Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
Hate Watching with Dan and Tony
Hate Watching In A Dark Place
Ever wonder if a head-scratching film can actually be a prequel without telling you? This week, Dan and Tony tackle the circuitous storytelling of "In a Dark Place"—yes, that adaptation of "A Turn of the Screw"—and wrestle with a climax that's more bewildering than a plot twist in a labyrinth. We're peering through the lens of both laughter and critique, dissecting the odd dynamics between characters, the seemingly gratuitous scenes, and the perplexing sexual undertones that leave us as befuddled as a pair of detectives at a ghost convention.
Hold onto your popcorn, because our cinematic safari doesn't stop there. We're diving into the murky waters of "The Turning," where the sudden pivot to religious symbolism in the film's final moments leaves us gasping for air—metaphorically speaking. From improvised dialogue that feels like a game of narrative Mad Libs, to character decisions that defy logic, we keep the banter buoyant as we navigate the stormy seas of this adaptation's attempt at provocative storytelling. And if you think ghostly encounters with dolls and masked figures are where the weirdness ends, think again.
It's a whirlwind of wonky jokes and untapped drumming potential that might just have you questioning the very fabric of cinematic comedy. So join Tony and me as we muse on everything from the oddities of art therapy in film to the strange allure of schoolyard dynamics—all while maintaining a healthy dose of skepticism about whether our beloved Finn Wolfhard could have been the saving grace of a haunted Bly Manor. Grab a seat and let's get reel about movies!
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You want to do the movie. I mean you do whatever you want to do, it's your show.
Speaker 2:I can do whatever I want.
Speaker 1:It's my show, yeah do whatever you want, it's your show.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's my show.
Speaker 1:I don't think that's what you want to do.
Speaker 2:I don't want to do whatever I want.
Speaker 1:Wait, singing and dancing. I don't think you want to sing and dance.
Speaker 2:I've always told that story. Improv thing I ever did was Phyllis Brutchen and she said do whatever you want for two minutes. I was just like that's the end of the world. Welcome to Hate Watching with Dan and Tony. Let's start out with a laugh. I'm Dan, I'm Tony. See, we're laughing. You're supposed to keep laughing, so we're gonna start out with a laugh, that's called acting. It's almost like we're in the movie that we're watching today. Oh the movies. People start laughing. Director, start laughing. Why are you laughing?
Speaker 1:the movies.
Speaker 2:People start laughing. Director start laughing. Why are you laughing? Because I'm laughing.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:Somebody tell me so on this show. We watched a movie. Last week. We had watched the Turning Based on the Turn of the Screw. This week, great movie A movie with Finn the Screw. This week Great movie, a movie with Finn Wolfhard. This week Tony picked another movie, but not really another movie.
Speaker 1:It's a similar. I have a theory, by the way, and I'm going to save it till the end so we can talk about everything, but I have a theory that this movie is a prequel to the Turning. I have a theory. What movie is this? Oh, this movie is another fantastic film based on the novella A Turn of the Screw, and this is, of course, in a Dark Place, starring Lili Sobieski, and oh, I forgot the other woman's name, darn it other people she had a woman in this the other woman in.
Speaker 2:It was, uh, one of the baratheons in um game of thrones, oh yeah, no, she's had a, she's had a career.
Speaker 1:You know she's done some stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's good, um, yeah, good, yeah, I think it was 2004, 2006.
Speaker 1:Yeah, early, early aughts, is that what they say?
Speaker 2:Yeah, just an impenetrable hour and 39 minutes. Just a plodding hour and 39 minutes.
Speaker 1:Dan, did you watch this with commercials?
Speaker 2:No, I paid 99 cents. You could rent this on Amazon for 99 cents.
Speaker 1:You made the right choice Because I'm going to, I'm gonna. I streamed it for free with ads and every commercial break. It was a struggle not to turn it off, because it's a minute, a minute and a half to two minutes of not watching the movie and you're like, oh man, I really want to turn this off. I need a.
Speaker 2:I usually watch the movie on Thursday and Friday.
Speaker 1:I kind of watch a half an hour or 45 minutes.
Speaker 2:This one I finished this morning. I still had about 48 minutes left this morning 48?.
Speaker 1:You didn't even watch an hour the first two days.
Speaker 2:First two days, I couldn't even get through an hour of this movie.
Speaker 1:This movie makes you wish for Finn Wolfhard. First two days I couldn't even get through an hour.
Speaker 2:Oh boy, that's not good at all. This movie makes you, makes you wish for finn wolfhard I, I would, oh boy that's a tough that's a tough pill to swallow, dan.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I quite wish for him, but I would say it's. It would be a reprieve, it's the best you're gonna get. Get Finn Wolfhard, take it.
Speaker 2:This version did a couple of things better. A couple of things better.
Speaker 1:It did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely, because the things this movie did better.
Speaker 1:So if you didn't, watch last week.
Speaker 2:Go back and watch last week. It's two hours of your life, you're never getting back. So basically the story is woman goes to be the new nanny or art therapy teacher goes to take care of these two kids. We find out that there was a old governess nanny that has died, and then also like a man, who may or may not have been a gigantic problem, and then possibly the two ghosts of these dead people are ghosting and perhaps possessing the children, perhaps convincing the children to do bad things, maybe not even existing, maybe yeah.
Speaker 1:Who knows? Pretty wide open on the spectrum.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so. So once again, this will be like you know what we're going to do we're not going to answer're gonna do we're not gonna answer any questions, we're not gonna take a stance.
Speaker 1:We refuse and I get from my understanding the book Is also open ended, right? So I guess they're just trying to stay faithful. But make a choice. Make a choice. It's a modern audience. Make a choice.
Speaker 2:Modern audiences. Just they do not have that bone in them that wants to be conflicted and confused, where they walk out of the theater going like what just happened what, what did? I watch somebody tell me so this movie, what it does better is okay. It makes it seems like she could be crazy.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna say, uh, say yeah, she is. Oh, you're saying she's she's crazy. I think she's it does. I'm not saying the movie answers that question. I'm saying, in my opinion, yeah, she's not so you're going with the main thing going on.
Speaker 2:There is she's crazy. Yeah, I think this movie makes that, postulates that and and backs it up pretty well with with what happens is she's crazy, and I mean of course she's third act crazy. We don't spend act one and two really establishing that she's crazy.
Speaker 1:We're just like we really make her act crazy. Well, you touch on it a little because she has the swing set dreams, yes, so it does that, and so she's locked into the house more.
Speaker 2:So you believe that she's not going to want to leave and she's not a stable person who goes the last one. She was a stable person who would just.
Speaker 1:Certainly seemed like it, and she made a pinky promise. Can't break those. Those are bonding.
Speaker 2:Yes, she's stuck there, so whatever happens. And then the kids. While this one, the kids are largely irrelevant to the story.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it turns out they're not a big deal at all. All of the other, all of them, the one other that we watched plus the Haunting of Bly Manor the kids are pretty much the focal point of the weirdness that's happening In this movie. Nope, nope, they almost do nothing.
Speaker 2:They do almost nothing they occasionally do a little weird thing that maybe draws you in a direction or you know something.
Speaker 1:But not much. Yeah, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2:They're definitely not being haunted like or possessed that's what I'm looking for absolutely not possessing this yeah, that we don't deal with that at all in this one and we really don't give you a feeling that the ghosts are like talking to them or really influencing them consistently.
Speaker 1:There's one moment in the movie that I was like, oh, that could be right. And it's when Flora is up late and the governess comes in and she's like, hey, did you have a bad dream? She's like no, did you? And then when she leaves, flora looks over in a direction and smiles like laughs a little. I was like, oh, maybe she has a friend, but we never do anything like that again for the rest of the movie.
Speaker 2:So I maybe I'm going crazy maybe you're going crazy, um, so that thing, you know.
Speaker 1:So the movie had better kids, um, I think it's finn wolfhard you know what I mean saying that's better, that's a low bar that they could not surpass well, I mean these kids.
Speaker 2:It's not that they're bad, it's just they're not doing anything. Well, that's true, finn.
Speaker 1:Finn did a couple things like bang a drum at someone he I mean, he banged the shit out of that drum though, okay, that was the scariest moment in the in the universe.
Speaker 2:And like when he made a pass at her, you were like, though, okay, that was the scariest moment in the in the universe and like when he made a pass at her, you were like well, okay, that's weird, you know, when the kid this thing, I was like good for you, finny, go get her what about when the kid makes his move in this this?
Speaker 1:movie. Uh, well, this one's because, again, finn wolfhard was at least a teenager. This kid's definitely 10, maybe 11 and so when he does a little peekaboo, I was. I was a little weirded out, but also on board still, because I was like good for you, kid, you gotta get what you get. You know and I we'll talk about that when we get there because there are some weird themes in this movie that you know that, yeah, that play into that. It's not as out of the blue that it probably should be.
Speaker 2:Yeah uh, the music in this one terrible in a very different direction so weird, so so, so weird.
