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Hate Watching Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire
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Remember that time we got into a heated debate about Capicola ham and couldn't stop laughing? Well, buckle up because Purple Dan and Tie Dye Tony are back with another riotous review, this time taking on "Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire" (2024). We kick off with some good-natured ribbing about our aging looks and quirky personalities, setting the stage for our take on a film that, quite frankly, left us colder than its title suggests. We dissect why this supposed "Frozen Empire" neither chills nor thrills, poking fun at its overcrowded ensemble of characters and bewildering plot choices. And no worries, the sheer number of subpar new releases ensures we won't be running out of material anytime soon!
Ever wondered why some sequels just can't recapture the magic of the originals? Well, you're in for a treat as we lament the lack of engaging characters and humor in the latest Ghostbusters flick. Kumail Nanjiani's character may offer a fleeting moment of fun, but the thin storyline and underutilized stars like Finn Wolfhard leave us yearning for the good old days of Bill Murray's quick wit. Speaking of Murray, even his comedic genius couldn't salvage a script that seems as lost as the ghosts it aims to bust. We also analyze a particularly baffling scene, comparing it to the second Ghostbusters film, and critiquing the new team's lack of distinct skills and roles.
The plot thickens—but not in a good way—as we unravel the film's convoluted twists and head-scratching character motivations. From Phoebe's inexplicable decisions to Garak's murky control over the team, we explore the myriad ways the narrative stumbles. Highlights include our take on the fire master showdown and the absurd ghostly horn retrieval, complete with plenty of Purple Dan and Tie Dye Tony's signature wit. The climactic team's effort, or lack thereof, sparks a discussion on the flawed logic and ineffective strategies that plague the film. Tune in for a comedic yet incisive critique of "Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire," where we leave no proton pack unturned!
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Hate Watching Ghostbusters Frozen Empire
Speaker 1My page is all wrinkly.
Speaker 2You're not wrinkly, Dan. No, my page is wrinkly. I know I was turning it around.
Speaker 1That's why you just got to keep gaining weight your whole life and you never get wrinkly.
Speaker 2You know what I'm already doing that, and it wasn't even for that reason.
Speaker 1There you go Not wrinkly.
Speaker 2That's the first time of my life I've been ahead of the game. Congratulations me Good job Tony. Thank you.
Speaker 1Did something right.
Speaker 2It's the nicest thing you've ever said to me.
Speaker 1Welcome to Hate Watching with Dan and Tony. I am Purple Dan.
Speaker 2I am Tide Eye Tony. Oh, that's an alliteration. Oh, it's Tide Eye Tony. How you doing. I'm Tide Eye Tony.
Speaker 1Give me some of those 60s meatballs.
Speaker 2Give me a Capricoli. Is that ham Capricoli? I feel like I'm close.
Speaker 1No, I don't think Capricoli is a thing. Capricoli, I feel like I'm close. No, I don't think Capricoli is a thing.
Speaker 2Hey, capricolis. If I say it like that, it sounds like a thing and people will believe me. Capricoli sounds like a type of pasta. Capicola.
Speaker 1Capicola, I think is something.
Speaker 2That's what I think I meant. Let's reset Capicola ham.
Speaker 1It's a Capicola ham and the pepperoncinis.
Speaker 2Now I'm going Italian, for some reason.
Speaker 1Finally sliced, Finally sliced. So yeah, on this podcast, slash YouTube, slow slash whatever else you want to say.
Speaker 2We're 194 episodes. This is the first time you've ever mentioned YouTube.
Speaker 1You know we're easing in.
Speaker 2Easing in Good for you. You don't want to do too much at once. I'm proud of you.
Speaker 1This is why I could never have been an actor is because I cannot do the same thing twice in a row. It's literally impossible for me.
Speaker 2It's pretty much all I can do. If you ask me to change it, I'm like I'll just leave the room. I can do. If you ask me to change it, I'm like I'll just leave the room. I can't. Thanks for having me at this audition. Don't give me any redirects.
Speaker 1Nope Boom. So on this show we watch a movie this week. Tony picked the movie.
Speaker 2Well, god picked the movie. He handed it to us on a silver platter. Ghostbusters Frozen Empire. Spoiler alert. It's platter uh. Ghostbusters frozen empire. Spoiler alert.
Speaker 1it's not frozen for very long you know, and there's not a lot of any the guy doesn't really run an empire and do diddly squat this. This movie has very little to do with cold and being cold, really yeah yeah, or empires.
Speaker 2It's just kind of you know people, people running around doing almost nothing.
Speaker 1Maybe it should have been Ghostbusters 5. Some cold stuff sort of happens at the end. It's a bit chilly. You know, a couple of weeks ago I said you know we were kind of winding down because we're running out of movies. I was, I went on Rotten Tomatoes and I looked at all the new movies in theaters Not that we would do a lot of them, but they were all just like 14 Rotten Tomatoes 18.
Speaker 2I don't know why you thought we were running out of movies. We're never going to run out of movies, stan, I promise you. The one thing that won't happen is we run out of movies. We might quit, we might have a falling out, but we'll never run out of movies.
Speaker 1We might quit we might have a falling out, but we'll never run out of movies. It doesn't look that way, yeah, so Ghostbusters, frozen, empire 2024, an hour and 55 minutes. We brought back the whole cast and since we had that big cast in the first movie, we thought we really better interject, like five or six new characters, a couple more, just the cherry on top.
Speaker 2Well, because it worked so well last time and everyone was so mad that there wasn't enough characters. In the first one they were like boy. I feel like we're really underplaying this. Let's bring in more people, so it's great, it's great that they listen to the fans.
Speaker 1So the Moroney Hudson James Ac is is in here playing a guy that works at another ghostbusters facility, sort of somewhere yeah yeah, type of thing. And then uh, who else was there? Yeah, all the other characters, the kumail oh, kumail.
Speaker 1and then kumail comes in there in like one of the most disjointed roles of all time, where he plays one character. Then, as he's in the middle of playing that character, he sort of abandons that character and then he starts just doing Kamel because it was just too much work for him to actually play a character.
Speaker 2To be fair, I prefer that. Once that switch happened, I was like, oh okay, here he is, let's have some fun.
Speaker 1Yeah, no, the initial character he tries to play is like a weird poor hustler guy In his defense, dan.
Speaker 2What I'm going to say is characters are not the strong suit of these Ghostbusters sequels. That's not one of the things they're very good at.
Speaker 1What is the thing that they're very good at?
Speaker 2Um, boring me, they're very good at that.
Speaker 1And the thing about this movie is it doesn't. What was the movie we did last week? Well, we did the Die Hard movie a couple weeks ago, and that movie is just like this movie, at least the train makes an amount of sense.
Speaker 1A couple of weeks ago, and that movie you're just like. I mean this, this movie at least, like you know, the the the train makes an amount of sense, does it? Does it blend together to make you interested in caring about the characters or, you know, being being engaged? No, but like in that diehard movie, that first half of the movie, it was a hard time even understanding what's happening. This, this movie, is like we just made this other movie. So let's just it's your classic. It's just your classic 90s second one. Let's just make the same movie again, but with an extra two percent sure, sure and so it's the same gags that we had in the first movie.
Speaker 1Here they are all're.
Speaker 2I feel like there's less gags. I feel like they like took 80 of the gags because the 20 they were just too tired. They're like we tried so hard on the first one. Let's take it a little easier because it's not as funny, and not that I thought the first one was hilarious, but I feel like there were less jokes in this one well, I mean, I only clock, I only laughed once I think I laughed twice.
Speaker 1I'm excited to hear what you laughed at um, and I mean you know this is not a thing I normally want to say is I wanted more finn wolfhard and I wanted more of the girl that he was, because they didn't do anything he was he was gone.
Speaker 2He's a waste of space and I don't even as an anti-Finner, as I have dubbed- myself this is not his fault. I felt the same way. We got to the two-thirds through the movie. I was like is he even in this film? He has done nothing and that's a real shame, yeah, and.
Speaker 1Gary Coon as the mom, you're just like man. She gets to be a scold a couple of times and then.
Speaker 2That's about it.
Speaker 1It's kind of Phoebe's movie but they're like, but also not really, because they strip away.
Speaker 2They strip away. They're terrified to make it Phoebe's movie.
Speaker 1Yes yes, they're terrified to make it Phoebe's movie.
Speaker 2They knew that she was the best character in the first one, so they understood what they needed to do, but they just wouldn't do it. No, they're like, okay, we'll make a movie kind of about here, but we're not gonna give her anything to do. No, we're gonna take away everything that made her interesting in the first movie, all of her fun snark not in this movie. Oh yeah, it's nothing. She's, and I like her a lot. I don't know who she is, but she's great. She's Not in this movie. Oh yeah, it's nothing. She's, and I like her a lot. I don't know who she is, but she's great. She's not in this movie, there's nothing. It's so thin Way for thin.
Speaker 1This is one of the thinnest movies we've ever done, because it's just like everybody needs to be on screen and they're like they don't even get 25 people.
Speaker 2No, you have bill murray in the movie. He makes two jokes. That can't be right.
