much as possible.
Speaker 2:A lot of bird houses I got 18 bird houses Downstairs.
Speaker 1:I don't know when I'm gonna get Hung up.
Speaker 2:So then his handler Shows up, a bald guy oh, dale, that's his name. He shows up. We see that, you know, henry drives a pickup truck. We see his pickup truck parked there, big pickup truck. Oh, that's what I was going to say. I rewatched the Accountant.
Speaker 1:Oh boy, I'm jealous. Whole movie from start to end.
Speaker 2:You watch a movie like that and then you watch a movie like this and then you're like make a movie like the Accountant, don't make a movie like this.
Speaker 1:Don't do this, don't do it.
Speaker 2:Everything that happens in the Accountant. You're like what's happening.
Speaker 1:Why is this?
Speaker 2:happening. You know, like when he goes and attacks the house, at the end you're just like everything about that attack is great. He's never like you know, at one point will smith is they're killing all these guys and they just like okay, now we're just gonna walk through the middle of the street with mini guns and we're gonna magically kill all of them with our mini guns before they kill us with their mini guns, even though they're all in tactical armor yeah, but they said where the weaknesses were dan.
Speaker 1:As opposed to the human body that doesn't have any weaknesses, so that's why they don't get shot did they?
Speaker 2:did they put that the dang. It's a line in there.
Speaker 1:They said you can just kill them automatically, basically yeah, yeah, that's basically what he said. He's like weak points are here and here and then at one shot, each time it's like they're pow, pow, they're all dead. It's great stuff, great shooting, but in the account man like every shot means something. If that's what your movie should be.
Speaker 2:If you're really about a guy that's a sniper, every shot should mean something in the stupid movie.
Speaker 1:Now you've brought up something that's been bothering me since I watched this the other day. Is it my nice hairdo? That doesn't bother me. I love it, dan. It's coiffed, it's beautiful. You look good Now. He is a sniper. That's his specialty. He never does that again in the movie. He does it one time and then the rest of the time he's just like a supreme, badass, all-around fighter guy. I'm confused on that because he is a sniper. That's his job. That's what he should be good. He should be good at everything that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's all just bother me. I didn't understand it. Why make him?
Speaker 2:I don't know, I don't know and that's the thing when you have somebody like the accountant, right, he's what? Is he Supremely fucked up? Yeah, he's supremely fucked up. He sure is. He's been through unimaginable shit and that has made him a total mental case, yeah. And then he's incredibly good at all these other things and you're like I buy it. That's the thing, I guess that's the thing you. You said is like he's pretty well adjusted, normal guy. You're like you know, you can imagine him just going, you know, opening the flower. He's not a. You know what's that? What's that movie?
Speaker 2:nobody right watch that movie yeah, you're like yeah, this guy's just got problems, he's just, he's just this close to just blowing up right on that edge.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, and he's yeah, but will to just blowing up Right on that edge. Oh yeah, and he's, but Will's like his retirement is going to be fine, he says nothing, he's just going to go to that Island, sit on that Island and enjoy himself. No, just chill. He's like okay, great work everybody.
Speaker 2:You can't have that Cause. It's not a character. My retirement's not even going to be that peaceful dad. You, tony, I'm doing okay and so, like, because of that, we we're, you know, like the accountant. Nobody, nobody. Both those characters, completely invested in, I feel, every blow they take. I don't want. I want them to win. I want them to win.
Speaker 1:This guy don't care, don't really care yeah, no, I don, I don't really care at all. In fact, I kind of wanted him to lose. He is, I mean, he's old Like let the kid take over. That's how I felt about it. But then they found a great way to make it work, where he's now the dad of himself. I don't know, we'll talk about it when we get there. I guess We'll talk about it when we get there.
Speaker 2:So he tells his handler I'm retiring, we made the world safer, I'm losing a step. He could have shot that kid. I got lucky 72 kills. That's his number, 72.
Speaker 1:72. I didn't do any research. That feels like a lot of confirmed kills. Is that a lot?
Speaker 2:Well, let's think about it right. How old is he? 50?
Speaker 1:48? Is that a lot? Well, let's, let's think about it right. How old is he? 50, 48 45.
Speaker 2:He said 51. They made that joke a few times. So let's put him in the army from 18 to 26. Right gets out of the army. 26, 25 years, that's three. Three kills a year. That's a lot of kills. It feels like a lot of kills, it seems like you're killing major targets.
Speaker 1:That's a lot of kills. It feels like a lot of kills. It seems like if you're killing major targets.
Speaker 2:That's a lot Okay. We go.
Speaker 1:Are there that many major targets? I feel like you pretty much saved the world at that point 70 high-profile targets, great work.
Speaker 2:World peace there would be a lot less drug dealers and terrorists and whatnot floating around. He goes to hang out at his boat. Uh, he meets danny, who is played by mary elizabeth winstead.
Speaker 1:She's the harbor master, and so of course we're all like oh, she's an actress, so that means she's someone yeah, it is unfortunate that you can't just like hire a nobody for roles that you try to pretend don't matter, because as soon as a named actor shows up, you're like, okay, well, they're going to be important. We got to figure out a way around that. We got to figure it out.
Speaker 2:Maybe we can CGI them to look like a different character and they pull off the rubber mask Of course you can.
Speaker 1:Of course, first pulling off the mask. Now you're talking about Mission Impossible. Of course, first pulling off the mask. Now you're talking about Mission Impossible. Look at you, you're doing it.
Speaker 2:So oh, so he takes his boat out. He stops at this big boat. His old war buddy is there. What, sorry, something happened.
Speaker 1:Sorry For those that listen on the radio, on the radio Ah. On the radio, grandpa Dan. I was just looking up the world's deadliest sniper, whose name I can't pronounce.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:Simo Haiha.
Speaker 2:Is it the Russian guy or Ukrainian guy?
Speaker 1:I don't know, oh yeah, all I know is he has 505 confirmed kills. So, I take back everything I said about 70. But that dude, that was World War II. Yeah yeah, yeah, you're right about that I've read about him.
Speaker 2:He would just be like you know, he just picks his position and then he just like oh guy.
Speaker 1:Just goes to town, guy driving a motorcycle dead. Oh my God, you know guy driving a car dead. You know guy driving a car dead.
Speaker 2:You know 100 soldiers marching dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, deading, and he was like you know, then he'd disappear. They like hired squads to try and get him. I think there's a movie about him.
Speaker 1:Is there. I kind of want to watch that movie Okay.
Speaker 2:If you haven't ever seen Enemy at the Gates, watch Enemy at the Gates.
Speaker 1:Enemy at the Gates. I don't know if I've seen that. What's?
Speaker 2:his name in it it's 2001.
Speaker 1:What's his name? Jude Law, ed Harris. Okay, I gotta figure this out.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna watch that this week. That's a fun movie.
Speaker 1:Very fun Copy that Anyhow. Sorry didn't mean to derail it, but 505 kills feels like a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but that's you know, that's a World War II thing where you're killing every day.
Speaker 1:I guess that's a good point. Yeah, he's not just like getting hired randomly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like nobody's doing that in their sniper career. They do all this setup and do all this prep work. Okay, so he meets his buddy and his buddy has a warning for him. He's all like, oh, he's like, that dude you killed was not a bad guy, he was a molecular biologist. And I got this information from my bro Yuri, who's in Budapest Be careful. And then we see that there's surveillance on him and the bad guys are listening and he looks up and he sees like the flash from the satellite.
Speaker 1:And you're kind of like which was pretty blatant, like it was as if a giant camera went off. Nice little flash there, that's fine. That that's fine. I don't understand how sun works. Yeah, it's kind of weird, um so now I have a question real quickly, because I don't. I mean, I don't know how things work. I don't know if you know how things work, but let's say that he did, he killed a, a good guy, yeah, does it matter?
Speaker 2:What do you mean? Does it matter?
Speaker 1:Like he's telling will like hey, he wasn't a bad guy, he was a good guy. But I mean the job's a job Like why does it matter who he is?
Speaker 2:Oh well, this is setting up the the sort of limited moral structure of the movie. Right that there's good people to kill and there's bad people to kill and that, but that's just not right. You killed this, you killed this good person and and then in a in a in a in another movie where things are truly morally conflicted, you know your guy would make the argument it's like, yeah, but he was doing such and such, now he wasn't a good person.
Speaker 2:You could easily make the argument for even a good person needs to be quieted, sometimes because of what might happen. You know, yeah, but this movie is like black and white. You have good kills and this. Now you just made a bad.
Speaker 1:they're just really trying to make this sniper a good guy, cause he only kills bad guys. Yes, I just. You know I a good guy because he only kills bad guys.
Speaker 2:Yes, I just, you know, I just, that's just not the way the world works. Everybody, no, I don't know, I kill whoever I have to. Um, okay, okay, dan, so boom, boom, boom. He sees, so, so clivo and our bad guy, varus they were listing in to his whole conversation, so they know everything. And then there's this other woman who's like sort of the real boss, but varus is sort of like her henchman, but not really her.
Speaker 1:I didn't totally understand this part.