Speaker 1:The end credit song is like a weird 90s rock song, it felt like like matrix style like, and I was like, where did this come from? This has nothing to do with anything. I just watched for 90 minutes, yeah, this this composer was like I'm going for it. And then everyone afterwards were like hold my beer everybody, I'm going for it and I'm sure they were like can we do it again? No, we don't. Do we have any money? No, all right. Print it.
Speaker 2:It's fine. Yeah, okay, so we start. Our girl, anna, is an art teacher, an art therapy teacher. So we do a lot of art therapy where we look at a picture and we're like, oh, now we understand what's going on with the kid. Oh, we put extra people in the picture. That means there's ghosts, or it just means they miss the people. We don't know.
Speaker 1:Who knows, don't think about it too hard.
Speaker 2:She's on the floor and there's broken glass.
Speaker 1:She's cleaning something maybe, and we're not sure what's going on. We miss the actual breaking or anything like that. It's just her on the ground.
Speaker 2:But it seems like she's like on the ground.
Speaker 1:She's having problems. It seems like she's like on the ground she's having problems.
Speaker 2:She's yeah, she's having problems so the head guy comes in there and takes her to his office and then he's like it's not working out, hand on the on the knee and then he rapes her I mean, he's definitely I.
Speaker 1:They don't tell you that he goes all the way. Sure, let me be clear, but he's definitely. They don't tell you that he goes all the way. Sure, let me be clear, but he's definitely sexually harassing her at a minimum. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:And we're to find out later that she's kind of. She ends up being sort of haunted by her younger self, who we sort of found out, finds out was molested as a kid, yeah, and her candy apple got dirt on it, and then the mom didn't believe her, I guess yep and yep it's.
Speaker 1:It's a theme that I'm not super comfortable with you know what I mean like I don't, I'm, I get all obviously as I think you should, but it's should, but it's hammered pretty hard in the movie and then it kind of branches into are the new kids also being molested? I don't know. So we'll talk about is she gets fired and then they make their move on her. Usually I feel like and listen, I've, you know, I've thank God, I've never been in this situation on either side of it. But I feel like normally they're like do you want to keep your job? Then let me fondle you, as opposed to you're fired. Now let's make out. I felt like that was a weird direction, but they both do it.
Speaker 2:They both do the same sort of thing and it's yeah, I mean, if it seems like they, they sort of imply that she's bringing it on in a way in a weird, weird way in I all right, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1:I won't talk about this too much because I don't want to start rumors, but I have a theory that this director is completely in love with lily sobieski, like there's some weird, weird things that I felt that didn't suit the story story.
Speaker 1:But he was like um, however, she's very, um provocative in the film and it kind of felt like they were vilifying. That to me like being like not vilifying, but being like, well, you know, if you're gonna dress like that, you know things are gonna happen. Because before that scene, when the headmaster comes in, she's on the ground and her legs are, she's wearing like stockings and her legs are out of the table and he's like checking her legs out and then like I guess that's like the green light, I don't know it was. It was weird.
Speaker 2:I got a weird vibe from the whole thing so you're, you're thinking that the director sort of is male gazing on her like in a weird way. That doesn't sort of fit with what the writer was maybe trying to say.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think that the movie, obviously the movie is about that in a way. Yeah, like sexualizing her, yeah, like from start to finish, right.
Speaker 2:But I just it's just.
Speaker 1:it just felt weird to me. It didn't feel like oh, this is the story we're telling to me. But maybe I'm wrong, maybe I just didn't get it, maybe it's too artistic for me.
Speaker 2:Dan, it was not very artistic, okay, and they.
Speaker 1:They have a tendency to sort of maybe not linger on her breasts, but oh, sort of maybe not linger on her breasts, but oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, they linger, they linger, they show them up, they're in every scene. Every time you see here, they are in some way shape or form, front and center, okay, and I it made me uncomfortable that I feel like that's hard to do, okay, because I don't know it was. It was weird. There were a couple moments where I was like, why, why, why are her? I feel like that's hard to do. Okay, I don't know, it was weird. There were a couple moments where I was like, why, why are her boobs in my face right now? I don't understand.
Speaker 2:And it would be like even just when she's like in the kitchen making eggs or something, and you'd just be like why am I kind of fixating on her breasts?
Speaker 1:The eggs is actually a great point, dan, because she's making the eggs and she's kind of tossing them with a spatula, as you do.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no Is it not a spatula, it's a wooden spoon. It's a wooden spoon, okay.
Speaker 1:Let me tell you something.
Speaker 2:I make eggs. Every day I make eggs, and you know what I use. I use a spatula.
Speaker 1:That's what you use on eggs.
Speaker 2:That's why stupid, very ineffective, and I gained a lot. I mean I gained. I was very disrespectful of her cooking skills when she was doing it with the spoon, I was like Good for you Dan Take a stand.
Speaker 1:You know, you got to stand up to what you believe in, okay.
Speaker 1:So, she's with a wooden spoon, which is even weirder. But we're not for the most part, we're not watching the eggs, but we're in this mid shot of her tossing the eggs, but it's mostly just boobs. There's no, I don't, there's no reason for it. Nobody on screen is noticing it. You know what I mean. Like if maybe Miss Gross was, you know, gazing upon her, and that's why we're staring at her boobs in this moment, like I can understand. Understand, it's motivated I didn't feel like it was motivated for the most part in this movie and it's just like whoever's behind the camera is just like focus on the middle area, just yeah, just right there, that's, that's good, that looks nice.
Speaker 1:Let's get that shot get in there I don't know and I could be wrong. I'm not. I'm not throwing accusations, I'm just saying this is how I felt while watching the movie.
Speaker 2:I am a person who doesn't see the artifice of directing. I'm not good at you know. It's like I could never direct Because I'd be like, well, let's just set the camera up here and everything will happen in front of it, just go. And just go you know, that's why I like live stuff and go all right you know it's like. That's why I like live stuff and you know it's like set up a camera. Stage work is nice, yeah, so when I notice things, that's not a problem.
Speaker 1:That's not good. You've done something very wrong what is happening here?
Speaker 2:I, I, I, I don't know why she's wearing like something like this, that's saying this, and I'm like, and we're shooting it like this. I'm like what is going on here?
Speaker 1:yeah, it's weird. It it's weird, it's a weird vibe. It's a weird vibe. Maybe the whole idea is he's just going for that sort of vibe to like, make you uncomfortable. Maybe he thinks it services the story that he's telling. I'm not sure. Here's what I will say is I read an interview that he did and he has never read the book, he's never read the novella, and so he was just the people that wrote the movie have obviously read the novella, but he had never read it. So the vibe is just like whatever he felt like.
Speaker 1:Wow, it's almost like he wanted so take that for what you will.
Speaker 2:Maybe take a little time and do that.
Speaker 1:In his defense. Here's what I'll say. I did buy it this week and I am 24 pages in and I have read it for like two hours. It's dense and it's hard to get through, but I am determined to do it by the time we meet again next week I always remember we we read um tale of two cities when I was there ah, sure, yeah and I remember reading that and you're like ah, tale of Two Cities.
Speaker 2:You know, tale of Two Cities. Everyone's like ah, tale of Two Cities. I read it and I was like that's the greatest book ever. Love this book. Oh, okay, because it wasn't like this dense, it was just story Story story, story, story story. Things happen.
Speaker 1:Story story the story. All right, yeah, I'm there. Well, don't read the Turning of the Screw, dan, you're not gonna love it.
Speaker 2:A lot of metaphor and a lot of environment and feeling Run on sentences.
Speaker 1:He does a sentence with like six commas and that's too many commas. I don't. Times were different back then, I understand, but it's a lot of commas and it's hard because the thoughts are broken up so much and you're like I don't even know what this one sentence is and then I have to reread it. It's a whole thing, man.
Speaker 2:Tony's got your dissect. You know like you do in English.
Speaker 1:I got my chart with the slides and that's just per sentence.
Speaker 2:So she goes home, the headmaster's there looking at papers, he's looking at this thing. He's like ah, he's found her a job.
Speaker 1:Now why.
Speaker 2:Oh, to get rid of her, but he fired her. Now he wants to really get rid of her.
Speaker 1:Because of the sex. Maybe he wants to throw her a solid to really disappear her To say like hey, thanks, thanks for the handy, here's a job. Yeah, it's really weird, I don't understand it, but it's fine.
Speaker 2:So Anna goes to the big business place, goes up the elevator with the assistant, he looks at her and he's like okay, you got the job. Who's like this is the brother of the dead parents of the two kids? Yeah, the uncle, he's your classic. I want this off my thing. You can't ever bother me. You're on your own. I'm gonna send Mrs Gross with you. She's. I don't know why she was there she's.
Speaker 1:So that's my biggest question mark of the whole movie. He says that she's his personal assistant, yeah, and then he just sends her to the cottage indefinitely, seems like indefinitely Right who was at the cottage while they were all at the office, Because Flora was technically home, oh well there was a little.