Speaker 1There's no way he made more than two but he he sure he had one he made one joke, left at two of them well, okay, well, he had one joke at one point and then yeah he got a little. He got to roll a little when they were in the firehouse. He had a few things. He said corny.
Speaker 2I don't remember what the line is, but that one made me laugh. That's the only one I remember. That's it. And then he had one joke with Kumail when they first meet, when we first see him, and those are the only two jokes I remember from pretty much the whole film.
Speaker 1Just jumping ahead, he and Kumail are doing a little bit, and it is what I would call a little bit they don't even allow them to make three or four jokes.
Speaker 2There's no time to breathe Like we make the bit we get out. That's it. We'll set it. Do one joke and now we're done. Next scene.
Speaker 1This movie does not overstay.
Speaker 2No, which is the, the original ghostbusters. There's lots of bits right. They go on runs. That's what you do with these comedians. They are comedians. Let them comed, not. I know that that's not a word, comed, but I I don't know what the action of being a common comedian would be, so i'm'm going to say Comed.
Speaker 1Yeah, and this is kind of like Unfrosted, where you're just like you got these people, if you aren't spending hours on set figuring out how to make Amy Schumer funny, because Amy Schumer can be funny, I know she can be funny.
Speaker 2So you say I have recency bias, dan. So the last thing I saw you in is the only thing that matters.
Speaker 1I mean, wasn't she good in Trainwreck?
Speaker 2I mean, no, oh, she wasn't. Lebron was surprisingly good in Trainwreck. Bill Hader is charming. I don't remember her being particularly great. I only saw that movie once. I'm going to be honest, I don't know.
Speaker 1So Ghostbusters, frozen Empire. We go to New York, oldie Times 1904, the Manhattan Adventurers Club. It's gotten cold, so they call the fire department. The fire department opens the door. All the adventurers are frozen. There's something playing on the Victrola and then there's a person holding an orb, who you're not sure if they're frozen or not frozen well, I to.
Speaker 2Just on that point, dan. I never know who's frozen or not frozen, because apparently it doesn't matter, because you can freeze and unfreeze within seconds and you're fine. I don't get it. Yeah, like this, like the guy who touches the door, this fire guy who touches the door handle at first, or his hands on the door to feel the heat or whatever, and his hand freezes, it freezes, he screams, and then he just pulls his hand away and then it's fine. Oh really, how does that work?
Speaker 1I don't understand I mean, at the end of this movie they kill all of new york and then when they kill the bad guy they're like nope, new york's fine we did a great job.
Speaker 2Everyone's safe.
Speaker 2I don't know, you know, and that's the sort of classic thing is is a movie like this, you can't cause so much mayhem, but you're, you have to cause so much mayhem because marvel movies have caused so much mayhem, which and this is totally off topic, so I apologize, but so many people were upset with zach snyder's man of steel because he caused the damage and then was like, hey, we caused this damage, there is fallout, there's these people are dead, people are mad and everyone's like what is god? Superman wouldn't destroy a city. Yes, he would, because he's flying around superpowered, fighting superpower people. Things get destroyed all the time, we just don't care. And zach was like what if we cared? And nobody liked it? Bad idea that's.
Speaker 1That's not what superhero movies are about. They're not about the big guys destroying the cities and the world. They're not them saving it.
Speaker 2Through gentle means apparently.
Speaker 1Yes, Tony, Rewind the earth. He can always rewind the earth and fix everything. So there you go. So basically, there's an evil entity. It's going to be locked in this puzzle ball until it gets out, Okay.
Speaker 2Which happens 90 minutes into a two-hour movie.
Speaker 1What do you mean? It should have gotten out earlier.
Speaker 2Or something, something. I would have loved something to happen earlier, dan. So here's what, just in general. Right, this opening scene sets a Frozen theme, but nothing actually happens in this scene, right? No, no, he's already somehow in the ball, even though everyone's Frozen. Yeah yeah, okay, so there was. We didn't see a fight.
Speaker 1Yeah Well, we can't see the fight because we're going to see the same fight at the end of the movie, right?
Speaker 2No, I mean, I agree with that. I agree that that's the problem. But my problem is this is called Frozen Empire and there's a little cold in the beginning and then the world isn't frozen until 90 minutes into the movie. Until 90 minutes into the movie, this scene where they're on the beach and the cloud is coming the freezing cloud, I don't know what the hell that is Didn't make any sense. That's the first scene of the movie. To me, the very first scene of your movie is kids playing on the beach. Oh, we're having a great time. Little kid playing with his little dollies. And then the world freezes, icicles down, down, down, and then we have to deal with the problem. Ghostbusters coming, something's going on. That's the start of your movie. That's not night. That's not the start of your third act. For me, that is the beginning of the movie. And then we build from there. This movie is so anticlimactic because that's the climax A beach getting cold and then them fighting an ice guy. Nothing there's nothing.
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Speaker 1There's no build to it. Anyhow, I didn't like this movie. Damn, that's our review. Um, yeah, we'll talk about that scene too, because that scene felt like it was not part of the movie. It felt like they made that scene for the trailer. It was the trailer, yeah, but it doesn't happen until 90 that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2Like that trailer sets up, you're like this is what this movie's. Doesn't happen until 90. That's what I'm saying. Like that trailer sets up, you're like this is what this movie's about. No, it isn't.
Speaker 1That's what 20 minutes of the movie's about, and and even the, but my point is that that isn't really what how this movie should have happened why?
Speaker 2why is, why is that?
Speaker 1why would he? Well, we'll talk about it when we get to it, because that's what people want to see. Why does he come off of the ocean?
Speaker 2Oh, okay, I have no idea. Okay, so what I'm saying is that the whole movie is wrong.
Speaker 1We're having two different points.
Speaker 2I understand that.
Speaker 1Your thing is, there should have been some actual action. The second act should have been New York action. That that you know. The second act should have been new york, it's called frozen empire.
Speaker 2There should be some sort of frozen empire in the movie and then maybe we deal with said frozen empire at some point.
Speaker 1None of that happens well, I think the second ghostbusters is called city of Slime or something. Okay.
Speaker 2Do they deal with any slime in it?
Speaker 1Well, there's a whole river of slime down beneath the.
Speaker 2You know that they have to investigate and that leads to them. Oh, they have to, so it happens early and then they investigate it and then they solve the problem. Wow, who would think of such a weird way to tell a? Story no, this movie we have to do like a lot of emotional things and then set up for nothing brand. There is zero payoff to this ghost girlfriend, oh my god, she has, she has that one single match that's the big payoff.
Speaker 1Yeah, no, you're absolutely right, did you know that was coming, by the way, yeah yeah, and that's that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2Dan Goodsell, I'm the worst. You're not good at it. They telegraph this so hard. She's playing with it every two seconds. And you're like, okay, well, that's going to matter at some point. And then Kumail's like I don't have any fire. And you're like, okay, well, there's the end of the movie. Thanks guys. Ridiculous.
Speaker 1I've never seen seen someone push so hard for something like that. It is silly for something that's pretty clumsy. Yeah, it's very. Oh my god. So boom, here comes ecto one driving around new york city. It's, it's, it's gary and kelly and trevor and phoebe all back to do the same exact scene.
Speaker 2I only remember phoebe's. I wrote them all down. That's why I mean that's great, that's a really good move. I wouldn't have been able to tell you anyone's name except for Phoebe.
Speaker 1And I put them in little boxes and then they're easy to find.
Speaker 2My reference key, so I always know.
Speaker 1They're chasing the Hell's Kitchen sewer dragon. Yes, carrie, coon, kelly, the mom is playing the giant bitch again. I know you're with me here in the car and you're gonna do a thing, but fucking don't do it, you stupid child that's pretty good face plant now.
Speaker 2Now dan, okay, the original Ghostbusters, right, three Bachelor Men. Correct me if I'm wrong. They all had characters, right, like they had individual skills, like things they're good at in science.
Speaker 1I'm a nerd. I'm excited about it. I'm just Bill Murray. Nobody knows why I'm here.
Speaker 2Well, to save the movie is why Bill Murray's there. No, I understand, but right, they have their own things, right, yeah? What are these people good at?
Speaker 1You mean, why would you hire them as?
Speaker 2Ghostbusters? Yeah. Why are they a Ghostbusting team? What are they each individually good at? That will solve a problem.
Speaker 1Why would Kelly, the mom from the first movie, be dressed up in a suit and doing a thing?
Speaker 2And not only that, why is she the one flying the drone in this scene?
Speaker 1She got turned into a dog in the first movie. That's why they have so did Paul Rudd. And that's what they have. They do a high five thing. We got turned into dogs. That's why we're here.
Speaker 2And then they made a sex joke, which I did. I did giggle at. So what are they good at? What, this ghost busting team that is supposed to replace the old ghost busting team? What are these people good at? There's only one person on this entire team that's good at anything, and that's Phoebe Trevor's. Just, you know, a loser teenager that can't be good at anything. He should be the one flying the drone, in my opinion, because he's like a. You know, I'm a teenager so I can do tech right. I feel like that's a pretty easy thing. Why is the mom flying a drone? Has she ever flown a drug? Does she play with toys? Has she played a video game? Why is she flying a drone? And then gary's the driver. I'm fine with that if that's his role, like he can't do anything else other than drive. I don't know, but no one has any skills.