Speaker 2:You know it's like we're working together, even though I kind of do and kill who you want me to say. And then he runs a project called gemini. Which the interesting thing about Project Gemini, right? So we're thinking, okay, this is Project Gemini, that means there's all sorts of clones, right, that's what it has to be.
Speaker 1:That's what I was under the assumption.
Speaker 2:What we're going to find out is they cloned one person and everybody else is just a random paramilitary thing.
Speaker 1:And so what is Project Gemini? Exactly, Because, I honestly don't know, dan. It seems like it's just an elite team of soldiers. Well, it's a whole school right it is a whole school at one point which you were, you were not expecting and everybody's just like training out in the open and there's like because what are they't there?
Speaker 2:signs that say Gemini. I thought there was a big sign.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a camp, it's like a summer camp. I don't understand, because then in his speech his whole thing is like we don't want to send regular people, we want to send clones that don't have feelings, but my project Gemini is not that. So I don't understand. I don't understand. I'm very confused and the movie's called Gemini man, but Project Gemini isn't. I don't get it. I straight up don't understand it.
Speaker 2:Dan it's one clone and then another clone we find out about later. But it's also a bunch of random guys that drive around Just regular men and women that are being trained to be good at.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's just regular. I don't know what's the difference between this training and the regular training. Who's paying for all of this and how are they paying for it? Who's paying for all this? Did nobody who knew that there was a clone? I don't understand anything that happened.
Speaker 2:Anyhow continue. There was a clone. I don't understand anything that happened. Can you have continue and that? Well, the? The other big thing is, you know the conceit of the movie is they're gonna just, they're just, they just decided they're gonna want to kill oh he, so that he and the other fbi or cia, or I mean she doesn't, they don't even give her a title, they don't even say yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Cia fbi nsa.
Speaker 2:They don't even title her, which is insane. Every movie like this, you title your person, so you can understand what it is they're doing?
Speaker 1:who's who's where? Who's doing what? Who do you work for?
Speaker 2:nope we don't even know where she works. I mean not at all he. He can find out and call her anywhere in the world and then say people are there to kill her, even though they that scene really dopey um, but really dope, so they're all like he's gotta die, or he varus is like he's gotta die and she's all like I don't know and I don't know either.
Speaker 1:Why does he need to die?
Speaker 2:he killed the guy he killed the, and so he's going to start pulling at strings, and then their whole plan will get.
Speaker 1:It doesn't seem like he is. I don't know if I agree with that. Well, I mean, I guess he did say I need to talk to the contacts.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was going to go to Budapest and talk to the Yuri guy. Yeah, here's the other question why is he taking that shot in budapest? And gemini man isn't junior, isn't?
Speaker 1:uh, I don't know, maybe, maybe here's here.
Speaker 3:Maybe this was always the plan to kill him but why don't you?
Speaker 1:just go. You are always gonna kill.
Speaker 2:Why don't you just go? Why don't you just go? You can't kill here. You can't kill will. Come on man, he's too good right.
Speaker 1:So I don't know, why don't you just go? Why don't you just go? You can't kill here. You can't kill will. Come on, man, he's too good, right.
Speaker 2:So I don't know, I don't understand if, if you don't, if there's not even a reason, why will? Because your gemini man, he's just as good, right it's supposedly better.
Speaker 1:I thought I don't know. I mean he's younger.
Speaker 2:He's younger's going to be better.
Speaker 1:And then your third who's not the Gemini man? I'm not sure who Gemini man is, to be honest with you.
Speaker 2:You mean Junior Junior?
Speaker 1:Junior Junior, junior Junior. Yeah, yeah, double Junes, he's the best because he's like jumping off walls and stuff. Right, hold on.
Speaker 2:Let's ask this third question. I think at a certain point they said they tried to kill that dude like four or five or six times, right, the dude that they killed at the beginning. Why aren't you sending Will? Why isn't Will your number one? Isn't he number one? He's the guy you're cloning. He's the guy you're cloning.
Speaker 1:He's the best. He's the best. They say he's the best of bunch.
Speaker 2:So there's only three people you would be sending to do that hit. There's no six other guys. There's Henry, there's Gemini Jr and then Junior Jr. Those are the only three guys you're ever sending to kill that guy.
Speaker 1:Right, Well, except for Team Gemini right. Which is just a bunch of random people, the whole team Sending 50 people to do that job. I don't know. I'm telling you, man, this movie doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2:Okay, so he's back somewhere. He finds a tracker. Where did he find a tracker?
Speaker 1:On the boat or something. Oh, he finds a thing in his boat. His boat's being tracked, so he confronts danny which is which is weird, dan, because we find out later, he has a tracker in his arm. Yeah, so why do they need to put a tracker on the boat?
Speaker 2:because that tracker in his arm is he's being tracked by varus. The boat tracker is normal cia tracker, nsa tracker that's an NSA tracker versus a Gemini tracker. Now he spends like 15 minutes interrogating Danny and, like you, don't know slash harassing like he's pretty rude to her and he does all this and then at the end of it you know he's all like. I was just being paranoid. You're not really who it is. Let's go out on a date.
Speaker 1:And then what does she say? Absolutely, she says yes. What are you talking about? That is ridiculous. I mean, I understand that she is an agent, which at that point you have to be like, okay, she's obviously an agent, because a normal person would never say yes to this because he just threatened her and yelled at her and she should not be on that date. That's super weird.
Speaker 2:Now you want to keep track of Will Smith. How do you do that, tony? Do you hire someone to sit in a little boathouse who will interact with him for 30 seconds?
Speaker 1:Maybe twice a day, oh no.
Speaker 2:Maybe twice a week, maybe one day a week, see him, for, you know, maybe a total of about a minute and that's your person who is keeping track of the greatest assassin in the United States.
Speaker 1:Well, we sent a relatively sort of good-looking young lady so we knew he was going to creep on her. No, no.
Speaker 2:He doesn't have relationships. We established that later.
Speaker 1:Everyone knows he doesn't. We do establish that later. That's true, he's incapable of it.
Speaker 2:Is that a real question? I mean, you know, when they're keeping track of Captain America, they put the world's hottest blonde in the apartment next to him.
Speaker 1:And it works for a while. That would work. That's a good movie.
Speaker 2:I should rewatch that. Who was it that played her?
Speaker 1:Oh, I wish I could remember her name. She does that show. She did that show for a while Does she do that show?
Speaker 2:She does that show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, what was it? Reckless, restless.
Speaker 2:Which was for Captain. Captain Restless America. She does, captain Restless.
Speaker 1:Civil War. I can't remember her name. I feel bad. She was in a big show for a long time. Dan, you don't remember this, I think that was in.
Speaker 2:She was in Winter.
Speaker 1:Soldier, not Civil War, yeah you're absolutely right, you're an idiot. Oh God, I'm so bad at this, oh my. God, because we really need to know that actress's name Emily something. Right Post. I'm pretty sure it's Emily something. It is Emily Van Camp. Yep, Revenge. I was way off on the name of the show. The show's name is Revenge. I was way off on the name of the show. The show's name is Revenge. But that was a fun show for a while. Yeah, she's great.
Speaker 2:Okay. So he shows up for the date with flowers and then he just totally blows her cover. He's like I know where you went to school, I know this. And then she's like my dad was in the FBI and then we talk about where we were military people together. Was in the FBI, and then we talk about where we were military people together.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I mean it's dumb Talk about their chemistry, Tony. Okay, well, when I find it, I'll let you know. Here's what's weird right. Will is a charming guy. I mean, he used to be, I assume he still is no, he used to be, I assume he still is used to be. You think it's gone. You think he and not to get you know, too personal, you think he's kind of I think you know something snapped and he lost that charm.
Speaker 2:I think so I think that easy. I mean, I believe it I think, that easy charm got beaten out of him by relationships, sure, or a relationship?
Speaker 1:yeah, well, let's, let's not speculate, but I agree, um, but here's, you know, I saw the trailer for bad boys, the new bad boys it looks pretty good. I'm I'm excited. I'm gonna see it pretty soon when it comes out on vod, because I'm not going to the movie theaters anymore, but I hope it's good. I don't know, I don't know where I was going with that, but it's not in this movie he's pretty charmless in this movie and that's pretty bad for Mr Will Smith.
Speaker 2:He was okay as Deadshot. He seemed like there was something going on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I enjoyed that. He had some good jokes and you know, and then some emotional beats. Yeah, no, I liked him, I enjoyed that. When was that? Was that 2015? Is that when? That's when the good?
Speaker 2:movies were all made. We do a scene with his buddy's boat, but he gets killed and his girlfriend gets killed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean. That's really sad though, because, like the poor mistress gets murdered for no reason, you know she shouldn't sleep with married guys, especially married spooks. Well, she probably didn't know that he was a spook. She probably knew he was married, but not the spook bar. She was probably a Russian asset. Oh, so we're doing. You know, actually it's good, we're cleaning up the streets. All right, got it.
Speaker 2:So he gets a magic alert because his friend got killed.
Speaker 1:And does it say alert Something I don't know.