Speaker 2:There's a housekeeper, at the beginning there was a cook, there was a cook and, like in a couple of scenes, there's also a driver, but then at a certain point, in the movie they all leave, they all get in. They say this oh, they actually say this.
Speaker 1:I do not remember this at all.
Speaker 2:They all hop in a car and you're like who's hopping in the car? And then in the scene later they tell you oh, the servants have all gone for the weekend.
Speaker 1:Okay, all this takes place over a weekend. Oh boy, I guess I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think, yes, I do think everything happens over I mean we have the first, because I think Miles comes home on a Wednesday and I'm assuming she gets there on a Monday.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because she was supposed to come home on a Friday, but he came early or something. I don't know yeah.
Speaker 2:So I think this is a week, I think this whole thing is a week.
Speaker 1:Boy, she really unravels fast.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, yes, yes, it's unfortunate. So she's good Contact mail in an emergency. Here's a big fat salary. Here's a clothing allowance.
Speaker 1:Go buy yourself some clothes and then she buys the worst clothes ever. They're all terrible.
Speaker 2:You would think she'd be buying some sort. I expected there to be a point of appropriate clothes versus inappropriate, some explanation as to what that clothes budget meant. But it doesn't mean anything. Nope, doesn't mean nothing. Car picks her up. She sees her childhood ghost standing there, or doesn't mean anything. Nope, doesn't mean nothing. Car picks her up, she sees her childhood ghost standing there, or doesn't see her. And then Mrs Gross is with her. The nephew's returning on Friday. The parents were killed in a plane crash. They arrive at the house, they get a tour of the house. She's happy, she's like oh, my house. And then the staff is also leaving. Friday. There's a cook, sheila, and then someone named oh wow, she had a name.
Speaker 1:I didn't even know she was in the movie write it down, baby incredible she literally appears.
Speaker 2:I believe in about two scenes maybe three all right, I think mrs gross's name is emma, but we always call her mrs gross. Yeah, yeah, she. Then we have the first of the baths. She takes the first of several. Thankfully this is not an overhead bath where we see dirty water. We just, oh man, that water last week was so gross and she went under.
Speaker 1:She opened her eyes unbelievable. Yeah no, this is like a nice bubble bath. It looks wonderful. She's laughing and acting drunk. She spills so much water out of the tub irresponsible, it doesn't care like doesn't care it's hilarious, I don't, yeah, I don't know, I don't know what's going on in this scene. I again the vibe is weird and I feel like it's just the director is like well, you're naked in a bath, let's just let's giggle and have some fun, babe, and action.
Speaker 2:She had one hour to freshen up and she takes a bath, yeah. And so when she finally goes out to see Mrs Gross, I was like, oh man, she's going to get. You know, she's going to be there an hour and a half. Gross is going to give her some crap, just like what the hell. But no, that tension, nothing's fine.
Speaker 1:No tension, no tension whatsoever. Yeah, we don't need it.
Speaker 2:You know these movies. That's the thing about both these movies they never build up any tension.
Speaker 1:No Well, you don't need tension in a horror movie, you're wrong Dan. I am wrong.
Speaker 2:That's true. I generally am wrong. Then she thanks Mrs Gross for the bathroom stuff, because I guess the bubble baths she used Mrs Gross put in there for her and she's all like.
Speaker 1:Thank you for doing that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, good, yeah, I did that for you. What is happening?
Speaker 1:What do you mean?
Speaker 2:it's weird uh, flora comes in, she's cute. They say let's go have some fun. Uh, and then flora goes and starts being a little weird with dolls. We have a couple, yeah like a couple scenes with her being weird with dolls. Maybe one scene she puts them on the couch scene and then she drowns a doll at the end scene. Once again, any director that says okay, little girl interact weirdly with dolls.
Speaker 1:Wrong movie unless you're really going to make that girl a freak. Yep, nope, it's just a we. I don't understand anything. I don't understand anything. How about that?
Speaker 2:It's bizarre People love dolls as some sort of surrogate for something, but then they don't. The people that love dolls for a surrogate of something never lay out what they're being a surrogate for and never have them have any effect sure, sure which exhausts us. I wrote a word I cannot read.
Speaker 1:Oh, what is it?
Speaker 2:a context clues as the asd. Oh, he asks her about mrs jessel, maybe. Or we find out about mrs jessel, who was the old. Oh, sure, thanks, we find that name. I don't know. Miles is coming. She puts floor to bed then after we do art already no, we haven't done any art yet okay, all right.
Speaker 2:Puts floor to bed for the very first. I don't think we did any art. I just wrote she was being weird with dolls. I don't think we did art. Miles is coming, not yet. Puts floor to bed. And then we have the weird dinner with Mrs Gross and she's all like Mrs Gross, we should be friends and friends. And then she's like let us be acquaintances. And then it's really weird what's happening.
Speaker 1:But spoilers there's a lot of lesbian subtext between the two of them and then some not subtext, and then it stops being subtext, and then just text. Is that the opposite of subtext?
Speaker 2:we go straight to text. At a certain point she asks who's Mrs Jessel? And she says your predecessor.
Speaker 1:I do love how they say that word predecessor instead of predecessor, which is what I say. Oh, I think they're both right.
Speaker 2:That night, of course, she wakes up and wanders the halls because there's whispering and clumps and things. She sees Flora A lot of whispering. You're having a nightmare and then flora's all like smiley.
Speaker 1:I'm happy, I'm happy yeah, and then she leaves and flora lays down, but then turns her head all the way around and smiles at somebody, right?
Speaker 2:I don't remember I didn't, I probably was writing at that point. I mean, I wrote, I wrote it down.
Speaker 1:I have proof of it. But this is the one time in the movie that I was like oh she sees a ghost.
Speaker 2:But that's it, and then never again.
Speaker 1:Does she? It doesn't seem like it. No, it seems like I made this up.
Speaker 2:Well, it starts snowing, so we're going to have snow the rest of the movie.
Speaker 1:She has breakfast with Mrs Gross.
Speaker 2:We get the letter from Miles School he was expelled. And then we get the letter from Miles' school he was expelled. And then Mrs Gross is all like that's your problem now that's all you.
Speaker 1:All you like, don't? You can't tell the uncle like you have to deal with it. Here's a letter that's literally addressed to the uncle. But you should open it, which is a federal crime.
Speaker 2:But please do it it's quite weird, you know they're trying to set up, like this weird power structure where, like you're in charge of everything. Yeah, and you're like why would she be in charge of everything?
Speaker 1:Nobody knows Nobody knows.
Speaker 2:So she's all like let's go see Miles. So they drive to Miles. So once again, now the children are not trapped there, they can just leave freely. Yeah, they can do whatever they want. We got that tension, the tension of, like Flora, not being able to leave off the table. We're not going to do that.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, that's too much. Too much to do.
Speaker 2:On the trip to see Miles she asks, miss Gross, is Miles bad? And then she's just like they're strange children. Were they strange children?
Speaker 1:Not really. I didn't get any strange vibes from them. To be honest with you, I don't know.
Speaker 2:They seem pretty normal At the school. We find out that he's a bad influence. What does?
Speaker 1:that mean I don't know. Yeah, I didn't like at least in in. Was it the turning that he fought somebody?
Speaker 2:I think he yeah I think he beat up something like that.
Speaker 1:Like at least that makes sense. But he literally was just like he's a bad influence on the kids, like what do you mean? He's being weird around the kids, and so you know there's too much of a weirdo, we're gonna kick him out of school but I mean he actually that was one that was one of the best.
Speaker 2:One of the only good lines in the movie is the dude was like we got a bunch of rich kids here and we got to keep it going. So if you're a problem, you just you're gone.
Speaker 1:You're just out immediately. We don't care, we don't care about anything, we're not going to help you. You just, you just gotta go. You're rocking the boat, you're out of the boat. You're like, listen, yeah, it's all probably from donations anyhow. So like we need those, you gotta get out donations no, they keep the school ahead right.
Speaker 2:No, they charge evidence. It's a rich guy school rich kids?
Speaker 1:yeah, isn't that how they do schools?
Speaker 2:I don't know they do kids schools you pay tuition.
Speaker 1:Tuition donation it's the same thing. Well, you're paying for your kid to go to school Donation very different thing. Lori Loughlin went to jail right for paying for her kid to go to school. So in that, tuition guys, come on.
Speaker 2:I don't think that's how it works. Here comes Miles. Oh, this is his third expulsion.
Speaker 1:Right, which is weird.
Speaker 2:Yeah, bad influence. Tragic flirt gives someone a drawing.
Speaker 1:At what point do people just stop letting you into schools? Like oh you've been expelled twice, but please come to my rich person's school, where we have no sympathy for you. That doesn't make any sense to me. Oh no, they'll always take you If you pay them money. Yeah, if you pay them money.
Speaker 2:But tuition to me?
Speaker 1:Oh no, they'll always take you If you pay them money.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you pay them money, but tuition, not donations. Okay, got it. Yes, tuition, you give donations. They're like who are? You oh yeah, thank you for the donation. We don't want your kid.