Speaker 1No, this isn't a team. They all put on proton packs, they all know how to use them and they're all good at it. I saw this in the movie good at it and someone I'm assuming someone answers the phone. I don't know who answers the phone and there's someone who knows we don't get to see that. They get paid somehow, I don't know, maybe they get paid.
Speaker 2Not a chance. There's no way that they get paid.
Speaker 1People know to call them, I suppose I don't know. I don't know either, Dan.
Speaker 2The one thing they did fix was they did a thing where they showed the television stuff and explained that what happened in New York was a thing everybody remembers and did happen, and they had the toys. That was actually. That was something I did enjoy is they had the old Ghostbuster trap toy where you step on it and it shoots air out to open the trap. I loved that thing. I had three of them, so I thought that was cool, that that was like an in-universe thing. Now that the toys came out, that's all great. These new people aren't Ghostbusters.
Speaker 1But they are now. That's what they're doing. Nope, nope.
Speaker 2So my point is sorry, dan is that at least in the Lady Ghostbusters movie. They were all good at things. Nobody's good at things in this movie, except for Phoebe.
Speaker 1Well, there's no reason. The whole thing is. There's no reason for the plot of what happens in this movie, except for phoebe.
Speaker 2Well, there's no reason that the whole thing is, there's no reason for the plot of what happens in this movie.
Speaker 1Not at all, none at all but they did it anyways, because there's there's that we're all spanglers except for he's not a spangler at what point phoebe like yells at her mom and tells her that she's not a spangler. Yeah, like, so which?
Speaker 2I think what she's saying is that she's not a Spangler. Yeah, Like so. I think what she's saying is that she's too dumb, like the whole point of being a Spangler is to be smart. And she's dumb, I think, is what they were going for. It's like it's basically what I'm saying is she's not good at anything. She shouldn't be a ghost buster, cause she is Egon's kid right. Yeah, so she.
Speaker 1Okay.
Speaker 2I don't know, dude, here's my question to you. What's your? Yeah, well, I got an answer.
Speaker 1Is mom and Paul Rudd. They're married.
Speaker 2I don't know if they're actually married.
Speaker 1Well, but he does say step teacher.
Speaker 2They say it at the end that they're like married. I guess yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1I mean at the end that they're like married.
Speaker 2So I guess yeah, maybe I mean they did.
Speaker 1They did have sex in the first movie, so like as dogs. So you know, you gotta they're married, you gotta get married, I guess. So sure, why not? Did they act even for a moment like they're married at any point?
Speaker 2no, do they kiss? I don't even think they kiss in this movie. No, well then, yeah, they act like they're married.
Speaker 1Oh yes, it's, it's such a like miss to like not have them. It's weird. Be into each other Like they're not even into each other. They don't even seem like they're like. Well, we kind of you know you're hot, I'm hot, but they don't seem interested in each other.
Speaker 2Character work, not their forte here.
Speaker 1Well, I mean you got to kind of write in their relationship Because they do a whole sort of you know, is he the stepdad?
Speaker 2And it's like Right, because she does call him dad at the end and there's like an emotional beat there. You're right, it did not land. For me I'll just say that.
Speaker 1There should have been some setup where, you know mom says to him well, you're her stepdad now and she's going to have to. You know, that's like.
Speaker 2That seems like such a world's easiest conflict, right, right it is, it's pretty, it's obvious, we all get it and we can all relate. I mean, you know whether or not you've had it.
Speaker 1You understand it everybody understands that level of relationship and how it's rocky and they're gonna have to come to terms with that and instead they're like you're her buddy and now you have to sort of act like you're not her buddy yeah in like one scene and she's just gonna be confused by it and it's not even going to be emotional. It's like such a weird choice, didn't?
Speaker 2make any sense to me. Did other things in this movie make more sense to you?
Speaker 1No, not really Okay. Boom, boom, boom, they crash into some bikes, and then we see Winston and Winston.
Speaker 2Wait, Paul Rudd gets a really great joke. He gets to say who puts bikes there? Oh, home run. Trust Crushed it.
Speaker 1Okay, good one, it's a scene ender.
Speaker 2Dan, it's a joke and it's a scene ender. It should probably be funny, but it's not and they kept it in the movie. Why is that there? Probably because Jerry Seinfeld wrote it.
Speaker 1Hey, I love it. What's the deal um? So now we see winston. Winston's like super rich, and so he's paying for everything also just real quickly, dan.
Speaker 2How good does ernie hudson look? He looks great. He looks so much younger I don't and I don't know the real ages, but he looks so much younger. And I don't know the real ages, but he looks so much younger than Bill and Dan.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, bill Murray looks ancient.
Speaker 2Well, you're right about that. Maybe he, maybe he is, maybe he's 10, 15 years older, I'm not sure, but Ernie Hudson still looks good.
Speaker 1And he's fairly believable as Winston, You're like oh, he still looks good. And he's fairly believable as Winston, You're like.
Speaker 2Oh, I actually believe him as this guy Absolutely Unlike again Dan Aykroyd Dan.
Speaker 1Aykroyd Boom. So then you know we do a little Winston scene and sort of set up that he's doing stuff and helping them and got, you know, bought the firehouse and all that. And then we get a scene where they have to go and be yelled at by the mayor the mayor from the first movie. These are by far the worst things in the whole movie. He is so terrible. He is terrible, it's so bad.
Speaker 2I don't know, maybe he didn't, maybe he's not aging as well Mentally, I don't know. I mean, it's also not written. Well, let's be very clear, because there aren't really jokes.
Speaker 1Well, and it's not appropriate.
Speaker 2It doesn't make any sense. I mean, first of all, it doesn't make sense Because they're yelling about Phoebe Like a lot of it is about You're too young to do this. Right.
Speaker 1They don't even know what her part in any of this is. Yeah, super weird.
Speaker 2I don't even know which. What her part in any of this is, yeah, super weird. I don't understand anything that's happening. The only reason that he works in the original is he's the butt of the jokes of bill murray.
Speaker 1Bill murray stands there makes a hundred jokes and they cut out. They edited the sixth best into a piece and that's yes, that's where you're exactly it's not like oh, this character's so great from the original, let's bring him back.
Speaker 2No, he was the butt of the joke, and then we don't do that again.
Speaker 1Very weird Because there's no one there to banter with him. Phoebe can't banter with him Because Phoebe's the person who should be like go fuck yourself In the first movie she was so snarky, very lippy.
Speaker 2That was great. And they did it twice in this movie where they set up she's about to be snarky with someone and then they cut to the next scene and they're like, oh, I didn't even know she knew those words. We have to see her be lippy. We have to see that. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1So the mayor is setting himself that I'm out to stop the Ghostbusters, because that's what I did in the first Ghostbusters movie I'll teach you Ghostbusters to Ghostbust.
Speaker 2Yeah, hey guys, remember when we did this before. Let's do it again.
Speaker 1OK, there's black mold in the firehouse. Phoebe tries to argue oh, so they're like you're, phoebe, you can come join the team. It's three years, you're fired.
Speaker 2Right.
Speaker 1Why she got fired, because she's too young. Youth, you're gone.
Speaker 2We're gonna go out there and do the ghostbusting Because Someone else can do it, but nobody is apologetic about everyone's just like god, I'll be fine, it's only three years, don't worry about first of all, as a kid, three years is a very long time, oh yeah, but like I mean, if you feel bad about just like, we can't have you, but you can help here. I I don't. I don't know. It's just really weird how everyone just gets on board with her being banished, even even though, again, she's the only one with any skills. She's the one that gets out on the car and shoots in the ejector seat and shoots the prototype. We don't see anyone else do anything, that is true, but then they're just going to bench her, that is true.
Speaker 2The movie is dumb.
Speaker 1Gary and Kelly have a talk about raising kids. Uh, they locked the ghost in the containment unit. The containment, it's gonna be a problem. Didn't we already do in ghostbusters 2 that the attainment unit was a problem?
Speaker 2I I you remember these better than I do, probably, but when this happened, I was like, yeah, we've already, we've already been here. I don't remember how they solved it, but this is all very deja vu.
Speaker 1I believe that was Ghostbusters Deja 2. Boom Ray is shooting a TV show called Repossessed, a YouTube show where someone brings in something haunted and then he checks it with the E meter.
Speaker 2And then watch this show.
Speaker 1You would watch that show.
Speaker 2Not only what, I watched the show. My mother would be obsessed with this show, dan. She watches all those terrible YouTube ghost hunting shows where people just go to the woods and like film and like did you hear something? Did you hear something? Whip camera on and go to the woods and like film and like, did you hear something? Did you hear something? Whip camera on, and then they yell and run. She loves those.
Speaker 1She would be, she would fall in love with this show. If, if this was on youtube, somebody should make this show for real. And then a kid that you don't know who it is and then you realize at a certain point that it's podcast from the first movie. He is 20 years older 20 years older.