Speaker 2:So he takes off, he gets his go bag, he calls his buddy, reno his spotter from the train and we listen as a spotter gets killed, killed, he goes to now real quickly.
Speaker 1:The spotter is also some sort of agent, right? Yeah. So like when, when another agent calls you and is like, hey, one dude's dead and we're probably next, do you just go? Nah, I'm good bro, I'm good, I'm fine, don't worry about oh, I'm dead. It was a weird conversation. He should be like, oh shit, all right, here we go, let's go you would think that that's what I would, you know, like.
Speaker 2:If you called me and you said, dan, we're, we're doing it, we're doing a show, I'd be like, oh okay, let me turn on my computer and do the things necessary to do a show.
Speaker 3:I wouldn't be like nah, we're not doing a show, why would we do a show?
Speaker 2:That'd be crazy if we did a show.
Speaker 1:It was weird. And then he died and I was like, yeah, you probably deserved it. Not like deserved it because you're a bad guy, but deserved it because you were told and you did nothing, so you're not good sorry guys, you were not good at your job.
Speaker 2:First you, first you film the kill, now you're dead.
Speaker 1:That's right. This is a guy that's filming murders.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we probably saved ourselves a a lawsuit or two by killing that guy, so he goes and he gets danny awake, then they go to the office and then somehow she goes there by herself five minutes before him so that she can get jumped.
Speaker 1:It was weird, but maybe he was just outside checking the perimeter Taking a five, taking a smoke break.
Speaker 2:So they fight and then the guy's like you better tell me what I want to know, or you're going to tell me without any teeth. And then she gets to jump on him, and then she gets the information, and then she knocks out his teeth to get the information.
Speaker 1:And all of them it was a bunch of teeth, oh yeah, she had a handful of teeth, didn't she?
Speaker 2:She had?
Speaker 1:a handful of teeth and just gave them to Will. Pretty weird.
Speaker 2:If you're going to make her that.
Speaker 1:We got to see that again right, she needs to be a supreme badass for the rest of the movie, because that is a baller movie.
Speaker 2:She needs to walk up to people, just stab them in the kneecap.
Speaker 1:Just hatchet, just machete them, you know. But no, she didn't really do much the rest of the movie. This is kind of her one moment to shine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you're like wow, that's a character trait that I'm not surprised. Never comes back. Boom, they call their buddy, he brings them a seaplane.
Speaker 1:I love this guy, Dan. I love him. He's so fun. What's his name? Something, Well, I mean that's his name in.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, that's his name in. No, that's his real name, the marvel his name is oh, is it?
Speaker 1:yeah, isn't that his name in the marvel universe too? Wow, that's great he doesn't have to learn a new name benedict wong. Yeah, that's the guy. Love that guy. He's great. He's in a different movie. It's really fun different movie. He is in it. He's in a movie that I want to see though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's, and that's the difference he's in the fun version of this movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he comes in. He's got high energy making some jokes. It's like, yes, this is where I want to live. Let's follow this guy for the rest of the movie he had the one situation in the movie I liked, which I will point out when we get to it. Okay, you point it out later.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's say we don't want to spoil it too early in the podcast. So he's got a sea plane. They take off. He calls uh will, calls his old handler, and he's like it's not me, but they're gonna kill you. Um, and then they figure out that it's clay varus. And then they go to columbia and then we learn that clay varus was like somebody that that w Wong and him served with and he was an asshole and he was controlling. I guess it was kind of like their dad, but not their dad.
Speaker 1:Because they're all the same age.
Speaker 2:He was dadding at them before he was the dad of Junior.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now all right, okay, junior. Yeah, now all right, okay, and I? This is maybe they say this in the movie, but help me reverse engineer all of this. Engineering will smith 51? They hit that pretty hard in the movie. Junior looks 23. Is that what they said?
Speaker 2:something that's about right. Yeah, 23 young 25 22, 25.
Speaker 1:Yeah, clones start as babies, right? Yep, that started babies, so they.
Speaker 2:They did this 20 years ago 23 years ago at least 20 20 and when do we think he got into the army?
Speaker 1:because that makes him 27, 28 when they clone him. Was he really already the best sniper in the world that early in his career? That's 20 years. He really already the best sniper in the world that early in his career?
Speaker 2:That's 20 years. He probably was the best sniper in the world at that point.
Speaker 1:So you're saying this guy's been on top of the game for 20 years. Yeah, that's a long time. I don't know. It feels a little far-fetched.
Speaker 2:More importantly, the dude we killed at the beginning. Isn't he the clone guy? Or is he the guy that made the cloning even better, or something?
Speaker 1:Something like that. I think it's that. Second one where he like fixed something in the algorithm. I don't know if it's an algorithm.
Speaker 2:But if we have perfect clones 23 years, you know we have.
Speaker 1:Right. Well, that's why it's weird, right, Because he's working now, ostensibly, but we already have two good clones. 23 years ago and then probably 18, I would say that kid looked. You know it doesn't make any sense, that timeline doesn't make any sense. Why are we killing him now? Why?
Speaker 2:are we killing this teen guy now?
Speaker 1:So weird.
Speaker 2:They want a lot, right, they want it to all tie together, because that's the thing. When you write a movie, you want it all to tie together. But sometimes, when you tie it all together, it stops making any sense.
Speaker 1:It just doesn't make no sense at all. But hey, good for them for trying yeah.
Speaker 2:But when you're watching the movie, you don't think about those things I. But when you're watching the movie, you don't think about those things I don't think about those things so much.
Speaker 1:I either did. I've been. I've just been thinking about it for the last three days. That's why so Okay.
Speaker 2:So then he remembers yeah, there's been an asshole. He wakes up in the hotel and they he. He wakes up cause he knows there's a sniper on the roof. I don't know how he knows there's a sniper on the roof.
Speaker 1:I don't know how he knows there's a sniper on the roof. I don't know why the sniper was. Oh, I always know when snipers are on roofs near me.
Speaker 2:If I was a sniper, I'd have been on the roof across the street and then I just shot him through the window when he got him yeah you'd be sniping, but instead he'd be, you know, doing your job. Instead he figures it all out, and then so he goes in one direction. So the danny and uh and uh, what's benedict long's name in this movie? I wrote it down somewhere. Oh, he had a good name too now.
Speaker 1:So here's yeah, he's like he's gonna follow me. So oh yeah, what's his name? Baron, it's a bad name. Baron, it's not a good name. That's not a name. That's not a good name. Isn't that a title? It is that baron von schnumpf. So all right, so he's like this baron von mc sneezey pants hey, there you go excuse me okay um, so he's like the's going to follow me so you two can escape, but he uses the word sniper specifically.
Speaker 2:As soon as he gets outside of the building.
Speaker 1:Wouldn't he be shot? Isn't that what snipers do?
Speaker 2:No, snipers stand on top of the building and shoot down into a building. That's their secret plan Into the building. Then, when there's that hole, they look through the hole.
Speaker 1:Ah, I don't see him. I must have lost him, I don't know. It doesn't make no sense.
Speaker 2:So then we begin a giant chase. He gets on a motorcycle Once his name gets on a motorcycle, they ride up a thing. Ride up a thing, they shoot at each other, they shoot at each other, they shoot each other, they shoot the mirror. Then they crash. And then he uses the, the motorcycle, as a weapon. He kicks him with the motorcycle, he rams him with the motorcycle, he jumps him with the motorcycle, he jumps the motorcycle up on top of a car and does a little motorcycle dance bitch slaps him with the motorcycle.
Speaker 1:Okay, this it was a great moment and it made me laugh out loud on an airplane. Yeah, this, this, this scene has some high highs and some low lows.
Speaker 2:It's all over the board, uh, but the bitch slap was was pretty great I thought it was fairly entertaining and I also thought that and and this is a thing a lot of people are, you know, normal people reviewed the cgi. I thought was really good oh yeah, no, no, they.
Speaker 1:I mean they did a solid job, which is amazing. What the movie? Thank god, because if it wasn't, this movie would be horrible, it would be unwatchable. Yeah, I don't know. Here's what I was just talking about, the cgi.
Speaker 1:Now a lot of people were like, oh, the de-aging doesn't look as great. They didn't de-age anything. This is a totally different technique that they use. So usually de-aging is like airbrushing and making them look younger. What they did is they took young footage of young Will and like AI'd the shit out of that and then just put that mask on old will's face. So it's different technique and it's really creepy. Oh, really, you thought it was really creepy. I sometimes and I think part of it's because the movie's also shot in 120 frames per second, so everything is like hyper realistic. Movies are usually shot in 24 frames per second, so it's got that motion blur. It's a little bit like this is all very sharp edge, okay, so every once in a while, the face when it moves was just like what's going on a little alien-y, but in general I thought, I thought it all looked pretty nice um, yeah, I I.
Speaker 2:It didn't bother me, I would you know. I didn't think I was looking at a plastic person all the time. Yeah, the flip side of that is he doesn't seem younger and he doesn't seem different at all. It just feels like acting wise. Yeah, the two of the two of them are just like it's it's just even like when they walk, they still like. Well, I like that I like that they, they, you know know did all this stuff the same that made sense to me, but but do you think you walk the same way you did?