Speaker 1:We don't want your child.
Speaker 2:Sorry, here comes Miles, miles and Flora, same height. Oh okay, that's weird.
Speaker 1:Yeah, are they twins? Are they the same age? No, there's three.
Speaker 2:No, it's like two or three years of difference. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because she hasn't gone.
Speaker 2:She's not going to school.
Speaker 1:That's true, I guess I just thought maybe there weren't girl schools.
Speaker 2:you know he went to an all-boys school.
Speaker 1:I don't know they don't have dude, I don't know, I don't know where we are. We're probably in Toronto or one of those places. Ah, Toronto.
Speaker 2:He apologizes to her. They ride. She falls asleep. She dreams of a candy apple girl, and then she has another dream where she can't make miles up. This is called foreshadowing. He's going to die. Wake up, you're dead. Wake up.
Speaker 1:I was like wow, they're killing Miles early in this episode. Nope, he's only in the movie for three minutes and they just kill him off. That'd be fun, it'd be, different, surprising. Why not, good for you, try something?
Speaker 2:Mix it up, gotta deal with things. Uh no, they get home. Oh no, they. They wake her up there like she's like tell me about miss jessel. And then mrs gross is like she was good, but she drowned. The kids found her, she was pregnant and then, yeah, wait what?
Speaker 1:it's a lot of, a lot of info, a lot of yeah she was pregnant.
Speaker 2:So the kids are disturbed, the kids disturbed and she's all like but please stay, Please stay. And her big response is sure Sure, sure, I'll do it. Sure, you know how I can get Shannon to try to punch me. She asked me. She asked me a question, sure, yeah?
Speaker 1:sure, sure. Yeah, I get yelled at a lot too. I'm not gonna lie, but I say I feel like I say sure a lot, because it's my uh, I'll do it, but I don't like want to do it. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:that's exactly what sure means that is not the answer anyone's looking for no? No, it sure isn't and then she's like that. Mrs gross is like thank you, this is the point. The whole staff leave. Now we start the art therapy as soon as the staff is gone. Art therapy.
Speaker 1:So I think we do art before Dan, because they do the finger painting and Flora is playing with the dolls and she doesn't want to finger paint, Do you? Remember this oh okay, sure, and it's just my favorite part of the movie.
Speaker 2:Oh, sorry, I have to talk about it. I almost missed your favorite part of the thing.
Speaker 1:It was, it would have been a tragedy. I would have brought it up at the end either way. But listen to this. So anna is doing finger paint and she's just covered in paint. Right, her hands are just covered. She's painting floors, playing with her dolls over here. Oh my god, she's so cute. You just got your sweetest little pup little face. So she's playing with these dolls and anna's like do you want to come finger paint? And flora's like no, it's not ladylike. Oh man, I don't remember that scene. You remember this? I?
Speaker 2:must have paused it, ladylike, I must have paused it. And then it jumped like 20 seconds, because it does that on amazon of course, it does nothing.
Speaker 1:Nothing, none of these streaming sites work the way they're supposed to. Okay, okay, it's not lazy like wow, that never comes up again, okay and it gets mad and she starts going who told you that? Who told you that? Flora, who said that to you? And then we just cut away.
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't know what it means.
Speaker 1:I don't know. It doesn't seem to come back ever, because then in the next, next time we see art, floor is just like I love art, let's do art. I have no idea what this scene is, but she gets mad and she's like personally offended that someone said art isn't ladylike, and I don't know. I want to see that movie.
Speaker 2:So Mrs Gross and Anna, we see them, sort of the love connection is happening.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, it's building. Oh yeah, they like each other. I don't know why.
Speaker 2:Hot older lady, hot younger lady. That's how it happens.
Speaker 1:Sure, I guess, yeah, I guess, that's all you need. Good for you.
Speaker 2:Now we sort of go into like we sort of social art. We sort of show the kids running around, they're playing in the snow, they build the snowman, they kill the snowman, they run off, and then she's all like wait, wait for me and she is so much slower than the children.
Speaker 1:It it's so weird.
Speaker 2:You have nephews and nieces and things I do. Are they all much faster? If they were to run on a field they would just be like stop, I'm not even a fast guy, right, let's be clear.
Speaker 1:I'm a big guy, I lumber, but their legs are so short, dan, that I can take two long steps, and that's ten steps for them. So I am faster than them, at least for now, and one of them is like 11 or 12.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah. So you know, yeah, when they get to be Finn Wolfhards, you're dead.
Speaker 1:When his legs are almost as long as mine and he's skinny and quick and agile. Yeah, they're gonna demolish me Absolutely, but these are little kids, little kids with tiny little legs just shuffling along in the snow. Not a chance, unbelievable not a chance. Well, maybe she does to be fair, she kind of moves like an ogre. Did you notice that in this movie?
Speaker 2:when she's trying to move quickly like an ogre. No, tony, I did not notice her ogre movements.
Speaker 1:Well, you probably should have paid more attention, because when she's trying to move fast outside she hunches her back a little and sticks out her neck and she kind of waddles. Yeah, she's got an ogre sway to her and I just found that interesting. I don't know if it was a character choice, or maybe that's just how she tries to move quickly, I don't know.
Speaker 2:So, or maybe that's just how she tries to move quickly, I don't know. So Flora has asthma, of course, which, whatever that's your favorite trope in the world. No comment. They get to the pond, she starts hearing whispering and they sort of leave the pond and the kids go back by the house and they find a rat that's frozen and later.
Speaker 1:I think the implication is Miles stomps the rat. Oh okay, I didn't get that.
Speaker 2:He's sort of stomping around it, and that's the equivalent of the koi fish they stomped in the first movie.
Speaker 1:Nothing should suffer. Yeah yeah. The sequel to this movie she sees in the window she sees Should Suffer, yeah yeah, the sequel to this movie.
Speaker 2:Yep, she sees in the window. She sees a hanging guy.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, which is Quint.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she passes out. They bring her inside. They put her in a bed, does she?
Speaker 1:pass out, or does she just lay down very gently, because this was a weird pass out? I don't know if you noticed this. She doesn't thud at all, she just like floats down and then is just there.
Speaker 2:It was really weird. I don't know how they did it she probably loses consciousness.
Speaker 1:I would love to watch you lose consciousness like that.
Speaker 2:She slowly toppled down my consciousness is slipping from my body. I can't hold on. So, mrs Gross, they brought her inside somehow. I don't know how. Two tiny kids and Mrs Gross, who's Well, the ghosts helped Leely's much bigger than Mrs Gross.
Speaker 1:All three of them. She's bigger than all three put together and I don't mean that in a bad way, Just physically she's bigger than them.
Speaker 2:Putting a hand on the forehead gives her a valium. Then she has weird symbolic dreams, which includes mask people, and I'm like, oh, where are the mask people going to come in later? Never.
Speaker 1:They're not.
Speaker 2:I mean, Miles makes one mask, but we never see the mask people again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't have an answer for you once again. She's wandering the halls at night like you do. When you're passing out, she finds a handprint on a window. Mrs gross is there right behind him. What are you doing? And she's like someone was here and mrs gross is like I was here I put my hand there right what now why why? Mrs gross doesn't? Mrs Gross supposedly doesn't believe in the ghosts? Right, right, correct. Why would she be making up stories about ghost signs to try to invalidate the ghost belief?
Speaker 1:I don't know. I don't understand any of this. I thought she was lying at first and I thought she was covering because she knew about the ghosts but didn't want Anna to know about the ghosts because she's in love with one of the ghosts.
Speaker 2:That's what I thought was going to happen, but that doesn't.
Speaker 1:Spoiler alert that doesn't happen. She never believes in the ghost. They're probably not real. I don't know why there's a handprint on the window Because of the ghost.
Speaker 2:Because of the ghost.
Speaker 1:Okay, crazy.
Speaker 2:What's the solution? Take a bath. Taking a bath, I mean, it's the answer to everything, dan.
Speaker 1:Just take off your clothes, get in the bath, All right.
Speaker 2:Miles. They're playing hide and seek. Miles does the backtracking and then he goes off to the barn and then starts smudging shit on his face. Yeah, why? Flora goes to the old chapel, which we never see again. She gets freaked out, runs back out there we hear a scream, what's-her-name? Jumps out of the bath, puts on the robe that shows her boobs.
Speaker 1:Not just her boobs. It's open to her navel. That's what you call a belly button right you could. It's the to her navel. That's what you call a belly button right you could. It's the deepest V you'll ever see. It just covers half her boob and goes all the way down past her belly button. There's no reason for that. No reason whatsoever. Nobody wears a robe that open. That's kind of the opposite of the point of a robe.
Speaker 2:Miles is now wearing a hood and has a weapon and is like I am death.
Speaker 1:I'm here to kill you. Yeah, he's reaping her. I don't, I don't understand. It's so. It's so out of character for the rest of the movie and it's just bizarre.