Speaker 2Is that possible? Larger?
Speaker 1and thinner and more kind of good looking and and less funny less funny? He's not funny. So then he hits the thing with the hammer and the whole idea is that's the joke, is that he hits the bad thing with the hammer to destroy it? I don't know because that's what's the joke, and that's what gets the hits Cause you have to do something why why would I?
Speaker 2I just don't get like I genuinely.
Speaker 1when that happened, I was like you just ruined your own bit, cause that's funny Cause you see, you need like a thing, like a like we could have like this like birds swoop in at a certain time and then we're like it's bird time and then we celebrate, we go like this Bird, bird Bird.
Speaker 2Everybody go like bird, bird, bird.
Speaker 1The bird is a word. That's the copyrighted material.
Speaker 2Ah, shoot, I keep doing that. So that's what it is. Can we have a bird time?
Speaker 1No.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, man. This is why we don't get any hits.
Speaker 1So Phoebe shows up. She's going to talk rap with Ray. She goes downstairs because podcast is living with Ray.
Speaker 2Right Now. That's weird. Somebody writing this movie needs to take a step back and be like, okay, this is inappropriate, Doesn't really matter what's going on. He lied to his parents and says that he's at computer camp or something, space camp or something space camp. And nope, he's living with a 75 year old man who believes in ghosts. It's all weird I don't know.
Speaker 1It is interesting how the young people have been transported without families into the situation, because we gotta have, we gotta. There's no Ghostbusters 2 without podcast everybody would have been like. I'm angry. I can't believe you brought out podcast. All the marshmallow dudes are in the basement and they're mating. He says they're mating right, what?
Speaker 2why? What's happening? I don't know, man. I mean, they're still cute, so I understand why you would want to bring them back, because everyone loved them in the first one, because they're cute and slightly psychopathic People liked that in the first movie. I think people I mean, listen, I didn't like the movie, so I don't really know, but I feel like people thought they were fun. There it is. I don't really know, but I feel like people thought they were fun.
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Speaker 1There it is. Um, then kumail comes in. He plays like a sort of scammer dude. He's got this box of stuff he's trying to sell. There's this orb. It's mezzo-arabic, it activates and it messes up the containment yeah, somehow it sort of activates and sends some stuff out and activates all the way back to the firehouse. Now, yeah, which sure seems like you would want to take this to the firehouse and have it do a thing when it gets to the firehouse.
Speaker 2Sure.
Speaker 1It should have tried to manipulate them to get itself back to the firehouse, but who knows?
Speaker 2Yeah, great, yeah, that'd be fun.
Speaker 1Here's Tony's favorite part. Finn's room is leaking so he goes to the attic. There's a giant pile of junk food and Slimer's inside of it and he slimes Finn.
Speaker 2Yep, that's it, though. That's it, like I'm cool. If there's a reason for him to be in the movie, there's not. Well, for him to be in the movie, there's not.
Speaker 1Well, his reason to be in the movie is to give Finn something to do, which is to try to capture.
Speaker 2Slimer yeah, okay, sure, that's not a plot in the movie we need.
Speaker 1That is not what anyone ever needs in their lives at all Boom, alarm. Everybody leaves. Phoebe goes to play chess alone in the park. What Yep? Super weird. And this ghost shows up. It is Melody, she's 16. She's 16. This 22 year old woman is 16. She talks like she is a contemporary person. She died in the teens in a tenement fire building. Yeah, she says she is 16 and she is the love interest in the movie.
Speaker 2I mean kinda yeah, it's all super weird, there's not much else. It super super weird.
Speaker 1I don't know and this is the. This is the super hot girl from the babysitter I hold on.
Speaker 2Not the super hot girl, she's the neighbor in the babysitter. Oh, is she.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, this is not samara weaving oh, it isn't samara Weaving, first of all Samara.
Speaker 2Weaving is like 30. If she was playing the 16-year-old, we'd have even bigger problems. Okay, you're right it is, but yeah, so she's the weird neighbor in the first one, and then, like the spoiler alert for Babysitter 2, she turns bad in Babysitter 2.
Speaker 1I don't know, so she's. She's 22, playing 16, where the other girl is 17 I don't know 17, 17, so they're five years apart, but they're hot for each other sort of and she talks are they and she talks completely like a contemporary teenager yeah, and she's supposed to be really confused.
Speaker 2So you, you're telling me they did say that she died a long time ago. She died in a tenement fire.
Speaker 1We don't have tenements anymore.
Speaker 2Okay, I thought she was talking about Tenet. She was at the movie Tenet and it got fired.
Speaker 1No she died in a tenement fire. She had the matchbook, looked like it was 20s.
Speaker 2And to be clear, she did not die in a.
Speaker 1She murdered her family right, it was an accident her murdering her family, was it?
Speaker 2That's what she said. Then why does she keep lighting the match? Like I get strong pyro vibes from her and I understand why they're doing it is because they're setting up the end of this movie, which is terrible. But she's really obsessed with that fire. I mean, she's made herself on fire Like she definitely killed her whole family on purpose.
Speaker 1And this girl, this girl that grew up in a tenement and in the 20s, beats Phoebe at chess twice.
Speaker 2Yeah, and Phoebe's like a genius right.
Speaker 1Yeah, and she's all like I've been playing a lot of chess all these years and you're like how?
Speaker 2Yeah, because she also says in the same scene that whenever she does this, people always run away screaming. So she doesn't actually play chess. She gets maybe two moves, let's say Two to three moves tops before people are like wait a second, I'm playing against nobody, so stupid.
Speaker 1So we know that they're in love. She has unfinished business. What's her unfinished business, Tony?
Speaker 2Saving the ice planet, the Frozen Empire? Don't know. Also, is that the rules of Ghostbusters?
Speaker 1because I don't think it is I don't think there are rules are there? Does the cartoon have rules?
Speaker 2maybe cartoon has some rules, but I don't know, because I was trying to think back to the first movie when egon apparates disappears. Yeah, he did it after he helped save, I guess maybe because he was the guy that knew about the mystery the first one. So maybe that is what it is, I don't know who knows, okay, boom, the next day we go to the you didn't tell me what her unfinished business was. You asked me a question, I didn't have an answer.
Speaker 1Oh, you don't know you're asking questions that you don't know the answer to the two plots would have been the orb is going to release this ghost. Yeah, this is one train. The other ghost is her trying to figure out what's the deal with this girl, and then they intersect at the same location. It turns out this girl is working for the bad guy. Spoilers again.
Speaker 2I guess yeah.
Speaker 1So terrible. So again, I guess, yeah, so terrible, so uninteresting. And why? Why is it phoebe like, okay, we'll do that in a minute, okie doke, because it doesn't make any sense. Okay, the next day we go to the other ghostbusters facility. There's james, a caster winston's guy. They've they've built this big unit which is four times as big, and it's going to take them seven years to transfer all the ghosts there, or something Whatever.
Speaker 2Something like that. Yeah, it's in an aquarium paranormal research center.
Speaker 1They have a ghost extractor where you put the where the ghost is stuck in a thing, it extracts it and then it sucks it into the thing. Okay, whatever.
Speaker 2They put the Now Dan. Is that why Dan Aykroyd does his show to collect haunted items and then get rid of the ghosts? We don't know. Okay, but don't you think that maybe that's I don't know that's maybe what they're doing, and that would have been an interesting thing to explore a little.
Speaker 1Or mention, yeah, or mention, yeah or mention.
Speaker 2Yeah. You could connect the things that are going on in this movie so they make sense and then maybe he brings the ghost ball into the machine and it releases the ghost and we don't have to deal with this weird trick love story I'm making you release the ghost for no reason.
Speaker 1The other thing is they have, like this superpowerful orb and they're just like just throw it on the pile of magic shit, just leave it, it's cool.
Speaker 2Don't worry about it too much, it's locked.
Speaker 1We wouldn't want to extract the ghost out of the most powerful thing we've ever brought in here. We'd just throw it on a pile. Cheers. We meet the barf monster and we meet theessor. Possessor can take control of inanimate objects. Okay, possessor, guess that's going to be needed later, gary kind of. We have this sort of semi-emotional scene where Gary's like come help me, phoebe, and then he's like it's going to go okay, phoebe, just time flies when you're young, which, of course, is not true. It is, phoebe, just time flies when you're young which, of course, is not true.
Speaker 2It is not true at all. It flies when you're old.
Speaker 1And then Phoebe takes a call oh, then they leave. And then Phoebe takes a Ghostbusters call and then her and Podcast are going to go do something.
Speaker 2Yeah, what I don't know, man.
Speaker 1At the PRC the orb is processed. Somebody gets a frozen hand, but not really. I mean actually he has it in the sling the next time, but I'm sure at the end of the movie it's fine, right, but other people don't.
Speaker 2So it's confusing because at the end of the movie everyone is frozen, but then the next scene, they're fine.
Speaker 1So her and Podcast go to this diner where the ghost is oh, look, it's melody. And then she's all like oh, and then podcast is like do you know something? Do you understand something? Do you know something? And phoebe's like this, oh. And then podcast is like I'm your only friend, right? Why don't you speak with me? And she's all like oh and then. And then phoebe leaves and then they just blow out the window right, which is weird which is weird, and then they go outside and it's called melody's diner right, that's her name.