Speaker 2:20 years ago.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't go into the light, dan don't do it. Uh, um, I don't know, maybe it's fine, I don't walk the same way each time I walk you know, maybe you're not the person to ask about that.
Speaker 2:Your body is crumpling before my eyes, all right um, I, I like that, but I just I, you wanted there to be like a different pitch to his voice or something just like something that was like a different energy to it yeah, that he. You know you want maybe what's will to be broken down, but I mean that's the whole premise is that he's he's literally exactly the same, which I I don't believe that you could. If you did clone someone, they would not be exactly the same so what I mean?
Speaker 1:I agree with you 100, and that comes down to the nature versus nurture right argument of things which we again don't talk about at all. But the whole point is, clive owen has raised this kid in like a loving, supportive relationship or something but he hasn't, but he hasn't.
Speaker 2:See, that's the one, that's the. There's one point at which clive owen is yelling at him I raised you in a loving family and you're just like that's true, you're thinking you did that, but you're. You're exactly the same as his horrible dad.
Speaker 1:To be fair, my father would say the exact same thing in that exact same tone as he's whooping me with a belt. You know what I'm saying? He didn't do that. I'm making that part up. No but, yeah. I mean you're right. You know, I guess you're right, yeah, it's all weird.
Speaker 2:This is Unloving loving families. So yeah, that was like another thing that I liked in the movie, but I don't know how intentional it was, but you know, it was kind of interesting. But yeah, he is just exactly the same, they're sort of exactly the same, and so you don't get anything out of it. It never becomes spooky enough that they're exactly the same. Yeah, but if they'd have been a little different, it might've, there might've been interesting contrasts with them. Yeah, but there's not on the internet.
Speaker 2:They everybody says Will Smith's like a terrible actor in this movie.
Speaker 1:I don't. I don't know if he's terrible, but he's pretty flat. I mean, we talked about it. That's the charmlessness, I think. I think people that see this are expecting Will Smith, and I don't think we get Will Smith.
Speaker 2:I don't think he's terrible by any means, he just plays this sort of dour guy and we don't want to really spend any time with him.
Speaker 1:No, I want to spend time with Wong. That's Mr Benedict Wong over there. That's who I want to hang out with all day. You mean Baron? I'm not going to say Baron, I don't like that name, I don't agree that it is a name, so I'm not going to call him that.
Speaker 2:So they do a big fight. Camera work was good, Good chase, You're like okay. And then what you don't realize is that was the end of that. Any other action in this movie not as good?
Speaker 1:Even like the climactic fight scene is pretty pale in comparison. Climactic fight scene the worst of the fight?
Speaker 2:The action goes downhill. You think it goes downhill?
Speaker 1:The whole movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, pretty much downhill.
Speaker 1:So boom, you peaked in high school guys. The cops show up.
Speaker 2:They arrest him, then Medic Wong and Mary Lynn Winstead they go and they just oh, we're going to dress up in these outfits and just bail you out instantaneously.
Speaker 1:And then we don't want to spend any time with that because it doesn't actually make much sense if you think about it.
Speaker 2:We do it really quick because it was interesting when the cops are coming in and arresting him. I was like whoa, that's a sticky pickle. And then it was not a sticky pickle and then it was not a sticky pickle, it was just like whatever.
Speaker 1:The opposite of a sticky it's a slippery nipple. Uh, because they don't deal with it all. And he's just like oh well, thanks for getting me out, guys. Why did he even get arrested? What's the point? They didn't know how to end the other scene, maybe like they didn't know how to get them away from each other without one of them killing the other one I, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Super weird, and he ghosts out Junior, just like ghosts out. When you hear the police sirens, he's just like Gone, gone, vapors, very weird. So then they're like we're going to go to Budapest. They're like, oh, we got to steal a good plane. And then boom, they're just in the plane. No stealing of the plane, no, interesting stealing. I think I know a guy. We don't know who the guy is. Does he steal it from Bill Gates? We don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, we don't need to worry about it. Did she have to?
Speaker 2:put Bill Gates' name on the thing, or Elon Musk. Don't you need to make it somebody's plane.
Speaker 1:I mean you should. You should just Because who just has a guy Like that? Should you should just because who just has a guy like that?
Speaker 2:I understand that. That's like a cliche, it's like oh, I've got a guy, you know, that does this.
Speaker 1:No, there is no guy stole it, but doesn't he call somebody about I?
Speaker 2:think the idea is I know a guy who we can steal one from, and so they steal it but we missed all the fun heist stuff, of course, of course. That would be fun.
Speaker 1:We just cut to Mr Benedict Wong singing in the airplane, which I did. Love the singing, that's fun. I don't know, man. I guess you're right, though I got a guy I know a guy that has a plane that we can take without asking, I guess yeah he says something like that.
Speaker 2:And so then what do we have the woman doing Cleaning Will's wounds? I hate that. I hate, you know it just really was sort of dopey. It was such a manufactured way of them connecting.
Speaker 1:Bonding. Yeah yeah, it's not great. Let's see.
Speaker 2:Then we talk a little bit about how he looked like you, Boom, boom, boom. Then we go back to Clive Owen and Junior and then it's in his house and we see behind him he has a giant shoe collection wall.
Speaker 1:Oh, I didn't even notice that. Whose shoes are they? Are they Junior's or are they Clive Owens? I think they're Clive Owens. He's a sneakerhead. You got to watch out for those sneakerheads. They will clone you and beat you, or maybe it was Junior.
Speaker 2:Maybe it was Junior's room. Yeah, it probably was Junior's room, you're probably right.
Speaker 1:I feel like it's probably not Only because is he allowed out of the house. Why does he need so many shoes? You can't wear those shoes on a mission. You got to wear soulless black leather or something I assume.
Speaker 2:Doesn't he say at some point that they don't get girls because they're afraid of them seeing the darkness, or something?
Speaker 1:Yeah, seeing the real you. Yeah, still a virgin. What a nerd.
Speaker 2:So then he's tending the clones wounds and then he scolds him and then he's gotta embrace the fear and overcome it and he's like, do you want a? Bowl of cereal and he's like yes, sir, yes, sir, I'd like a bowl of cereal. Please, sir, don't put me in the cage sir so weird?
Speaker 1:yeah, it's bizarre um and oh sorry, I was going to the next thing, and he's also like you gotta go get. Yeah, it's bizarre, why oh?
Speaker 2:sorry, no, no, keep going. I was going to the next thing.
Speaker 1:Well, he's because and he's also like you just you got to go get this guy, but he has an elite team. Send oh you can't send, you can't send them around.
Speaker 2:You can't send the team around. You got to send one guy.
Speaker 1:What, why? What's the why? Do you have a team? What is the team for Dan Fighting on US soil? You think they're local? I don't know. I don't know. It's bizarre, it's a bad plan.
Speaker 2:So then we cut to this scene that we automatically know is on a backlot of the Gemini guys fighting terrorists and we're like, oh, that's fake, you know, let's go there for a second, let's unpack this scene, okay great, yeah, talk to me. So what we have is we have a bunch of hostages fleeing this building, Then we have terrorists come out, Then we have guys with machine guns and mines that blow up cars Like literally we see blowing up.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, you gotta train like it's the game, baby, and instantly.
Speaker 2:You knew it was a fake back lot and it was gonna. We knew it was a fake fake back lot, right, of course, yeah. And then we find out it's a fake, fake, you know. Then they do you know scene. And then they're like everybody go to lunch Scene.
Speaker 1:And then Handcut Great work.
Speaker 2:Well, smith's character is there. Junior is sitting there eating an ice cream cone, yeah, hanging out. Clive shows up and he's like you've got to go to Budapest. And he's like, okay, now we're going to unpack this scene.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Because nobody's unpacked this scene before, and this is the most telling thing. Huh, tony, yeah, you know, you say you're an actor but you, okay, that's a hurtful accusation.
Speaker 1:The way you just said that, that was hurt, hurtful. You say you're an actor, you don't work at all, but you say it. Oh my, all right, finish your question, you monster, but you joined the workforce, rightly so.
Speaker 2:But if you were still trying to be an actor and you saw the added variety. You dollars, you know 150.
Speaker 1:What year is this dan?
Speaker 2:45 dollars um here's a banana.
Speaker 1:Come out and act.
Speaker 2:I'll do it, all those actors that are showing up there and then they leave, and what they're posting all that on fucking facebook and instagram oh yeah, that's that.
Speaker 1:You're into your social media and the shit out of. That's the coolest job you've ever had, absolutely.
Speaker 2:You're in this fake paramilitary town that has a big sign, big, big, big sign that says Gemini, gemini.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, what the fuck is that. Well, they kill you. So here's what you don't see on that, dan, is that they send you out into what is the lot. They're like go, go, get changed after you're done and shower up, and then you go in there and then you you're, you're murdered, you can't do the shower up and get murdered.
Speaker 2:You can't do that, don't okay? So that's, that's. You can't go that's somebody else.
Speaker 1:That's somebody else that does that.