Speaker 2:I don't know it's like we want to follow the rest of this movie. We're not going to follow the rest of this movie. We're not gonna see the rest of this movie, we're just gonna keep going weird stuff uh even like I, I don't even.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I got nothing. Even if it was Peter Quint, there'd be no reason for Quint to do that. That's not a thing. So I got nothing kids playing.
Speaker 2:You know, didn't you dress up as the grim reaper and try and read all of your all?
Speaker 1:the time, and I would kill my friends and gather their souls. That's what you do as a kid Sick twisted kids.
Speaker 2:They go down there and Mrs Gross and her and they stop them, stop them. She tries to sleep the next night Footsteps. Then there's a night storm. Flora comes to her bed. We see more side boob in this, like when Flora comes to her bed. It's like weird.
Speaker 1:I wrote director loves this robe. That's what I'm saying, man. It's a weird vibe. I don't care what you tell me. It's a weird vibe. It makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 2:A lot of creepy directors out there in the world, for sure. Oh, this is when Anna makes the eggs. Mrs Gross says there's more storms coming, the kid's happy, they're doing art. The art is doing it. Oh, she's like. Oh, the kids are happy, the art is fixing them. Sure, yeah, yeah, that's great. So we get to back there. Mild is now bored with the art. Immediately, immediately, smears out the snowman.
Speaker 1:I don't understand the emotional ride we're taking.
Speaker 2:Just to be very clear this is the emotional ride, tony. It's a roller coaster Up down, up down. I love roller coasters.
Speaker 1:I don't feel like we're getting the middle of the roller coaster you know what I mean Like we're just teleporting to points without taking the ride. I would love to go on that ride, but we're not doing that.
Speaker 2:Well, we never spend enough time in a scene with characters to see them sort of go do something.
Speaker 1:Unless Lily's boobs are on show, and then we spend a lot of time in that scene, gotta show something.
Speaker 2:So then she's like okay, now we're going to make masks. She goes to the kitchen to get mask supplies. Boom, there's Peter Quint.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's the weirdest ghost in the world. He's like half pirate, half just like insane asylum type of like not in real life, but like when you go to a haunted mansion and it's those guys behind the cage and they're like wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. That's what it reminds me of. It's so terrible, it's super weird.
Speaker 2:It's so fakey. So she gets a knife and it goes out there and she's staking around and Miss Gross goes out there and is like whoa, whoa, whoa, slow your roll, Slow your roll, Whoa, whoa, whoa, why do you have a knife? And says what's wrong with you? She's going crazy.
Speaker 1:And the answer is nothing, and I'm going to make love to you in a few scenes, so it's fine, yep.
Speaker 2:Mrs Gross is like okay, i'm'm gonna take the kids, we're gonna go visit some graves, that's what they need right now. Yeah, go take her from ice cream. You know she's being crazy, graveyard, graveyard. Let's keep the tone. Keep the tone in the appropriate thing for a bunch of young kids that have been thrown out of school and had everybody killed, grave time graveyard.
Speaker 1:Now it's good, man. Have you ever been to a graveyard? I'm, I've been to like a, a nice one, you know, like a burial ground is what I would call it, more than like a grave. Because when I think of graveyard I think of like spooky, not exactly like you know, built by the city, just I don't know.
Speaker 2:But I mean, I've been to in your life. Have you spent a lot of time in graveyard? A lot of time?
Speaker 1:I don't know about a lot you know, maybe three, four weeks tops I mean, you know, with this I've.
Speaker 2:You know, I went to hollywood forever one time when I was doing like a photo shoot for some of my dolls done the movies they do at hollywood forever.
Speaker 1:No, it's always. That's cool, it's a crowded, it's cool. People they do at hollywood forever. No, that's cool, it's crowded. It seems like people they do like horror movies on a blow-up screen over there. It's pretty cool yeah, you go.
Speaker 2:I've been to like uh tourist attraction graveyards, but I've never I've never been to real graveyards as graveyards where you're like, you know things you like, go see the dead person. I've never done?
Speaker 1:oh, okay, I have, I have done that. But uh, like my grandparents have a, what's that it's like? Is it called a mausoleum? Is that what those are called? Like they're in a in a structure. Yeah, just on the wall.
Speaker 2:So, if you know, we visited that and stuff I mean, do they make you go there every year when you're nine?
Speaker 1:no, not every year, but we've.
Speaker 2:We've been there, so you've been there, okay, but it's not spooky, it's just sort of like it's sort of like it's not spooky, it's just sort of like it's sort of like it's not spooky, it's just kind of depressing.
Speaker 1:It's just, you know, just surrounded by people that you know aren't here anymore. It's, it's weird.
Speaker 2:Okay, um, okay. So it takes the kids. You want to talk about the scene that, while the kids, while everyone's gone, what does she? I?
Speaker 1:don't know what does who do?
Speaker 2:Anna.
Speaker 1:I don't remember what does she do?
Speaker 2:She goes into Mrs Gross' room, fondles her violin and then goes to her super, super sexy underwear drawer touches and moves all of her underwear.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's. I don't know. I'm a little lost for words from being from being honest, I so, as a whole, I just don't get it, Dan. I don't understand the message we're trying to tell. Right, so she is, and now I'm going to touch on things that haven't happened in the movie yet. So I apologize but we never do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah Right, no, no, no. We like to stay right, linear, we're very linear people. So she's molested as a child Awful, terrible. She's still haunted by it as an adult. She's also harassed as an adult, which can't help. And then. But then she's also creeping on other people. So are we saying, because she had that trauma in the past, that's why she's messed up. And then she like Because then her and Miss Gross have what I think is a consensual relationship, I think. But she's also not into it at all in that scene, like her face and maybe this is Lili, I don't know, but her face is like I don't like this. But she's also not into it at all. In that scene, like her face and maybe this is Lili, I don't know but her face is like I don't like this, but she's doing it. I just don't. And is she diddling the children? Because they then think that she's the monster? And I was like wait, is she doing? I don't get it.
Speaker 2:These kids did not react in a way that I would think that they were being molested.
Speaker 1:Okay, either do I, until that last scene where they're like you're a monster, you're a monster. When was she a monster? I don't get it.
Speaker 2:They made her do art. People don't like her. You're right about that, you're right about that. No, thanks everybody, I don't like her, you're right about that. People don't like Doreen, you're right about that. No thanks, everybody, I don't know, so then they come back and then she's like I saw this person. And then she explains him to Mrs Gross and she's all like, yeah, this Peter Quint.
Speaker 1:And then she's all like yeah, I know him exactly. I know him any day of the week.
Speaker 2:Why are you gaslighting me? I'm seeing a person I've never seen before.
Speaker 1:And I just described you so well that you knew exactly who it was. But you're just telling me I made this up. Doesn't make a lot of sense, does it, Dan? Doesn't make any sense. That's why my theory of her hiding the ghosts, Miss Gross, pretending they don't exist even though she knows they exist, is perfect. But that's not what we're doing here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we see some more of the art. There's bad guys in the art. Quint is in the art, mrs Jetzel's in the art.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, now we do a bunch of memories. We find out that Anna had problems in the park. It happened to me. She gives this speech. It happened to me. I have to protect the children. And then she says you love Quint. And she's like I did not love Quint, I love Mrs Jessel. So we're like, oh, lesbianism.
Speaker 1:Ooh, Wow, that's 2006. That probably was a little bit of you know whoa, I don't know. I don't remember that that's almost 20 years ago. I don't remember that. I don't remember anything.
Speaker 2:I don't remember anything either. It's nighttime. Flora's crying, okay. Next day kids are walking, anna follows them and there's sort of this spooky tree that she sort of like spooky trees area. She's obsessing on and we come back. These are intercut. Mrs Gross is fondling her violin and she strips down, puts on a robe and then does a crazy dance and then does a crazy dance, and then she pleasures herself.
Speaker 1:She does like a possessed by a ghost dance. She is spinning so fast in this room. I don't understand what's happening, but she is like spinning all over the place and just whipping her body around, and then she lays down and, you know, gets it on.
Speaker 2:And I was just like what Is this the?
Speaker 1:movie we've been watching. No, it's not the movie we've been watching, Dan. I don't know what's happening. I have no idea.
Speaker 2:Anna finally finds Flora. While all this is going on, miles boos her. Boo, he boos her. Yeah, he boos her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a good move. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2:And now Anna can see Quint and Jessel on the island.
Speaker 1:But they're just chilling.
Speaker 2:They're just chilling.
Speaker 1:They're not really doing it. So what's weird is she then starts being like they're coming for the children, they're coming for the children, they're coming for the children, but they haven't come for anyone. The only thing that's happened is they've kind of stood and watched Anna and then they whisper to Anna, come with me oh, is that what they're saying?
Speaker 2:Whenever there's whispering, I don't take that as dialogue.
Speaker 1:I had to turn on, and I'm against this generally. I had to turn on the subtitles because the first time it happened I was pretty sure she said something dirty. I thought she said do that in me. And I was like wait, wait, wait, what's going on? And then I turned on the subtitles. It says come with me. Whether they're right or not, I don't know, but that's what the subtitles told me. Do that in me. And I was like what?