Speaker 2Maybe that was her diner.
Speaker 1Maybe that was gonna be a clue to what happened to her.
Speaker 2I don't know no, it wasn't though. So yeah, uh, I don't understand any of it. It doesn't make any sense. And also like to be fair the ghostbusters all they do is destroy things.
Speaker 1They actually don't do a good job who's gonna pay them to catch the sewer dragon?
Speaker 2nobody. Nobody. Who's gonna pay for the window that they just shot out? Winston? Is he because from his deep pockets? Do they say that that's what he's doing, covering their mistakes?
Speaker 1Back at the firehouse. Oh, melody follows her back to the firehouse. They go downstairs. Nice digs, they get to tour. She takes her down to the basement. And this was an interesting thing is that we sort of you know she's all like, you know you're putting people in there. It's kind of horrible.
Speaker 2And it is Because we're starting to learn more about the lore of Ghostbusters and it turns out like one not all ghosts are evil. Two there is a place to go after the ghost plane, so they're just keeping people in purgatory forever. It's actually horribly inhumane and we just continue to do it. And we're the good guys, not a thought of that. Very weird thing to bring up on your own movie.
Speaker 1It's almost like Phoebe could then go to them and say we need to talk about this, and Winston could be like well, I don't think so.
Speaker 2And you could almost have, maybe, a plot where you begin to talk about how this all needs to be dealt with somehow With the humanity of. Maybe we should help ghosts move on instead of trapping them forever, maybe, but then that's a different show, so we can't do that. No, that's a movie. Is that a movie? Which one is that?
Speaker 2I mean, that's something you could do, that's a thing you could explore in a movie that explores something as opposed to a movie that's like now we're gonna go here, yeah, we're gonna have a funny joke, maybe no, we're not.
Speaker 1Don't be silly uh, the orb starts freezing more of new york city. And then melody goes outside and talks to the ghost in the orb and we're like, oh, melody's working against the ghostbusters, she doesn't want to just have sex with Phoebe.
Speaker 2Which is too bad. You know, she deserves it. She's a good kid Finn fails at Slimer again. Why? Why can't we just give him a real storyline? You know, feels weird, disingenuous.
Speaker 1They go to see Kumail, they go to the back room. We get a bunch of sex dungeon jokes.
Speaker 2A lot of sex dungeon jokes Right. I did enjoy the part Hold on Phoebe's here right, yeah, because she's one of the ones that says it.
Speaker 1Why is Phoebe making sex dungeon jokes? I have no idea.
Speaker 2Well, because she's a horny teenager. That's what we've learned from this movie. She's trying to get it on with a ghost, she's trying to Patrick Swayze that shit. It's super weird and awkward. But there is one moment where Kumail's like stop making sex jokes about my recently deceased grandma, and that was funny. He's funny even in this. He is a funny guy.
Speaker 1You're like, oh yeah, this is a guy I want to see be funny.
Speaker 2He doesn't really get to be funny in this movie, but Yep, just a couple of times, but when it does it's nice, you know, because he's a talented guy, very talented.
Speaker 1Phoebe has some private time to talk to Ray about ghosts podcast. I wrote a video of Orb talking. Then they go on the Ecto-C. Oh, so they hear some talking in this video. So they're like oh, let's go someplace. Ray has a motorcycle with a sidecar, which is the Ecto-C.
Speaker 2What's the C stand for? You think A cycle. Motorcycle, oh, motorcycle, oh yep. No, I bet you're right. No, look at you having brains and stuff. Yeah, that's one of us. Um, well, that's why we have different talents, dan, what are yours?
Speaker 1I look pretty. Oh yeah, nice, nice hairdo on your Timberwolves blue crew.
Speaker 2First of all, that was 20 years ago. All right, so I'm still, but I had hair. You know what I mean. I had long, long flowing hair. Well, I didn't flow, but I had long hair, did you and I?
Speaker 1miss those days.
Speaker 2Did you get perms and shit? I didn't get perms, but I did frost my tips, as they say, so I did used to bleach the top of it.
Speaker 1So now we have this one scene where Bill Murray asks one question of Kumail because they're trying to figure out, because he's magical. They test him and he's magic, so they are going to ask, like back to the whole, where Bill Murray's character asks the people the questions as he's trying to hit on the girls.
Speaker 2Which is a very funny scene.
Speaker 1It's a funny scene because it talks about his character. His character is a sleaze.
Speaker 2Exactly.
Speaker 1Zapping. The man wanted to get with the girl.
Speaker 2Wow, it tells us about who he is, and then he plays that character, then they continue to explore that character throughout the rest of the movie, which is wonderful, as opposed to doing one scene where he's that way and then pretending he's not that way the rest of the movie, which is what we do nowadays. Well, we don't have him. The rest of the movie.
Speaker 1No no.
Speaker 2I mean in general. Oh sure, that's always a complaint for movies that we watch is like we have one scene where he's a character and it's slightly negative and then they're like, nah, we're just kidding, he's actually a really great guy.
Speaker 1She can't have a negative character, because no one's going to fall in love with that, and that's so wrong.
Speaker 2I love flawed characters.
Speaker 1So Ray pulls the Ecto-C and parks it right in front of the big library, goes in, but she can't.
Speaker 2I don't think you can actually do that, but it's fine.
Speaker 1They do a joke with that. He's all like that's okay, they know me here. And then he walks up there and the guy that runs the library is like you can't be here.
Speaker 2They're banned.
Speaker 1You're banned, I'm like okay, that's what this movie should be, but we shouldn't have Bill Maher, we shouldn't have Dan Ayk, these things right.
Speaker 2I mean, listen you, you only got three of them left, so it's hard. It's hard and he's he's the easiest one to get you know and the sad thing is bill murray's still very, very funny yes, yes, he is the guy. I don't. The guy's got it. You know, if he gives a shit, he's gonna give it to you and that's that's a, it's a big if. But yeah, if you can get it.
Speaker 1Boom, they go down there and who's the? The, their person. They're going to see the, the library of folklorist, who's in the basement and played by Penn Oswalt. Yeah, um, yeah. They should have done something with him, like put a wig on him or beard on him or clothes on him, they were just like. Pat, just come on down.
Speaker 2Yeah, do a day.
Speaker 1Wear your own clothes, yeah.
Speaker 2We're not going to pay. Just come on down and hang out for four hours.
Speaker 1Boom. Then he takes them down to the library below the library. Uh, we get a whole thing. He figures out who the bad guy is. It's garaka. Who's this guy that control army of the dead?
Speaker 2and here's my problem, dan, is he sees the orb right and he immediately knows exactly what it is.
Speaker 1He saw a picture of it.
Speaker 2But not only a picture of it. He saw a picture of a stone carving which looks nothing like the orb Other than it's a circle.
Speaker 1It's a little circle Right.
Speaker 2And this is the only other circle in the world he's like. I know I've seen this circle before.
Speaker 1It sure seems like it should have been a lot larger in one of the images. Just like a little bit, Just ridiculous so this guy can control an army of the undead. Did we ever see an?
Speaker 2army. Did we see an army of the?
Speaker 1undead. He uses fear as a weapon and he can kill you with fear.
Speaker 2No, he can't he kills you with cold. I saw the movie.
Speaker 1He freezes people and it's like in icicles he shoots you with icicles. Uh, of fear, yeah, yeah then they talk about the fire masters and we're like, oh, the person in the first scene was a fire master. Oh, the grandma was a fire master. They use fire and brass. We're like, oh yeah, oh yeah, we saw this brass, we know exactly what's happening. Then he's like oh, now we got to go to these wax cylinders, wax recording cylinders. And this is the one joke I liked.
Speaker 2He said oh, wow, okay.
Speaker 1He's like oh yeah, on one of these cylinders we have the only case of Mary Todd Lincoln saying the F word. Apparently she saw a moth.
Speaker 2A moth. I didn't even hear this joke.
Speaker 1It's the best joke in the whole show. Patton Oswalt delivered it perfectly.
Speaker 2Well, because again.
Speaker 1Huge laugh. He's very good at delivering a joke.
Speaker 2Yep, and you're just like, if you give him jokes, he'll give you a joke. If you give him one, he landed that joke and the third one. He might get two jokes.
Speaker 1And then he tells the story of what we saw in the opening, the prelude the prologue, which, by the way, I already saw it.
Speaker 2I don't need you to recap it. Yeah, we did. In fact, this would be almost a time for that to be seen in a flashback while he's telling me that story, and the beginning of the movie would have been the beach scene.
Speaker 1Could be Now. The possessor then steals the wax disc because they need the wax disc.
Speaker 2Right, what? How did why is it even there? What was it possessing on the way?
Speaker 1It was in like a pen or something. So it possesses out of the thing. It goes outside and then it grabs the lion the lion in front of the thing and then Phoebe finally zaps it with a proton pack. That's in the thing and gets destroyed Later on when we go back to the library, the line's fine, it's there.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 1Why? I mean, isn't that a point where you put a thing around that, some tape or something?