Speaker 2:Okay, um yeah, like you're, you're implicating all of these people in your highly illegal secret making. Seems pretty weird, making an army paramilitary army.
Speaker 1:Listen, dan, they had to sign an NDA, okay, and you can't break NDAs. You cannot do it.
Speaker 2:As we found out with 34 felonies, okay, as we found out with 34 felonies, okay, and then, oh so, when they get to Budapest, danny, gets his DNA tested and he goes back and then she's all like you're his clone.
Speaker 1:Now again, I feel like we've done this argument before about clones. Yeah, because her she handles it like a pro. She's like they're identical, he's your clone. If this is me and I have just found out that there's a fucking clone in the world, I'm a bit more excited than that. They're just so nonchalant. She's like get your clone. It's a hundred percent match. It's got to be a clone. I don't know, man, I I said is it really not that big of a deal that we're cloning humans?
Speaker 2:I mean, it would be fucking weird to see yourself that would.
Speaker 1:That would just okay, I mean yeah, yeah for on many levels, one of which is like why would you choose me? You?
Speaker 2:know we talk about we, we get into that, we're going to talk about that um great, great, great. Yeah, it's super weird and he doesn't react to it at all. And it isn't it. They like we're not gonna make that a thing they don't make anything a thing.
Speaker 1:That's the point of the movie um, yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 2:So then he's all like why clone me? Why don't you clone doctors or scientists? Well, you don't clone doctors or scientists because that's a profession you have to, and then you have to teach them, all those things, and then they say they can't shoot, and then they say they can't shoot, and then the character says they can't shoot people. And then you're like well, neither could he, except you had to invest an incredible amount of time and money to make him into a person that could shoot somebody.
Speaker 1:In the training. Yeah, that's not just like he didn't just one day wake up, grab a gun and just shoot 400 yards with a pistol. You know what I mean. One day wake up, grab a gun and just shoot 400 yards with a pistol you learn. It's a learned skill.
Speaker 2:I don't know. We look at Tony right, let's take a look at that guy, he grew up in a different environment, he might have gained some useful skills other than acting.
Speaker 1:I don't know about that. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. We're asking a lot of young tony at this point.
Speaker 2:I don't know you know, to young. You know, tony's gonna be clone tony. Clone tony's gonna have actually, you know, worked on his life and clone tony has to apply himself and do things.
Speaker 1:I feel terrible for this guy. I'm going to rescue him. I'm going to rescue him. We're going to go on buddy adventures, tony and me, okay.
Speaker 2:So they go meet Yuri. They all have to put on bathrobes, and then did they have to. It was so weird. It was so weird that everyone was wearing bathrobes.
Speaker 1:What's weirder is in the background. I'm pretty sure some guys are just free-balling it. Oh really, I'm almost positive. One of the old dudes that walked by in the background just had his junk out.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm sure he did.
Speaker 1:I'm almost positive. I didn't want to rewind it on the airplane and focus on it, just in case people were watching. I'm pretty sure. Do you guys see a?
Speaker 2:penis there. Do you guys see that? So yuri says I admire your work. And he's like what does that mean? What does that mean?
Speaker 1:and so somehow yuri knows, like everyone, that this guy's killed and yet they make a big deal out of it and then don't tell us why he knows and don't they make it seem like at some point we're gonna find out that they're like videotaping him doing all these things?
Speaker 1:yes, something like there's some sort of chronicling that's happening because will is making a deal. He's like what, how do you know all that? What then? We don't do it, we don't answer, we don't deal with it. It was just like yeah, don't worry about it. And he's like okay, I won't.
Speaker 2:You thought that was gonna be a third act thing, right, I thought it was I thought it was gonna be something.
Speaker 1:It doesn't have to be. A third act could have happened in that scene, for all I care, but I would have liked to know, because you posed the question, it's your own question and then you don't answer it, and that frustrates me so he just basically says the guy that you killed made a breakthrough.
Speaker 2:And then there's something about you gotta find the lab and you were the missile or something yeah, okay, so will says why don't you just fall asleep during this scene?
Speaker 1:this is one of my favorite lines of the movie dan because will. What's his name? Harry Henry.
Speaker 2:Henry, you just think of that character and say Henry, no.
Speaker 1:Henry, Henry Hank. So he asks why don't you just send a missile? And then Yuri says we are sending a missile, You're the missile. Who's sending what missile? To where? Yuri is sending the missile to them because he just told him the information and he's the missile. So he's going to go kill.
Speaker 2:Clive Owen.
Speaker 1:Yuri wants him to go kill Clive Owen. I don't know. Maybe I don't know. I think he just thought it sounded cool.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know it doesn't make much sense, but you know you're the missile. I've always wanted to be a missile.
Speaker 2:I was going to make a very mean joke.
Speaker 1:I would like to hear it. You know what Everybody out there wants to hear it.
Speaker 2:Dan Do it. There were two atomic bombs.
Speaker 1:You finished it, don't check it out now. You finished it. Don't chicken out now you finished this. One of them was called.
Speaker 2:Fat Boy and the other one was called Little John or something, little John. Little something, but the one was Fat Boy and it's like this big round bomb, terrifying. Sorry, tony, that's me Terrible stuff.
Speaker 1:Terrible stuff. Don't you apologize to me? You own that shit, jesus.
Speaker 2:No, Jerry Seinfeld explained to me that. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Is this from Unfrosted? Did he explain something to you I?
Speaker 2:gotta be more woke.
Speaker 1:Oh, so in his real life, his real comments, because you can't make good comedy anymore.
Speaker 2:I saw my buddy Randy yesterday and he was like you guys were so right about Unfrosted.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, it's not great, it's unfortunate.
Speaker 2:Okay, it's great. So he calls the CIA lady and it's like okay, I'm going to meet up with the thing. No, no, no. He says you've got to take Danny in and she's all like okay, send Danny here. So Danny goes to this castle as they're going on her. He hits on her I think is weird and then she goes in the courtyard. There he is, he's got a gun.
Speaker 1:Well, hold on, let's talk about it. I love this little stuff. So she asks why he thinks that this is going to work and he's like I know his taste Because it's also my taste. He's only 51.
Speaker 2:So she goes in there and then he's all like Junior's, like strip, so she takes off her clothes and I'm like, okay, now you got my interest.
Speaker 1:All right, junior Way to go guy.
Speaker 2:So he checks her hair, and then he checks her butthole, he checks stuff.
Speaker 1:Man, he's down there for a minute, he's checking.
Speaker 2:He's thorough. He spends some time in her underwear.
Speaker 1:It's weird, it's just weird, it's weird because it's one of those things that's like and maybe this will get me in trouble but it could be a sexy moment if there's a connection between the two. That could be a sexy moment if there's a connection between the two. Right, that could be fun. Or it could be like an awkward moment where it's like she's not, she likes the older guy and you know, and then he's just doing his job, but they just do nothing. It's just a weird. It's just weird because no one makes a choice on anything and it's just it is completely non-sexual.
Speaker 2:It is the most non-sexual thing.
Speaker 1:It's not everything. Why is it even in the movie? We don't need this whole scene. It's two minutes of him feeling her up below the camera. There's nothing. There's no sort of connection. I don't know why it's in the movie. They did it for me, this is for you, dan Goodsell. Cheers.
Speaker 2:Okay, this is for you, dan Goodsell Cheers. Okay. So then he has 12 minutes to go to the catacombs and then he drives a cab and she's like that's a good idea. She's like where are you from? He's like Atlanta. And then you're like he's got a big heart and you've got a big heart and you're both clones. So then he goes to the Budapest catacombs and then she's all like oh, you're putting on night vision glasses. Oh, you got a gas mask. Oh, you put a trip wire.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're tying me up right here where somebody could find you you're doing this almost verbatim, by the way, so that's pretty great, and then will smith just goes in there and flash, grenades him because he's wearing night vision and then just disables him.
Speaker 2:And then it's just like okay, I've got you all disabled, but I'm not tying you up, I'm not knocking you out.
Speaker 1:It's just like just gonna let you hang out for a minute. So he hangs. There's no way that'll backfire.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna hold my gun right up close to you.
Speaker 1:So when you want to knock it away, which you're not supposed to do you are not supposed to get that close, because they can.
Speaker 2:So of course, then at a certain point you know after they like talk about. I know who you are, I know who you are. You sneeze four times whenever it's the solstice. You sneeze four times whenever it's the solstice. You like your burgers with the. Take both buns and flip them over, and then you take the cheese and you eat the cheese off of it first.
Speaker 1:It's like, okay, not all those things would be the same, they couldn't all be the same. I just don't believe that's how genetics works.
Speaker 2:But I don't know. You can imagine one of them might like spicy foods, you know? No, there was another day in Goodsell he would not approach food as insanely as I approach food he might. That's true.
Speaker 1:Nobody would.
Speaker 2:Nobody would. He might approach it insanely, but it wouldn't be the same way as me. It wouldn't be the same.
Speaker 1:No, insanely, but it wouldn't be the same way as me. It wouldn't be the same. And even, like you said, spicy food. Right, I love spicy food. I can't handle spicy food. I still do it and then I'm sick afterwards. I don't imagine someone else would do the same thing, because they're not going to be that stupid.