Speaker 2:What's going on? Now? Here comes the crazy scene. Anna goes to a church, finds a priest and starts talking to her about ghosts and she's all like are they haunted or are they abused? Are the kids being haunted or have they been abused? And she's like both.
Speaker 1:I think yeah, bit of both, priest, bit of both, and real quickly, dan. The church is so cold. Did you notice this? We can see both of their breaths as they talk. This church is freezing cold and I don't know why, but it looks painful.
Speaker 2:We went for our morning walk today, and it's not super cold. Today it's going to get colder, no, but it's not warm. Today it's pretty cold. Last night, I wore my shirt, I wore my sweatshirt, I wore a jacket, I wore a wool hat and I wore gloves. Oh my God, I wore a jacket, I wore a wool hat and I wore gloves.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, I would have made fun of you so hard.
Speaker 2:I so didn't get cold this morning, it was so nice.
Speaker 1:Now you're dressing like you're in Minnesota, brother, all right, yep, I have shorts and a t-shirt all year long in LA, you're a monster. So boom, she goes out. She goes outside and is doing something.
Speaker 2:T-shirt all year long in LA. You're a monster. So boom, she goes out. She goes outside and is doing something. I don't remember what she was doing. Here comes the priest coming for her with a single rose.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean he was making his move on her. Is she just like have a magnet? That's like make your move on me?
Speaker 1:I'm ready for action. I don't know, man. I don't understand the message we're sending. It's inappropriate, but everyone is inappropriate to this girl. I don't get it. I don't know, I don't understand, but it's weird.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I know she's out at she's looking at the grave of Quint and Mrs Jessel buried together, yep.
Speaker 1:What Aren't they in love? Were they not in love?
Speaker 2:I don't remember how were they buried together. They're not married, you know, are you sure?
Speaker 1:I don't know. Isn't he the father of her unborn child?
Speaker 2:Well, I, mean it seems like in all these stories that he's impregnated Bert, but he's like a bad guy.
Speaker 1:Well, generally speaking, he's not a great guy.
Speaker 2:So he's not going to marry her.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, you're probably right, I don't know, but in this one she dies and then he hangs himself because he's so sad, right, I'm pretty sure, I guess so. What do they care about the kids? Why would they want to take the kids? Yeah, I don't have a clue. But not only that. Why is he such a crazy ghost? If he was just in love and killed himself, why is he all in the windows like Like? That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2:What kind of?
Speaker 1:ghost is that.
Speaker 2:Maybe he's trying to communicate something Like hey you're crazy.
Speaker 1:You better leave before you kill Miles. No, no.
Speaker 2:Maybe it's like a charades thing and he's got to do like crazy in love, you know, crazy in love, you know. So he's doing the three words movie. She missed the three words part. She wasn't paying attention. You got to pay attention.
Speaker 1:You got to pay attention to the beginning of charades or you're going to be lost forever. Man, it's tough.
Speaker 2:She goes back there, Mrs Gross is like this is not working out. She starts crying. Then Mrs Gross is like it's all right. And then Mrs Gross comes over and puts her hand on her head and she makes a move on.
Speaker 1:Then she puts her, she leads against her breast zone her bosom and they start making out, and then they, they start making out, and and then, as they're making out, she starts making this like face like it's really weird, like a detached I'm not into this sort of face, which I assume is the trauma, right, but I don't, I don't, I don't, it's weird, I don't know. Yeah, I don't get it.
Speaker 2:And then they're in bed together, sort of you can barely see anything. And then Anna's like getting out and she like takes her underwear with her or something. Yeah, that's what it seems like and with her or something. Yeah, that's what it seems like. Yeah, and I'm just like why are we showing her? Take her under like what? How is that a piece of information that?
Speaker 1:we need. Well, I thought I thought she was. I don't know. I thought she was gonna be like. I didn't want that to happen and you know it's bad, but it seems like she did want it. It seemed consensual. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, man.
Speaker 2:This is tough stuff. She gets out of bed, back in the halls Flora's, at the open window, miles is just like standing outside being weird. And then they're like go get him. And then they go out there and then they say that it was all a trick to get her, it was a joke to scare her To scare her or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have no idea. I don't get it. I don't know why they would do it. I don't know why the movie would do it. I don't know what you're trying to tell me right now. It also didn't really work. She wasn't like scared. You know when she was scared, when you were swinging that scythe, trying to reap your sister and steal her soul. That was scary. Do that one again. Do that one. Try that one again. That could work, but just standing there you're just being weird.
Speaker 2:So boom, the power is out. She's going to stay with Miles all night. Of course, she falls asleep on the job and then miles wakes up. He like peeps on her boobs. It's very weird. Then she wakes up and you're like did she notice that?
Speaker 1:we don't know it is. That is the question, because then she crawls on top of him. It's like I'll never let anything happen to you. And then she starts.
Speaker 2:Does she?
Speaker 1:She's like you have to tell me about what happened at school I don't.
Speaker 2:Oh, I guess maybe I don't know, I don't know, I do not know, because then she starts getting angry at him to tell about the school. Then she slaps him, she slaps him, and then he's like, leave me be. And then she starts crying.
Speaker 1:And she says something like I will never leave you be Something like that. And I was like, okay, that's weird. Yeah, man, I don't know, I don't get it, I don't understand it, I don't know if that's what they're saying or if she's really just trying to protect them, and then she goes crazy right, like I don't, I don't know, but regardless, if lily came to me in that robe and slapped me, I'm in tony, you always be in um.
Speaker 2:Flora is missing. They go to look for her. And then we have this weird voice, we have this great voiceover. It's the weirdest piece of voiceover because it doesn't fit. It just sort of floats in there and it's like Miles kept me occupied so Flora could escape.
Speaker 1:Now, when they say occupied, oh, occupied.
Speaker 2:What do you mean? 15 minutes of occupation?
Speaker 1:Remember Seven Minutes in Heaven. You ever play that game.
Speaker 2:That's a weird game, just played it last night by yourself. Who else? No as an adult.
Speaker 1:Seven Minutes in Heaven is when you lock yourself in a closet alone and just have peace and quiet for a while as a kid, it's a little different.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, we never played.
Speaker 1:We were. You know, I never played either, I was always jealous. Because you see it in the TV shows and you're like that would be a cool game of play. No one ever invited me. It's bullshit, I agree.
Speaker 2:So they go to the lake. There's Flora. She's sitting there Just chilling on a bench Having an asthma attack.
Speaker 1:Which seems like a pretty bad plan if this was their plan all along.
Speaker 2:I don't totally follow. I'm going to escape out to the lake and have an asthma attack. She just almost dies, that's cool and of course she starts seeing the ghosts and Mrs Gross takes Flora and says You're mad. Back home they gotta warm up. Flora Anna stays out in the woods and cries and Mrs Gross has to go Back into the woods to find her. And it's.
Speaker 1:It is weird crying man. I don't. I don't want to question her choices as an actor, but it is weird crying man. I don't. I don't want to question her choices as an actor. Yeah, but this is weird. It's weird. She's like wailing and I don't understand what's going on. I don't know why she's so upset. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know what's happening it's almost like you're saying I don't know, I don't know, I don't know a lot of times, tony I.
Speaker 1:You know what I have. I should get a t-shirt that just says I don't know for, because I don't understand this movie. One lick doesn't make any sense to me, dan. I was waiting for you to explain it to me. This one.
Speaker 2:I got nothing on this one, and meanwhile that sounds about right florist back home washing baby dolls, maybe drowning them.
Speaker 1:Maybe she's causing this I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. Maybe. Yeah, don't worry about it. We get back there Because she's definitely holding the doll under the water.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's drowning a doll, we get back there. They get her back, they get Anna back. Mrs Gross, let's make you up a bath. And then she's like, as you do, Flora's afraid of you. And then Anna's like she's setting a trap, they're dead. And then we just go back at her. They're dead, dead and gone. And they're like you need to leave. And then she's all like help me take a bath. And then she's like, no, and I'm just like.
Speaker 1:She's like I shouldn't, because I'm going to do some stuff that I shouldn't do. If I help you with that bath Pretty sure that's what's going on Now, Dan. Why is Flora afraid of Anna? What have we seen that makes her afraid of her? You're pointing at nothing. I'm just going to tell you that right now, you're pointing at nothing.
Speaker 2:I'm traversing the path from the house to the lake the lake back to the house and trying to think, when she was alone, that she could have done something terrible yeah, I don't know let's see boom, know, let's see boom.
Speaker 2:Flora screams in the night she's having a super as asthma attack. Miles takes off. And then we got to take Flora in the ambulance to the hospital. So mrs gross is gone and is gone. All we're left with is miles. I mean not as a miss. Gross is gone. Flora's gone. All we're left with is Miles. I mean not Anne. Mrs Gross is gone. Flora's gone. All we're left is Miles and the house. That's it. We're going to get to the end of the movie. We're not going to see any other characters ever again. It's just these two characters.