Speaker 2Some caution tape.
Speaker 1And there's still a little rubble, maybe Sure. It's destroyed. I don't understand. No, it's destroyed. I don't understand, no, it's fine.
Speaker 2They just superglued back together. We have hundreds of them, don't worry, dan. That's why and it's so weird, because then they get in trouble for destroying it but it was going to kill people because it was running around and getting ready to eat people, right?
Speaker 1And I believe once again she gets in trouble for it, as opposed to the adult stepping in and saying it's all my fault.
Speaker 2Right, I took her to the library, and then it should have happened.
Speaker 1Yeah, no adult ever steps up and tries to take the blame for Phoebe. It's so weird.
Speaker 2It is bizarre.
Speaker 1Hold on. They arrest the kids, then Winston yells at them. Yells at them.
Speaker 2Doesn't yell't, yell at ray yells at the kids yep, who he employs pretty much, by the way why did you do it?
Speaker 1and then the terrible mayor comes out. The ghostbusters are over, arrest her. They say arrest her, she's 15 years she's 15.
Speaker 2She's not going to get arrested you can't arrest someone who's 15. Right, yeah, she might get. What is it? Detained Juvie? Yeah, but she won't.
Speaker 1And then he's like we're taking your firehouse, we're taking your everything, we're revoking your ghostbusting license and you're just like how do you take their firehouse? I don't understand, did the firehouse?
Speaker 2break the law.
Speaker 1What did the firehouse do?
Speaker 2Well, it's a bad firehouse.
Speaker 1It's a naughty, naughty firehouse, and then the parents show up and they're like you're not grounded, you're fired. She was already fired, mom, you're not a spangler. And then you know, gary, wake up. I don't know what that was about. And then Phoebe just walks out and you're like, how is Phoebe just walking? I don't understand she would have to go out with her parents if she was leaving the police department.
Speaker 2She can walk. She's fine, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1Oh, now Ray and Winston fight. You could have gotten those kids hurt. Go on a vacation.
Speaker 2Winston, I mean Ray, which doesn't make sense because Winston employs her as a Ghostbuster. They could get hurt on any Ghostbusting case. Why is he mad that someone else brought her on a Ghostbusting case? That doesn't make sense. There are a couple moments in this movie where people get mad at things that they do. It's really weird. Oh, it's because they want someone to be mad, right, but they're picking the wrong people, so it's it's very confusing we're gonna make this scene intense, where you're gonna care about these characters.
Speaker 1Someone's getting mad at them and you're like when's the guy?
Speaker 2that should never get mad, especially about a thing that he does on a daily basis. Very confusing.
Speaker 1They got back to the firehouse, They've taken all their stuff, even though later on they have all their stuff. Oh, I guess they have all this stuff. They make more stuff Cause he just made.
Speaker 2I mean I guess, but they make it really fast.
Speaker 1And then they're like we should just leave New York city. We can't leave because this is the home of the Ghostbusters and that's all we care about is busting ghosts. Which is very strange. I mean there's the truth of the whole thing right In the first movie, ray and Egon. That's their dream is to bust ghosts, right.
Speaker 2Yes. So they are always pushing it forward. We have to, let's do this, let's do this. And then they bring eddie murphy along reluctantly, which is why he gets to say all those jokes. Eddie murphy, you said eddie murphy. Oh my god, bill murray, damn it so they bring bill murray along.
Speaker 1He's reluctant at every point. He's your guy that's like no, no, no, let's not do this, no and he brings comedy because he's a contrarian, he's the contrarian to the two hardcore people. Your problem with this thing is that phoebe is the motivator right, and then you fire her and they make her sort of the contrarian or you make her the adversarial role yeah, it doesn't make any sense and it just does not make any emotional sense.
Speaker 1Um, so, boom, we go and we go get ray. I mean, we go get kumail and he's gonna be. We gotta, we gotta make him work on his fire powers, so we're. So that's what podcast and ray are doing. Uh, gary talks to phoebe but really he's talking to the door because she's out there hanging out with melody and then she's all like, oh, if I go into the old big, the new lab, I could turn myself into a ghost. And she's's all like, yeah, okay, I suppose.
Speaker 2It's the reverse. Casper, remember Casper.
Speaker 1The movie yeah, christina Ricci, christina.
Speaker 2Ricci turns Casper into a real boy. I mean, maybe saw it once, maybe. I mean, it's the exact same story, only the opposite, where Christina Ricci finds a way to make Casper a real boy and then they make out. I think they go to a dance or something. No, they dance, I think. No, they dance, I think they dance. But, they're private parts. They push the private parts together and they dance. But then in this movie we're going the opposite direction and phoebe's gonna ghostify herself.
Speaker 1So it's the same story and we're all like wait a second. Yeah, when did this become a thing?
Speaker 2never it never, because it takes a ghost out of an inanimate object. It doesn't take a ghost out of a person, then they're like your body's not inanimate. Then it'll be like, and it'll last for two minutes.
Speaker 1Why does she want to?
Speaker 2Do you guys already have tests on this? You know how long it's going to last. That's weird. Why does she want to do this? For ghost sex, which is weird? Because, honestly, you'd want to do it the other way around, because ghosts can't really touch each other. You know what I'm saying. It was so weird. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. What's even more confusing, though, is that she somehow talks when she's disembodied. Her real body's talking. That's not how that works. Your ghost is out of your body. You'd think so.
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Speaker 1It's so dumb, so her ghost leaves. And then we find out that this was their whole plan. Right, because what they need a human to speak the words, even though it was a, it was a gramophone that spoke the words before so just do that again or maybe, maybe someone in the adventurous club listened to the thing and then sang. It was like restate, like retelling they all sang along with the gramophone Guys what a hit here we go, and so Phoebe's doing this because Garak is going to let her see her family.
Speaker 2Yeah, I think that means she's moving on. I think Right.
Speaker 1I don't know.
Speaker 2I'm pretty sure that's what it is, cause she said, you know cause? She burned her whole family to death on purpose, and now they're in heaven and she wants to get there, I guess.
Speaker 1And she says I'm sorry, but now Garak just takes control over Phoebe. Why didn't Garak just take constant control over Melody? Why would she trust Melody?
Speaker 2I don't understand any of this. It was because it doesn't make any sense. You're all alone in that, Dan. Everybody else gets it.
Speaker 1Okay, so Garak is now free and he leaves, and what is the first thing he does, what is the absolute first thing he does?
Speaker 2he's, I don't know.
Speaker 1He stands in the street he attacks a smoke shop that's called like the fire master and then kills a guy and says are you the fire?
Speaker 2master. Oh right, sure, like the key master. What I don't know doesn't make any sense. I just got that dan fire master, key master. I literally this is the first time I've made that connection.
Speaker 1That's wonderful stuff, pretty stupid um, and then he goes to his apartment and gets his horns, horns now is that how horns work?
Speaker 2he just plugs them back in Sure Sure.
Speaker 1It's a ghost.
Speaker 2What does he care? I mean, that's a good point.
Speaker 1Now, at this point, do days pass? I?
Speaker 2don't know.
Speaker 1You got me, so now we get the ice attack on the beach and the bridge, which is the only part of the movie I really enjoyed.
Speaker 2Now does kumail live in, like across the bridge from where they are? I don't understand.
Speaker 1I have no idea because why is he come? He comes in off the ocean for a reason I don't know I don't know either. We never will and then, okay, what did you like about he said? You said, you liked this.
Speaker 2Yeah, because it just gives off disaster movie vibes, which is fun, and I think it would be a great beginning to a film about a frozen empire.
Speaker 1And then all New York is frozen and then we don't deal with that Is anyone killed?
Speaker 2Is anyone affected? No, because it's fine. Listen, you can freeze and unfreeze. So then I do have a question about the beginning of the movie. All of those people that were frozen in that room? Why did the Fire Master save them? Yeah, they're fine.
Speaker 1They should have been, From my understanding they're fine.
Speaker 2Nope, it's confusing.
Speaker 1Okay, boom. Let's see I stack on the bridge. Now they're driving across the bridge and now we have some wacky banter. We haven't done any wacky banter in a long time.
Speaker 2Let's do some wacky banter. It's been a minute, let's put some in.
Speaker 1Boom, boom, boom. And now we find out that the bad guy Is going to go to. He wants to empty the tank that's in the firehouse. That was his whole plan.
Speaker 2And he does, though, right Doesn't he do that? I don't know. Yeah, he does.
Speaker 1Because then they put him in the tank, he booms it and it shoots up.
Speaker 2Right.
Speaker 1So where are all those ghosts? They're like shot up in the red and loosed. They're all loosed, but we don't deal with that. No, that's what't deal with that. No, that's what they're going to do. Ghostbusters 3 is collecting everybody that got out Ghost world. Go free.
Speaker 2Got to catch lots of ghosts again and maybe we'll deal with it, although it'll probably be just like Jurassic Park, where Jurassic Park 2, they unleash all these dinosaurs on mainland USA and then in Jurassic Park 3, we don't deal with it. It's fine.