Speaker 2:Another Tony might be like Mr Vanilla. He's just like I like the vanilla.
Speaker 1:That's all I need to do, and that's great. I'm happy. Now will he still be fat? Of course, because that you can't change.
Speaker 2:You can't change that shit. So then of course he gets away. They fight. There's like this one part where they're fighting and there's like slow motion grunts, oh, oh. Then they fall into a. Okay, Tony, what is the thing that they fall into?
Speaker 1:This is a pond? Is it a? I don't know what is it. It's a cistern. I think, I don't even know what that is.
Speaker 2:It's like a place where you store water, like you know, in a house, you mean like a well Kind of. I burped.
Speaker 1:Thank you for letting us know. We were all curious.
Speaker 2:So then she jumps in with a gun because he's drowning him. She's like let him go. He's like what are you going to do? Shoot me. Why didn't she just kill him?
Speaker 1:Well, because they like him, him why?
Speaker 2:do they like?
Speaker 1:him. I don't know the answer dan they're so worried about this junior because they're the good guys. All right, the good guys don't kill people other than the 72 people he's killed they do kill people, people they don't care.
Speaker 2:So she wings him in the wing and then he just swims away. Now, tony, if someone shot at you and you were there to kill Will Smith, wouldn't you just swim over there and then wait until she swam over there and was having to drag him out, and then go over there and kill her?
Speaker 1:Pop, pop, kill them both.
Speaker 2:So stupid.
Speaker 1:I mean I probably just would have killed Will earlier, to be honest with you. Yeah, of course you would have. He had a bunch of chances and he didn't do it. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Okay, so then they take a plane home and they talk about the poor kid, whatever at home. Ferris is, talks to him about his 12th birthday and then he's he's getting tested. So he's like I'm an orphan. How did I always wondered, how did you know when my birthday was, which, of course, what you would do is you just say that was the day we found you.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, like that was. That's the first day that we were a family yeah, that's or something, say that yeah, or just I picked a date like what does it, what does it matter? I, I don't know super weird that that's the big tell the birthday right, yeah, as if that real like go get tested, test for your birthday, kid. You don't know what your date of birth is, you idiot.
Speaker 2:Test for your birthday. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can't. That's what I'm saying. There's no test for it. You're not like a tree. I can't cut you open and count your rings.
Speaker 2:I don't know how old you are, I wouldn't tell you your birthday.
Speaker 1:Not to the date, but it would give me, like a general, a general idea of how old I am. It'd give me close to the year. How about the kids?
Speaker 2:I was like why didn't you send me? And then he's like he's your darkness. And then the kid's like maybe you're my darkness, dad which duh.
Speaker 1:How would a guy you've never met be your darkness? He didn't know he existed three days ago. Get to the end of this conversation.
Speaker 2:It's my other favorite line in this movie. And then he's like I was a loving father, don't doubt me. And then I wrote cry, cry baby, I love you son. That's what I wrote. What's the second part of that line? You didn't write it down, wrote cry, cry baby, I love you son, that's what I wrote.
Speaker 1:What's the second part of that line? You didn't write it down.
Speaker 2:Cry, cry, baby. I love you son. I don't know. That's all I wrote.
Speaker 1:Cry, cry, baby. So, Clive starts crying the kid starts crying and then Clive's like I love you, son, just don't let yourself down. That's his parting wisdom Don't let yourself down Not don't let me down, because you know I'm going to love you either way, except for I already don't love you because you're not doing your job right. But he's like don't let yourself down. As if this kid cares Such a stupid thing to say I hate fathers, jesus.
Speaker 2:So angry, yeah, oh. So they land the the plane and, as they're leaving, wong goes up and kisses the plane and then he's like we something like we had way too little time together. That I love because he's that's the part I like yeah, like, because he's a funny guy, I like that this dude walked over and kissed the plane and like because, as if they were having a relationship. Um, because they were almost like you could do that with every vehicle in the movie and that would have been a character choice.
Speaker 1:Great, yeah, he loves his machinery. Yeah, no Wonderful, he has his own plane. Does he love that plane? Doesn't seem like it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, probably should Probably should have all these things. Have names Delilah, you and those beautiful Gulfstream jet. Okay so boom, they get there. The kid's there waiting, he shoots him with bee venom.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's pretty fucked up.
Speaker 2:And then he starts dying and then he's all like I don't even know what he said.
Speaker 1:He's like it doesn't matter what he said, dan, because here's my question. Yeah, what's your question? You're deathly allergic to bees? Yeah, you don't have an EpiPen. You carry no. Such Bees can strike at any time and you have no defense. You're just one bee gets you, you're dead, I mean it's like $60.
Speaker 3:It's like $60. He had to spend his money on birdhouses man.
Speaker 1:You're not going to buy an.
Speaker 2:EpiPen, that's effort.
Speaker 1:You're right. I'm sorry I forgot how poor he is being a hitman for the government. I'm sure he's doing okay. He's got a pension. Yeah, they have those right.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I don't know what Junior wants out of all this, but basically then he un-kills him.
Speaker 1:He said something like I had to be sure which he just had to be sure that he's also allergic to bees.
Speaker 2:I guess. So yeah, that's what it was he had to be sure, that's the one thing that proves it.
Speaker 1:It's like oh, you're right, we are clones, because no one else would be allergic to bees like you and me. I don't know, man, this don't make no sense.
Speaker 2:Pretty weird, pretty weird. So then they're like, okay, they had a chip on you, that's how they keep finding you. Then they're going to drive the virus and he's all like, tell me about my mom. And you're like, oh, this is bad.
Speaker 1:And then he's like because she's not his mom, right, that's not. That's not how clones work right?
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't know you. You shared the genetic material of that woman, but you've never interacted with that woman. So you don't yeah, you don't have a relationship with that woman.
Speaker 1:So wouldn't his son technically share some genetic material with the grandmother? Wait, what are we talking about? I'm just saying like if Will had a son, yes, that would still get passed down, right, yeah, so I mean, it's weird to be like you're saying that will. Smith jr should have sex and make a baby I wasn't saying it, but I'm on board with it. I'm not that I don't know if that's how things work, because he's a clone, so we could make him do whatever we want, right? I?
Speaker 2:don't know. So var Varys calls Junior and is all like, oh, look out, they're coming. Which is really weird. Why is he warning? It's very weird.
Speaker 1:Because he loves him. He loves him, Dan. He keeps telling you he loves him. You don't believe him.
Speaker 2:So somehow they stumble onto another back lot which is supposedly actually a town. Do we ever see it?
Speaker 1:Well, cops come, but they get warned off the cops yeah, like two cop cars start coming and Clive's like don't hey, don't come in. They're like okay bud.
Speaker 2:Varys like has the secret cop number he's got a direct. Line to the chief of police. I'm a guy that can call you on your radio go away, cause there's terrorists and viral shit. He's got a direct line to the chief of police. I'm a guy that can call you on your radio Go away, because there's terrorists and viral shit. And yeah, it's not safe.
Speaker 1:All right, 10-4,. Stranger, we're turning around.
Speaker 2:Now Tony. Yeah. So they blow up the van and then the vehicle with the gunman drives towards them and drives around them and drives like another quarter of a mile and then they open the back and get out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you don't want to get too close to the explosion.
Speaker 2:So then they run inside like a diner or a convenience store, and then there's a guy set up no, sorry, there's a GIMP set up on the roof with a minigun. Yeah, he then precedes the GIMP. Who's also? This is Junior, junior, but we're not going to find that out yet. And you see him in this weird black mask, wearing like this robot outfit and you're just like what is happening. He shoots Just randomly 100,000 rounds into this store. Tony, have you ever been in a 7-Eleven?
Speaker 1:Dan, I think you know that I go to 7-Eleven quite often Because they have the most delicious food in the world. Taquitos are great, but the buffalo chicken rollers are heaven, uh. But yeah, I've been at 7-eleven.
Speaker 2:Yeah, talk to me about the level of protection that the walls in a 7-eleven would give you versus a minigun I feel confident that I could run through the wall.
Speaker 1:That's how thin I think these walls are. I could Kool-Aid man my way out of a 7-Eleven. So I would say against a bullet it would be about a 0% projection.
Speaker 2:It's paper thin, they're kneeling behind this little wall and this guy that has the high ground.
Speaker 1:Yep, totally safe. The angle yeah, they're fine. They're fine, I won't worry about it. Oh my God, it's so bad Because you know he's a clone as well, and the clones seem to not be able to kill each other.
Speaker 2:They don't seem. That's the rule they just always miss.
Speaker 1:So then, but he's the best of the best.
Speaker 2:of the best Can't shoot anybody with a minigun. So then they just go out and then they're just like kill shot, kill shot, kill shot. They just kill the whole army.
Speaker 1:Just one shot each, and this is the Gemini squad.
Speaker 2:Right, they're garbage, they are the worst team in the world, Danny, who's never seen any. I mean, I think she saw some military action, but she's never seen any CIA field action that we can assume she's ten times better than me.