Speaker 1:Which is clearly what this movie's been all about the whole time, is it? No, that was sarcasm, you see, because this is, I don't understand. The whole movie was a red herring for this final scene to me.
Speaker 2:So she goes looking for Miles, finds him in the closet, then they go together and she locks them both in a bathroom.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then she's like I'll do anything for you. And she's like tell me everything, confess and I can save you. Then she hugs him and she's all like you're hurting me. You're hurting me. And she's like tell me the name of the ghost and then you'll be free.
Speaker 1:And he's like yeah, say his name and you'll be free.
Speaker 2:What it's, quint, and then she does a laughing, crazy, laugh, cry, and then she's like you're free, you're free, and I think he bites her he does something to get away.
Speaker 1:I wasn't, I was laughing too hard at this point to really understand what he did, but he did something so he could escape. Now, dan, what happened here? Why? What is what is the say his name and you'll be free type? Is that like a grief, like paradigm, like I don't, because this is not ghost lore, right, there's no ghost lore that says if you say his name, he'll go away. Let the anti-beetlejuice, if you will. So I don't understand. Where is this coming from? What is what is this?
Speaker 2:someone needs to tell me and it's like confession, confess me. And it's like confession, confess. You must confess what this is about religion. I don't know I just don't know what's happening as soon as if a thing is not a crime drama. Once you start talking about confession, that means we've shifted over to the larger religious questions. And children last I looked were pure right.
Speaker 1:Well, not these children, dan. These children, last I looked, were pure right. Well, not these children, dan. These children are evil. I don't know if you've been paying attention to the movie.
Speaker 2:There's some dirty birds. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:There's a line that you just reminded me of. When Flora's drowning the doll, she says, and I quote you're a dirty little girl, aren't you? And I'm sure it's not meant to be sexual. But I laughed so hard. It was very weird, because at some point this creepy guy that directed this movie I think he's a creep. I don't know, maybe he's a great guy and he's just making choices, but in my head I was like he improvised that line. He was like oh Floor, you know what you should say.
Speaker 2:Say you're a dirty little girl. Say it, say it. It was very weird.
Speaker 1:Now you're being you're being gross and I may want to think about this dude.
Speaker 2:Okay, let's finish the movie what I'm saying? It's weird man so they end up chasing out there. Um, oh wait, okay, this is the best part of the movie. She like goes and looks at the drawings, so she's sort of chasing him, but she ends up in a room with the drawings. Oh, he's under the bed maybe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's under the bed.
Speaker 2:I don't know how he gets out of. Whatever, it doesn't matter. She's looking at the drawings, and then there's this drawing of there's Anna yeah, her name is crossed out and it's written the monster or just monster and anna is causing the airplane with her parents to crash, right am I? Did I get that right? I mean?
Speaker 1:right is a relative term, but from what I understood, yeah, you nailed that on the head so the kid thinks that anna killed his parents I don't know. I mean, that's the drawing that we saw. But what is that? How? Why? Maybe she's Satan, you think so. Maybe she's. She's the devil, huh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's the devil, I don't know, and she's like, okay, let's go there, right, what does she do? She's a spirit of temptation that tempts people, sure, and they fall for it a lot.
Speaker 1:So Satan took her's like she's a spirit of temptation.
Speaker 2:That tempts people, sure, and they fall for it a lot satan took her over when she was a kid and she became satan. She let the devil in, so she's. She's there to tempt mrs gross. She's there to molest the children and then drive them crazy and kill them tick.
Speaker 1:I mean, she's doing a great job. She's knocking it out of the park is the devil. So there you go. Pretty good stuff, anna. So she chases miles sort of into the lake he goes into the lake and he just works his way down, shimmying down the tree in the water for some reason I don't know.
Speaker 2:He drowns and she's like you're safe with me, I'm the only one who knows.
Speaker 1:Now, what does she know? I don't know, and she keeps saying, like it'll be our secret, dan, what's happening?
Speaker 2:That's the end of the movie.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Well, the end of the movie is I don't know, but it's weird. Let's him drown. That's weird.
Speaker 2:Her face gets superimposed with her childhood face. Her face gets superimposed with her childhood face.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:That'll tell everybody what's going on?
Speaker 1:What the hell does that mean? What does that mean? Does that? I don't know, man, this movie's dumb and weird and boring.
Speaker 2:It's really Just for a movie with like lesbianism and sex and people playing the violin and then doing things you're just like People playing the violin. Love that it's just like atrociously boring.
Speaker 1:It don't make no sense either. It's super weird.
Speaker 2:At least there were a few jump scares. There was one jump scare in here which was very badly handled.
Speaker 1:There were no cool drum scenes though Swing and a miss, miss. I'm exhausted. Now you're exhausted, well, let me read you some reviews of this film.
Speaker 1:Damn, because it turns out, the defenders of this film are also creepy. That's what I've learned, and I'm not saying all of them are probably creepy, but I the two that I read were both like okay, you got some problems. You should probably get that looked at. So here's the first one that I found, which is nice and short, but just made me laugh really hard. Yada, yada, yada. Ellipses Now enter.
Speaker 2:Lili. Wait, they said yada, yada, yada, or they said a bunch of other bullshit that you don't care about.
Speaker 1:I'm just letting you know that they said other stuff before this ellipses. And then we're into it.
Speaker 2:So you're taking what they said completely out of context.
Speaker 1:Dan, just wait till you hear it. Okay, just hold the phone and then enter Lili Sobieski, who is the one and only reason to watch this confused effort. If you are a lesbian or a male who likes Lili Sobieski, then this movie's for you. What does that mean? Wait, what, what?
Speaker 2:does that mean? Why did balloons just shoot?
Speaker 1:up out of you. I don't know, did you see that? How did I do that? One, two, is that what I did? I?
Speaker 2:don't know what balloons. Balloons shot out of you. What the hell happened.
Speaker 1:Where were the balloons?
Speaker 2:Yeah, what balloons? Balloons shot out of you. What the?
Speaker 1:hell happened. Where are the balloons? I don't know.
Speaker 2:What do you mean? You don't know, I didn't do it. What do you mean? You didn't do it, it just chose to balloon you. Who chose to balloon you? I don't understand.
Speaker 1:I don't know if that's a Zencaster thing. I don't know what just happened. What did we do? We got ballooned. I just did all over again and nothing's working. You're talking about how much?
Speaker 2:you want to see Lili Sobieski?
Speaker 1:naked, not me, this reviewer, okay, but I just love. Because they said if you're a lesbian in general, any lesbian will love this movie. Or if you're a guy who likes Lili Sobieski, then you'll like this movie, but not if you're a guy that just likes other people. It doesn't make any sense. What a stupid thing to say. And I love it. Now, here's the good one. This one's a little longer, damn, but just bear with me, because it's it's wonderful. In a dark place is a widely overlooked and sorely underrated 2006 adaptation of henry james classic turn of this group. Not correct, by the way. It's not either of those things, and aside from earning four cleavers for so exquisitely displaying Miss Sobieski's ample bosom without so much as one arbitrary topless scene, it scores plentiful points for purveying all the goods of a grand gothic slash and bash A gorgeous alien-like female. What, no, I don't know what's happening did you do it again?
Speaker 2:no, you got a thumbs up when you did that. You got thumbs up again, your head just exploded fireworks.
Speaker 1:What is happening? I don't know where this is coming from, Dan, but I love it.
Speaker 2:What was that? Okay, four out of four cleavers for her cleavage. Is that because of a cleavage? Cleavers for cleavage.
Speaker 1:For exquisitely displaying her ample bosom. And then he goes on to say it's a classic, grand gothic slash and bash with a gorgeous alien-like female with no small semblance of complexity, A steamy yet classy lesbian tryst and, of course, two marvelous mammaries that act as scene stealers and in some way show acting of their own. What are you? What is? What kind of a review of the movie is that? He's basically just talking about her boobs.
Speaker 2:Well, this is the people that fall. That's in this movie. I mean, it's in the movie, but you're not you're like too much guy.
Speaker 1:I'm just going to tell you that right now You're getting the wrong message, and that's why I think this movie just gives me a weird vibe. I don't like it. I don't like it at all.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:Wow, give me something good. Come on, yeah, okay. So two thumbs up seems like fireworks. That's good to know. Fireworks out of your head. I gotta figure out where this is coming from. Yeah, you can't do it. Huh, I don't understand why. I'm trying to just do a little harder. Come on, dan, you can get it. I don't know. I don't know what's happening, but I love it.
Speaker 2:It's like a secret word. You didn't know it's even coming. Oh my god, what was the first thing that happened?
Speaker 1:um what happened oh, the balloons maybe because I pointed up, happy birthday say happy birthday, happy birthday nope. Two thumbs, two fingers up. Oh, I don't know where the no, I don't know where the balloons came from. I don't know nothing. I almost lost my mind.