Speaker 1We have a secret dinosaur flea market underneath the building, isn't?
Speaker 2that what we have. That's it. That's how it would work.
Speaker 1Kumail has his armor. I don't know why was Slimer in the movie. We're going to find out in a minute. Possessors yeah, I don't know why was Slimer in the movie? We're going to find out in a minute. Possessor.
Speaker 2Yeah, I don't agree that. That's reason enough.
Speaker 1I'm just going to say Possessor tries to kill them with Ecto-1. Then he gets in a pizza and a proton pack and then Slimer eats the piece of pizza that Possessor is in While Possessor is in the piece of pizza. And then he's dead, and as he eats it, Don't you ignore my question.
Speaker 2Is he dead? What happened to Possessor? Why doesn't he just possess something else he could jump around?
Speaker 1Finn says I know that guy Hold on.
Speaker 2Phoebe says.
Speaker 1Phoebe's. Like you know, this guy can't deal with brass. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to take one of our 10 proton packs and I'm going to coat the stuff in brass. And what is one of the brass things they use I don't know what was it? The poles. They slide down. They went at the pole with a hacksaw. Are the poles ever damaged later on?
Speaker 2No, no, because we use them all the time.
Speaker 1Somebody needed to slide down the pole and then drop, and then drop.
Speaker 2Also, why is she the only one that does the brass? If she thinks it's going to work, wouldn't all of them do the brass?
Speaker 1Or you'd have somebody doing the brass and then they'd have to get it to her, and then you'd have to do this whole thing, and then that would be the tension that they would. Will they be able to finish this in?
Speaker 2time. Then she would have her redemption arc. I mean quote, unquote. She doesn't need it, but the whole thing is like they're like you can't be a part of the Ghostbusters, but then she's got to be the reason that they win, right.
Speaker 1Yeah, they got to say that brass won't work. And then she's like it will work. And then she's up there doing it and they're all like we're going to go down and fight there and you're going to be real Egon and a real Spangler, Spangler. And then she's all like you're not a Spangler, you're just a crying baby and then she comes down the pole shooting brass fire.
Speaker 2Yeah, no, that would be great boom, kumail.
Speaker 1So all of America is frozen. Kumail tries to come down and fire master it, but his lighter doesn't work because they used all they used it too much and all the propane is gone and so then he takes the lighter. Like I crushed your lighter also, there's like the chain mail on the front that protects. And so then Garg takes the lighter and is like well, I crushed your lighter Also, there's like the chain mail on the front that protects him.
Speaker 1He, of course takes that off immediately, because you've got to see the actor? Ooh, it would be crazy if he didn't see Tony Stark. I'm Iron man, but I fly around with my face exposed, my face just wide open. So all of their things fail because they don't have brass. Phoebe zaps in and it's working. Oh wait.
Critique of Strange Collective Scene"
Speaker 2We didn't talk about that. So in an earlier scene, the sidekick girl, whose name I do not recall, faces off against the cold guy and he freezes her proton stream. Is that what's ion stream? What's it called protons from sure great freezes it and it falls down. So then when she tells everyone what happened, she's like my gun barely even made a dent, didn't work. Yeah, but that's not what happened. He froze your stream and then he does it again in this scene and everyone is surprised that he froze the streams. But he already did it and she would have told you that it's very weird. Yeah, they weren't paying attention. They're adults. Adults don't listen to stupid children. Is that what this movie's?
Speaker 1about. Children have nothing to say. Shut up children. Shut up children. So Melody lights her last match, kumail takes the fire. They, they're getting him. And then this is the thing I hated the most in the entire movie.
Speaker 2Oh, okay.
Speaker 1So so basically, we got Phoebe with the with the thing, and then all the old Ghostbusters go downstairs because they're going to use the trap to capture the God. Right go downstairs because they're going to use the trap to capture the god right. So to give everybody something to do, everybody puts their hands around phoebe, including finn, and if you look at it, finn's like who does.
Speaker 2He's trying so hard to get in the group but they didn't tell him how to do it, like they didn't plan this out beforehand, and they're just like you all have to join and he's back here doing his best to get in. He just can't do it. The poor kid is set up to fail in that scene.
Speaker 1It's ridiculous and then all the old Ghostbusters are down and they're trying to throw the switch and they're all like it's gonna take 40 people, oh, every Ghostbuster ounce of geriatric power to click the switch. It's so dumb that, like the collective effort is pushing a switch or pushing on Phoebe. Yeah, touching as opposed to figuring something out.
Speaker 2Yeah, but doing something as a team that would require everyone's skills and expertise.
Speaker 1You know, all Stupid Melody did was light a single match. There must be some more matches around. Stupid melody did was light a single match. There must be some more matches around. There must be. You know, like have everybody. You know like everyone's like going through everything trying to find something whatever. They're trying to figure out how to light a flame. Somebody's up on the gas stove and they light a piece of spaghetti and try and carry the piece of spaghetti down there. Spaghetti not burning, well.
Speaker 2Well, that's a Paul Rudd character moment there.
Speaker 1Yeah, oh, spaghetti Biscotti, but no, they're all just going to stand behind.
Speaker 2Phoebe and push on her. Yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 1And they win, and Melody says goodbye. The beach is okay, the library lion is okay.
Speaker 2So what was her final business? Unfinished business. She didn't like that match. To save Using that last match, yeah.
Speaker 1What, and not burning down some other family? She didn't kill another family.
Speaker 2Okay, so her unfinished business is starting a fire without casualties. Is that what you're telling me?
Speaker 1That is exactly the unfinished. We have solved the mystery, all right, oh boy. Everybody cheers for the Ghostbusters because they know what happened in the firehouse. They sure don't Away from the sight of everyone is what saved the city, no sir. No, no, no, Tony, that's why they're cheering for them. No, they're cheering for a different reason.
Speaker 2We don't know what it is, but it's got to be a different reason than that, because that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1The mayor comes out to yell at them, and then there's a newscaster, and the newscaster is like you know, the Ghostbuster saves everyone. Don't you want to say that they saved everyone, mayor?
Speaker 2And he right. And everyone's like woo, cue the music so weird and gary, it's such an awkward scene.
Speaker 1It doesn't make it's so terrible because they're trying to do the first movie in the new york we love the ghostbusters.
Speaker 2That scene really worked and you would yeah, because, well, they got to see everything that happened. The ghostbusters took down a giant marshmallow guy in that movie. Yep, yep, they did. Everybody knew what was happening. Nobody knows what's happening in this movie.
Speaker 1Giant marshmallow guy comes to the town, destroys things, and then they kill it and then they zap him. Great, it doesn't matter about Zool and everything else that happened on top of the building Zool, everybody sees that the marshmallow guy got killed Exactly.
Speaker 2Period Boom, done, yep. End of story, like that's all you need. This takes place on private property. Inside, nobody knows what's going on.
Speaker 1He built an ice wall behind him, so no one can see it. No one can see it. Maybe podcasts should have been videotaping and been useful Live streaming.
Speaker 2He should live stream it.
Speaker 1Oh my God, and be useful live streaming. He should live stream it.
Speaker 2Oh my god, I can't believe what's happening.
Speaker 1Right, this is we live in the tiktok generation. We live in the live stream generation. Do that 100.
Speaker 2His name is podcast.
Speaker 1Having something to do he had nothing, I'm the guy with the hammer. What you're?
Speaker 2the guy behind the camera.
Speaker 1You're making a youtube. You're the camera guy, you're the guy that makes the show happen, right, you're. You're the loser, like Tony that puts the show up. Hey, hey, we're important. The sidekick. The sidekick whose only job is to record damn good self-talking.
Speaker 2Oh, I forgot to push record. Today we got to start over. Yeah no, I don't understand. I don't understand why everyone's excited. Talk to us, podcast, podcast. Where's your hammer, tony? I don't. I'm not good with hammers, you know like I hit a lot of thumbs as they, as they say you gotta think about what, what our thing, what our hammer could be for the show what our thing is okay.
Speaker 1Okay, you know, like Groucho Marx, you know, in the you Bet your Life. He said the secret word and the bird came down. I was like I have the secret word.
Speaker 2So you stole the bird idea. Is that what you're?
Speaker 1telling me.
Speaker 2That was our best idea, and it turns out it was already done.
Speaker 1There's no new ideas, tony. That's true. You're right about that, that's true, you're right about that. We find out that Phoebe calls Gary dead and I'm like they're married.
Speaker 2Right, yeah, weird.
Speaker 1And then Finn gets to drive. Now Finn's going to be the Ghostbuster driver.
Speaker 2Which is the first thing that he does in the whole movie.
Speaker 1No, I know that guy. He recognized Slimer.
Speaker 2Oh, he recognized the guy that he's been chasing the whole movie when.
Speaker 1Slimer, ate the thing that possesses things, and could just as easily leave again and continue to possess.
Speaker 2No, no, his stomach iron clad, even though he's a ghost.
Speaker 1More importantly, how do you ever catch possessor? You can't right. Can he just jump into the sidewalk and he just possesses the whole?
Speaker 2sidewalk. Yeah, yeah, he can possess anything. I don't know what to tell you. I didn't write that character. What are?