Speaker 1:She's one-shotting these guys. It's a little weird, but she gets shot in the leg. And Henry, do you think that Clive Owen is on the roof just watching all this happen and be like? Well, there's $18 million wasted. These guys are trash. This is the worst investment we've ever made as a government.
Speaker 2:They are shitting so much money down all that, all that training versus terrorists and that fake town that they built and have to support and they can't do any. Commissary and somebody to clean the toilets. We were, we were at the we're, at the flea market and I went in the toilets and that's a job you don't want.
Speaker 1:That's a job man. Yeah, you know no, when Tony goes and cleans the toilets of the Gemini thing.
Speaker 2:He's just like what is going on here, and then he starts making a podcast about it, and then Gemini comes to kill him.
Speaker 1:It's not good. I only think we'd only get one episode out, so we'd have to make it a good one.
Speaker 2:Got to win all the whatever awards. Why don't we win?
Speaker 1:any podcast awards. I think you'd have to submit for such things. Start doing that, I think step one would be submitting that. Step two would be paying the entrance fees. Probably, I don't really know, I haven't looked into it. Actually, you know what Step one get an audience. That's step one.
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Speaker 2:So now Masked man is the only one left. He's a master of parkour. He's a master of not having a gun. Yeah, he doesn't need one, he doesn't need a gun. He comes and is parkouring all over their asses, just running around poles.
Speaker 1:I don't know what's going on. They shoot him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's good. They shoot him in the head, they shoot him in the leg, they shoot him in the butt, they shoot him everywhere and the bullets just go like this. They just go. They don't even like he doesn't even like recoil from the power of the bullet.
Speaker 1:No, he doesn't need it.
Speaker 2:He from the power of the ball. He doesn't need it, he's fine, he is fine. And then eventually they do the shake and bake, they do um. If they firebomb him, they throw like a thing, at it and shoots it, it explodes. And then they get him in the paint section and then the paint starts exploding.
Speaker 1:He's all like and they get there. They get their-1000 moments where he's on fire. But standing and walking at him in the fire, I'm going to tell you something, tony, tell me it.
Speaker 2:Body armor does not protect you from fire.
Speaker 1:Disagree. Oh really, I don't know. It seemed to do pretty good in this movie, his body wasn't burned at all. He had no burn marks on his face. Eventually he falls down and they take off his helmet and there's another junior. Junior junior, because he's even younger. I'm pretty sure he's younger, he seems younger, Slightly younger maybe five or six years younger.
Speaker 2:How is he this much better? I guess the dude they killed killed. This guy is getting those enhancements.
Speaker 1:But the point is but again, that would have been 18 years ago. Why are we just killing this guy now? He broke this thing wide open two decades ago. I don't understand we gotta take him out. Take him out eventually, let's not rush it. And so Clive Owen says something.
Speaker 2:So after they take him out, Clive Owen walks in and is like now's my big moment to do a bunch of talking. Yeah, you talk about his talking.
Speaker 1:Well, I just my. First of all, he describes stormtroopers. He wants a bunch of stormtroopers, a bunch of. He wants a clone army that doesn't feel anything. They edited, he said they edited out pain and, like some other, what does that mean? Edited out? How do you edit that out? They don't go into that because the science is pretty confusing. I assume but I don't understand what that we edited it out. What are you talking about?
Speaker 2:The idea would be like I take a starfish right, then I figure out how a starfish is able to regenerate his legs right. You cut off a starfish's legs. It starts growing a new little baby leg right legs and starts growing a new little baby leg right. So the idea is, maybe we find a thing, that whose pain receptors, although you are able to register pain right because there's there's definitely people who can't register pain right and what happened is, yeah, they'll stub their toe and not know they stub their toe or hurt their, break their toe, and then it becomes necrotic. So they have to be very careful about every piece of their body, but they can't feel so ostensibly. You'd program that into them somehow genetically, you know whatever that, but that's bad, I mean not bad.
Speaker 2:Sorry if that's offensive.
Speaker 1:But like there are drawbacks to, it so there has to be some way. You make it.
Speaker 2:So you, I don't know you make it so that your pain receptors are are. Don't cause you to react right sure yeah, this doesn't this. This doesn't sound doable, like when the dentist goes in with the drill and the pokey in the face. You know you're like, but it's like if you're like. That's my nightmare. It was just like this. If this, if it felt like this, you wouldn't care, Right, Would you care?
Speaker 1:Does it still sound like cause, then I would care. Okay, I still know what's going on in there.
Speaker 2:So he does, he does the whole thing and we need an army of you and then, and then, you know, at a certain point they're like okay, we, who? Is this really the audience that this pitch is gonna work on? Uh, no, all right because here's the thing I agree with him just driven away yeah, he should have probably just driven away, just live to find another day.
Speaker 2:You know what's the point of coming down here to try to you know it's like I'm gonna come into a room of people that you know are fundamentally opposed to everything. I believe.
Speaker 1:Three out three out of the four of them want to kill me, and that's that's what oh yeah, they killed baron right at the beginning too. Yeah, that he was still in the van we didn't even see his death.
Speaker 2:They were just like, oh, they killed him, it was, it was yeah, which is pretty rude. They were like you don't even need to come in for shooting this day, because we're just gonna kill you basically off screen you're not gonna make it through, we're not even gonna let you get shot or let you do something heroic. You're just just sitting in a van and you're dead.
Speaker 1:It's like you don get to do anything cool, which is a shame because he's the coolest character in the movie.
Speaker 2:You got to give a character something to do before they die.
Speaker 1:You can't just say, ah the day, Especially when he's the best friend of your main character and he basically has saved the day multiple times. Nope, just killed in a van.
Speaker 2:Nope, we don't see his face.
Speaker 1:We don't see his body there's no reason why he needs to die. Yeah, ridiculous, thank you, absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 2:So Varys is coming back to just basically say you know, all that stuff, you know I'm doing, I'm doing it.
Speaker 1:I'm doing it, baby. What the hell? Yeah, I don't know, it's a bad plan. This guy's full of bad plans. Did you see how Gem and I worked out? Not so good, not so good.
Speaker 2:And so he's like don't kill him, You're too good, You're going to be a college student and you're going to score with girls. And then Will Smith goes like this I had to rewind the movie to figure out what happened.
Speaker 1:I'm like what happened? What do?
Speaker 2:you mean that he killed him? This is the motion of killing him.
Speaker 1:That's it. Yeah, because you can't let him know that you're going to do it. It's a sneak attack.
Speaker 2:Yeah, good snipering.
Speaker 1:Which you don't really need because you've got your gun pointed at his face. So I don't know You're winning. I don't know You're winning, I don't know.
Speaker 2:And that's the end. We do a little thing where he goes and talks to his old handler and it's like you're not going to come and try to kill me and he's all like, no, you're good.
Speaker 1:Right, so the wrap up confuses me what confuses you. We don't have to talk about it too much, but like gemini shut down when I shut down who was. Who was funding we never know why.
Speaker 1:Would they just shut it down just because one, like if they thought it was going to work, wouldn't they just keep doing it? I don't see why not. Who's who? Yeah, who decided like, well, you know what, this was a bad idea. Let's, let's just scrap the whole thing. We've already put a billion dollars into this genetics and it just doesn't make any sense. There's no, there's no reason for them to shut it down. Let me tell you something, tony, all right, tell me about it.
Speaker 2:They really thought that it was financially viable to clone people. For some reason, they would never stop doing it. The government never stops doing anything based on morals. Let me rephrase that the military and that kind of thing, they will never change anything, Ever ever ever.
Speaker 1:Well, apparently they will Pretty easily.
Speaker 2:Wilson is like you. Better shut down that program or I'll. What are you going to do?
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, you're going to go Nothing. He already did everything he could. He killed the one guy. He's not going to do it again.
Speaker 2:We didn't even see. The NSA lady walked away in cuffs, did we? I don't even think we showed her.
Speaker 1:I think she's fine. Yeah, I think she's fine, I won't worry about it. And then and then will they talk. They all meet up together and they're talking and someone's like hey, how you doing? Uh, will. And he's like oh, I'm sleeping better. Why is he sleeping better? Because the nightmares are gone, because he killed clive owen why, clive owen was he wasn't having nightmares about clive owen. I don't understand. His nightmare was about his father and then all the people he's killed since right. Why did killing Clive suddenly cure all of his problems?
Speaker 2:That doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1:He's doing good in the world now he was doing good before he only killed bad guys. Remember it just doesn't make any sense. He didn't even know Clive was a problem until two weeks ago.
Speaker 2:this was not his problem. He always knew Clive was a problem. He just didn't know that he was a problem he was going to have to deal with. Yes, not a personal problem, he's not a great guy.
Speaker 1:We don't like him, but he's not thinking about him, 24 7 struggling to survive. Because he can't stop thinking about this guy. It just doesn't make any sense, pretty dopey.
Speaker 2:And that's Gemini man.
Speaker 1:And then Will becomes Junior's father and he visits him at college and it's just super weird.