Speaker 2:I'm like what is happening.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm just a magic man. This movie's terrible. This movie's really bad. And I listen. I don't want to be rude to Lili, but I don't feel like as much as I thought this movie was terrible and the script was bad, directing was bad. I didn't feel like she had the emotional range to also contend with what was happening on screen. But that's okay, that's all right I mean, yeah, now did she have a very tiny mouth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, she's got. She's got like a little fish mouth. It's real small for her face, but it's fine.
Speaker 2:It is what it is Good luck to her. Well, she's married to that dude and doesn't do anything anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the ex-fashion designer. From my understanding she quit acting to go into the art or something, pictures or something, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Maybe she's out there.
Speaker 1:She probably had, like a personal you know, meant something to her spot for her. Yeah, oof, okay, oh. Now I need to tell you my theory. Oh, what's your theory? Don't? So my theory? Dan, anna, this lady who loves art and loses her mind, sure, loves art and loses her mind, sure. Is indeed Kate's mother in the turning, and so then her daughter goes back to Bly and it turns out there may be Argos. So that's that's what I think. So I think they're. They're sequential.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and there was another, mr Mrs Jessalyn, another Quint and another pair of kids named Flora and Miles.
Speaker 1:Stranger things have happened. Maybe, they're all ghosts. That's why she can't leave. They're all dead. They all died. Okay, here's the theory. They all died back when Anna was there. Anna lost her mind, went to this insane asylum place. The daughter then went back to Bly because her mom probably sent her with the letter. Everybody there's ghosts. Everyone there's ghosts. There you go. I've solved all the movies.
Speaker 2:Everyone's ghosts. That's the solution to every movie.
Speaker 1:Everyone's ghosts. That's the easiest way to get out.
Speaker 2:Everyone's crazy and everyone's ghosts. There you go. Nothing means anything. That's the easiest way to get out.
Speaker 1:Everyone's crazy and everyone's ghosts. There you go, there you go. Nothing's real, don't worry about it. All right, I won't make you watch any more Turning of the Screw adaptations.
Speaker 2:I was almost going to make us do it a third time. I found a third one from 2006,.
Speaker 1:I think. Oh, okay, or 2004.
Speaker 2:I was like, let's do it again. And then I was like, no, I don't want to do it again, because I just can't do it. I can't do it anymore. It's just not a story that people should be allowed to do unless they actually have something to say.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I rewatched this week. I'm getting ahead of myself, never mind.
Speaker 2:Something we liked this week. I started Fallout.
Speaker 1:Yes, what's his name? Okie dokie.
Speaker 2:What's his name? Who's the dude that's playing the ghoul guy?
Speaker 1:Walton Goggins or something like that. He is loving his life so much he just he's having so much fun, he's having the most fun with being this character throughout his.
Speaker 2:I don't think I've ever seen anybody act a character as much as he is acting this character, and it's just like it's like let's I mean the girl's good too. The dude that's playing the suit. Did you watch it?
Speaker 1:oh yeah, yeah, not all the way, we're only uh two, two in yeah, I'm only two in.
Speaker 1:The other guy that's playing the suit guy, whatever um yeah but gargans jesus christ well when, when it was first announced, everyone was like, yep, no, that's, that's perfect casting and it turns out it is, and he is. He's wonderful and I, I'm, I'm loving the show. I'm having a good time because I'm a huge fan of the games, so seeing this like the stim packs were just picture perfect. That's like the health pack that she injects herself with. It's just beautiful. It's a faithful adaptation, without actually like stealing any of the storylines from the games. It's wonderful. I'm having a great time. Don't say that, tony.
Speaker 2:It's not faithful. What they ruined Las Vegas, so I'd be prepared, oh no, okay. So the Las Vegas of the games is not in this, and it's a travesty.
Speaker 1:Do you like Fallout New Vegas?
Speaker 2:I just read some of the reviews. All the one-star reviews are like they ruined Vegas.
Speaker 1:How can I?
Speaker 2:live my life. If they ruined Vegas, I will never buy another one of their games because of Vegas.
Speaker 1:It's a TV.
Speaker 2:It's a stupid TV show. Why?
Speaker 1:It's a new story in the universe. It's not like a continuation of any of the games guys. It's an original story. Get over yourselves.
Speaker 2:Do all the games really connect together perfectly?
Speaker 1:No, Of course not. Otherwise it wouldn't make any sense. You can't have this. No, no, of course not. Otherwise it wouldn't make any sense, you can't have this.
Speaker 2:No, no, and there was one guy that was like they went from point X to point Z in too little amount of time. That should have taken.
Speaker 1:You're just like stop, just stop, just watch the show, guys. Listen, I'm loving it. I'm having a great time. Yeah, although New Vegas is a great game, it's a wonderful game, but it's not this show.
Speaker 2:And that's the thing. You can't judge a show. There are a bunch of coincidences in these two episodes where you're just like how are? All these people getting in the exact same spot at the exact same time. That doesn't make any sense, but you just have to let all that stuff go.
Speaker 1:You're just having a good time.
Speaker 2:Enjoy the silly world that they've created.
Speaker 1:Yeah Amen, enjoy the silly world that they've created. Yeah, amen, okay, tony, what are you going to talk about? Well, that was one of mine, obviously as well. But then the other was we rewatched the Haunting of Bly Manor, I remembered. After we finished I was like, oh, that's right. I said I would never watch this show again because it affects me so deeply on an emotional level, like I cried Listen, I don't cry, okay, but if I did cry I would have cried for like two hours that night and it was brutal on the finale, like it's so emotional, it's such a beautiful show and it's it's hard to watch that and then watch these stupid things. Cause, just like, nah, like this guy understands how to tell a tale. He knows how to tell a story yeah so yeah.
Speaker 2:So I was going to make us watch another one, but I'm not going to do that. As much as I hate us, I don't hate us that much well, you don't hate yourself that much.
Speaker 1:If it was just me that had to watch it, I think you would have done it.
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely and I'd written down a couple of remakes that I was thinking about and I was like, oh, let's do one of these remakes. And then I looked it up Robocop the remake it's not supposed to be that bad.
Speaker 1:So I was like yeah, no, I saw that in theaters. We had a good time. Keaton's in that. He's great.
Speaker 2:I love him, so I crossed that off my list, sadly. All right, so then I was like do we want action?
Speaker 1:Tony.
Speaker 2:You gotta, let you decide.
Speaker 1:I get to choose.
Speaker 2:I've got action adventure and I got comedy.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, we just did Bucky Larson and that's such a good comedy that I think we should lean towards action-adventure for next week.
Speaker 2:Action-adventure we're gonna saddle up with Keanu Reeves and deal with 47 Ronin, oh, okay.
Speaker 1:I've never seen this movie. I'm ready, I'm very excited. I love a good Keanu. We haven't seen him since. What Replicas I'm ready.
Speaker 2:I was looking at that and I was like what is this movie Replicas, you know? Because I had it on my list and I was like, was it crossed off? And I was like, did we do that one? And then I was like one was, oh, we did it we just created a whole new family, except one of the children, in two days.
Speaker 1:Oh we'll make that other job later. No one's really that bad about it. It's okay, it's fine, we didn't need that one anyhow reprogram everybody to forget that child.
Speaker 2:You're like wait a second. What?
Speaker 1:happened? What did you make you're?
Speaker 2:gonna do what wasn't? It isn't that what they did? They forgot one of their children.
Speaker 1:It's a hundred percent. Yeah, he like deleted the code from their brain so that they wouldn't remember that that child existed.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's so terrible.
Speaker 1:So stupid, pretty good stuff Pretty good, but all right, 47 Ronin, 47 Ronin. You know it, baby.
Speaker 2:And yeah, so we'll be back next week. If you like what you see, give us a comment, leave us a like, even subscribe if you're so inclined Way too late leave us a like, even subscribe if you're so inclined.
Speaker 1:Way too late we got a bunch of views on the madam web one. I don't did pretty well, sure, because if we do something current and people want to see it, yeah, they're gonna click on it. Who knows, did we get any comments? Anybody yell at us? All right, we should do something that people like soon again and just make fun of them like we did with.
Speaker 2:Uh, please don't destroy oh the Please Don't Destroy people so sad. People love it. Yeah, I watched. They were on Mike Birbiglia. Did I already talk about that? No, you didn't. Yeah, I watched most of their interview on the Mike Birbiglia show. Okay, you know they're not that funny for guys. Sure sure, well, what are you?
Speaker 1:going to do there's time? Well, there's time. What are you gonna do there's time? There's time. You're still young. You can get there, grow and be like, do the best work later, not if people keep letting them make movies like the legend of foggy mountain or whatever. They had a joke in it, they had lots of jokes in it, they just weren't't funny jokes. Hey, that's a start, though. It's a start, you're right. Good for you. Good for you. Positivity around. I love it.
Speaker 2:So maybe we'll see you next week. If we don't, then we'll see you some other time, that's not next week 47 Ronin Goodbye everybody.
Speaker 1:Watch it with Dan and Tony. Hey, watch it with Dan and Tony. It's like watching yeah.