Speaker 1the terms of oh god, possessor. You know why didn't he have the lion and the plinth? It was on and the plinth you wrote it on, so this movie is dumb yeah.
Speaker 2It's not very good it didn't make me angry. It did make me a little angry you know what I mean Mostly because Phoebe was the only character from the first movie that I enjoyed and I don't feel like they kept the same character for this movie.
Speaker 1She's not enjoyable, yeah, and that's a bum movie.
Speaker 2She's not enjoyable. No, yeah, and that's a bummer.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's a waste, but that's what Hollywood is Hollywood's this giant waste pit.
Speaker 2I'd like to just go on record and say I love Hollywood and I would love to work in it. So don't listen to Dan Goodsell. There's good stuff out there. We see good stuff all the time there.
Speaker 1There's good stuff out there. We see good stuff all the time. There's tons of great stuff out there. You more than me, obviously. That's true because I actually watch stuff, Tony's like. I rewatched your TV. I watched it a thousand times Because I need nostalgia, I need to feel good about myself.
Speaker 2You're making fun of me for nostalgia. They just made this movie completely based on nostalgia. So it works, dan. Not for me, but it works so that's Ghostbusters.
Speaker 1If you like our show, subscribe, give us a thumbs up or a like.
Speaker 2No, they're not going to do that. It's too late. Dan Podcast would have never left it to this late.
Speaker 1Podcast. We need podcasts. We really do. Now we talk about something we liked. We watched the new show Bodkin with Will Forte, yep.
Speaker 2And then there's, like the Irish girl and the Scottish girl, and it's produced by the Obamas oh was it.
Speaker 1Yeah, Shannon got very annoyed at the last episode. She got very annoyed.
Speaker 2Oh okay, Interesting.
Speaker 1There was a lot of good character. You know, the characters were really interesting.
Speaker 2Love that.
Speaker 1They were. It was mining some interesting areas and you know there was definitely some twists and turns that you did not expect. And you're like okay, you know it's not a home run, but I would say it was worth watching Like a solid double.
Speaker 2That's a baseball reference. Dan, you brought up a home run, so I said a double Three-pointer, one three-pointer right in the middle of the game.
Speaker 1That's the wrong sport. The wrong sport.
Speaker 2That's field goal.
Speaker 1Okay, what do you got for us?
Speaker 2Tony, we watch the Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare and I thought it was delightful.
Speaker 1That's whatchamacallit.
Speaker 2Guy Ritchie. Guy Ritchie, is that his name?
Speaker 1Yeah, the podcast, I watch the rest is entertainment with richard osmond and marina, whatever his last name. Is she right? She hates guy richie and so it's so funny because she just like just hates guy richie and everything he does well, he does have a particular style, so it's.
Speaker 2It's one of those guys that's easy. If you don't like it, you'll never like anything he does, because she thinks it's not real, you know it's.
Speaker 1It's a super big fiction of sort of his own Way of what? Okay. So, gentlemen, you had fun with it.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, for me 10 out of 10. Henry Cavill unhinged, very sexy, and then Reacher's in it, whatever his name is alan alan richson.
Speaker 1Yeah the man, man, man slash wall.
Speaker 2So good, yeah, I like it and it's, it's fun, it's big, it's, it's big and fun and flashy. You know it's guy richie, but it's great time. And then I was like, oh, I want to learn more about these guys. Don't make that mistake. They, they're all dead. What do you mean? None of them. So this was like their first mission as this team. Isn't this a World War II thing? It is a World War II. Yes, let me explain what I meant by they're all dead?
Speaker 1I would think they were all dead.
Speaker 2None of them made it out of the war. Oh, wow, except for the girl, the woman in this movie. She lived. All of the men all died on later missions. Wow, all of them. And I was so depressed that night when I started doing research. Spoiler alert the character that Henry Cavill plays. This was their first mission as a team. He dies on the second mission. It's horrible, wow, so very depressing. Don't pay attention to the real stuff, but enjoy the movie. It's not depressing.
Speaker 1So the second one, the sequel's going to be very dark.
Speaker 2I doubt it and also it's probably not getting a sequel. I don't think it did very well.
Speaker 1That movie was like a movie where you're like in another age. This might have been paid attention to In this age. No one cares yeah, yep, unfortunately correct I mean think about what was the, what was the guy richie, that, uh, iron man did that. They did like 12 of them. Uh, sherlock holmes, oh yeah, those, those are bad. And how many of those did they make?
Speaker 1they made like three, like three, I think it was three yeah, like back in the back in 2022, they were just like we gotta make another one of those would have been yeah, would have been perfect, and now you're like oh yeah, your movie, no one cares but I think I like the last two guy richie films a lot and I think they both did terrible.
Speaker 2Maybe it's not the last two.
Speaker 1We watched the gentleman and both really enjoyed it the gentleman's great um.
Speaker 2What was the one with josh hartnett that nobody liked? Because I liked that a lot. Operation gumbo drop, I don't know I made the second word up. It's definitely operation something yeah, I remember the title. I'm looking it up right now Operation Fortune.
Speaker 1So gumbo drop Same idea. Did not see it, did not see the gumbo, I enjoyed it I love Josh Hartnett and I'm excited for his new movie.
Speaker 2He's doing the new M Night Shumlamla movie. What is it? Something about? A concert? I saw the trailer last week. I don't remember, but it looks great M Night.
Speaker 1Send that check to us for promoting the hell out of your show For promoting your movie.
Speaker 2Jesus Tony, just go to Josh Hart and it's IMDB, it'll be there.
Speaker 1So we're going to do some action, since we're talking about action.
Speaker 2Ooh A-C-T-I-O-N Action Boys Action.
Speaker 1I wanted to do this one a couple weeks ago, because this one must be directed or written by somebody that did one of the movies we just did. I watched the trailer and I'm like oh yeah, we gotta see this one. It's called Hitman Agent 47.
Speaker 2Oh, hell, yeah, Okay, great. I've been wanting to see this for a while. I think it stars someone named Rupert Friend. Oh, so this isn't Timothy Olyphant's hitman.
Speaker 1I've seen that one. It's not great, the Timothy Olyphant one his. You know the bald cap problem.
Speaker 2Sure Sure.
Speaker 1No, this one's some other. I think it's a different 2015. Yeah, that checks out Some other different video game Something around there.
Speaker 2You're right, rupert Friend, whoever that is, he's a guy. He's a guy Scandal. Hey, he was in Asteroid City, so he's doing great.
Speaker 1Freak train. Freak train.
Speaker 2You love that movie, Freak train freak train.
Speaker 1You love that movie. Freak train, freak. Did you ever watch it?
Speaker 2Yeah, we watched it one weekend. I remember that I don't think I hated it right. I think I said it was fine. I don't know, they're weird. He's weird, all right.
Speaker 1They're very weird, really weird. It was really pretty. That was one of the most pretty movies I've ever seen. Oh, this guy plays the Grand Inquisitor in Obi-Wan Kenobi for four episodes. I think I made it through the first episode and then I was like, oh, obi-wan's got to protect Princess Leia Jr. And I was like I'm out, I'm out, I'm out. No thanks, make it a story about something you know.
Speaker 2it's like the stupid. That's why Obi-Wan is her only hope.
Speaker 1You know, the thing they did with Andor that they realized is let's just make a story that doesn't just talk about all the stupid characters that we're all fucking sick of.
Speaker 2Yeah, it doesn't have to like connect to the main stuff, like I just like stories in this universe. It's an interesting universe.
Speaker 1Pick one character and then just tell their story. You could maybe have an occasional person show up If Princess Leia Jr showed up for like a minute, but that can't be the plot. It can't be, the plot. It can't be the plot.
Speaker 2Well, it can and was. So you're wrong. It was the plot. Yeah, I don't really full disclosure. I don't really watch the star wars stuff anymore, so I'm out yeah, I gave up.
Speaker 1You're not gonna watch the acolyte I don't even know.
Speaker 2I don't know what that's about. Uh, I didn't. I haven't watched the last like three or four things they did did you ever watch andor? Nope, never watched. Andor didn't watch. Um, what's her name's? Ahsoka? Oh, it was bad. I believe it. Yeah, so I don't know. We're. We're just kind of out on the whole universe at this point.
Speaker 1He's done with that universe. Well, the uh, phil lord and the other guy are taking over all of the sony spider-Man Marvel Universe TV shows. They just took them over.
Speaker 2Okay, what shows are those? No clue, Okay, Alright well.
Speaker 1I guess we'll see what happens. Having re-watched that latest Spider-Verse movie so many times, definitely my favorite movie. If it came out this year, it's my favorite movie of this year. If it came out last year, my favorite movie of last year came out this year. It's my favorite movie of this year.
Speaker 2If it came out last year, my favorite movie of last year I, I mean, it was definitely not this year, right, I don't know? Nah, I don't know. Time is a construct that's for sure.
Speaker 1Well, my disc is almost full tony, uh-. Oh, we better get out of here. Then we better get out of here. So, yeah, we'll be back next week talking about Hitman Agent 47.
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