Speaker 2:It's just like okay, danny's going to become Will's girlfriend. I don't know, maybe, who knows or both of their girlfriends.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Maybe who knows, or both of their girlfriends, you know, I don't know. No, I don't know. She's right in between their ages. Let's, let's be he had other girls.
Speaker 2:There are other they, you know definitely he was walking with other girls, so he's at a boy you know what junior should have walked up there with a girl that had her same haircut. That would be. That would have been interesting that would be creepy that'd be real creepy.
Speaker 1:I like it, dan. That would have been my pitch in the room.
Speaker 2:I've been like you gotta do this that'd be pretty weird and they're gonna be like no, but that would draw attention to our movie all right, we don't want people to ask too many questions, uh we just want them watching the movie and then leaving, like any 2015 movie, and then I'd be like it's 2019 are, are you? Sure. Are you sure about that? Shannon and I were talking about it. Do you have anything else to say about this movie?
Speaker 1:No, I'm all good.
Speaker 2:Did you watch the?
Speaker 1:Salt Burn movie no, it looked too weird.
Speaker 2:We were talking about it and we're just like that's the movie you gotta make now to get the kids interested.
Speaker 1:You gotta make the fucking salt burn.
Speaker 2:You know where you're just like. Okay, now he's sucking stuff out of the bottom of the Got to roll up your sleeves here. Yeah, he does like a whole thing with the bathtub after somebody was in the bathtub and you're just like okay, but he was in the bathtub and you're just like okay.
Speaker 1:I don't even like to take a bath, because I don't like sitting in the filth.
Speaker 2:So that's terrible. You would not like this scene, but you know the kids they want. This is not what the kids want anymore. They want they want something where you twist in the knife.
Speaker 1:Kids are weird. Kids are weird.
Speaker 2:They're doing all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 1:You know they're kids.
Speaker 2:They're doing all sorts of things. All the drugs have already been done, not to say they're not going to do drugs, but all the drugs have already been done.
Speaker 1:Until we create new ones.
Speaker 2:Music's been done, counterculture already been done. Until we create new ones, music's been done, counterculture's been done. That's why the whole sort of sexuality thing is very big in kid culture now, because it hasn't been done like this before. And that's why they're like this is our thing. And it's like you try and tell the kids you're not allowed to do your thing. You know what the kids are going to do. They're going to do your thing.
Speaker 1:You know what the kids are going to do.
Speaker 3:They're going to do it twice or a thousand times, or a bajillion In your face, and so you know this is the Saltburn generation baby.
Speaker 2:This is not the Goonies generation.
Speaker 1:You mean the Monster Squad, because the Goonies was a trash movie for trash people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, tony. Now is the point where we talk about something we liked. I finished Dune 2 today, oh, okay, there's some good stuff in it. It's fine.
Speaker 1:I don't think that's how you're supposed to walk away from Dune 2.
Speaker 2:How am I supposed to walk away?
Speaker 1:I think you're supposed to be like wow, that was a masterpiece, oh, it's the best movie ever.
Speaker 2:I think that's how you're supposed to walk away from it, I didn't watch it, dune 1, much better, oh interesting. Dune 1, much better. Just like the sound design on Dune 1 and just like just setting everything up. You know this thing's just like and they take the thing back. You know it's like, okay, you know, I knew that was going to happen, but right, all the crafting of the world and the characters, and then they just are like, yeah, I guess we're gonna have to do the thing we do. Oh, we did it yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm still gonna watch it totally, totally, absolutely worth when I have nine hours to kill.
Speaker 1:It's not that long, it's a, it's got. It's like three right, it's just like two and a half or 240.
Speaker 2:But it's pretty breezy. I watched it in a couple of things and everybody's so good and each set piece is. You want to watch each set piece. They're all very enjoyable. Austin Butler's great Everything he does is great in it. But Dave Bautista is a lot less in it, so you're just like, oh, we lost him. But Austin's doing his thing, and what's her name?
Speaker 1:Zendaya.
Speaker 2:Zendaya. She's great. I like her. And then, what's his name? What's her name? Who plays white widow, natasha's sister? What's her name?
Speaker 1:I don't. I didn't watch a black widow. If that's what that's from, Whatever. I'm sorry, I fell off. What's her?
Speaker 2:name Midsommar.
Speaker 1:Midsommar. I didn't see that either.
Speaker 2:What about that Chris Pine movie, directed by this stupid woman, that we did on the show, where they live in the town in the desert and the eggs crack themselves and it's all an illusion? What are you talking about? We did it on this stupid show.
Speaker 1:I don't remember anything we've done before this week.
Speaker 2:It was directed by the woman who was one of House's assistants.
Speaker 1:House's assistant, like Gregory House from the TV show House Okay the blonde one, no, the hot brunette, and she was like married to someone. Oh, oh, oh no, the hot brunette, and she was like married to someone. Oh, oh, oh, from Cowboys and Aliens.
Speaker 2:Oh, she was from Cowboys and Aliens. She was the hot girl in the new Tron movie.
Speaker 1:Wait, now you're talking about the person from this movie again not Olivia Wilde.
Speaker 2:Olivia Wilde was the director.
Speaker 1:Florence Pugh.
Speaker 2:Florence Pugh. That's who we're talking about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we got there.
Speaker 2:See, that's how my brain works. I don't remember the names, but I can carefully craft a hundred movies that a person has been in, but I couldn't give you their names.
Speaker 1:That was fun. That was a good trip. What was the name of that movie? We?
Speaker 2:watched Because it was Florence Pugh was the star, and Olivia Wilde, yeah, and Chris Pine, oh, harry Styles.
Speaker 1:Harry Styles. Harry Styles, yeah, yeah, I don't remember Monster man. I don't remember what it was. Okay.
Speaker 2:Tony, that's not it. You wrote on how many planes, how many, how many hours did you spend?
Speaker 1:in the air this last week. Uh, what's I mean? I did four to michigan, to minnesota, about, about 10 hours, let's say 10 probably watch something other than this classic gem well, I we actually watched something last weekend, but I will tell you that on the plane I watched Anyone but you thrice this weekend.
Speaker 2:Is that some sappy love story?
Speaker 1:It's not sappy, no, it's fun. It's by the same guy that did Fired Up Will Gluck. Will Gluck, I think that's his name, something like that. Anyhow, glenn Powell's in it. He's got a new movie, sidney Sweeney. Yeah, hitman's coming out on the 7th and I'm very excited about.
Speaker 2:I was like I saw the thing it's like about a hitman and a woman. I saw this like weird trailer where there's like this hot woman like enticing him and I was like what, what is this? Yeah?
Speaker 1:well, he's a fake hitman. He pretends to be the hit and then I started watching.
Speaker 2:I don't know anything I started watching the trailer and then I was like I turned this trailer off. I don't want to see anything about this movie, I just want to watch it because it looks a lot.
Speaker 1:It looks like it might be very funny. I think it's gonna be really good. I love glenn powell I'm super excited about. Anyhow, this is not what I wanted. We saw fall guy and it was delightful that why that one's not doing well is very confusing. I don't know people are weird because it's a summer block, like it's great, it's perfect, it's got romance, action, comedy, gosling blunt. I mean what do you people want?
Speaker 2:it's great they want some salt. Burn in there, I think stupid salt burn.
Speaker 1:We gotta get rid of this movie, yeah, but yeah, that's what we saw. Oh good, so our movie for next week. Tony and I already talked.
Speaker 2:Stupid solver. We got to get rid of this movie, yeah. But yeah, that's what we saw and we loved it. So our movie for next week Tony and I already talked about this. We're doing J Lo's big new jammer. What's it called? Atlas?
Speaker 1:Atlas, yeah, netflix.
Speaker 2:It's a movie about fighting against AI, but having a team with an AI to fight against an AI with another AI. You can't trust one ai but you have to trust the other ai. You just don't know. Maybe ais are like people. Maybe that's gonna that's gonna be the moral of the story. It's like do you think there's gonna be a moral? Absolutely, I'll tell you what the moral is I know exactly what the moral is.
Speaker 2:Oh boy, there's good ais and there's bad ais, and you just to align yourself with the good ones. Okay, well, I'll be sure to pick better and the good AIs are going to be like. I knew that AI was going to be bad, but no one wanted to listen to me.
Speaker 1:Not me, not this AI.
Speaker 2:It's probably like the government is like we got to stick with this bad AI because we spent a lot of money on it. But it's Simu Liu as the bad AI and I'm like I'm all in for that. I love him oh. I didn't realize that I'm sure he's going to be great. You watch the Barbie movie and every minute he's in there you're just like he's great. I love him.
Speaker 1:I love everybody in that movie. That movie is delightful. That movie is pretty well, perfect.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's the end of the show.
Speaker 1:Great work everybody.
Speaker 2:Yeah, somehow, this one is very long it's super long, one of the thinnest movies we've ever done, but we had to talk about whatever the weird things we talked about.
Speaker 1:I think it got pretty weird for a while.
Speaker 2:So we'll be back next week talking about Atlas and maybe we'll Maybe we'll keep it tight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll do tight 20. Tight 20. People would love that We'd get so many views. We'll go for it. We'll try.
Speaker 2:Bye-bye, Goodbye everybody.